• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 14:05
CEST 20:05
KST 03:05
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins Maestros of the Game 211ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7
Community News
MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon315.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes35Weekly Cups (June 22-28): Zergs thrive in new patch5[TLMC] Summer 2026 Ladder Map Rotation05.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)99
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (June 22-28): Zergs thrive in new patch Serral wins Maestros of the Game 2 MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon 5.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes HomeStory Cup In Early July
Tourneys
HomeStory Cup 29 Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28) Vespene Cup #1 — $300+ USD, July 10 Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery Mutation # 530 One For All
Brood War
General
Farewell Beloved Starcraft (Youtube Videos) BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool Starcraft vs Retro Category on Twitch
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 The Casual Games of the Week Thread [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Grand Finals
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies Why doesn't anyone use restoration?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV Summer Games Done Quick 2026! ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Power Rank Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Men's Fashion Thread
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard? Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Listen To The Coaches!
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 10834 users

Assassination Mafia! - Page 6

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 4 5 6 7 Next All
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
May 14 2015 01:59 GMT
#1736
On May 14 2015 10:52 TalkingDead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2015 10:40 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 14 2015 10:39 TalkingDead wrote:
On May 14 2015 10:36 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm shooting no one until the kingmaker claims

You're an idiot. Even if you got the ability from scum, who cares?


It means my reads are wrong

Dumbass

Which is all the more reason to use it as a policy vig shot. KSC suggesting RoL as the execute is the most sensible thing he's said all game. If it came from town, then maybe they have more. Plus if it came from town then maybe they have more. Idk. Ether way policy shot is good.


2/60

agreed

much as i'm like \o/ marv is scum! and i still believe he is, though i need to look at his interactions with palmar...i do remember them being kind of weird but i don't know if that was in a one is scum or both are scum kind of way :/

eh

i'm being rambly

marv could possibly maybe just slightly be town and until i revisit him i would not want to kill him because he's marv. that is the best way to put it

and if anything i think blazinghand actually has a slightly better chance of being town than marv does

the people who aren't posting and aren't contributing will always be question marks. it should probably be used as a regular vig shot
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
May 14 2015 05:15 GMT
#1797
3/60

i'd ask bats why he doesn't want to kill jat first...personally i think it's very chivalrous of jat to stand up for obvious town rsoul but that doesn't make him town :/
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
May 14 2015 05:48 GMT
#1811
4/60

...well then

i'd say lynch onegu but i suck at life so maybe we should do the opposite of what i think -_-
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
May 14 2015 06:05 GMT
#1814
5/60

On May 12 2015 03:11 rsoultin wrote:
15/60

okay to be more clear why oneg is giving me the icks includes not just a similar take on his tone that marv got but also a couple things that naturally mean more to me than other people -_-

- the overexplained everything...he's more the fuck you i'm gonna do what i want type, at least in most of the games i've played with him, though the one newbie game he was more serious which is why i'm trying to get hts' input (i pay less attention than i should when i'm scum lol)

- secondly, i recently asked him why he always scumreads me every game. which actually isn't true; it just felt like it recently because of guardians where the twit fake-claimed mason with scum rayn while flaming me all game lol >< couple that with the "obligatory" and it almost seems like he's doing it just to ascribe to "meta" that actually isn't really true anyway, just me being sensitive xP

- third, he genuinely believes i'm one of the best people at reading him, yet that's not part of his scumread. it was like the central point of his read when i was scum in student VII (and why he had so much trouble getting people to actually pay attention, i might add). not seeing the OMGUS you always get my alignment right but you're WRONG and therefore SCUM response here. if anything it should be stronger cause i actually did flip scum


this is obviously pretty stale now...but all he really seemed to want to talk about last night was two reads and he hasn't been around today at all since the phase started...i dunnae, i'm kinda in a...i suck at life sorta mood so lol >< i think i need to filter-dive him again at some point just to make sure i'm not insane
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
May 14 2015 14:00 GMT
#1842
6/60

lol, it's a blue flood! \o/

(so, um, likelihood bm was town is like minimal at this point, lol >< but does anyone else have a little trouble with the sheer number of claims raining down?)
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
May 14 2015 14:04 GMT
#1845
On May 14 2015 23:02 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2015 23:00 rsoultin wrote:
6/60

lol, it's a blue flood! \o/

(so, um, likelihood bm was town is like minimal at this point, lol >< but does anyone else have a little trouble with the sheer number of claims raining down?)

