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Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
On June 06 2015 10:00 VayneAuthority wrote: i think mig is still a good lynch tbh, all this confirmed is that the guy is town and giving a genuine opinion on mig. what does 'this' refer to in your post? The whole claim business? | ||
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justanothertownie
16322 Posts
First of all you have to explain why NaCl is scum because there is no way there are 2 protective roles in a 10 vs 3 setup with 1 mafia KP and normal roles but EVEN IF THAT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU ON ITS OWN and you think for some reason it is possible to have a JK AND a doctor in the same game: The situation is the following - you are Artanis a pretty good and experienced town player and you happened to role JK. Halfway into day1 nothing much happened so far and all of a sudden marvellosity who you townread and who you think is a really good player is attacking and voting you. You played a lot of games together. Do you either try to convince him that you are town/play the game or immediately feel the need to claim? The answer is even if Artanis thinks he will potentially get lynched he will never claim his really powerful role without trying to avert the lynch otherwise before (and his stats show that he is really good at not being mislynched). On the other hand if you are scum Artanis then you might think to yourself - "I will probably not be able to avoid being lynched" for whatever reason (maybe because town marvellosity set his sights on you). Artanis had some really weak scumgames. In THAT CASE claiming JK is pretty good. If noone counterclaims you will survive AT LEAST a day and be able to push an agenda. If you get counterclaimed you outed a really important role (if scum has a vigi getting rid of our protective role basically means they need one less mislynch for example) and in the worst case you just still get lynched. Maybe you even survive because people are idiots. So town Artanis obviously did not claim because of being afraid. So why would he? Artanis says he claimed because he thought he was outed by a dumb breadcrumb (which I think is HIGHLY unbelievable itself) he did which marv put emphasis on. So what do you do in this situation? The answer is you never ever ever claim right away. What does town get from your outing? Nothing. If you think you absolutely need to claim for whatever reason you can still claim during the end of the night to avoid getting shot if scum happen to not know about you. By claiming you are destroying any chance of them not knowing for no real benefit. If Artanis is town he acted incredibly stupid to a degree that is absolutely insane. I refuse to believe this and that he would not put any thought in how to play as one of towns most important and strong roles. The likelihood of him being mafia is much much higher. Add to this the claim by NaCl and we will absolutely lynch Artanis today. | ||
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prplhz
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justanothertownie
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justanothertownie
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On June 06 2015 10:56 prplhz wrote: one thing to remember is that this game features notifications so artanis can jail someone and they'll get notified of this. Yes, and scum might have a roleblocker so it would not confirm anything. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On June 06 2015 10:57 justanothertownie wrote: Yes, and scum might have a roleblocker so it would not confirm anything. yea or he could just claim roleblocked | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
I am torn between you and Marv. I think Marv is brilliant. However, I actually respect your uncanny form of wisdom more I must know Well, more. Na Cl'y Are you on Smashboards as a Major nutrient, that is similarly related to your current state as a phytotoxin? I question your familiarity here. This could be critical, K? Thanks. By the way, if I am right, welcome. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On June 06 2015 10:52 justanothertownie wrote: Going to bed. Anyone who is even considering not lynching Artanis has to explain all this: First of all you have to explain why NaCl is scum because there is no way there are 2 protective roles in a 10 vs 3 setup with 1 mafia KP and normal roles but EVEN IF THAT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU ON ITS OWN and you think for some reason it is possible to have a JK AND a doctor in the same game: The situation is the following - you are Artanis a pretty good and experienced town player and you happened to role JK. Halfway into day1 nothing much happened so far and all of a sudden marvellosity who you townread and who you think is a really good player is attacking and voting you. You played a lot of games together. Do you either try to convince him that you are town/play the game or immediately feel the need to claim? The answer is even if Artanis thinks he will potentially get lynched he will never claim his really powerful role without trying to avert the lynch otherwise before (and his stats show that he is really good at not being mislynched). On the other hand if you are scum Artanis then you might think to yourself - "I will probably not be able to avoid being lynched" for whatever reason (maybe because town marvellosity set his sights on you). Artanis had some really weak scumgames. In THAT CASE claiming JK is pretty good. If noone counterclaims you will survive AT LEAST a day and be able to push an agenda. If you get counterclaimed you outed a really important role (if scum has a vigi getting rid of our protective role basically means they need one less mislynch for example) and in the worst case you just still get lynched. Maybe you even survive because people are idiots. So town Artanis obviously did not claim because of being afraid. So why would he? Artanis says he claimed because he thought he was outed by a dumb breadcrumb (which I think is HIGHLY unbelievable itself) he did which marv put emphasis on. So what do you do in this situation? The answer is you never ever ever claim right away. What does town get from your outing? Nothing. If you think you absolutely need to claim for whatever reason you can still claim during the end of the night to avoid getting shot if scum happen to not know about you. By claiming you are destroying any chance of them not knowing for no real benefit. If Artanis is town he acted incredibly stupid to a degree that is absolutely insane. I refuse to believe this and that he would not put any thought in how to play as one of towns most important and strong roles. The likelihood of him being mafia is much much higher. Add to this the claim by NaCl and we will absolutely lynch Artanis today. I don't have to explain shit to you I do as I damn well please By the way, Fuba it's true here too- where you at mufasa | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
