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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
I've said all I want on this for now, I want to hear from others. | ||
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FreezingFoot
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On June 08 2015 13:54 wherebugsgo wrote: It's not beneficial because the town smurf can avoid a night kill. It's only beneficial when that townie actually does something, which is usually the case when they are good. Which is why I told you, if that's the case (and you would know!) you certainly don't have to reveal yourself. Your failure to recognize this point is now really damning. I have pointed it out multiple times, yet you are completely fixated on cherry picking my posts. I have invited you to provide scumreads, and invited you to answer many questions that could prove without a shadow of a doubt that you are indeed town, but repeatedly you have failed to do so. If I were scum I would shoot the person with the best reads. It's clearly not you, because you're scum. It wouldn't matter if I'm talking to Foolishness in this game (and you're certainly not him) because your logic and your behaviour is unexplainable from a town perspective. You selectively cherry pick my posts in a way that paints you in the best light, and you repeatedly attempt to undermine my arguments by calling them bad without a shred of evidence backing you up. I'm going to stop crapping up the thread with you directly now, since it's probably just going to continue to scare people off from posting...although I don't really like how slow everyone is to come in and get involved. Again, to everyone in the game: PLEASE contribute, because we need a valid and diverse set of good perspectives to win this game of elimination. Your first paragraph is full of shit. If it was really your thought process, you wouldn't be trying to gather votes on me behind a policy. I can't do much in 6 hours of game and something like 6 pages on thread 90% of it is you saying nonsensical, WIFOMy stuff about smurfing. I'm not cherry picking, I'm stating clear sentences in which I reveal how your reads are fabricated / forced. I've just stated mafia priority is survivability so your argument of being about to be lynched and not revealing your identity is stupid. A lot of players die night 1 even if they have wrong reads because they have this good player status, while a lot of people that have good reads stay alive because they can't get people lynches because they have this bad player status. You know that or you wouldn't talk about the NK dodge thing a smurf can have. So, you're contraticting yourself right now just to fit your scumread on me properly. I've just brought new information in the thread: I said I willingly refused to shut down your arguments to give you more space so I could have more information to work regarding you, I revealed how your not-revealing-identity thing doesn't fit scum perspective, and I've already showed that aggressiveness isn't a reliable town tell. What do you think of these stuff? | ||
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FreezingFoot
457 Posts
On June 08 2015 14:04 wherebugsgo wrote: You think his points are valid?? looool He claims he's not "omgusing" even though he more or less called me scum immediately after I voted him. This is not to "give me space". To me it looks like he's just very self-aware of his image. That's not very common among townies. LOL I'm really trying to take a step back to further analyse you but you keep posting shit like this. Are you sicklucker with improved English? | ||
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FreezingFoot
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FreezingFoot
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On June 08 2015 13:50 Breshke wrote: Yeah because it is really realistic to think that I as scum would think voting for someone giving no reasoning would make me look better than the person who spearheads the lynch. I'm bad but i'm not retarded. Your right i didn't really help much at all with the pressure no denying that. + Show Spoiler + On June 08 2015 13:22 FreezingFoot wrote: No. I wanted him to explain why not telling my identity when being voted is a scum behaviour. I've pointed it out repeatedly so he could reveal his thought process. After inquiring three times, bugs just calls me scum and asks me to explain something HE is supposed to explain. You know why? Because he has no thought process. He simply went behind a policy lynch and tried to justify it by saying that not revealing my identity while being up to the lynch is scummy, something YOU should KNOW by now that his is the most nonsensical conclusion to it. You aren't a newbie anymore and you know that a method of scum hunting is to see who is trying more to survive than to catch scum. If you have a player that will only survive if he reveals his identity, a scum will be much more eager to blow his smurf than keeping his identity a secret. I just kept not voting and not defending myself to see how bugs thought process would be in the thread and to see how his thought process would develop. I just showed all of you he has no thought process (in other words, his read is fabricated) when he failed to explain WHY not blowing my smurf would be scim behaviour. His other argument is that I scumread him but I do not place a vote in him. This isn't alignment indicative, specially in the beginning of the game. I did not approached him more aggressively because of what I've already said I was trying to manage. In the other hand, he clearly identifies aggressiveness as town trait and does approach me very aggressive. He is self aware that aggressiveness is a town trait. But how his aggressiveness works? He isn't trying to analyse my alignment. He is just throwing suspicions at me and calling me scum for everything I say, or ridicule my inquiries on him. Which means his aggressiveness is not someone trying to have a read on a player, or to push a player to gather information. His aggressiveness is an attempt to look townie, especially when he believes this is a town trait. Your vote isn't well placed. It is opportunistic. See I really like this now though. Let me explain how I saw bugs play. Pressure this guy because he is a smurf for funsies and to get the thread going. Justify the reasoning with something really shallow that doesn't really make sense Oh wait this guy is actually doing something scummy now it is a legit push. I dont think not revealing who you are even if you are about to die is scummy let me make that clear. Just because people can meta you doesn't mean they should totally flop a read on you if they are already voting you coming to EoD. I don't think a meta read should be able to change a read like that. However I did have a problem with you apparently ignoring everything else he was saying and just focusing on the smurf thing but I understand now why you did this and it was on purpose and not intended to make WBG look bad by focusing on something that is not alignment indicative. As for the last paragraph I don't think that makes WBG scummy because as i said before it came off to me that you were purposely focusing on the smurf thing so I can't blame him for having the same reaction and dismissing what you were saying. ##Unvote Breshke, this would be true if he dropped the smurf thing and went on the other things he thought it was scummy. Yet he just pointed out I was scum for not voting him, but never drops the smurf argument. So the thought process you claim you saw isn't actually what's happening in thread. | ||
