Assassination Mafia!

On May 10 2015 09:50 batsnacks wrote:
17. Sui / Following

above TUI THE JOYOUS, LAKE
below CHêN THE AROUSING, THUNDER

The trigram Tui, the Joyous, whose attribute is gladness, is above; Chên, the
Arousing, which has the attribute of movement, is below. Joy in movement
induces following. The Joyous is the youngest daughter, while the Arousing
is the eldest son. An older man defers to a young girl and shows her
consideration. By this he moves her to follow him.

THE JUDGMENT

FOLLOWING has supreme success.
Perseverance furthers. No blame.

In order to obtain a following one must first know how to adapt oneself. If a
man would rule he must first learn to serve, for only in this way does he
secure from those below him the joyous assent that is necessary if they are to
follow him. If he has to obtain a following by force or cunning, by conspiracy
or by creating faction, he invariably arouses resistance, which obstructs
willing adherence. But even joyous movement can lead to evil
consequences, hence the added stipulation, "Perseverance furthers" --that is,
consistency in doing right-- together with "No blame." Just as we should not
ask others to follow us unless this condition is fulfilled, so it is only under
this condition that we can in turn follow others without coming to harm.
The thought of obtaining a following through adaptation to the demands of
the time is a great and significant idea; this is why the appended judgment is
so favorable.

THE IMAGE

Thunder in the middle of the lake:
The image of FOLLOWING.
Thus the superior man at nightfall
Goes indoors for rest and recuperation.

In the autumn electricity withdraws into the earth again and rests. Here it is
the thunder in the middle of the lake that serves as the image--thunder in its
winter rest, not thunder in motion. The idea of following in the sense of
adaptation to the demands of the time grows out of this image. Thunder in
the middle of the lake indicates times of darkness and rest. Similarly, a
superior man, after being tirelessly active all day, allows himself rest and
recuperation at night. No situation can become favorable until one is able to
adapt to it and does not wear himself out with mistaken resistance.

THE LINES

°Nine at the beginning means:
The standard is changing.
Perseverance brings good fortune.
To go out of the door in company
Produces deeds.

There are exceptional conditions in which the relation between leader and
followers changes. It is implicit in the idea of following and adaptation that if
one wants to lead others, one must remain accessible and responsive to the
views of those under him. At the same time, however, he must have firm
principles, so that he does not vacillate where there is only a question of
current opinion. Once we are ready to listen to the opinions of others, we
must not associate exclusively with people who share our views or with
members of our own party; instead, we must go out and mingle freely with
all sorts of people, friends or foes. That is the only way to achieve something.

°Nine in the fifth place means:
Sincere in the good. Good fortune.

Every man must have something he follows--something that serves him as a
lodestar. He who follows with conviction the beautiful and the good may feel
himself strengthened by this saying.

°Six at the top means:
He meets with firm allegiance
And is still further bound.
The king introduces him
To the Western Mountain.

This refers to a man, an exalted sage, who has already put the turmoil of the
world behind him. But a follower appears who understands him and is not
to be put off. So the sage comes back into the world and aids the other in his
work. Thus there develops an eternal tie between the two.
The allegory is chosen from the annals of the Chou dynasty. The rulers of
this dynasty honored men who had served them well by awarding them a
place in the royal family's temple of ancestors on the Western Mountain. In
this way they were regarded as sharing in the destiny of the ruling family.

On May 12 2015 00:13 marvellosity wrote:

yeah I mentioned myself that I don't think shooting it down asap was a good play at all.

I think to answer your question (in amongst the double negatives) - if BM is mafia, it doesn't necessarily make BH town. but it would point that way (i assume if BH is mafia then mafia is afraid of town nukers and therefore wouldn't waste an anti-nuke on a scumbuddy's nuke)

On May 12 2015 00:41 LightningStrike wrote:

Geript is banned I think so therefore it's tehppofter.

On May 12 2015 02:54 yamato77 wrote:

talk to me tina

you've been ignoring me

and I had you as town >_>

On May 12 2015 07:10 yamato77 wrote:

you do look scummy, onegu

On May 12 2015 06:53 rsoultin wrote:
24/60

bm, i think you're town, dude. so talk to me yeah? i know i've called you stupid but i actually can see your read on truffle pretty clearly (don't agree with it but that's more of a i really, really know truffle very well sorta thing), and while i don't quite get the marv nuke that's neither here nor there for me at this point

i liked what you pointed out about onegu and i don't think we should lynch you or shoot you. what are your other reads?

