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On May 12 2015 06:25 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 04:02 Trfel wrote:On May 12 2015 03:55 Bill Murray wrote:On May 12 2015 03:54 TalkingDead wrote:On May 11 2015 22:00 Bill Murray wrote:
##nuke: Marvellosity On May 11 2015 22:00 Bill Murray wrote:
##unvote
##vote: TalkingDead Pretty interesting that he takes time to make sure he can launch a nuke this time. And Stutters you're right, he wasn't. I was thinking of last votecount. yeah i was going to clarify that for you, but trfel instantly responded to my proving it to you... because he is ac... wait he was actively lurking as town last game too... maybe he is town... Can you prove the bolded? Bill Murray, can you please respond to this?
way to ninja me
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On May 12 2015 04:00 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2015 09:05 Onegu wrote:
Im Town GRUMBLE GRUMBLE... My previous 46% is taking a hit. Im not happy about this one bit... really? Show nested quote +On May 10 2015 09:54 Onegu wrote:On May 10 2015 09:50 batsnacks wrote:
17. Sui / Following
above TUI THE JOYOUS, LAKE
below CHêN THE AROUSING, THUNDER
The trigram Tui, the Joyous, whose attribute is gladness, is above; Chên, the
Arousing, which has the attribute of movement, is below. Joy in movement
induces following. The Joyous is the youngest daughter, while the Arousing
is the eldest son. An older man defers to a young girl and shows her
consideration. By this he moves her to follow him.
THE JUDGMENT
FOLLOWING has supreme success.
Perseverance furthers. No blame.
In order to obtain a following one must first know how to adapt oneself. If a
man would rule he must first learn to serve, for only in this way does he
secure from those below him the joyous assent that is necessary if they are to
follow him. If he has to obtain a following by force or cunning, by conspiracy
or by creating faction, he invariably arouses resistance, which obstructs
willing adherence. But even joyous movement can lead to evil
consequences, hence the added stipulation, "Perseverance furthers" --that is,
consistency in doing right-- together with "No blame." Just as we should not
ask others to follow us unless this condition is fulfilled, so it is only under
this condition that we can in turn follow others without coming to harm.
The thought of obtaining a following through adaptation to the demands of
the time is a great and significant idea; this is why the appended judgment is
so favorable.
THE IMAGE
Thunder in the middle of the lake:
The image of FOLLOWING.
Thus the superior man at nightfall
Goes indoors for rest and recuperation.
In the autumn electricity withdraws into the earth again and rests. Here it is
the thunder in the middle of the lake that serves as the image--thunder in its
winter rest, not thunder in motion. The idea of following in the sense of
adaptation to the demands of the time grows out of this image. Thunder in
the middle of the lake indicates times of darkness and rest. Similarly, a
superior man, after being tirelessly active all day, allows himself rest and
recuperation at night. No situation can become favorable until one is able to
adapt to it and does not wear himself out with mistaken resistance.
THE LINES
°Nine at the beginning means:
The standard is changing.
Perseverance brings good fortune.
To go out of the door in company
Produces deeds.
There are exceptional conditions in which the relation between leader and
followers changes. It is implicit in the idea of following and adaptation that if
one wants to lead others, one must remain accessible and responsive to the
views of those under him. At the same time, however, he must have firm
principles, so that he does not vacillate where there is only a question of
current opinion. Once we are ready to listen to the opinions of others, we
must not associate exclusively with people who share our views or with
members of our own party; instead, we must go out and mingle freely with
all sorts of people, friends or foes. That is the only way to achieve something.
°Nine in the fifth place means:
Sincere in the good. Good fortune.
Every man must have something he follows--something that serves him as a
lodestar. He who follows with conviction the beautiful and the good may feel
himself strengthened by this saying.
°Six at the top means:
He meets with firm allegiance
And is still further bound.
The king introduces him
To the Western Mountain.
