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On June 11 2015 03:22 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 03:20 Half the Sky wrote:On June 11 2015 03:18 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 03:16 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 11 2015 03:14 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 03:13 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 11 2015 03:11 Half the Sky wrote:On June 11 2015 03:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
I don't think he's actually suspicious of me. Seems like everyone is just keeping me on the backburner as usual He's called you a lurker at least, what, three times now? Or useless or however he's phrasing it? As the only lurker in this game, oh wait... So what if there are other lurkers? The argument "but those other guys are as guilty as me" is something that mafia makes all the fucking time. And who are you even talking about? fuba mig Va off the top of my head. I said my part about mig and fuba/VA are known lurkers who do it every single game regardless of alignment. So your argument is invalid. Alright JAT, so then (based on my previous question) am I correct here in saying that your primary argument against FF is his lurkiness? I don't know if it is the primary argument. Primary would be that he just is not towny/I can't remember even a single good thing he said. The only thing I remember is what other people said ABOUT him and his willingness to shenannie for no reason.
THIS is by far and large still wholly accurate.
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On June 14 2015 06:49 Mig wrote:
Vayne's reaction is a bit weird to me. If he thinks I am mafia I would normally expect him to come out stronger against me after I call him scummy, mention something at least about how I am trying to set up a mislynch on him, etc. Instead he weakly just defends himself and admits he looks bad. Lacks the confidence I would expect to see from a care free vayne.
On the flip side it is a weird spot for him to be hard defending boxer if they were both mafia. So I guess lynch boxer and reevaluate.
His "someone active is mafia" comment was also weird. If I am not mistaken he poed it down to nacl, me and you which considering the fact that there are 2 mafia left is pretty narrow. But he did not dare to say that he really scumreads nacl or me.
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On June 14 2015 07:50 prplhz wrote:
i'm sort of having second thoughts about jat though because this whole thing is not turning out the way i had hoped it would. i think i need to rethink everything. his d1 looked townie enough just on the activity side and how marv read him but marv was sort of lazy this game and even he can also be fooled sometimes. what worries me the most is how he's waited every day before voting, like he didn't commit to anything. at the same time he's trying to take credit for things that isn't him at all. like the fuba lynch wasn't him at all but he tried to make it sound like he had anything to do with it, you know? i don't know if this delusion of grandeur is fo realz or if he's just fucking around.
nacl town though lol. just that d1 case on yam.
What are you even talking about? Waiting before I vote is what I do every fucking game. When did I try to take undeserved credit for the fuba lynch and what kind of credit would I even expect as mafia for lynching a townie?
If nacl is HF which is not unlikely then making the case on yamato day1 means jackshit. If that's the case then let's just pray that he dies asap because if he lives through 2 more nights he is probably mafia.
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On June 14 2015 07:55 Mig wrote:
If one of boxer/vayne is not mafia this is going to get dicey.
Also it pains me to say this because I really want jat to be mafia after hes shit on me this entire game but feeling way less certain about it.
1) claiming mafia killed marv because he gave an air tight reason for marv to be town. His reason was definitely not air tight but it was such a townie reaction. Townies love to congratulate themselves for things like this even if it didnt influence the mafia.
2) even though my plan around last lynch was bad for town he read that my intentions were to help (at least I assume this is what he meant when he said it makes me look townier). This does nothing to help mafia and it would have been an easy spot to call me scummy which nac/vayne did.
1) It was absolutely airtight and marv himself even sad so.
2) That was more or less it, yes.
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On June 14 2015 07:56 prplhz wrote:
i don't know what jat's allegedly air tight reason for marv town was but i doubt it was air tight in the mind of anyone but jat
Happens when you do not read. Just sayin.
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On June 14 2015 08:05 VayneAuthority wrote:
##vote mig
Nothing else to say?
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On June 14 2015 08:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
not particularly. Although if salty wasn't actually a blue then I wonder what our 2nd role is. Probably nothing very useful if they havent claimed anything by now
What do you mean "wasn't actually a blue"? Did you have reason to assume he was blue? And why do you think we have a second role?
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This is how I see it: It is a 10 vs 3 game. That is more or less balanced even without roles. We had a JK which is a stupidly strong role in a mini. Scum does not seem to have a rber because someone would have claimed rb by now and I don't know what role they would have besides that that can go against a JK. I see no reason to assume that we have another blue.
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On June 14 2015 14:11 Mig wrote:
JAT I would like to hear who you think the final 2 mafia are as well please.
Same as FF- I did not reevaluate anything/read filters yet.