YOU!
ungrateful bitch


<3?

i did say they should wait for bats? you're in my null category. i'm sorry :/ i'm used to you having more of a thread presence as town but that's mostly feeeeeeels when apparently are not good things to rellllyyyyy on lol :/
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
May 14 2015 14:08 GMT
#1847
On May 08 2015 23:21 rsoultin wrote:
yay pre-game excuses!

may 14-19 i have family in and will be out of town for part of it so...yeah, activity will be down

course if we start tonight and i'm still alive by then you may want to lynch me anyway lolol >< (though maybe not with this player list xP)


8/50

btw, this is now officially in effect. bro comes in in the next two hours, so yeah i'll be as present as is reasonable

who should we lynch, jat?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
May 14 2015 14:10 GMT
#1849
On May 14 2015 23:06 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2015 23:04 rsoultin wrote:
On May 14 2015 23:02 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 14 2015 23:00 rsoultin wrote:
6/60

lol, it's a blue flood! \o/

(so, um, likelihood bm was town is like minimal at this point, lol >< but does anyone else have a little trouble with the sheer number of claims raining down?)

YOU!
ungrateful bitch


<3?

i did say they should wait for bats? you're in my null category. i'm sorry :/ i'm used to you having more of a thread presence as town but that's mostly feeeeeeels when apparently are not good things to rellllyyyyy on lol :/

I will just streeeetch my woooords toooo to get on your leeeeevel. One would expect you would be able to townread me. More thread presence in a post restricted game where I already went over the limit by a good margin.
<3 my ass


9/50

yeah well lol that would require filter-diving and/or being a clearly better player than i am so \o/ i imagine bats has a reason and i imagine i know what that reason is however i don't recall specifically why he'd think that and i haven't double-checked yet :/ maybe i should. it's not happening right this second though lol
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
May 14 2015 14:11 GMT
#1851
On May 14 2015 23:08 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2015 23:08 rsoultin wrote:
On May 08 2015 23:21 rsoultin wrote:
yay pre-game excuses!

may 14-19 i have family in and will be out of town for part of it so...yeah, activity will be down

course if we start tonight and i'm still alive by then you may want to lynch me anyway lolol >< (though maybe not with this player list xP)


8/50

btw, this is now officially in effect. bro comes in in the next two hours, so yeah i'll be as present as is reasonable

who should we lynch, jat?

Why don't we start with you ungrateful one.


10/50

if you can get it rolling, have fun? it wouldn't help town win, though xP salty

i'll check back later. more important things to do lol
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
May 14 2015 14:15 GMT
#1854
On May 14 2015 23:12 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2015 23:11 rsoultin wrote:
On May 14 2015 23:08 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 14 2015 23:08 rsoultin wrote:
On May 08 2015 23:21 rsoultin wrote:
yay pre-game excuses!

may 14-19 i have family in and will be out of town for part of it so...yeah, activity will be down

course if we start tonight and i'm still alive by then you may want to lynch me anyway lolol >< (though maybe not with this player list xP)


8/50

btw, this is now officially in effect. bro comes in in the next two hours, so yeah i'll be as present as is reasonable

who should we lynch, jat?

Why don't we start with you ungrateful one.


10/50

if you can get it rolling, have fun? it wouldn't help town win, though xP salty

i'll check back later. more important things to do lol

I am pretty sure I can. Without a problem.


11/50

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

if you've got a real reason i'll address it. otherwise, whatever

i'm more interested in you know actual possible scum you want to lynch

or thoughts on my initial how the hell are there so many blue claims question

but you know

you can keep wasting your time that's fine xP

it might well be your wincon to lynch me anyway if you can change your opinion that fast over nothing -salutes-
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
May 14 2015 14:20 GMT
#1857
On May 14 2015 23:17 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2015 23:15 rsoultin wrote:
On May 14 2015 23:12 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 14 2015 23:11 rsoultin wrote:
On May 14 2015 23:08 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 14 2015 23:08 rsoultin wrote:
On May 08 2015 23:21 rsoultin wrote:
yay pre-game excuses!

may 14-19 i have family in and will be out of town for part of it so...yeah, activity will be down

course if we start tonight and i'm still alive by then you may want to lynch me anyway lolol >< (though maybe not with this player list xP)


8/50

btw, this is now officially in effect. bro comes in in the next two hours, so yeah i'll be as present as is reasonable

who should we lynch, jat?

Why don't we start with you ungrateful one.


10/50

if you can get it rolling, have fun? it wouldn't help town win, though xP salty

i'll check back later. more important things to do lol

I am pretty sure I can. Without a problem.


11/50

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

if you've got a real reason i'll address it. otherwise, whatever

i'm more interested in you know actual possible scum you want to lynch

or thoughts on my initial how the hell are there so many blue claims question

but you know

you can keep wasting your time that's fine xP

it might well be your wincon to lynch me anyway if you can change your opinion that fast over nothing -salutes-

I want to lynch you = I want to lynch actual possible scum.


12/50

clearly not ^^
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
May 14 2015 14:23 GMT
#1859
13/50

that was brilliant if it's real lol enjoy the fall-out xP
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
May 14 2015 14:26 GMT
#1861
On May 14 2015 23:24 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2015 23:23 rsoultin wrote:
13/50

that was brilliant if it's real lol enjoy the fall-out xP

That's all you have to say? I already know about my own brilliance.