This refers to a man, an exalted sage, who has already put the turmoil of the
world behind him. But a follower appears who understands him and is not
to be put off. So the sage comes back into the world and aids the other in his
work. Thus there develops an eternal tie between the two.
The allegory is chosen from the annals of the Chou dynasty. The rulers of
this dynasty honored men who had served them well by awarding them a
place in the royal family's temple of ancestors on the Western Mountain. In
this way they were regarded as sharing in the destiny of the ruling family. I have... No... Idea... What... IS.... Going... On... ok? Show nested quote +On May 10 2015 09:57 Onegu wrote:
Man I really hope I get the traitor just realized I can get that. Then I can be scum!!! ......REALLY? this is what I was talking about Show nested quote +On May 10 2015 14:23 Onegu wrote:
Im going to waste posts on a N0 where we arent going to lynch anyone anyway. So suck it. And +1 to Bats. ^ Im drinking... come on. Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 05:13 Onegu wrote:@ TalkingDead Traitor is totes in this game... Read OP, but I cant be it because I didnt read hapas post... @rsoul Acknowledging you, But this is like my 6th straight town game  @GB I always want to roll scum, well known fact. @yamato did you roll scum again? @bats you really expected me to understand that lol... And then you expected ONEGU to comprehend it lol nice. @LS ignoring me @everyone else <3 I AM ONEGU!!! such an in depth post of analysis here from onegu... not. iioa Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 01:20 Onegu wrote:
Yup Id still sheep him, Someone smart once said learning to sheep is a very good mafia skill. Dont agree with him on BH but yeah id sheep him still Read that bolded. I didn't want to out this for fear of helping mafia find him but onegu is 100% the traitor
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Onegu has actually literally claimed Traitor
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On May 12 2015 06:27 Trfel wrote:
Well then, please go ahead and do so?
youre voting me, no.
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Same as last game... you're pressured, or someone pops in you want to berate/misrepresent... and then when the heat gets too hot in the kitchen poof you're gone
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On April 20 2015 00:34 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 00:23 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On April 19 2015 15:57 scott31337 wrote:On April 19 2015 15:50 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:I mean YUROP TOO STRONG TO DIE  Do you have any reads? No, I don't have any reads yet. TheBloodyDwarf, for future reference, there's only really one good answer to that question ("do you have any reads"). You always have to have reads. However, it's assumed that the strength of the read is related to the length of the game. At this point, reads right now aren't very strong at all, the importance of making reads now is to use them as a talking point later. For example, look at my play this game. - I have one of the longer filters in this game so far (shorter than scott31337's filter), but most of these posts were non-conclusive reads or (bad) jokes
- I made an extremely long post including a guide on scumhunting
- I provided reads on most players in the game
- Anything else that I did that you feel is important
What do each of these three things suggest about my alignment? Often, it depends on how I did these things, not just what I did. For example, to use my reads on players to determine my alignment, you should examine my reads themselves and figure out what that says about me. If you're still stuck, I'll put a possible answer in spoiler below. + Show Spoiler [my example] +The first point doesn't suggest anything of its own. Long filter isn't really alignment indicative, especially this early in the game. However, you can see that I have been attempting (only somewhat successfully) to further the discussion in this game, which is slightly towny.
My long post isn't alignment indicative. I wrote half of it after knowing my alignment, but I was planning on doing it before, anyway. Perhaps a very good tone reader could read me based on my post, but even that is doubtful.
I can't judge my own reads. Obviously I agree with them, but Damdred seems to disagree and says that they make me scummy. This is widely open to interpretation.
The Shining commented on my missing one of his jokes, and said that this suggested meant I was a scum lean. This is an example of something that isn't normally important, but can be used to try and make a read.
And the end result is up to how much you weigh your answers to all of these different points. Which again, is based on what you feel is important and what isn't. The Shining and Damdred both conclude that I am scummy, to some degree.
