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On May 12 2015 02:53 rsoultin wrote:12/60 Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 02:47 Vivax wrote:On May 11 2015 22:17 marvellosity wrote:On May 11 2015 21:48 Bill Murray wrote:
Marv is just scum who doesnt want to keep a powerful town role around
##vote: marv
honestly I summed up why Im nuking Trfel. I played with him last game and he was wayyyy more active early on. He was the first post in the thread, and was dominating thread sentiment D1. I'm seeing a polar opposite from him. btw this post makes it much more likely BM is mafia after my original accusation, because he's still trying to justify it. On May 12 2015 01:25 marvellosity wrote:
Vivax really is an excellent lynch. Xata pretty ok lynch too though.
Really simple question dudes. What happened to BM here? ummm he's lynching bm? what's your point? @xata don't take this to the bank cause bad track record but i actually think ls could be town this game for the silly little smurf sidebar lol >< also for some of the phrasing used when he did it kinda more interested why this is the only thing you want to talk about, though. let me make it easy. not lynching ls right now. give me someone else you want to lynch
talk to me tina
you've been ignoring me
and I had you as town >_>
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The BH-Trfel-BM interaction is officially over-analyzed
gj dudes
it's now useless
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On May 12 2015 07:03 KelsierSC wrote:
why is anyone giving posts to this idiot?
bh is town , stopping nukes hitting marv is a pro town move.
if it was ANYONE else
or even if he was doing ANYTHING else
but no, you can't make this read on BH
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On May 12 2015 07:09 Onegu wrote:
Rsoul serious scum, she just went from me scum to agreeing with BM?
His only point is that I claimed traitor. How can she agree with those points? I didn't claim traitor, If I was going to claim traitor I would use some hidden BBCode to do it. NOT SAY I WISH I WAS GOING TO GET TRAITOR... And she knows I would do it that way thats how I handle my claims. So she is pushing me on false points agreeing with BM.
That would be like the worse play ever. I maybe dumb but really not that dumb. I thought I could get a town PM and then get the role Traitor but then realized I cant...
you do look scummy, onegu
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GB your read is bad
it's the definition of confirmation bias
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to clarify:
BH might be mafia, but not for how he used his role
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glowingbear, just listen to me
EVEN IF BH is mafia, your argument is absolutely horrible and won't get him lynched
so just stop
people scumreading BM at this point are probably just bad.
we shouldn't lynch either of them, IMO
right now I'm more interested in JAT's potential return to playing the game in some sort of way that isn't excusing why his play is shit, and onegu's play going forward
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notably, the second nuke hasn't even been shot down yet
so yeah, we may yet have a dead marv
that might actually be nice in this game
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On May 12 2015 08:22 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 08:20 yamato77 wrote:
glowingbear, just listen to me
EVEN IF BH is mafia, your argument is absolutely horrible and won't get him lynched
so just stop
people scumreading BM at this point are probably just bad.
we shouldn't lynch either of them, IMO
right now I'm more interested in JAT's potential return to playing the game in some sort of way that isn't excusing why his play is shit, and onegu's play going forward Point out what is horrible in my read. Saying that his role usage isn't definitive isn't enough
it literally isn't definitive
IT'S YOUR ONLY ARGUMENT
AND IT'S HORRIBLE
WHAT IF TOWN BH IS JUST A LAZY FUCK AND DOESN'T WANT PEOPLE TO BE NUKED EARLY ON D1?
WHAT IF TOWN BH, JUST LIKE POTENTIALLY TOWN BM, JUST LIKES USING HIS ROLE?
stop being so stupid, please
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if TD is geript then I'm pretty sure he's town
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Need to look more into Xatalos' meta to be sure, but I'm more confident he's town than not, at this time at least.
I don't agree with his read on LS, but I don't expect many people to read LS as I do.
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On May 12 2015 08:55 TalkingDead wrote:The best lynch right now is the BM policy lynch. I disagree with yamato about GlowingBear's read on Blazinghand. It was something I was thinking at the time and reaffirms my townread on GlowingBear. It's less about how Blazinghand is using his role than it is about Blazinghand's approach to the game that's telling to me. I can imagine scenarios where Blazinghand instantly negates the nuke on Trfel (empathy/sympathy/whatever) and I can imagine scenarios where Blazinghand tries to engage Palmer regarding shooting down the marvellosity Nuke (trying to get separate reads on a player who can be difficult to read). However, it's the contrasting approach which is quite interesting and relevant. Blazinghand while relatively insane is not stupid; he has far more to gain (as town) from interacting with Trfel to get a read on him. Trfel as I recall had a handful of posts at the time and, while I and many if I recall were soft townreading him, I don't think there's any strong definitive read to be made at that point. Rather, when the marvellosity (who was obviously town at that point) nuke is confirmed seeks approval. Blazinghand is the type of player who will literally march to the beat of his own drum to his own detriment. So the fact that he's seeking approval for doing something that's quite obviously townie is exceptionally out of character. The closest thing to being semi-productive that Blazinghand has done this game is this post: Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 08:37 Blazinghand wrote:
So it seems like things should be prety straightforward in terms of hunting scum. I didn't mention this earlier because I needed people to be posting without knowing about this. Basically, right now people only have PMs revealing alignment, right? What this means is scum do not know who their scumbuddies are. Since they don't want ot accidentally push scumbuddies, for the first 24 hours of the game you can expect scum to not want to give scumreads. They don't want to be forced to backtrack later. So who's giving scumreads and who isn't?
