[M][N] I Still Can't Believe it's not Themed Mafia - Page 24

On June 05 2015 20:40 boxerfred wrote:

No thought on you or fecal thus far

On yamato? Given that he lurks, only to make a vote on me, only to leave another short, lurky comment? Yeah could very well be. That's not too solid however. I tend to no-vote currently.

On June 06 2015 10:52 justanothertownie wrote:
Going to bed. Anyone who is even considering not lynching Artanis has to explain all this:

First of all you have to explain why NaCl is scum because there is no way there are 2 protective roles in a 10 vs 3 setup with 1 mafia KP and normal roles but EVEN IF THAT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU ON ITS OWN and you think for some reason it is possible to have a JK AND a doctor in the same game:

The situation is the following - you are Artanis a pretty good and experienced town player and you happened to role JK. Halfway into day1 nothing much happened so far and all of a sudden marvellosity who you townread and who you think is a really good player is attacking and voting you. You played a lot of games together. Do you either try to convince him that you are town/play the game or immediately feel the need to claim?
The answer is even if Artanis thinks he will potentially get lynched he will never claim his really powerful role without trying to avert the lynch otherwise before (and his stats show that he is really good at not being mislynched).

On the other hand if you are scum Artanis then you might think to yourself - "I will probably not be able to avoid being lynched" for whatever reason (maybe because town marvellosity set his sights on you). Artanis had some really weak scumgames. In THAT CASE claiming JK is pretty good. If noone counterclaims you will survive AT LEAST a day and be able to push an agenda. If you get counterclaimed you outed a really important role (if scum has a vigi getting rid of our protective role basically means they need one less mislynch for example) and in the worst case you just still get lynched. Maybe you even survive because people are idiots.

So town Artanis obviously did not claim because of being afraid. So why would he?
Artanis says he claimed because he thought he was outed by a dumb breadcrumb (which I think is HIGHLY unbelievable itself) he did which marv put emphasis on. So what do you do in this situation?
The answer is you never ever ever claim right away. What does town get from your outing? Nothing. If you think you absolutely need to claim for whatever reason you can still claim during the end of the night to avoid getting shot if scum happen to not know about you. By claiming you are destroying any chance of them not knowing for no real benefit.

If Artanis is town he acted incredibly stupid to a degree that is absolutely insane. I refuse to believe this and that he would not put any thought in how to play as one of towns most important and strong roles. The likelihood of him being mafia is much much higher. Add to this the claim by NaCl and we will absolutely lynch Artanis today.

On June 06 2015 19:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Okay has anyone said anything new? I'm tired of reading 8 pages of people calling my play terrible. I'm aware of it. Sometimes townies do terrible things. It happens.

On June 06 2015 20:05 justanothertownie wrote:

You are getting lynched. If you are town and did terrible things I would expect you to have no problem with putting in an effort to prevent this ir at least try to solce the game/leave a legacy before. Instead you don't even seem willing to analyse the people pushing on you or to even read the thread. Die, scum.

On June 06 2015 19:56 marvellosity wrote:
Mig: the context is all in my posts, my patience levels are even lower than what they used to be, I have nothing further to add

what jat wrote is honestly quite convincing about artanis, probably because i kinda believe it myself. still, it's possibly a risky play i guess just to randomly claim when you could talk yourself out of it? still can't decide firmly

like i said last night, I find the idea that I found artanis, it happened to contain the word lock, and he made the best of it not unlikely

that said, my vote is probably on mafia with fuba anyway.

soooo......

Actually i went back and read what jat wrote again, still pretty convinced. i'd lynch either.

On June 06 2015 20:02 justanothertownie wrote:

Yes, fuba is probably scum too but it is far less certain.

On June 06 2015 20:14 marvellosity wrote:

not necessarily sure that's true

i'd at least like to see what artanis manages today