... you post...early on in the game, unlike this one
On April 20 2015 01:08 Bill Murray wrote:
##Vote: trfel
i vote you 34 minutes later
On April 20 2015 01:09 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 00:32 Damdred wrote:
What do you think of truffle ignoring me ls Okay, Damdred. Now that LightningStrike has answered, what is your answer? And Bill Murray, could you please provide a reason for your vote?
you come in with a whiny toned question exactly like you're doing here:
On May 12 2015 06:27 Trfel wrote:
Well then, please go ahead and do so?
On May 12 2015 06:30 Trfel wrote:
Bill Murray, if you are not lynched today, who would you nuke?
Which fits in with the exact way you just popped up multiple times in this thread. You're inactive, get pressured, increase your activity.
I pop into the thread, and bam, you literally ninja me before I can even finish reading and responding to things
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On May 12 2015 06:30 Trfel wrote:
Bill Murray, if you are not lynched today, who would you nuke?
noone
blazinghand is going to just anti nuke all my nukes
my role is pointless
i dont even feel like playing at this point
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i am busy soulsearching, damdred
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i am basically worthless at this point. i was just fucking with trfel earlier. i dont have any nukes left. thats why im really ticked off right now/depressed
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i dont want some confirmation bias stigma to plague me in mylo/lylo to where people are going to lynch me for trying to have fun D1 this game. basically go ahead and, in the wise words of LSB, "policy lynch BM"
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On May 12 2015 06:49 GlowingBear wrote:
BH explain to me why stopping truffles nuke immediately but asking permission for Palmar to stop it against marv.
because palmar and marv are both mafia with BH like ive already said
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Onegu is traitor too
just need to find 2 more mafia. looking @ xatalos/talkingdead/vivax
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I'm at 3 pages so I have to quit posting unless someone wants to donate me some posts.
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On May 12 2015 06:53 rsoultin wrote:
24/60
bm, i think you're town, dude. so talk to me yeah? i know i've called you stupid but i actually can see your read on truffle pretty clearly (don't agree with it but that's more of a i really, really know truffle very well sorta thing), and while i don't quite get the marv nuke that's neither here nor there for me at this point
i liked what you pointed out about onegu and i don't think we should lynch you or shoot you. what are your other reads?
you don't think trfel is town?
i have been calling him town since i noticed hes actively lurking
On May 12 2015 06:53 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 06:50 Bill Murray wrote:On May 12 2015 06:49 GlowingBear wrote:
BH explain to me why stopping truffles nuke immediately but asking permission for Palmar to stop it against marv. because palmar and marv are both mafia with BH like ive already said Tell me you're kidding here. I have a town read on you but I might rescind if you really mean to push this
Theres no point pushing something that won't get anything done.
On May 12 2015 07:03 KelsierSC wrote:
why is anyone giving posts to this idiot?
bh is town , stopping nukes hitting marv is a pro town move.
you know i have had you as a town read all game
but im an idiot
an idiot that can read you
On May 12 2015 07:03 Damdred wrote:
##give 2 posts bm
Rsoultin how sure are you that oneg is Scum here?
Onegu has claimed scum openly.
I'm 90% sure Onegu is scum
On May 12 2015 07:08 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 07:03 KelsierSC wrote:
why is anyone giving posts to this idiot?
bh is town , stopping nukes hitting marv is a pro town move. if it was ANYONE else or even if he was doing ANYTHING else but no, you can't make this read on BH
you mean BM
On May 12 2015 07:09 Onegu wrote:
Rsoul serious scum, she just went from me scum to agreeing with BM?
His only point is that I claimed traitor. How can she agree with those points? I didn't claim traitor, If I was going to claim traitor I would use some hidden BBCode to do it. NOT SAY I WISH I WAS GOING TO GET TRAITOR... And she knows I would do it that way thats how I handle my claims. So she is pushing me on false points agreeing with BM.
That would be like the worse play ever. I maybe dumb but really not that dumb. I thought I could get a town PM and then get the role Traitor but then realized I cant...
how is openly claiming traitor really a bad strategy?
You get called out on it, you WIFOM and say you were kidding, exactly what you're doing here.