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Onegu
United States9695 Posts
On June 08 2015 09:09 yamato77 wrote: If this game were a DotA game I'd be picking Terrorblade right about now. Does this mean you arent going to help at all for half the game but then come win it for us? | ||
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FreezingFoot
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On June 08 2015 14:25 Onegu wrote: Does this mean you arent going to help at all for half the game but then come win it for us? This means you should out pick him with huskar | ||
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
On June 08 2015 14:25 Onegu wrote: Does this mean you arent going to help at all for half the game but then come win it for us? No because terrorblade is shit lategame too. | ||
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Onegu
United States9695 Posts
On June 08 2015 14:27 FreezingFoot wrote: This means you should out pick him with huskar Man I thought I knew who you were, then you said this and I knew I was wrong... | ||
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FreezingFoot
457 Posts
On June 08 2015 14:31 Onegu wrote: Man I thought I knew who you were, then you said this and I knew I was wrong... Who you thought I was? I'm curious. | ||
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Onegu
United States9695 Posts
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FreezingFoot
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On June 08 2015 14:16 FreezingFoot wrote: Your first paragraph is full of shit. If it was really your thought process, you wouldn't be trying to gather votes on me behind a policy. I can't do much in 6 hours of game and something like 6 pages on thread 90% of it is you saying nonsensical, WIFOMy stuff about smurfing. I'm not cherry picking, I'm stating clear sentences in which I reveal how your reads are fabricated / forced. I've just stated mafia priority is survivability so your argument of being about to be lynched and not revealing your identity is stupid. A lot of players die night 1 even if they have wrong reads because they have this good player status, while a lot of people that have good reads stay alive because they can't get people lynches because they have this bad player status. You know that or you wouldn't talk about the NK dodge thing a smurf can have. So, you're contraticting yourself right now just to fit your scumread on me properly. I've just brought new information in the thread: I said I willingly refused to shut down your arguments to give you more space so I could have more information to work regarding you, I revealed how your not-revealing-identity thing doesn't fit scum perspective, and I've already showed that aggressiveness isn't a reliable town tell. What do you think of these stuff? I think you're bad. Enough said | ||
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FreezingFoot
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And I think you should fuck off | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
##vote: WBG | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
Kickstart and Breshke I think are town. I actually like Freezing's response. For the Great Smurf Debate of 2015 I don't care if Freeze outs or not. personally, I'm happy if he/she doesn't. Obviously, she's doing it for a reason pre-game. I don't get why you want to ruin that for them. Anyway, anyone still around? | ||
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FreezingFoot
457 Posts
On June 08 2015 15:05 Tubesock wrote: Hi world! Kickstart and Breshke I think are town. I actually like Freezing's response. For the Great Smurf Debate of 2015 I don't care if Freeze outs or not. personally, I'm happy if he/she doesn't. Obviously, she's doing it for a reason pre-game. I don't get why you want to ruin that for them. Anyway, anyone still around? I am. What did you like in my response? Why do you think Breshke is town? What do you think of bugs? | ||
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FreezingFoot
457 Posts
On June 08 2015 15:01 Bill Murray wrote: ##unvote ##vote: WBG Can you explain this? | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On June 08 2015 15:15 FreezingFoot wrote: I am. What did you like in my response? Why do you think Breshke is town? What do you think of bugs? I think you feel confident town won't lynch you for a stupid policy reason as you won't out as a smurf. I think Mafia would be more concerned with killing suspicion as soon as possible instead of drawing it out. Forcing your identity out is more a dick move to me. And really even if you did, I think it would derail the thread for longer determining if you are lying or not. Breshke and I think a lot alike. Reading his interaction and his vote on you I can see doing the same thing he did if I were here in the beginning. I'm all for fabricating a policy reason to push someone and then throwing a vote on a person to increase the pressure. You've responded and now there is information from the pressure vote. So, now it's time for WBG to move on. This is my 5th game I think. Everytime there is someone who is a little "angry" or insulty they are usually scum. So maybe a bad heuristic, but if I had to vote now, it would be on WBG, but I'll see if he gets out of this silly tunnel. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
ad hominem is a logical fallacy and indicative of scum considering his scumandeering near my entrance in the game, the two damning qualities of these, coupled with my liking of batsnacks responses to me, are why my vote is where it is are you unhappy that i'm voting someone who is worthy of a policy lynch considering the way he is treating you? | ||
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