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Tictock

United States6052 Posts

June 06 2015 05:52 GMT

#1101

On June 06 2015 12:19 Chocolate wrote:
Sorry for my absence, got a longish car ride tomorrow so I'll hopefully be able to be pretty active

I'm not diggin this excuse when you have basically just gone "poof" since EoD.

Onegu

United States9699 Posts

June 06 2015 06:08 GMT

#1102

On June 06 2015 10:58 Tictock wrote:

Show nested quote +

Your logic or the Chezniu stuff? I feel like the chezniu stuff is so arbitrary and doesn't take into account the variety of responses to a "Chezniu". Like I mentioned earlier, I tend to respond to trolly nonsense, with trolly nonsense. Whats the rule on that?

First my rule is different then the Chezniu rule. But it comes down to close to the same thing. I have caught scum using the onegu rule. The chez rule has caught many more scum. I am serious here. People wanting to lynch me today have a much higher chance to flip scum.

I am not trolling here this is a legit strat.

Damdred back me up here plz.

Also there is a diffenece in wanting to lynch me for policy early like scott who I think is town. And actually saying I am scum and wanting to lynch me.

Also if you look at Shendelzare and the games he said he looked up on me, I didnt troll half as much in those games. So how can he draw any conclusions from those games I ask you.

Onegu

United States9699 Posts

June 06 2015 06:10 GMT

#1103

Proof of Chez rule and what people on site think of it

Onegu

United States9699 Posts

June 06 2015 06:11 GMT

#1104

My rule isnt quite there yet but I do promise you I have caught scum with it.

milo109

466 Posts

June 06 2015 06:19 GMT

#1105

The Chez rule only works if we know you're town, doesn't it? It would be skewed if you were mafia.

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

June 06 2015 07:21 GMT

#1106

On June 06 2015 15:10 Onegu wrote:
Proof of Chez rule and what people on site think of it

I checked that Link, and found my way to a game of Chezinu being a Champion.

Chez made me smile... Onegu made me smile D1. Onegu is town.

I have come upon the townie known as ritoky in a past life, and as such still know him in spirit. Thus the proxy spirit of Chezinu is known to me in him.

I, in response to the spirit of Chez embraced the nature of ritoky's posts and returned it in kind. Thus I was the 2nd coming of Chezinu. Blinded by the return of the town savior GG gets a renewed taste of the Chezinu Experience and is forced to vote me. His blindness ensues, and thus his doom is secured.

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I shouldn't post this late at night...

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

June 06 2015 08:05 GMT

#1107

GGTemplar spent most of the game giving hard townreads based on very early posts, and he spent a lot of time justifying those reads. I concede that the most blatant example of this, his reads on Nydus and Ticktock shown here, was at the behest of another player. However, if you'll kindly turn your packets to page 2 of his filter, you'll see a similar behavior throughout, with no prompting. I've explained here my meta reasoning for thinking he's mafia based on behavior - I would have expected him to try and get a read on me early if he's town. He explained numerous times that he didn't find the interaction between Chocolate and myself to be alignment indicative. Yet today, he's trying to use THAT against me.

He also does small nuanced things like trying to appeal to authority and appeal to emotions. Further, his push on Ticktock reads to me as an attempt to remain consistent with his reads yesterday. It's convenient that he had a (very justified *winkwink*) either/or read on Kickstart/Ticktock, and somehow by the grace of God (but conveniently not by Templar's hand) Kickstart the jailer got lynched yesterday, and today EVEN WHILE OMGUSING ME, he maintains that Ticktock is the likeliest shot at mafia. He's not reevaluating the game at all, he's trying to remain consistent while pushing a specific agenda.

Everyone should vote for GGTemplar today. He is the most likely mafia at this point in the game, I would say even more so than Chocolate. The only thing that makes me doubt it is the fact that he wasn't voting EoD yesterday, but as far as I know he thought he was or something.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

June 06 2015 08:15 GMT

#1108

tl;dr

GGTemplar
Meta - Temp would read me early. "Couldn't", in spite of ritoky thinking I was pretty obviously town.
Behavior - Has over-justified his early reads imo, and has attempted to remain consistent with his previous reads rather than reevaluate the game. OMGUS on me reeks of desperation.

Doubts - He wasn't voting EoD, risking modkill.
My Bias/Hypocricy - I still think Chocolate is mafia, and Chocolate was the other wagon yesterday.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

June 06 2015 08:19 GMT

#1109

ritoky and others - I think Nydus said I was jizzing town, and Damdred maybe. Not to put words in peoples mouths or anything. Soft, sensual words of approval.

scott31337

United States2979 Posts

June 06 2015 08:25 GMT

#1110

On June 06 2015 13:40 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
You know I think I've got this game 99% solved

My continued townreads:
Kickstart
Ritoky
Milo
Nydus
Fideu
sicluck(shendel)

Upper-Null:
Chocolate
VE
Damdred

Lower-Null:
Onegu
Scott

Mafia:
Tictock

Honestly I think after we lynch Tictock we just start killing up the list. I am more inclined to believe that my townread on VE was a bit hasty, and I continue to not really have a strong read on chocolate but I just like the vibe I get from reading his posts.

With regards to Scotts vs Damdred's large posts the past couple pages, I actually liked some of Damdred's points and the general direction he pushed. I can't say I got a scummy vibe from Scotts but I didn't get a townie vibe either. Onegu just hasn't done anything.

