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Stutters695
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ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
I kind of see the value in what Damdred is saying but if Shockey continues to post garbage then we really should just lynch him. If the inactives don't step up then we can give him a day at best. | ||
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ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On May 21 2015 17:24 Qwerty! wrote: Many times, Shockey showed varying levels of suspicion of people. Even though I often disagree with how he got his reads, the level of suspicion indicated by his statements and how much he pushed the read seem to be related. This post shows the same mindset (suspicious of people who vote together), but with regards to votes on someone else, so there is some consistency there. I also like how Shockey picks up on a supposed inconsistency from Palmar, not including his scumread Damdred in his list (though of course this was due to a misinterpretation of Palmar's intent). Furthermore, (pending a review of Shockey's recent posting) I don't see good mafia motivation for playing this way. He might be scum, but I just don't see what makes him scum. You see, truffle, you say that he brings good and insightful points, but your thought process shows that you think Shockey is town for taking genuine stances, which is a complete different read. It sounded to me that you decided to call him town, and when inquired to check for the good points he brings, you fail. Easiest thing for Mafia is to form a scumteam out of association. The bad thing is that he considers my first post to call me possible town/mafia (the only two alignments possible, I know, SHOCKING) and scumreads palmar and obi for that association. It doesn't make sense because I'm the root of his scumreads. Associations are mostly like "if this guy is Mafia, THEN this guy is totally Mafia". So what does he have to do in order to verify if his reads are correct? Having me lynched first. But his thought process is the complete opposite. He wants PALMAR lynched first. It's not a natural stream of thought. It's fabricated. Also, this association thing is the easiest thing to do as Mafia. Tunneling on weak arguments is also the easiest path for a Mafia who thinks being aggressive is a townie trait. But, palmar flipped town, I'm confirmed town, and he has no 180 change of his reads. How do you explain that in a town perspective? He also had you as scum but never proceeded to talk about it. What do you make of it? | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
I'm having too many scumreads and I'm afraid I could be reading Damdred wrongly, but I doubt it... | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
1) Not wanting to give a read on me based on early games' lack of information, instantly giving palmar a town read without even revisiting it. 2) The most important: giving a town read on Vivax throghout the whole day1 but ending on voting him in the end. Gave scumreads on obi and Zealos. Never engages Zealos. Never votes for obi. When obi was with aot of votes, Damdred orefer to vote Vivax, a town lean, arguing that Palmar's case was very good, which couldn't be read as that in Damdred's perspectice because: Palmar's main point was Vivax raising suspicions on Damdred but never doing anything with it. This is not purely logical - part of this argument is associative. If Damdred is town he should realise this is not a strong argument. Second point of Palmar's case is about vivax making a lot of random suspicions and reads, something that Damdred TOWNREAD VIVAX FOR. So this point shouldn't be enough to convince Damdred. Last argument on Palmar's case was Vivax inactivity, which EVEN PALMAR SAID WAS A WEAK ARGUMENT. And Damdred uses this to JUSTIFY HIS VOTE ON VIVAX, but only after OBI STATES INACTIVITY IS ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE. He simply parroted obi. If inactivity is a problem for Damdred, WHY NOT LYNCHING ZEALOS, HIS ORIGINAL SCUMREAD, WHO ALSO WENT INACTIVE??? Damdred raises a lot of suspicions on Zealos but NEVER really does anything with it. 3) When I talk about a VIGI shot on Damdred, he instantly claims "blue" (without even saying what his role is). This makes no sense from a blue's perspectice because: (i) I was the first one to raise suspicions on him and it was still early night1. If he has an important role, it's way more important to try to establish your innocence while discussing with people, and not claiming being a power role instantly because he could be killed by Mafia, and (ii) it doesn't make sense to claim he is s blue without giving his role unless he is afraid of being counter claimed. So, saying he is blue is a safe way to stay away from a Vigi shot in a closed setup game. His blue claim wasn't a townie wanting to establish his innocence to avoid having town wasting a bullet. His blue claim was a survival one, coming from a guy who doesn't want to get shot by vigi but isn't afraid of getting shot by Mafia. | ||
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
 Way, I think the scum team is Damdred/Shockey/3rd guy I can't figure outMy preferred team is Damdred/Shockey/Obi based on day 1 votecount dynamics My second preferred is Damdred/Shockey/Zealos based in association with Damdred + Zealos play is extremely uninspiring My third preferred is Damdred/Shockey/Qwerty based on association with Shockey My fourth preferred is Damdred/Shockey/Stutters based on how I hate stutters in this game. Thoughts? | ||
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ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
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ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
Afaik he's trying to kill Zealos right now. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On May 22 2015 03:53 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Best point on Damdred is that he hardclaimed blue and never claimed a roleblock or got shot. Afaik he's trying to kill Zealos right now. No Best point on him was lynching Vivax. He could never lynch Vivax with a town lean on him. He should be at least uneasy of doing it. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
Which arguments Damdred is bringing to the table? How is he trying to convince people? Is he voting Zealos? I don't see him actually trying to lynch Zealos | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
Vote Count: ShoCkeyy(1) - Oatsmaster Qwerty(1) - Onegu Damdred(1) - GlowingBear until lynch! Qwerty is set to be lynched! | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
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Damdred
15669 Posts
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On May 22 2015 04:09 Damdred wrote: 100% have a town lean on someone 10% into game person doesn't do anything of value would lynch Sorry, I didn't understand this. If you're saying that you lynched Vivax because he was doing nothing, I don't understand how you had a town lean on him, because he was doing nothing the entire day2 If you're saying he only posted a few posts and his activity dropped and that made him scum, you should also go after The Shining, Zealos, etc., especially Zealos, who you were scumreading but took NO STANCE to get him lynched. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
I mean what I say and say what I mean, I've been going after zealos. Shining is town. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
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Damdred
15669 Posts
You have a narrative that you think makes me scum when it doesn't, oh well. When I flip town look at zealos and stutters both promising content and vanishing again. They will probably delurk soon after this post | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
Palmar drops a good case I sheep case. Sometimes you sheep people you think are town for a multitude of reasons especially when they are extremely confidant that the person is scum | ||
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