14/50

what? you expected more? i think it's hilarious that you may have just shot a townie...and frankly i didn't have much time to play anyway so neener neener neener xP

-shakes tail feathers at-
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
May 14 2015 14:32 GMT
#1867
On May 14 2015 23:28 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2015 23:26 rsoultin wrote:
On May 14 2015 23:24 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 14 2015 23:23 rsoultin wrote:
13/50

that was brilliant if it's real lol enjoy the fall-out xP

That's all you have to say? I already know about my own brilliance.


14/50

what? you expected more? i think it's hilarious that you may have just shot a townie...and frankly i didn't have much time to play anyway so neener neener neener xP

-shakes tail feathers at-

Ruuuuuude.
Very unlikely that I shot town. I rarely do.I shot mafia 5/6 times as a vig. And that's not counting the one time I was roleblocked while gunning for mafia and the fake vigshot on mafia in aperture.

So you are scum by probability.


15/50

except you know the small, perhaps insignificant -cough- fact that i got this lovely role pm that says otherwise xP apart from practically being confirmed town anyway...oh and like the only people who actually think i'm scum are like...onegu lol

i hope you're scum and i hope they lynch you for shooting me and that i can laugh from the obs qt after i graduate...an awesome graduation present ^^

and if you're town well...then you're just more stupid than 90% of the players here. enjoy that
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
May 14 2015 14:37 GMT
#1870
16/50

pssssst jat you do realize that pretending you're 100% sure i'm scum will not actually convince people you're not scum when i flip yeah? xP
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
May 14 2015 14:41 GMT
#1873
17/50

:/ i'm actually sad. it would have been fun to watch you get lynched form the obs qt for a nonsensical 180 like that
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
May 14 2015 14:44 GMT
#1875
18/50

i'm obviously town -yawns- you were so sure of it you were all white-knighting wonder! then you don't like that i'm not townreading you and grrrr ise gonna shoot you scum! yeah that's just silly lol
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
May 14 2015 15:26 GMT
#1878
Lol sure. jat with the ego the size of a small country thinking as town that the only way he can catch a scum rsoul is on spontaneous feels after townreading her all game. very believable xP

Lol pls tell me the shots for real would so make my day
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
May 14 2015 15:37 GMT
#1880
20/50

onto a much more interesting question than whether or not jat's scum or just an imbecile

VE says "hey guys, i was in "town" qt with marv, sandy and palmar!"

deaths last night

- damdred
- sandroba
- palmar

...oh but marv is conf!town lolol

town!marv claimed in qt to scum!palmar and he's not dead...not only is that ridiculously unbelievable, but that VE thinks this makes sense?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
May 14 2015 15:45 GMT
#1884
On May 15 2015 00:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
Can you maybe sum that up paragraphically? I'm not sure what your problem with what I've posted is. What is unbelievable?


21/50

you know i really can't tell if i just think supremely differently than the rest of the world or i'm speaking swahili

you claim that you were in a "mason" qt with marvellosity, flipped scum palmar, and flipped town sandroba, do you not?

then scum apparently chooses to kill damdred and sandroba

and the conclusion you draw from that is that marvellosity is confirmed town?

palmar and marv weren't getting along in thread. palmar is not going to influence marvellosity that way. he should be dead if your story is true.

or he's very likely scum

yet the conclusion that you draw from it is that scum knows he's a mason and chose not to kill one of the best town players on the site xP
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Prev 1 4 5 6 7 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
HomeStory Cup
11:00
XXIX - Group Stage Day 1
TaKeTV3673
ComeBackTV 1072
TaKeSeN 343
IndyStarCraft 298
SteadfastSC298
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SteadfastSC 298
IndyStarCraft 298
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 22616
Mini 1206
Shuttle 694
ggaemo 205
actioN 174
Free 43
Aegong 26
910 26
Rock 20
HiyA 17
[ Show more ]
IntoTheRainbow 16
NaDa 15
Bale 11
Dota 2
Gorgc1455
Counter-Strike
fl0m1876
kRYSTAL_56
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King83
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu2
Other Games
Grubby2205
B2W.Neo456
Hui .165
KnowMe143
C9.Mang0110
Trikslyr80
ArmadaUGS80
ToD72
UpATreeSC29
JuggernautJason16
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream176
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 68
• mYiSmile131
• IndyKCrew
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix11
• Michael_bg 10
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis4648
• TFBlade1004
Other Games
• imaqtpie721
• Shiphtur491
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
5h 55m
HomeStory Cup
16h 55m
Replay Cast
1d 5h
HomeStory Cup
1d 16h
OSC
1d 18h
WardiTV Weekly
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
CrankTV Team League
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
[ Show More ]
CrankTV Team League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

YSL S3
Douyu Cup 2026
Murky Cup 2026

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
SCTL 2026 Spring
HSC XXIX
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026

Upcoming

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
Escore Tournament S3: W2
ASL Season 22:Wild Card Qualifier
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Eternal Conflict S2 E2
Heroes Pulsing #3
Eternal Conflict S2 E1
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.