There is probably one mafia hiding in my town reads//upper null reads.

At this point my priority is getting Tictock lynched. The rest of you should start focusing on Onegu/Scott/Damdred/VE/Chocolate. I believe the rest of the mafia team lies in there.

You do not have this game solved at all - I'm town - and you got town reads on Sch/Fideu that magically appear?

I see Tictock as more lynchbait - He could be mafia, but as I said -He improved his game if he is. Maybe I got confirmation bias, he does not have a coach. I'm honestly not seeing his scum game.

On June 06 2015 13:43 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I have nothing on VE, he might even be below Damdred at this point. It just seems like he has tunneled Chocolate the entire game TBH for reasons I never really picked up on.

This list is more accurate:

Town:
Kickstart
Ritoky
Milo
Fideu
Sickluck(shendel)
Nydus

Upper-null:
Damdred
Chocolate
VE

Lower-null:
Scott
Onegu

Mafia:
Tictock

What do you want me to think? You failed to vote and I gave you a bit of lea-way over the other two wagons. Would you like to be the wagon again? I'll shit more town rainbows if needed - It's been a long night.

On June 06 2015 13:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
In fact, several people have intimated suspicion that if Chocolate is mafia then GG is mafia with him. Maybe we SHOULD lynch Chocolate today. Nah.

I want VE to expand more on this if he is town - Do you think Chocolate is mafia?

scott31337

United States2979 Posts

June 06 2015 08:34 GMT

#1111

I just woke up with peeps who do not know what prejudice is -tired of hearing the "N" word and no clue.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

June 06 2015 08:34 GMT

#1112

On June 05 2015 00:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like and why keep your vote on me if you're town? Why aren't you trying to put your vote on mafia to lynch them? It just smacks of trying to hide your vote somewhere that will give town no information, plopping it down on me with the FULL KNOWLEDGE that I'm not getting lynched today.

I think this is the most damning thing about Chocolate. He couldn't justify putting his vote on anyone when it mattered at the end of the day, he just plopped it on me until an alternative wagon appeared and then "voted to save his life". He stated that he was changing his read of me apparently, but was still voting for me because he didn't want to or couldn't call anyone else mafia. Too afraid he'd piss someone off that might vote for him I guess.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

June 06 2015 08:36 GMT

#1113

And just in case anyone else had any fucking doubt, this is what VE looks like when he's town and tries.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

June 06 2015 08:48 GMT

#1114

Also I'm just going to take this opportunity to publicly decry the lurkers and say that if I'm somehow wrong about Temp and I'm losing to some lurker faction of mafia, I'm going to be REARRY REARRY UPSETUUU.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

June 06 2015 08:53 GMT

#1115

Also GGTemplar would have you believe that my suspicion of Chocolate is somehow based upon my (slightly flawed) milo read. That is NOT the case. My suspicion of Chocolate stems ALL THE WAY from his first post, how he votes for someone for some fake reason and disappears under the guise of activity, which he never revisits until prompted much later. Taken with his response to my pressure (baseless OMGUS) and the course of events at the end of the day (Chocolate being the alternative wagon to the ultimate mislynch), I still find it likely that Chocolate is mafia. Independent of my (now reversed) read of milo.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

June 06 2015 09:04 GMT

#1116

Jesus VE's pwning mafia in here and everyone just runs and hides.

Guys I can't do it alone. I NEED your help to lynch them. If you disagree with me, tell me why. I won't bite. Part of the mafia strategy has been to paint VE as some kind of "bully" when I've just been in here giving my reads and thoughts openly.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

June 06 2015 09:14 GMT

#1117

On June 05 2015 04:05 ritoky wrote:
VE, do you know what i find to be the most compelling reason to stay on chocolate at the moment is?

that you or i are pretty much every single player in the game's #1 town read and yet we are the only 2 on this vote lol. that shit is blowing my mind....

Anyone hear that? It sounds like the ghost of town Jesus showing us the way.

GGTemplar is trying to keep attention off Chocolate, in exactly the same way he's accusing me of trying to "attack Ticktock's accusor". It's pretty cut and dry.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

June 06 2015 09:29 GMT

#1118

Like Templar says there's nothing alignment indicative in my filter. That indicates that he's read my filter. But then he feigns going to look for my case on Chocolate, and comes up with "It's based on a faulty milo observation" that has nothing to do with any of the things I've said about Chocolate. I talked about his tone with NydusHerMain, and I talked about the activity thing with Damdred and ritoky. Like, if he read my filter he must have read that stuff right? But he doesn't mention any of it. Dismisses it as so much alignment null bickering. That's why I say he's ignoring my posts - pretending I'm not making them. Because he literally is. I'm not just dramatizing or exaggerating, he's literally just pretending that I'm not making the (imo town-alignment indicative) posts I'm making.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

June 06 2015 09:51 GMT

#1119

BTW can someone else fucking ask GGTemplar to substantiate his read on milo? Because in spite of OVEREXPLAINING many of his other reads, he refuses to explain his milo townread that he repeatedly forgets to substantiate. It sucks too because now he can just say whatever he wants based on everything.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

June 06 2015 09:56 GMT

#1120

repeatedly

that's the link for the above post. I asked him earlier to substantiate that read. But I don't do townie things. I don't make townie observations and ask pertinent questions and follow up on suspicions, and reevaluate as new info is presented.
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