For some reason I see the title of this game and think | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On June 06 2015 09:44 marvellosity wrote: mm, i dunno what to think about it right now. i'll sleep on it and think about it tomorrow I am actually really glad you are doing this. I am going to await Marv's further word on this business and then chezinu's, then I will see what I can do. | ||
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
Day 1 Current Vote Count Fecalfeast: 2 Fecalfeast Chezinu Chezinu: 1 prplhz boxerfred: 1 yamato77 yamato77: 1 boxerfred Artanis[Xp]: 2 NaCl`y justanothertownie fuba: 1 Marvellosity Not voting: 5 Alakaslam Artanis[Xp] fuba VayneAuthority Mig If I missed anything or got something wrong, let me know. + Show Spoiler [Vote Actions] + NaCl`y - > Mig Artanis[Xp] - > Marvellosity Chezinu - > Mig Fecalfeast- > Fecalfeast Alakaslam - > Mig prplhz - > Chezinu yamato77 - > boxerfred boxerfred - > yamato77 marvellosity - > Artanis[Xp] Alakaslam -> NONE Artanis[Xp] -> FF Artanis[Xp] -> None marvellosity -> fuba NaCl'y -> Artanis[Xp] justanothertownie -> Artanis[Xp] Chezinu -> FecalFeast Day ends in | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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Chezinu
United States7464 Posts
On June 06 2015 00:14 Alakaslam wrote: Marv has said what I was thinking, in some weird wordless slam sort of way. ##Unvote It's not vote worthy. However  Chezinu Why do you ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/mirror/smilies/worshippy.gif) to me? Don't you know that there is only one that is worthy? Don't ya know the true ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/mirror/smilies/koning.gif) ?Like everbodies knows it ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/mirror/smilies/smile.gif) | ||
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fuba
United States663 Posts
First, regarding the claims... I can't find a reason to really disbelieve NaCl's claim. Was at least leaning town on him before it (mostly because of the case that people seem to agree seems accurate, though I haven't had the time to look into mig's previous games myself). That being said, I can't really decide what to make of Artanis's claim. My instinct is to believe him, though that instinct has bitten me in the ass before. Like prplhz said, his story does have a consistency to it that leads me to believe he's telling the truth. The fact that prplhz's view suddenly seemed to flip on the subject makes me... uncomfortable. On June 05 2015 20:40 boxerfred wrote: No thought on you or fecal thus far On yamato? Given that he lurks, only to make a vote on me, only to leave another short, lurky comment? Yeah could very well be. That's not too solid however. I tend to no-vote currently. I think I'd prefer to lynch this guy. Gives reasons to see yamato as scummy>says yamato could be scummy>backs off on it>prefers no-lynch over guy he thinks could be scum. I mean, I understand wishy-washiness better than anyone, but he definitely seems to just be coasting by. Like... if he'd really given enough thought to preferring a no-lynch over a yamato lynch, why didn't he then switch his vote? He seems to just be saying things to say things, giving the appearance of participation, and disappearing. ##Vote boxerfred Gotta get some sleep, but I'll get up an hour or two early to read/talk. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On June 06 2015 15:59 fuba wrote: Sorry, I was really out of it today. First, regarding the claims... I can't find a reason to really disbelieve NaCl's claim. Was at least leaning town on him before it (mostly because of the case that people seem to agree seems accurate, though I haven't had the time to look into mig's previous games myself). That being said, I can't really decide what to make of Artanis's claim. My instinct is to believe him, though that instinct has bitten me in the ass before. Like prplhz said, his story does have a consistency to it that leads me to believe he's telling the truth. The fact that prplhz's view suddenly seemed to flip on the subject makes me... uncomfortable. I think I'd prefer to lynch this guy. Gives reasons to see yamato as scummy>says yamato could be scummy>backs off on it>prefers no-lynch over guy he thinks could be scum. I mean, I understand wishy-washiness better than anyone, but he definitely seems to just be coasting by. Like... if he'd really given enough thought to preferring a no-lynch over a yamato lynch, why didn't he then switch his vote? He seems to just be saying things to say things, giving the appearance of participation, and disappearing. ##Vote boxerfred Gotta get some sleep, but I'll get up an hour or two early to read/talk. Sure, there's a town narrative that fits for Artanis[Xp] but not if you consider that he's Artanis[Xp]. Artanis[Xp] hasn't been lynched in like 15 town games. Survived or night killed every single one of them. Is that because he pulls shit like this as town? Or is it because his town is extremely solid and he can rely on just playing normally to not get lynched? How do you reconcile Artanis[Xp]'s meta of never getting lynched as town with his behavior this game? Do you think this is the behavior of someone who never gets lynched? | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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Mig
United States4714 Posts
marv/yam interaction looks a little forced to me. Marv has to have played with yam 50 times by now. Yam is like this every game, the marv blow up seems overly emotional. I have seen marv blow up before but this seemed a bit much considering yam was just being his usual yam self. Just something to keep in mind. Feast/artanis interaction - If either of artanis/feast are scum it is very unlikely that the other is also. The claim/counter claim/ artanis vote feast stuff is too random. Just a weird/unlikely series of interactions if the scum team planned out an artanis fake claim. I honestly have no idea if having 2 protection roles would be OP for town or not. If mafia has a rber it doesn't seem that outlandish to me. That being said I am fine with lynching artanis. I read through Noir mini mafia that he just played and I actually think artanis played well that game. Day1 of that game was about as useless as this day1 has been and he still managed to actually post some useful thoughts. So far today he has posted a paragraph on being a little suspicious of JTA and that's it. Along with that his story for why he claimed is meh. Alternating between claiming because he was bored and because marv mentioned his line with the word lock in it. It was fairly clear that marv wasn't even saying that it was a bread crumb just that artanis was giving superfluous commentary. Assuming that mafia would have figured out he was JK from that is retarded. Seems more likely that artanis is bsing. On June 06 2015 07:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also as scum if this had happened I'd know I'd have been caught and just afk for the rest of the day. Self-meta and all but it's probably accurate. Kind of funny he said this, made a few more posts then disappeared for the rest of the day as well. Artanis if you are town give your reads, make a case etc. | ||
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