On May 12 2015 03:11 rsoultin wrote:
15/60

okay to be more clear why oneg is giving me the icks includes not just a similar take on his tone that marv got but also a couple things that naturally mean more to me than other people -_-

- the overexplained everything...he's more the fuck you i'm gonna do what i want type, at least in most of the games i've played with him, though the one newbie game he was more serious which is why i'm trying to get hts' input (i pay less attention than i should when i'm scum lol)

- secondly, i recently asked him why he always scumreads me every game. which actually isn't true; it just felt like it recently because of guardians where the twit fake-claimed mason with scum rayn while flaming me all game lol >< couple that with the "obligatory" and it almost seems like he's doing it just to ascribe to "meta" that actually isn't really true anyway, just me being sensitive xP

- third, he genuinely believes i'm one of the best people at reading him, yet that's not part of his scumread. it was like the central point of his read when i was scum in student VII (and why he had so much trouble getting people to actually pay attention, i might add). not seeing the OMGUS you always get my alignment right but you're WRONG and therefore SCUM response here. if anything it should be stronger cause i actually did flip scum

On May 12 2015 07:20 rsoultin wrote:


think
think
think

why does scum go hunting for traitor? as i understand it, they don't know who it is, and so would have no way of knowing if you're trying to soft it, and frankly you'd have to be more bold about it anyway so that's a shit defense to begin with oooooneeeeegu

he doesn't have to be right for me to like that he pointed it out

all you're quoting is me thinking that push makes him look more townie. if i'm scum it's not because of that. grow some brain cells. or keep at it if you're scum xD it'll just make it easier for me to lynch you

On May 12 2015 07:30 rsoultin wrote:
36/60

okay lol >< that matches up with my feels on him...i liked the initial pulling stutters in post that i quoted but frankly i can't think of anything else that stands out to me that i actually liked about xata o.0

and right now i just want to kill onegu because he's pissing me off, so more time might not be a bad idea -_-

-chunks virtual rocks at onegu's head- don't think i need to begin to explain how you seemingly not giving a fuck now when i said it was a towntell for you means ABSOLUTELY ZERO...and the <3s have like absolutely nothing to do with it since it's just a thing that i don't like

i'd really like you to pull your head out your ass and be townie for me if i'm wrong but instead you're being a shit -_-

ahem

i'll lynch xata with you, damdy; let me just double-check his filter real quick in case there's something i'm not remembering?

On May 12 2015 07:47 Bill Murray wrote:

you don't think trfel is town?

i have been calling him town since i noticed hes actively lurking


Theres no point pushing something that won't get anything done.


you know i have had you as a town read all game

but im an idiot

an idiot that can read you


Onegu has claimed scum openly.
I'm 90% sure Onegu is scum


you mean BM


how is openly claiming traitor really a bad strategy?

You get called out on it, you WIFOM and say you were kidding, exactly what you're doing here.


you also directly said you werent traitor. wnat me to quote that too??

it just all adds up to being fishy


no my point isnt that you "claimed traitor"
my point is that you claimed traitor.
you literally claimed traitor.


In no way am I claiming mafia. I'm claiming BH is mafia. BH, Marv, and Palmar are my top 3 suspects.


Onegu has resorted to Appealing to emotion


thank god someone agreed with me

On May 12 2015 07:46 KelsierSC wrote:
Onegu, what do you think about the names being thrown about today

xat, TD, BM , LS, vivax

be good to hear what you get if you still have brain cells

On May 12 2015 08:16 TalkingDead wrote:

Can you explain why you think this?

On May 12 2015 11:35 Bill Murray wrote:
Been catching up on some pages I've missed. I'm a little bit behind on reading. I am going to go back and fill in the blanks with what we need to do to win this game. Well, if I get to live long enough to do anything to help you guys.

Trfel, I wish we could be friends. There are just some differences between us. I want to point something out, and it's another reason I don't like your play. Trfel, you take thread sentiment (Cases on Xatalos, Onegu) and you pass it off as if you created them.
Your case on Xatalos is probably coming from Rsoultin
Your case on Onegu would probably be less of a reach than if it was coming from me
Your case on me is regurgitated from TD.

Just don't take that too harsh. I'm sorry I have a nuke going at you, potentially, but it is what it is.

I can't figure out LightningStrike this game at all. Onegu could very well be scum, maybe there is something to the Xatalos push. I could see myself lynching a less active player as well.

The lynches (other than Bill Murray) that I think I'm most willing to support are Xatalos and Onegu.

On May 13 2015 11:02 GlowingBear wrote:
For what I've counted, I slightly exceeded post count.
I need people to give me posts. Just three more are okay.

I'm not putting any content in here because I don't want to be unfair and keep exceeding post count. This is just a "begging"

On May 14 2015 03:15 LightningStrike wrote:

I had a strong scumread on Vivax but then I reconsidered later because he started to look very townie and tried to switch Xata since I liked KSC's case on him and other people also thought he was scum and so I tried to change my vote to Xata but for some reason mods didn't see my vote switch at all....... I still think Xata is scum along with Oats, and BH. Again you keep misrepresenting me on my meta because I did try to look for scum as both alignments..................................................................................................................... I mean check out JOAT and Guardians when I was scum............................

