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have you read the thread? who do you think is mafia? | ||
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On May 19 2015 16:01 Qwerty! wrote: <_< yes stutters and onegu for now, still going over other players filters tho stutters cuz his opening posts sound really bad, and its hard for me to see from a town mindset onegu because hes been largely serious (suggests he is scum) and he did not mention being sad about rolling town like hes done in his last many town games... also hes just asking questions and generally not taking stances, plus he advocated plynch and he hates plynches What do you think of Obi, ShoCkey, Palmar, and Vivax? | ||
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On May 19 2015 16:13 Qwerty! wrote: i dont want to lynch vivax today cuz the quick read change on shocky was suspicious, the rest of his filter has felt reasonable and tone felt towny to me; plus i doubt mafia!vivax would change read suspiciously like that with no explanation (i know wifom....) Just to clarify for everyone else, I'm sure you meant to reference vivax's read change on zealos, not shocky. On May 19 2015 16:13 Qwerty! wrote: shockey filter next on my list, but i feel like its really hard to read him... very risky lynch he's a lesser experienced player, and while his association reads are not very good, that doesnt make him scum... im really surprised by how stubbornly he has been clinging to his reads despite everyone telling him he is wrong, i think that makes him more likely to be town (scum would conform more quickly) i dont think he's a good lynch at all @Qwerty I don't think the problem with shockey is his reads being bad. In fact I agree with you that clinging to bizarre conspiracy theories might be more of a towntell than a scumtell. My problem with shockey is that his first several posts dance around GB, seemingly building up suspicion against him without outright calling him mafia, and then he says he would only vote for Palmar or Obi. He waffles back and forth between implying that GB is mafia and GB isn't mafia. It's just baffling and doesn't seem consistent with a townie mindset. Either you should be suspicious of GB or you should not be. After you've read his filter, please tell me if you have any thoughts on what I've said here about shockey. Also, tell me why we should not lynch you today. Are you going to be an asset to the town in future? Are you going to demonstrate your towniness by helping to find mafia? Or are you going to consistently afk for 36 hours randomly? | ||
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For some reason I don't really feel like lynching Qwerty either. The person I think I really want to lynch is Obi.. but gah I just need to convince myself. I'll probably make a post on him and would love some thoughts on it. | ||
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On May 19 2015 16:44 Qwerty! wrote: how long do i gotta wait? cuz im sleepy and kinda just want to go to sleep ive never rly had much success reading obi... ill check his filter tho Give me 30 mintues? | ||
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Not that these are all hard town reads, but I don't want to lynch anyone in this list today: GlowingBear, Onegu, Stutters, Shining, Damdred, Oats, Zealos, Qwerty(?) This leaves: Vivax, Palmar, Shockey, Obiwan No doubt about it, Vivax and Palmar are being lurky, lazy, and making this game harder than it needs to be for us. I think I'm OK with lynching either of them today if they do not contribute more. They would be mostly policy lynches: I cannot pretend to see much in their filters that is scummy. Shockey is baffling. I think he could be mafia. I think he could be town. I'm not too sure. Obi could be town, but I've been suspicious of him for quite a while, and I have given him every chance to remedy his lurkiness, and with 12 hours to the deadline he seems content to not do anything. I wish I felt more confident, but I think he currently has the greatest chance of flipping scum. I will explain why shortly. | ||
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1) His attitude toward Damdred in the middle of the day is extremely suspicious. First, I will give some background. + Show Spoiler [sheeping Palmar] + + Show Spoiler [calling Damdred mafia] + On May 18 2015 11:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Damdred is confirmed mafia for thinking that I'm mafia. During the first eight hours of the game, Obi floated around in the thread without really doing anything. He sheeped Palmar's vote onto Damdred, and called Damdred mafia. + Show Spoiler [doesn't feel like doing anything] + On May 18 2015 12:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I felt like it. I don't really feel like doing anything until tomorrow so I'm gonna chill unless something catches my interest. + Show Spoiler [vote on Damdred was not serious] + He later explained his behavior by saying that he did not feel like doing anything on the first real-life day of the game, and that his vote on Damdred was basically just a joke with no real reasoning behind it. While this is not exactly model town play so far, I could overlook it. Townies can be lazy and troll too. But now Obi goes to sleep, wakes up, and comes back to the thread. We are now on page 16. The game is in full swing. It is time for Obi to start playing seriously. Let's see what Obi's first two posts are upon his return to the thread. + Show Spoiler [why not vote damdred] + + Show Spoiler [damdred 'plausibly' town] + On May 19 2015 03:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote: It's plausible that Damdred could be town but I'm too preoccupied with important business to fix it until later tonight. I think these two posts might only be able to come from a mafia Obi. The context of the thread is very important to consider here. There is a ton of pressure on Damdred coming from every angle. In fact, here is the vote count at the time: damdred (4): palmar, obiwan, zealos, glowingbear shining (1): stutters zealos (1): sciberbia Damdred is being piled on. It looks like he might even be lynched. This seems far past the time when Obi should be joking about Damdred being mafia. It's time to get serious. If you truly have nothing against Damdred, why are you adding fuel to the fire? The first post I think has possible townie explanations. Maybe Obi just wanted to know