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I want a serious explanation of your vote on Damdred. By saying yoloswag, are you saying that you just did it on a whim without any serious reasoning?
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sciberbia
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@Obi I want a serious explanation of your vote on Damdred. By saying yoloswag, are you saying that you just did it on a whim without any serious reasoning? | ||
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So what is your current opinion of Damdred's alignment? There is a wagon to lynch him today. Do you see yourself supporting that wagon or opposing it? | ||
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On May 19 2015 05:11 ShoCkeyy wrote: Obviously, I did read his posts which is why I questioned GB to start with, GB is still under my list and I won't truly know until Palmar is gone and now that I mentioned you, you turn around and accuse me with no real reasons and bandwagon once again. @ShoCkeyy What puzzles me here is that your entire filter seems to consist of you building up suspicion against GB, and then you conclude by saying you will vote for either Palmar or Obi. What do you mean by "I won't truly know until Palmar is gone"? | ||
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On May 19 2015 04:16 sciberbia wrote: Am I correct in saying that you did not play in Assassination? It seems like you are basing your scum read on him mostly on a meta comparison from a post-restricted game that you didn't even play in, which seems very shaky to me. Can you point to some of the so many useless posts of his that are useless / wasting space and time? Maybe put a collection into a spoiler. Abrasive I will grant you, but it looks to me like the vast majority of his posts have clear content, one of the reasons I think he is town. @Zealos OK thanks. Can you answer to these two questions as well? | ||
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I'm getting too many feelings of activeness/genuineness/fearlessness from Zealos to leave my vote on him. Currently debating between 2 or 3 people for my vote. I might join in on Shocckey. Would be nice if Vivax/Palmar would step up. | ||
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On May 19 2015 06:36 ShoCkeyy wrote: I just like the fact that I call three people out today and I'm getting ganged up on like in the beginning with they ganged up on damdred. If it doesn't smell like obvious mafia players, then Idk what is obvious. And Palmar has yet to post. @ShoCkeyy So do you think GB is mafia or not? You just said that you don't think he is mafia + Show Spoiler [ShoCkeyy] + On May 19 2015 05:36 ShoCkeyy wrote: I didn't ignore it and I never said GB was mafia directly, nor do I think he's mafia yet after throwing posts at him to see his argument style ... I still build my suspicion upon GB, but I truly don't have much against him other than him trying to "figure" out whos mafia. ... I just don't feel like GB is mafia for now. | ||
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On May 19 2015 06:50 ShoCkeyy wrote: @sci As mentioned, my suspicion grows of GB but my vote stands - I can't confirm he's mafia until Palmar goes first. Isn't it just weird that Palmar is voting right after GB consistently. Then Obi earlier started to throw my name into the mix after calling him out. Which Obi isn't in Palmar's "shit list", but GB is? Once Palmar goes and he is confirm mafia, then I can truly call GB out for being mafia as well. OK I don't know whether you have ever played with Palmar, but I have, and I can tell you that it is very likely a coincidence that he has copied two of GB's votes. By putting GB on his shitlist, Palmar has effectively said that in his opinion, GB "should be treated as incapable of being useful regardless of their alignment". Now why would Palmar copy votes from a player that he thinks is useless? He wouldn't do this even if he were mafia. If he were going to copy votes, he would at least copy them from a player he thinks is good. I think you are reading far too much into Palmar's "shit list". Palmar put people on the list because in his opinion they have said stupid things and therefore should not be listened to. As Palmar said, it is completely irrelevant to them being mafia or not. On May 19 2015 06:50 ShoCkeyy wrote: Once Palmar goes and he is confirm mafia, then I can truly call GB out for being mafia as well. On May 19 2015 06:52 ShoCkeyy wrote: Or maybe the two fronts is two posters misguiding the town by throwing votes around, while you act as a vocal townee? ShoCkey these two quotes are completely inconsistent. Like, your entire stance on GB and Palmar is baffling and needs to be clarified. You say that you have built suspicions against GB, but his guilt will only truly be confirmed once Palmar is confirmed as mafia. But then you say that maybe Palmar and Obi are mafia but GB is just a vocal townie. So what's the deal? | ||
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On May 19 2015 07:12 Damdred wrote: Actually you really missed the most inconsistent part of the post I don't even understand what he is saying there. | ||
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On May 19 2015 07:16 Damdred wrote: The gist if I don't misunderstand is that he doesn't think GB is mafia atm, however in subsequent postings he still infers that gb is scum? oh yea I mentioned that here He replied by saying that GB is not scummy atm, but will be scummy if palmar/obi flip scum. This is what he really has to explain. On May 19 2015 07:01 Damdred wrote: So you really need to walk me through this shockey and why you can't do anything when obi and Palmar are still alive. It doesn't make sense to me Basically this^ | ||
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##vote: Palmar This feels like the right thing to do. I'll be in and out of the thread for the next few hours. | ||
