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On May 11 2015 20:50 sandroba wrote:
@marv I agree with all your points (BM, onegu, damdred), but I'm having a hard time with the TD town read so if you could go into a little more detail maybe I can be convinced and get over it. The only thing that actually gave me pause was that he insinuated something that I think damdred caught onto as well.
I have out-of-thread reasons that I'm loathe to elaborate on unless my hand is really forced (big wagon on him, no-one talking about anyone else as the day drags on)
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On May 11 2015 20:55 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 20:23 sandroba wrote:
Hello palmar. Pls entretain me on why I'm scum. ask marv
You don't get to use me as a pawn, ask yourself dear.
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On May 11 2015 20:58 sandroba wrote:
I guess you know whose smurf it is. But both the other reasons I don't agree with. Only a couple people found him suspicious and most others dissagreed or ignored my post on him. Your posting seems a lot different this game. Any specific reason for the lack of enthusiasm? You don't seem to be trying to figure out the game and everything you say seems a bit bland.
no, you misunderstand
the things I put in brackets were the circumstances where I'd feel like I had to say something, not reasons for anything
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On May 11 2015 20:59 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 20:57 marvellosity wrote:On May 11 2015 20:55 Palmar wrote:On May 11 2015 20:23 sandroba wrote:
Hello palmar. Pls entretain me on why I'm scum. ask marv You don't get to use me as a pawn, ask yourself dear. No, that's not how it works. You have to tell sandroba why he is mafia or alternatively tell me why he isn't.
no, I really don't, because if you want to kill him you need my vote, not the other way round.
You know you can't possibly win this, right? ^^
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On May 11 2015 21:17 KelsierSC wrote:I like what marv has said so far, about BM . I was actually thinking that no scum would make that play because it is so terrible but the reasoning behind the play is so bad that this guy should probably die. marv, what do you think about TD saying this, it came after you had made about 3 posts I believe Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 04:03 TalkingDead wrote:marvellosityI have him as town for tone alone. It's really not worth considering him until day 2 at the very earliest and if he's alive on day 3 then just lynch him. But I will be sheeping him on day 1.
I think the man has exceptionally good taste.
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On May 11 2015 21:33 GlowingBear wrote:
Marv, did you really scumread Onegu over excessive usage of exclamation points?
Did you really ask me a rhetorical question in a postcount limited game?
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On May 11 2015 21:38 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 21:34 marvellosity wrote:On May 11 2015 21:33 GlowingBear wrote:
Marv, did you really scumread Onegu over excessive usage of exclamation points? Did you really ask me a rhetorical question in a postcount limited game? Did you really dodge an answer by saying the question was rhetorical when its intention was to make you confirm/get more in depth with it?
What more in depth is there to say? Literally everything I had to say about it I summed up succinctly already.
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On May 11 2015 21:45 Palmar wrote:
Regarding BM I haven't really read what he did or why. On the surface nuking someone out of the blue seems a rather townie thing to do.
maybe now's the time to do so. like i even quoted the post!
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On May 11 2015 21:47 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 21:41 marvellosity wrote:On May 11 2015 21:38 GlowingBear wrote:On May 11 2015 21:34 marvellosity wrote:On May 11 2015 21:33 GlowingBear wrote:
Marv, did you really scumread Onegu over excessive usage of exclamation points? Did you really ask me a rhetorical question in a postcount limited game? Did you really dodge an answer by saying the question was rhetorical when its intention was to make you confirm/get more in depth with it? What more in depth is there to say? Literally everything I had to say about it I summed up succinctly already. Come on, marv. What is OTT? Why such specific thing makes the guy Mafia? Why mafia would do that and a townie won't? Also, why scum!Bill would be so bold to launch a nuke over a weak reason this early in the game, drawing so much attention an suspicions to him?
because jubjub baddies ask me the question you're just asking me now. Did you even read what i wrote? 
OTT = over the top, i.e. he was trying to project a certain emotion but he took it too far. Don't really understand why you're asking me why mafia would do that and townies don't, it's a really standard thing to look for emotion/tone that isn't quite right in posts
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On May 11 2015 21:48 Bill Murray wrote:
Marv is just scum who doesnt want to keep a powerful town role around
##vote: marv
honestly I summed up why Im nuking Trfel. I played with him last game and he was wayyyy more active early on. He was the first post in the thread, and was dominating thread sentiment D1. I'm seeing a polar opposite from him.
yes and it's total bollocks.
big, drooping, smelly bollocks.
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On May 11 2015 21:51 Bill Murray wrote:
his case is so reaching it hurts
1) appeal to thread sentiment (many have wnated to lynch me)
2) catch me with my pants down
3) pounce
4) lynch a blue
it's scum 101
1 - who wanted to lynch you since your nuke?
2 - yes, very much
3 - yes, very much
4 - almost, wrong colour
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On May 11 2015 21:57 LightningStrike wrote:Morning guys just woke up to see the nuke and anti nuke and Tfrel looking good though afte the nuke stuff  Also Palmar is actually here now so I really want him to bleed town esp because the last 2 times I had played with him he was scum (I was his scum mate in one of those games) and still haven't exactly figured out what makes Palmar scum at all when he's scum. Also the 1 person who calls Palmar Palmer is sicklucker from office when he(sicklucker) sent a pm to Palmer instead of Palmar who was the host for the game. I also liking Sandroba a lot this game he seems very insightful this time around I also don't like BM's early nuke he shoulda saved it for later when we starting seeing scum clearer. @Marv: What are your current reads?@Palmar: Thoughts so far in the thread?
Can't tell if srs
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GB - you are too stupid to converse with.