why Stutters would not lynch Damdred. But the second post, where he calls damdred 'plausibly town' is imo very alarming. Stutters replied to Obi and explained why Damdred looks townie. Then Obi says it is plausible that Damdred could be town, but does not want to resolve the issue at present. The tone of this sentence implies Damdred is still a likely contender for mafia, but Obi could see how Damdred might be town. This is inconsistent with what Obi says later about him never really having anything against Damdred at all. It doesn't fit. I hope I'm explaining this well. It's like he stuck his vote on Damdred, a bunch of more votes piled on, and then he just awkwardly justifies leaving his vote on Damdred. WHY ARE YOU JUSTIFYING LEAVING YOUR VOTE ON DAMDRED? IT WAS A TROLL VOTE: THERE IS NOTHING TO JUSTIFY. This is by far the most concerning thing about Obi. 2) He is content to do nothing while there is no pressure on him Look at his next post. On May 19 2015 03:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I really want Palmar to do something because I feel like we need a sense of direction, and Damdred's sense of direction involves killing everyone that scumreads him which isn't going to help us. Why don't YOU provide some sense of direction mate? At this point Obi is obviously not trolling anymore, but he's not doing anything else either. He has not given one serious scumread or townread, and he is complaining that Palmar is not giving a sense of direction? Rather hypocritical. He has not gotten any votes on him, and he has not come out of his lurking. Scum often lurk until you give them a reason not to, and Obi fits this profile. 3) He has no sense of urgency, does not seem to care about the lynch, and does not justify his vote at all I have been suspicious of Obi, but I wanted to give him the chance to redeem himself while there was no pressure on him. But let's see how he doesn't contribute to the lynch. I ask him about his actual scumreads and he replies with this: + Show Spoiler + On May 19 2015 13:07 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Eh. I think I'd prefer killing a lurky person at this point like Vivax or smthn. Vivax is the least prone to lurking/being unproductive when he's town and I feel like he'd be trying harder to make this work if he was. If he isn't still purposefully trying to sink his towngames just so his scumgame is better, that is. + Show Spoiler + On May 19 2015 13:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote: There's nothing stopping me from putting both Shocky and Vivax on my scumlist, actually. I might roll with that instead. He says he is suspicious of Vivax and Shocky and leave it at that. It is just so lacking. Where is your vote? Where is you trying to convince other people? The lynch is 12 hours away! His play is completely reactionary and not proactive at all. He mostly only says things when people ask him stuff. For example, I go out of my way to prod him to vote. If I had not, I suspect his vote would still be on Damdred (who he supposedly does not even read as scum). He voted for ShoCkeyy in the voting thread in response to my prodding. Here is the full list of everything Obi has said about ShoCkeyy in this game: + Show Spoiler + On May 19 2015 05:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Btw it's really obvious that Shockeyy didn't really read Palmar's post. On May 19 2015 10:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Shockey have you played elsewhere before? On May 19 2015 11:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote: @Shockey: No lol, I haven't. I'll go look for it. On May 19 2015 12:29 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I couldn't the answer to the question I asked Shocky. On May 19 2015 13:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote: There's nothing stopping me from putting both Shocky and Vivax on my scumlist, actually. I might roll with that instead. This is unacceptable for a townie. You cannot vote for someone and never mention what makes them scummy to you. This is hopping on the bandwaggon and providing no justification in the extreme. ##unvote ##vote: ObiWanShinobi | ||
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Can you please respond to this post: + Show Spoiler [me] + On May 19 2015 15:25 sciberbia wrote: + Show Spoiler [Oats] + On May 19 2015 13:36 Oatsmaster wrote: Palmar scum. Yup. [b]##vote Palmar[b] Also zealos is scum. Vivax maybe, useless posts. and 'risk''? why does that even mean man. meh, the only thing stopping me is assassination was similar in terms of activity. @Oats Why is Zealos scum? And what happened to me and damdred being scummy? P.S. please put your vote in the voting thread Also what do you think of Obi? | ||
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On May 19 2015 17:57 Onegu wrote: OMFG Sciberia is reminding of BttB mafia. Chills... Well I'll just take that as a complement to my scum play I guess (I was scum in BttB). Thanks Onegu. Anyway, what do you think of what I wrote about Obi? On May 19 2015 18:02 Palmar wrote: Yeah sciberbia is mafia but we'll never lynch him cause his scumgame is a+ so it's fine. Might as well assume I'm town then and hope for the best  You're currently a vote-leader fyi. If we lynch you and you flip town I'm going to win extra hard in my next scum game, so please dazzle us with analysis. One-sentence reads are not going to convince anyone you are town. | ||
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On May 19 2015 18:36 Palmar wrote: This is a terrible post too. He's voluntarily offering up information in the thread. I have literally no problem with people being unsure. In fact if he was mafia why wouldn't he just pretend he's sure? Like I explained on the next page or something to Vivax, I didn't have a problem with him being unsure either. I had a problem with the specific way he stated his conclusions. I don't even think he's mafia any more anyway. On May 19 2015 18:35 Palmar wrote: This is super dumb. If I assume sciberbia is not shit which I know he isn't this looks like a mafia post. No one that has a brain would actually think I believe that throwing out a one sentence unexplained 100% read is going to make me look like I'm doing something. I admit I could have been more clear here. I am using 'doing something' loosely. Trolling could be classified as 'doing something'. My main point is that if you are scum, you are not necessarily trying to start a wagon on Damdred by voting him. You could just be doing whatever. | ||
