EPTOn May 20 2015 04:14 Palmar wrote:
But you already know whether or not he's mafia??
But you already know whether or not he's mafia??
Dunno what you mean by this unless you're implying I'm mafia. Anyway, what do you think of my last post on Obi?
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Dunno what you mean by this unless you're implying I'm mafia. Anyway, what do you think of my last post on Obi? | ||
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On May 20 2015 04:29 Qwerty! wrote: if u want to lynch vivax... you probs should vivax has changed his town playstyle to do zilch and get lynched It's really irritating if he is town because you are supposed to play to win the game. Like it's stated in the rules that you are not supposed to intentionally play like shit. But if you think that he is going to intentionally play like shit as either alignment then I think that is basis for a policy lynch if nothing else. Plus Palmar's points were pretty OK and I was leaning scum on him originally in any case. Dunno if it matters, but I'm just gonna throw my vote on Vivax. I'm not completely confident on Obi, and Vivax should not be allowed to live. He said he would be back between 8pm and 9pm in Austria and it's now 9:30. ##unvote ##vote Vivax | ||
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On May 20 2015 04:37 Zealos wrote: To me though, a mafia who thought he was in risk of getting lynched would be more likely to turn up if he said he would be back to defend himself. I still think its an okay lynch, but I'm not sure that last point really applies Basically what I'm saying is that I'm leaning scum on him, and even if he is town, he is putting in 0 effort and intentionally playing against his win condition, so there's no reason not to lynch him today. | ||
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On May 20 2015 04:39 Vivax wrote: I play to win the game, I just post less and with less effort on D1s until people stop lynching me for inactivity, that's not against the rules, it just furthers my wincon across all my games. Intentionally playing scummy is not playing to win the game Vivax. Getting yourself lynched does not help your team regardless of your alignment. If you're town I'm honestly going to be pretty annoyed. | ||
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I'm just really hoping he flips scum. | ||
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On May 20 2015 04:49 Damdred wrote: Imo if your town game is better than mafia the best thing to do is...get better at mafia. not ruin town game meh Agreed. If the problem is that people are lynching you for inactivity, the simple solution is: never be inactive. It's not that hard. Only sign up for games you have time to play and then play them. On May 20 2015 04:51 GlowingBear wrote: Pre-flip mindnote: if Vivax flip green I'm 200% lynching him day2 200% lynching who? | ||
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I want your thoughts on what I've posted on Obi. You conveniently managed to never mention him. @Onegu Is there anything you want to discuss regarding my play? I'd be happy to try to ease your feelings of paranoia during the night phase. | ||
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On May 20 2015 05:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Qwerty's vote looks more like he's trying to look good after the flip rather than actually trying to save Vivax. There was no conceivable way Vivax could have been saved that close to deadline. This is very wrong. Anybody who is not a complete moron would know that nobody is going to say "Great job Qwerty! You knew he was town. If only we had listened to you!" On the contrary, anyone who has played any amount of mafia here should know that people are going to be raising eyebrows at his vote switch. Precisely because it is such an eye-catching and arguably bad play, I honestly think he is town. I'm not saying we should have switched votes or that his vote switch was a good play. But I think he is town. Actually reading his posts on this page I feel pretty strongly that he is town. | ||
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On May 20 2015 05:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote: This is assuming mafia don't do it. Mafia does it all the time. Show me a few examples of mafia spazzing out in reaction to a last second reads post and asking for a vote switch. If you can, then I will consider changing my read on Qwerty. | ||
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On May 20 2015 05:17 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Off the top of my head, Breshke in New Years'. I looked through the game and have no idea what you are talking about. He doesn't look to have done anything similar to what Qwerty did here. Please quote posts | ||