I agree that we are lynching boxerfred today. The second one should be one of VA/Mig/FF. It's not clear who. Maybe not FF because NaCl seemed to feel strongly about him being town and I will respect his reads now that he is confirmed town but I will not rule it out.
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On June 14 2015 22:40 Half the Sky wrote:JAT's townread me nearly the whole time, if not the whole time, and FF he has previously pushed for being lurky but he was at the bottom of the potential mafia pile, though both Salty and I have disputed the lurkiness, I felt it was not alignment indicative after looking games up in the database. At some point I believe he's scumread everyone else.
I don't remember pushing prplhz either.
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I never called FF scum I just disputed the townreads on him. I never pushed marv. I never pushed salty. The only reason I pushed Artanis was the cc.
And even if I had pushed everyone at some point - so what? That's not exactly what scum wants to do. So what is your point bf?
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On June 15 2015 03:13 Half the Sky wrote:
One potential thing I could have missed:
Mig - was JAT actually present when the marv/yam stuff was going on? Or did that happen whilst he was afk? Maybe I have to read yet again (JAT’s long filter is tenuous lol) but if it happened before the counterclaim (or even after Artanis' initial claim) it would fall in line with JAT being so predominated by the whole Artanis thing he couldn’t comment or felt an honest need not to prioritise it.
If it happened before Artanis's initial claim then you might have a valid point here. I know the scumread on marv was concurrent with the whole Artanis situation, given the reason but...
What yam/marv stuff are you talking about exactly and why should I have cared about it at all?
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I assume you are talking about the stuff were yamato said marv is more dickish as mafia. I really don't know why you would expect me to give a shit about that. It is obviously completely wrong but town yamato can be wrong and at that point he was at least actively discussing stuff which is something he rarely does as mafia and of course it stopped right after the claim shennanigans. And yes, it was right before the cc and I might have been afk (don't really remember) but I remember coming back to the cc and starting the whole Artanis train.
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On June 15 2015 07:55 VayneAuthority wrote:
im pretty sure we are all town guys, the answer is to no lynch and unlock the secret victory. honestly i got nothing this game. everyone at some point has given me a pretty good reason to read them as town,
##vote justanothertownie yolo
This from a guy that is usually really proud of his reads at least does not sound very believable. I do not understand the reasoning either. People being too towny is certainly NOT the problem with this game.
I kinda like FFs recent posts.
I am still waiting for dat incredible bf list.
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Ok, I probably won't really have time to play this game today. But fortunately I can't see any world in which we aren't lynching bf anyways. I will maybe look in here on my cell phone from time to time in case something big happens but that will be about it. I will put in some effort during the night though because I am likely the next nightkill regardless of boxerfreds flip.
##Vote: boxerfred
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On June 16 2015 04:15 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 04:05 boxerfred wrote:On June 16 2015 03:42 Half the Sky wrote:
When you have the time, can you explain why you voted fuba yesterday (the votes only got closer I believe after you AFKed)? I had almost no time to read so I voted off of a feeling to not get modkilled. I gut-felt that fuba was under pressure and decided that my vote would not get him killed, thus it'd be safe to put pressure on him too without actually killing him. I don't understand the logic here. You could have voted for anyone so that you would not get modkilled. How does fuba - or anyone - being under pressure - alone, make them scum? There are things such as pressure votes, but pressure votes generally have a purpose. So let me ask you this - putting into context your lack of time - if you had had the time to re-evaluate, what would (you have wanted) your vote on fuba to achieve?
The bolded is actually total bullshit. Fuba was clearly the only other player that could be lynched realistically and bf tries to sell that he voted him because he wasn't likely to die. Complete and utter bullshit.
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On June 16 2015 06:42 Mig wrote:
gotta take a shower, will be back in 20.
JAT/fancy feast really not going to give any opinions 1hr before lynch?
I told you I wouldn't have time today. Sitting in a train half drunk. Maybe I will be home before deadline to discuss but your defense of bf sounds like too scummy to be scum which is a bad argument.
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On June 16 2015 06:50 Half the Sky wrote:
Do I think VA is a better lynch? Well one thing that made me wonder is how he has been hard defending boxer.
What makes it potentially scum trait is that several things have been happening over the course of the game with boxer, and that read has been completely static with new information. If boxer is actually indeed town, VA actually could be mafia. I broached the idea of TMI with him, which becomes glaringly obvious given all the scum behaviour that's been weighted against him. So it raises the question why (aside from the JAT/BF argument that VA commented on as being town on town) or what else or what changes make him think he's town.
I agree that if bf is town this looks like tmi. But I just can't see how bf can be town.
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