People who haven't given solid scumreads, or have given only joke scumreads:
Marv
Onegu
Trfel
Sandroba
Xat
bats
rso
oastmaster
LS (I assume, it's kinda hard to read this dude's post)
RoL
Bill Murray
Palm
VE
JAT
Vivax
Stutters
People who have made scumreads, or said they want to lynch someone, which would be risky for scum to do:
GB
HtS (some)
Yamato
OWS
Damdred
KSC
TD
so GB HtS Yam OWS Damd KSC TD are town, the rest of you are scum ez Normally, BH would have some crazy insane convoluted plan to find scum. He usually uses RNG to decide the day 1 lynch (more often as town than as mafia in my experience). Yet this game the closest thing to insane that he's done is the Trfel anti-nuke. His play is out of character even for him. Yes, the action usage is marginally useless, but the reasons (or more appropriately lack of reasons) behind his actions point towards him not being town.
See, the difference between this read and GB's argument is night and day.
It's still not 100%, but there's actually something to discuss here besides "he used his role poorly" or whatever the fuck you want to say about BH shooting down the nukes.
When approaching reading BH, you can't just look at his play in a vacuum and determine his alignment. As both town and mafia, BH does things that are conventionally nonsensical but in actuality are WIFOM-esque plays that, when considered in the context of his own personal metagame, are alignment neutral.
His role usage is blatantly alignment neutral, even if there are arguments about how he could have used it better. Town BH could easily just be shooting down nukes because he can. Mafia BH could be going for the pro-town cred. Sure. But you can't determine anything meaningful out of the action itself.
The rest of his play, as TD points out, is somewhat concerning because he isn't engaging the thread on any deeper level. The disparity between his two nuke actions isn't a great argument itself, but BH IS playing somewhat below the radar and doesn't seem too terribly interested in finding mafia or even figuring out people's alignments.
The problem with making a read like this on a player like BH is of course that he might just be fucking off as town with some sort of selfish play in mind, but usually as town BH tries to fight a lynch on him so if people want to go down that route I'm not going to oppose it any further.
I am more interested in other players, as I've stated. Unfortunately many players in this game are having issues establishing themselves as town, so the list is longer than I'd like.
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On May 12 2015 09:02 TalkingDead wrote:Reposted because it's relevant and people seem to have dropped the idea entirely. However, the person that I find the most interesting is Oatsmaster. Generally what I've seen from Oatsmaster as town is that he's abrasive and does his own thing. Whereas in this game, he tends to just follow what's going on with thread sentiment. Specifically: Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 08:46 Oatsmaster wrote:Sandros shit seems really planned out and fake. Like this post right, On May 11 2015 05:36 sandroba wrote:
marvellosity's intro is another one that I found pretty meh as well. I would expect more inquiries from him, maybe all condensed into a single post to adapt to the post cap. Instead I found nothing besides a read that I dissagree with. I'm going to keep an eye on him. marv doesnt do that. And a scumread for not posting is pretty bad considering the general lack of content. And i really fucking hate lists posts man, seriously dont post a huge list of nonsense. Talkingdead especially. Is that rayn? Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 09:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Gb is town guys. Unless he faked that shit like super super well.
Sandro, talking deads list post was the most recent and longest one, why not point it out?
Also, the tone of your posts is very structured, and the questions you ask seem to be more for show than actually gaining alignment relevant information Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 12:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Meh whatever rsoul, marv isn't gonna get lynched today if that's your attitude.
I'm actually inclined to agree with sandro about td. He just dodged all the questions by saying "reread" ... Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 12:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
OK saw the longass post.
That's a bad post.
Mainly because of one point.