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On May 20 2015 05:26 Onegu wrote: Yeah we are lynching qwerty tommorow There is no ifs and or buts about it. Its done. He has done nothing is jumping around and his big read is a OMGUS on me with very little back up. @Sciberia. Like I dont know just a feeling... Like I just keep flashing back to that game where you got a fake green check... Well I try to imitate my town game when I am scum so it shouldn't be entirely surprising that my play this game (town) reminds you of that game (scum). Anyway, you will also remember from that game that you tunneled town!Mocsta for days. I think you are town here, and I just want you to try to keep an open mind about qwerty because he may or may not be scum. What strikes me as townie is that he is actually annoyed that people didn't switch. It seems like he really really thought that we could switch. Just seems genuine to me. Spur of the moment, appropriate emotion is difficult to fake as scum. On May 20 2015 05:08 Qwerty! wrote: im just kind of annoyed, not that ppl didnt switch, but that people didnt even bother to post and respond to vivax or ask me why to switch On May 20 2015 05:09 Qwerty! wrote: maybe if people actually bothered trying to post there could have been a vote switch... enough ppl were online | ||
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One other thing. I agree with you that his read on you is not very good. But townies can make bad reads. What is impressive is the way that he consistently acts in accordance with that read. It doesn't look fake: On May 19 2015 16:01 Qwerty! wrote: onegu because hes been largely serious (suggests he is scum) and he did not mention being sad about rolling town like hes done in his last many town games... also hes just asking questions and generally not taking stances, plus he advocated plynch and he hates plynches On May 19 2015 16:32 Qwerty! wrote: @everyone i think that onegu is the best lynch today ##vote onegu "lead me, follow me, or get out of my way" - General George Patton On May 19 2015 17:00 Qwerty! wrote: i'm really interested in seeing what others think about an onegu lynch... On May 20 2015 05:08 Qwerty! wrote: vivax wasn't doing anything that made him town but he came back and provided a reads post that i felt was mostly sensible, and i agreed with his onegu read in particular The last quote in particular is impressive. If he is scum, he remembered that he lied about having a scumread on you, and then thought to use that as justification for why he sympathized with Vivax in the spur of the moment. Anyway, I will reread him and think about what you have said about him, but these things make me think he could be town. Again, I'm not saying he is playing well so far or that his read on you is good. But that doesn't make him mafia. | ||
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That's an interesting point. Maybe damdred is scum but if he is he's playing quite well imo. @Damdred Why didn't you want to lynch Obi? | ||
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On May 20 2015 07:08 Damdred wrote: I think Obi is a sub optimal lynch on day one and how he acts around the lynch and during the night is more telling in context then when he's being a bastard under pressure generally. Well now you've seen how he acted around the lynch and at the start of the night. Thoughts? Also do you find anything I posted about him convincing? | ||
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I think we should focus on finding one mafia and only then worry about associations. Work off as few assumptions as possible. Come to think of it, what do YOU think of Obi? I can't recall you ever giving a read on him. | ||
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I'll be around for much of the night phase if people want to chat. | ||
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Why wouldn't you give GB your read on him at the start of the game? Did you ever answer that question? I'm just doing a bunch of rereading and haven't made any conclusions, but it would be nice to get an answer here. | ||
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On May 20 2015 10:41 Oatsmaster wrote: qwertys switch looks really bad, 2bad2bscum is not a thing. This isn't even a 2bad2bscum thing. Changing your vote at the last second to a different candidate isn't a bad play, if you really think there is new information that makes the person you were previously voting more likely to be town. And Vivax turned out to be town. So the case on qwerty, if any, is really 2good2bscum. It boils down to: Do you think it is possible that he really had a change of heart on Vivax and decided Vivax looked more townie? (I do) Do you think it is possible that he really thought a voteswitch was possible? (I do) Do you think that he was trying to make himself look better post-flip by waffling around at the last second? (I don't) The only way you can answer yes to this last question is if you think qwerty is a moron. I could have told you 1000 times out of 1000 that he would get flak for that switch. And at least 3 people have already called him out on it. I know I'm defending qwerty pretty hard but I just have a really gut feel that he is town. I remember this game from forever ago, Newbie Mini XV, in which funnily enough, Vivax self-voted at the end of day 2, and multiple townies suddenly thought he was town, but figured there wasn't time for a vote switch. I feel like I have seen other cases like this as well. | ||
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