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On May 19 2015 18:51 Oatsmaster wrote: you no more scum. Damdred also probably not scum. Zealos, i dont like that he narrows down his lynches so early and his shitty meta read on Damdred feels really piggybacking off thread sentiment considering he never mentions it again. I agree with your point about him being very narrow-minded as a possible scumtell. But to be fair to Zealos I think he does mention his meta read on Damdred several more times. Anyway what do you think of Obi? | ||
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On May 19 2015 18:54 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok palmar is doing stuff, cool. And different enough from assassination, Im pretty happy. bleh qwerty's filter is really ugly, so is shockeys. Yeah Vivax is it. ##vote Vivax Why Vivax over Zealos? You just seemed to feel pretty good about your Zealos read? I'm going to bed soon. I agree with Oats that Palmar's recent contributions get him out of policy lynch territory. Plus he is agreeing with all my reads so far (except the one on me >_>). So I think the good lynch options right now are Vivax and Obi with a maybe on shoCkeyy. | ||
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I dunno about ShoCkeyy. I really can't figure out if he believes what he's saying or not. | ||
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obi (3): scib, vivax, shockey shockey (2): oats, gb onegu (1): qwerty qwerty (1): onegu damdred (1): zealos not voting: shining | ||
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On May 19 2015 03:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote: It's plausible that Damdred could be town but I'm too preoccupied with important business to fix it until later tonight. You really need to explain these two posts. Here is what it looks like you are doing here: "Stutters, why do you not want to lynch Damdred? I think he might be mafia" "OK Stutters I will admit that I'm not completely convinced Damdred is mafia. However, I'm busy at the moment so I'm just going to leave my vote on him and reconsider later tonight." And if that is really what you meant by these two posts, then you are mafia, because you later said you never had any reason to think Damdred is scum. So explain those two posts please. Why did you post them? | ||
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On May 19 2015 03:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote: It's plausible that Damdred could be town but I'm too preoccupied with important business to fix it until later tonight. What about this though? Generally when you say it's plausible that something could be true, you are saying it is a possibility we need to consider, which implies that the standard position is the opposite. What was your opinion on Damdred's alignment when you made this post? And what was the purpose of making this post? To justify why your vote is still on Damdred? | ||
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On May 20 2015 03:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't need to justify a vote that obviously isn't serious and I have no idea why you're so hung up on that idea. As for the purpose of it, it was mostly me letting people know that I would return to the thread at a later date to do stuff. 1) You didn't answer the question: what was your opinion of Damdred's alignment when you made that post? 2) Also, what are you referring to "fixing" if not your vote on Damdred? 3) Lastly, why did you want to know Stutters' opinion of Damdred? You never show any interest on Stutters anywhere else in your filter? You never push or defend Damdred. Why, of everything that you could possibly comment on when you returned to the thread, did you want to know Stutters' read on Damdred? | ||
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On May 20 2015 03:51 Palmar wrote: Can we have less talk about things that don't matter and more talk about how much we're going to lynch Vivax? Like I said I'm fine with lynching Vivax. If Obi satisfactorily answers my questions I'll even consider switching my vote. But the elsuive Obi is currently in the thread and I want to know if he's mafia. | ||
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On May 20 2015 04:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote: 1) Maybe town. 2) Changing it I guess. 3) Because stutters said he didn't want to lynch him but didn't explain why. 1) Can you be a little more specific here? On which side of null is "maybe town"? 2) Changing your vote? So you are in fact explaining why you are leaving your vote on Damdred? | ||
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On May 20 2015 04:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't understand why you're so hung up on me keeping my vote on Damdred anyways. It's really not that big a deal. No the problem is not that you left your vote on Damdred. Here is the problem. You supposedly have a leaning town read on Damdred. However, Damdred is under a great deal of attack from several people in the thread. There are 4 votes on him and it looks like he might even be lynched. Do you defend your townread? No Do you question people as to why they are calling Damdred scum? No You question someone as to why they said they WON'T lynch your town read. That is very odd and not a natural townie instict. The townie instinct if you see one of your leaning town reads being bandwaggoned is to defend him, or at the very least question people who are attacking him. But question people who are defending him? That's just not a natural response. Then your wording as to how Damdred plausibly could be town, under normal usage of this phrase, really implies that you do not think Damdred is town. Finally, it is really awkward that you say this in the context of justifying leaving your vote on Damdred longer. Obi: troll vote on damdred Obi: even though damdred might be town, I'm going to leave my troll vote on him a little longer It really really bothers me. To everyone else, I agree Obi seems carefree/laid back. It is one of the reservations I have about him being mafia. But notice when that now, after I got 3 votes on him, is when he becomes much more active/responsive. It's suspicious. | ||
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