On May 14 2015 03:13 rsoultin wrote:


79/79

Someone bothered to read it! \o/ Blazinghand and to a lesser extent VE clearly didn't, but that's okay. I realize that um...reading is like, hard. And stuff. Apparently. Or I'm just boring when I'm not giving people head cancer.

Why don't you actually give some reads? I'm bored with your wrong scumread on me, and I already have LS as my weakest townlean for practically the same reason you just cited, so that's boring, too.

Do you have anything new? Lots of stuff happened, but you're not talking about any of it? Do you have any comments about the content of the novel I wrote regarding Marvellosity and Blazinghand, or are you just going to pick a random sentence to demonstrate that you read it?

I'm willing to keep trying to figure out your alignment. I'm not convinced that you're trying to figure out mine at all. You may be a tunneled town (you've done it with me before) but if so...can you pretend for a moment that you might be wrong and discuss this game with me so that if I'm wrong I can move on to real scum?

Please and thank you!

On May 14 2015 04:10 LightningStrike wrote:


Read my latest scum games in Jack of all Trades and Guardians and look XXX and Student VII for a quick sample of my town games.
XXX: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/479775-xxx-mini-mafia-a-night-of-debauchery-18?user=lightningstrike
Student VIII: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/483087-newbie-student-mafia-viii?user=LightningStrike
Jack of all Trades: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476732-jack-of-all-trades-mafia?user=LightningStrike
Guardains: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480042-tl-mafia-lxx-guardians-of-the-galaxy?user=LightningStrike

On May 14 2015 04:27 LightningStrike wrote:

........................................... Entertain me bro make a case if you think I scum.

On May 14 2015 14:37 yamato77 wrote:

just because he wasn't mafia doesn't mean it was bad

I mean, yes, it could have been someone else, but whatever

now we can move past BH and actually have a good lynch

I think it should be onegu

everyone talk about onegu

On May 14 2015 15:15 Trfel wrote:
Tonally, this sounds really, really bad to me.

Onegu, what do you think about:
GlowingBear executing Blazinghand
The mason circle
yamato77
justanothertownie

On May 15 2015 05:37 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay I going to vote Onegu he knows I don't claim a power role as scum since I only had claimed VT as scum in all my games as scum and the fact he's ignoring that and the fact he haven't looked into other people clearly he trying to mislynch me and I think he's mafia for this.
##Vote: Onegu

On May 15 2015 05:27 Half the Sky wrote:
19/60

LS claims anything and everything as both alignments. Gameplay? Absolutely horrible in comparison to his townplay and not like his town gameplay.

Although the irony with you Onegu is that I explained (aside from Ras's case) why you aren't looking great to me now, even if LS was fakeclaiming there are still at least two scum left (I'm going to assume at least one of Xatalos or JAT is scum) so the fact you aren't breaking ground on anyone else doesn't look good at all or at least trying to legitimately PoE people or whatever, yeh.

Not to mention JAT is getting nuked, so regardless of his alignment, you're the main wagon. So if you are town, you need to re-read the thread and find some scumreads or you'll be another mislynch if you are.

Marv, Palmar has WIFOMed people of both alignments as both alignments (I'm pretty sure that is gramatically correct English). He's done this before as scum, so I'm not putting too much weight on his filter just because of the way he's mentioned people as one alignment, both alignments, even harder pushes, and in the past I've been wrong on what he's meant.

Yamato, I don't think what Bats did makes him scum. When he voted Sandroba, he did it in a way that he drew more suspicion to himself (his "claiming") than those he scumread for not picking up on the pleb comment. That's probably more in line with town play, and when he said those three reads were town reads, he didn't explain why and now it makes sense. LS (if true) and I each claimed on our own terms (independently of what Bats said) and BH has flipped blue.

I'm working on a theory (as I look into TD to make sure I don't miss anything) that KSC is town.

Obi, would like to know what other than the question dodging makes him better lynch than Onegu.

On May 15 2015 06:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
In more relevant events, I'd say that Onegu ignoring LS's claim and trying to lynch him anyway is a spectacular reason to lynch him.

On May 16 2015 07:14 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm torn between Onegu, Oats and Obi.

my read on oats I am not particularly confident in, it was mainly based on his sniping of me around EOD and his voting of me and rudeness.

with obi I think he's mafia but some other people think he's town, I don't really feel confident on this.

With onegu he hasn't offered anything memorable to the game and has a minimal contribution, I liked the case that HtS brought up against him and I think that the vote EOD looks poor for him as he was deliberately not on either of the two town wagons , like palmar.
Another more long term reason is that it will give me more information about obi and the state of the game right now, if onegu is mafia it probably means we have hit more mafia due to his lack of resistance to the lynch and his apparent low morale.

##vote onegu