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On May 19 2015 07:39 Damdred wrote: That's not the point, the point is that its an uneven way of doing things currently. You see when you decide to policy lynch Obi/Palmar because of lack of information but ignore someone who literally has no information but has been active on this forum its a weird way to go about things. Not sure if you are talking about shoCkey or in general. shoCkey is not saying obi/palmar as a policy lynch. Rather, he wants to lynch them for being scummy. I could maybe be persuaded to vote for qwerty. But probably that slot will be replaced on D2, and I think I'd like to get a chance to read the replacement. Also, I feel like we get no information from the lynch if we all just hold hands and lynch qwerty. So if we are going to policy lynch, I think I would prefer Palmar/obi. | ||
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sciberbia
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##unvote ##vote shoCkeyy shoCkeyy if you want to convince me you're town, I need to clearly understand who you think is mafia and why. | ||
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On May 19 2015 08:37 ShoCkeyy wrote: He asked me a hypothetical question and I gave him a hypothetical answer. I think Palmar or Obi are mafia. 1)If Palmar flips mafia, GB is mafia and Obi is just bandwagoning. 2)If Obi flips mafia, then Palmar is mafia, GB is town. Dude this doesn't make any sense. If you are town, really think about what you are saying here. According to premise 1: if Palmar is mafia, then GB has to be mafia. Let's assume that is true. Now in scenario 2 where Obi flips mafia, Palmar is mafia and GB is town. This is logically inconsistent with premise 1, which states that if Palmar is mafia, then GB has to be mafia. Like imagine both Obi and Palmar are mafia. Now what you are essentially saying is that GB is mafia if and only if we lynch Palmar before Obi, which doesn't make any sense. | ||
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On May 19 2015 08:44 Damdred wrote: Pre flip associations are really bad, if any of them are scum it wont' be because there postings line up or one is sheeping the other. For another you are completely ignoring the reasons why GB is town. The level of mafia play is really high now adays sometimes you get a really bad team, but distancing from yoru team mates is extremely encouraged at points, so that you can't do associative reads. Like honestly theres nothing in there postings that directly point to them being on a team besides them being close together on voting. @Damdred I agree with this, but before I even start to criticize his beliefs, I want his beliefs to be internally consistent. For now I would be happy if he could just state a consistent set of beliefs, even if I don't agree with some or all of them. | ||
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On May 19 2015 11:44 Onegu wrote: Obi's fuck off attitude this game is kinda townie though dont you think. He needs to do more shit but yeah. I still want to lynch Zealous/Zealos hasnt exactly changed my mind at this point. Could lynch into the lurkers. And sho also. @Onegu What are the reasons you want to lynch Zealos? Before you said that you didn't like how he used the assassination meta analysis and the fact that he changed his vote from Palmar to Damdred. He has since addressed those points: + Show Spoiler [assassiation meta analysis] + On May 19 2015 06:08 Zealos wrote: As for the Meta comparison, I didn't play in that game, and I haven't played mafia for ages. I was just looking at the early mafia leans on Damdred, so I checked his filter to compare with his last game. I then checked again later and it just looks very very different to me. Even if you guys don't agree with the call of him mafia, at the very worst having the information pointed out/available in thread can only be helpful to town imo On May 19 2015 06:09 Zealos wrote: Like, I get it might be shaky, but I think it's worth bearing in mind. I just think although you might make sure to get more content in each post during a restricted game, the whole tone of posting is different + Show Spoiler [changing vote] + On May 19 2015 06:06 Zealos wrote: As for Dandreds useless posts: None of these posts for me push any town agenda at all. Futhermore twice in a row he's talking about how easy the game is. I dunno, its not like a super mafia tell, but it just seems like something a town player would be spamming What do you find unsatisfactory about his explanations? They seem believable to me. I specifically like the fact that he was able to point to specific posts of Damdred that he did not like, which were subsequent to his initial vote on Palmar, and made him change his mind. Also, what specific "lurkers" would you suggest we lynch into? | ||
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On May 19 2015 12:29 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I couldn't the answer to the question I asked Shocky. @Obi He just said he hasn't played on these forums in ~5 years. I don't think he ever said whether or not he played on other forums. I can only assume he misunderstood your question. So what do you think on Shocky? Want to lynch? | ||
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sciberbia
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So have you finished catching up with the thread? Are you planning to vote for anyone you want to lynch or what? | ||
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On May 19 2015 13:36 Oatsmaster wrote: Palmar scum. Yup. [b]##vote Palmar[b] Also zealos is scum. Vivax maybe, useless posts. and 'risk''? why does that even mean man. meh, the only thing stopping me is assassination was similar in terms of activity. @Oats Why is Zealos scum? And what happened to me and damdred being scummy? P.S. please put your vote in the voting thread | ||
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On May 13 2015 12:58 Fecalfeast wrote: Play to win. This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. | ||
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