When td compares the difference between town-town, he says that they will be able to rethink their reads. But in his town-scum analysis, he said that one of them will keep beating a dead horse, specifying that it might be either. So since they don't know each others alignments, the town - scum scenario he proposes could happen with town - town too. So in conclusion, td is bullshitting his town-town read cause he got caught. Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 13:36 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 11 2015 12:29 sandroba wrote:On May 11 2015 12:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On May 11 2015 12:20 sandroba wrote:
If I'm wrong about this TD thing, which certainly I'm considering, I think Oats and yamato both look quite bad. I'm feeling better about damdred already. I can understand the yamato read. Why Oats? Random read on me which is illogical and nitpicky. Random defense of marv. You are town. Marv is not scum yet. The thing is though that Sandroba's points on me haven't really changed for the most part. It's been spread on the same set of things for the most part. So there's no real clear reason for the change from "made up fake shit" to "great read." The's also really not a clear reason for Sandroba going from town to mafia. Then after marvellosity makes his large post, Oats seems to drop everything and switch to BillMurray. He had previously fingered BillMurray for seemingly no reason (it was before either nuke). Rather, Oats just seems to follow the thread sentiment and look to blend. He has only hints at why his reads are and there's no discernible progression. That in my experience is scum!Oats.
go read oats' filter from game of thrones and come back and talk to me about oats' meta.
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On May 12 2015 09:09 Trfel wrote:
Actually, now that I think about it again, maybe I could still lynch Bill Murray....
That's fine and all, but none of the reasons you posted are conclusive for a player like BM.
It is a policy lynch, plain and simple. I generally don't do policy lynches.
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On May 12 2015 10:51 GlowingBear wrote:
Lol
Yamato, pls
TD said exactly what I said, but in a more wordy paragraph.
Like, pls.
Bill Murray won't be lynched today.
I'm starting to be suspicious of Kelsen for reasons unknown. Gut feelings
No, he didn't, and that's why you'll always be bad.
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On May 12 2015 18:44 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 09:13 yamato77 wrote:On May 12 2015 09:09 Trfel wrote:
Actually, now that I think about it again, maybe I could still lynch Bill Murray....
That's fine and all, but none of the reasons you posted are conclusive for a player like BM. It is a policy lynch, plain and simple. I generally don't do policy lynches. you're not a good enough player to understand what a policy lynch is
are you going to be useful, or just sit on a shitty lynch?
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On May 12 2015 18:52 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 18:51 yamato77 wrote:On May 12 2015 18:44 marvellosity wrote:On May 12 2015 09:13 yamato77 wrote:On May 12 2015 09:09 Trfel wrote:
Actually, now that I think about it again, maybe I could still lynch Bill Murray....
That's fine and all, but none of the reasons you posted are conclusive for a player like BM. It is a policy lynch, plain and simple. I generally don't do policy lynches. you're not a good enough player to understand what a policy lynch is are you going to be useful, or just sit on a shitty lynch? it's an excellent lynch, you're just too bad to get it
do you have any thoughts on anything BM has posted since he nuked you, or are you just salty?
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On May 12 2015 18:58 marvellosity wrote:
Seen it been mentioned a few times, but I think BH is a pretty terrible lynch, certainly anyone saving me from a nuke I am not going to vote for today.
Three people who I think are good lynches, other than BM:
Vivax - somehow when I read his posts last night they didn't seem *too* uninteresting. So I was left feeling a little town from it. But in the end, they led nowhere, game has been going on quite a while now, not enough to hang my hat on
Oats - promised GB he'd try properly this game. I don't really remember his posts.
Xatalos - he's boring. that's enough.
I'm not very sure about my earlier Onegu read. I read Onegu + rsoultin arguing last night when I was pretty baked and I couldn't work out what the fuck was going on. Anyone have any bright insights?
vivax is apparently murdering his own town game... still lynchable
oats is playing as one might expect him to as mafia. it's hilarious that he's sucking up to you when you've been so lazy haha
xata I've talked about, but as the day drags on he looks worse. his LS read doesn't hold enough weight.
onegu - tina is just dumb. Onegu posted more than he has in a while, but his scumread of rso is somewhat unbelievable. Tina did basically just bait him into it though so meh.
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On May 12 2015 19:05 marvellosity wrote:
Although (p48) BM is still trying surprisingly harder than he might if he were mafia. And with longer posts than usual too. meh
it is the argument
but his reads are unreasonable and too erratic, really
going to look at how he played in boardwalk
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On May 12 2015 19:12 TalkingDead wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 19:06 yamato77 wrote:On May 12 2015 19:05 marvellosity wrote:
Although (p48) BM is still trying surprisingly harder than he might if he were mafia. And with longer posts than usual too. meh it is the argument but his reads are unreasonable and too erratic, really going to look at how he played in boardwalk I've looked at it. Significantly less effort. Very short posts. Mostly careless. That said, the situations aren't really comparable in any realistic way.
bleh
like I said, BM is just not that easy to read this game
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