On May 12 2015 07:11 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 07:10 yamato77 wrote:On May 12 2015 07:09 Onegu wrote:
Rsoul serious scum, she just went from me scum to agreeing with BM?
His only point is that I claimed traitor. How can she agree with those points? I didn't claim traitor, If I was going to claim traitor I would use some hidden BBCode to do it. NOT SAY I WISH I WAS GOING TO GET TRAITOR... And she knows I would do it that way thats how I handle my claims. So she is pushing me on false points agreeing with BM.
That would be like the worse play ever. I maybe dumb but really not that dumb. I thought I could get a town PM and then get the role Traitor but then realized I cant... you do look scummy, onegu I always look scummy, but thats different from saying she agrees with I claimed traitor...
you also directly said you werent traitor. wnat me to quote that too??
it just all adds up to being fishy
On May 12 2015 07:14 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 06:53 rsoultin wrote:
24/60
bm, i think you're town, dude. so talk to me yeah? i know i've called you stupid but i actually can see your read on truffle pretty clearly (don't agree with it but that's more of a i really, really know truffle very well sorta thing), and while i don't quite get the marv nuke that's neither here nor there for me at this point
i liked what you pointed out about onegu and i don't think we should lynch you or shoot you. what are your other reads? This is you agreeing with him... His only point is that I have "claimed traitor".
no my point isnt that you "claimed traitor"
my point is that you claimed traitor.
you literally claimed traitor.
On May 12 2015 07:20 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 06:22 Bill Murray wrote:
I feel like Blazinghand's role is completely bullshit
it's like I don't even have a role. feel like BM claimed mafia with this post even though I can't put it into words why. wording feels off I guess
In no way am I claiming mafia. I'm claiming BH is mafia. BH, Marv, and Palmar are my top 3 suspects.
On May 12 2015 07:22 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 03:11 rsoultin wrote:15/60 okay to be more clear why oneg is giving me the icks includes not just a similar take on his tone that marv got but also a couple things that naturally mean more to me than other people -_- - the overexplained everything...he's more the fuck you i'm gonna do what i want type, at least in most of the games i've played with him, though the one newbie game he was more serious which is why i'm trying to get hts' input (i pay less attention than i should when i'm scum lol) - secondly, i recently asked him why he always scumreads me every game. which actually isn't true; it just felt like it recently because of guardians where the twit fake-claimed mason with scum rayn while flaming me all game lol >< couple that with the "obligatory" and it almost seems like he's doing it just to ascribe to "meta" that actually isn't really true anyway, just me being sensitive xP - third, he genuinely believes i'm one of the best people at reading him, yet that's not part of his scumread. it was like the central point of his read when i was scum in student VII (and why he had so much trouble getting people to actually pay attention, i might add). not seeing the OMGUS you always get my alignment right but you're WRONG and therefore SCUM response here. if anything it should be stronger cause i actually did flip scum  Its a Ver game Im going to take it more serious. This would be true for either alignment. I dont get this I had a slight scum read on you at the time and add a joke about it since we recently talked about it... We are very early in day one, this is moot and doesnt matter. And you dont like the <3. WELL <3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3 You say I play like I dont give a fuck in my games then you dont like the hearts? Comeon now.
Onegu has resorted to Appealing to emotion
On May 12 2015 07:31 GlowingBear wrote:
Give me one reason BH is town other than protecting a guy this early without even knowing his role.
I can't see BH's anti nuke coming from town perspective. His double standards on truffle and marv, and the decision of immediately stopping BM's nuke instead of further inspecting truffles nuke is too scummy.
If truffle is town, BH was trying to get town cred
If truffle is Mafia, BH was protecting a scum partner.
I can't see his reaction to the first nuke coming from a town perspective, specially when he asks for permission to palmar.
thank god someone agreed with me
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one of my nukes wasnt even real lol
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1) I don't believe he is mafia, so there can't be a contradiction. My read changed. Get over it
2) You say that Damdred townread you and that makes me mafia because I gave him posts
a. you're being very illogical
b. you hadn't posted at all so you are misrepresenting this scenario
- if you had posted, it was at most once. You posted 1 time before I launched my nuke. These things occurred a day apart.
- you are now acting like you were here on Mother's Day when you weren't.
Synopsis: If you had been less terse in your opening post, perhaps I wouldn't have had to have nuked you. Sorry if you end up flipping town like I expect you to, now, but compare your opening post in this game to the one you posted in Newbie Mafia VIII that we just played in less than a month ago
Your post was something you spent a couple hours on that game. This one was just bland, without the punch that the other had. It made me think you were a different role. I was thinking there was a very good possibility I would be getting praised for nuking you before the day way out.... now I'm worried that I'm going to get mislynched and that I might have ended up nuking something that we will end up needing.
I'm not really sold on believing BlazingHand. If he's not lying, you're dead.
One last thing, the fact you would nuke me right back shows the facet of your play you need to fix. You demonstrate a wrathfulness that borders on OMGUS. Now, you admitted to doing that last game, so I have hope for you, or I wouldn't be trying to help you right now, but know that the person accusing you is not always the best option to lynch.
On May 12 2015 08:02 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 07:47 Bill Murray wrote:On May 12 2015 06:53 rsoultin wrote:
24/60
bm, i think you're town, dude. so talk to me yeah? i know i've called you stupid but i actually can see your read on truffle pretty clearly (don't agree with it but that's more of a i really, really know truffle very well sorta thing), and while i don't quite get the marv nuke that's neither here nor there for me at this point
i liked what you pointed out about onegu and i don't think we should lynch you or shoot you. what are your other reads? you don't think trfel is town? i have been calling him town since i noticed hes actively lurking On May 12 2015 06:53 GlowingBear wrote:On May 12 2015 06:50 Bill Murray wrote:On May 12 2015 06:49 GlowingBear wrote:
BH explain to me why stopping truffles nuke immediately but asking permission for Palmar to stop it against marv. because palmar and marv are both mafia with BH like ive already said Tell me you're kidding here. I have a town read on you but I might rescind if you really mean to push this Theres no point pushing something that won't get anything done. On May 12 2015 07:03 KelsierSC wrote:
why is anyone giving posts to this idiot?
bh is town , stopping nukes hitting marv is a pro town move. you know i have had you as a town read all game but im an idiot an idiot that can read you On May 12 2015 07:03 Damdred wrote:
##give 2 posts bm
Rsoultin how sure are you that oneg is Scum here? Onegu has claimed scum openly. I'm 90% sure Onegu is scum On May 12 2015 07:08 yamato77 wrote:On May 12 2015 07:03 KelsierSC wrote:
why is anyone giving posts to this idiot?
bh is town , stopping nukes hitting marv is a pro town move. if it was ANYONE else or even if he was doing ANYTHING else but no, you can't make this read on BH you mean BM On May 12 2015 07:09 Onegu wrote:
Rsoul serious scum, she just went from me scum to agreeing with BM?
His only point is that I claimed traitor. How can she agree with those points? I didn't claim traitor, If I was going to claim traitor I would use some hidden BBCode to do it. NOT SAY I WISH I WAS GOING TO GET TRAITOR... And she knows I would do it that way thats how I handle my claims. So she is pushing me on false points agreeing with BM.
That would be like the worse play ever. I maybe dumb but really not that dumb. I thought I could get a town PM and then get the role Traitor but then realized I cant... how is openly claiming traitor really a bad strategy? You get called out on it, you WIFOM and say you were kidding, exactly what you're doing here. On May 12 2015 07:11 Onegu wrote:On May 12 2015 07:10 yamato77 wrote:On May 12 2015 07:09 Onegu wrote:
Rsoul serious scum, she just went from me scum to agreeing with BM?
His only point is that I claimed traitor. How can she agree with those points? I didn't claim traitor, If I was going to claim traitor I would use some hidden BBCode to do it. NOT SAY I WISH I WAS GOING TO GET TRAITOR... And she knows I would do it that way thats how I handle my claims. So she is pushing me on false points agreeing with BM.
That would be like the worse play ever. I maybe dumb but really not that dumb. I thought I could get a town PM and then get the role Traitor but then realized I cant... you do look scummy, onegu I always look scummy, but thats different from saying she agrees with I claimed traitor... you also directly said you werent traitor. wnat me to quote that too?? it just all adds up to being fishy On May 12 2015 07:14 Onegu wrote:On May 12 2015 06:53 rsoultin wrote:
24/60
bm, i think you're town, dude. so talk to me yeah? i know i've called you stupid but i actually can see your read on truffle pretty clearly (don't agree with it but that's more of a i really, really know truffle very well sorta thing), and while i don't quite get the marv nuke that's neither here nor there for me at this point
i liked what you pointed out about onegu and i don't think we should lynch you or shoot you. what are your other reads? This is you agreeing with him... His only point is that I have "claimed traitor". no my point isnt that you "claimed traitor" my point is that you claimed traitor. you literally claimed traitor. On May 12 2015 07:20 KelsierSC wrote:On May 12 2015 06:22 Bill Murray wrote:
I feel like Blazinghand's role is completely bullshit
it's like I don't even have a role. feel like BM claimed mafia with this post even though I can't put it into words why. wording feels off I guess In no way am I claiming mafia. I'm claiming BH is mafia. BH, Marv, and Palmar are my top 3 suspects. On May 12 2015 07:22 Onegu wrote:On May 12 2015 03:11 rsoultin wrote:15/60 okay to be more clear why oneg is giving me the icks includes not just a similar take on his tone that marv got but also a couple things that naturally mean more to me than other people -_- - the overexplained everything...he's more the fuck you i'm gonna do what i want type, at least in most of the games i've played with him, though the one newbie game he was more serious which is why i'm trying to get hts' input (i pay less attention than i should when i'm scum lol) - secondly, i recently asked him why he always scumreads me every game. which actually isn't true; it just felt like it recently because of guardians where the twit fake-claimed mason with scum rayn while flaming me all game lol >< couple that with the "obligatory" and it almost seems like he's doing it just to ascribe to "meta" that actually isn't really true anyway, just me being sensitive xP - third, he genuinely believes i'm one of the best people at reading him, yet that's not part of his scumread. it was like the central point of his read when i was scum in student VII (and why he had so much trouble getting people to actually pay attention, i might add). not seeing the OMGUS you always get my alignment right but you're WRONG and therefore SCUM response here. if anything it should be stronger cause i actually did flip scum Its a Ver game Im going to take it more serious. This would be true for either alignment. I dont get this I had a slight scum read on you at the time and add a joke about it since we recently talked about it... We are very early in day one, this is moot and doesnt matter. And you dont like the <3. WELL <3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3 You say I play like I dont give a fuck in my games then you dont like the hearts? Comeon now. Onegu has resorted to Appealing to emotion On May 12 2015 07:31 GlowingBear wrote:
Give me one reason BH is town other than protecting a guy this early without even knowing his role.
I can't see BH's anti nuke coming from town perspective. His double standards on truffle and marv, and the decision of immediately stopping BM's nuke instead of further inspecting truffles nuke is too scummy.
If truffle is town, BH was trying to get town cred
If truffle is Mafia, BH was protecting a scum partner.
I can't see his reaction to the first nuke coming from a town perspective, specially when he asks for permission to palmar. thank god someone agreed with me I claimed town, I wanted to be traitor... I didnt read hapas post that if you are traitor you get a "Traitor PM". So how did you go from I am traitor to I am 90% scum btw?
the other 10% is referred to as "VI" in some circles, and I am not talking about the league of legends champion. I don't feel that way about you; I just feel like you're a guy that is trying to have fun dumbtelling as scum to get recruited ... it is what it is.
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