Which sadly makes you less likely mafia. But I won't waste any posts talking to you after this one, unless i want to persue you for something.
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On May 11 2015 22:03 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 22:00 marvellosity wrote:
GB - you are too stupid to converse with.
Which sadly makes you less likely mafia. But I won't waste any posts talking to you after this one, unless i want to persue you for something. This makes things easier. ##Vote:marvellosityYou're scum.
no, I'm not.
you're bad though :D
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On May 11 2015 22:06 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 22:03 marvellosity wrote:On May 11 2015 22:03 GlowingBear wrote:On May 11 2015 22:00 marvellosity wrote:
GB - you are too stupid to converse with.
Which sadly makes you less likely mafia. But I won't waste any posts talking to you after this one, unless i want to persue you for something. This makes things easier. ##Vote:marvellosityYou're scum. no, I'm not. you're bad though :D No I'm not. But maybe you're town and you're not as good as your status quo says Because calling Onegu Mafia because of OTT is okay, but using a formal argument (excessive exclamation points) instead of just assuming it's a tone read is really bad. You also don't talk much about BM, it's mostly a policy lynch, and when inquired you stay silent/dodge questions.
It's like you don't actually read anything that's written? Yes, you are bad, really bad, because you're saying things that should be immediately cleared up simply by reading the thread and/or my posts
Like I don't even understand what your point about Onegu is? Tone reads are all based on something, it looked like Onegu was trying too hard to "wish" he was scum through multiple exclamation marks, and his only other post was bleh. What is difficult to understand? What does "using a formal argument" even mean? - Obviously tone reads are based on an actual thing you read?
And what's to inquire about BM? Nothing you've asked wasn't explained in my original post I made on BM. It's absolutely the type of thing mafia BM would do, and the fact (already explained if you just read my posts) is that the reason he used for nuking Trfel was exceptionally weak.
If it were a town nuke, I would expect there to either be good reasoning or simply no reasoning at all. The reasoning provided was just bullshit because it doesn't add up.
Which I already explained.
ergo you're bad.
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On May 11 2015 22:09 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 22:01 KelsierSC wrote:Sandro, can you explain something to me. On May 11 2015 07:20 sandroba wrote:
@damdred any comments on what I've said about TD? I feel that I made a pretty strong point. And regarding about me saying what other people stated I'm reading the thread for the first time and I've shared my thoughts. I don't think anyone else has adressed the issues I've adressed in quite the same way and if somehow I've missed it and they share my feelings I'm glad that they do. I'm kinda on the fence about you because you've said so much, but I can't help but feel like a lot that you've said doesn't make much sense/ doesn't add up/ looks like fake content. It might as well be that you are town producing huge amounts of BS to try to look town, which I don't think is a particularly good strategy, however the way you've adressed the suspicions saying acting scummy was all a part of a plan I'm having a hard time buying into.
The person I feel most strongly about is TD and I would like you to share your thoughts on him/ what I've said about him. On May 11 2015 05:59 sandroba wrote:
@LS this post was by talkinghead if you cared to read, but maybe my formating is not the best. Anyone who read it will know that I'm very suspicious of both TD and damdred. I didn't say anything about GB in my posts but if you must know I think GB is town. On May 11 2015 10:14 sandroba wrote:
GB is my top town read so far, pretty much every single post he's made I agree with. I believe any questioning pointed towards him at this point is just a waste of space and we should be talking about TD and damdred instead. so here you are suspicous of damdred, calling him scum want to talk about him , then earlier marv had said this On May 10 2015 20:17 marvellosity wrote:
hey Kels. Why does anything you say about TalkingDead make him mafia, deary?
This postcount thing making people just list reads feels really weird :p I have Damdred as towny and GB as scumweird for calling him mafia and not a lot else just yet. and followed up later with On May 11 2015 20:43 marvellosity wrote:ok, so just read through the loltastic nuke + anti-nuke. I don't really get why people let this sort of thing slide. Also if BH was going to anti-nuke the nuke, I don't know why he did it so soon, it seems really information-restrictive. Essentially it means we should by lynching BM. On May 11 2015 13:10 Bill Murray wrote:
TalkingDead
Oatsmaster
HalftheSky
I've read all three of you pushing suspicions my way
When I bag scum with this (Trfel was super active last game, and is literally just skimping by posting to not put his neck out there this game) I want you all to bow down to me.
##Nuke: Trfel BM being BM or not being BM, the bolded reasoning is just nonsense. Game's barely started. Why launch the nuke so soon? There's no reason for it. Time and time again in Ver games mafia are forgiven for really terrible in-thread plays on the basis it's too terrible to be scum. Except it's just ballsy yolo with the expectation of not being punished. Giving posts unannounced to Damdred was also very weird. tldr; terrible shot based on terrible reason, no sweepy under carpetty pls. I don't think this is a town nuke. ##Vote: Bill Murray
Random other things - sandroba looks better than other games lately, reads are more indepth, also I like performing a sexy naked dance while his eye is on me My early damdy read good readTalkingDead lynch bad lynch On May 10 2015 09:57 Onegu wrote:
Man I really hope I get the traitor just realized I can get that. Then I can be scum!!! Onegu may be mafia, the multiple !!! seem really OTT and follows up with this random post directed at a bunch of people with no meaning behind it in response to this post you say On May 11 2015 20:50 sandroba wrote:
@marv I agree with all your points (BM, onegu, damdred), but I'm having a hard time with the TD town read so if you could go into a little more detail maybe I can be convinced and get over it. The only thing that actually gave me pause was that he insinuated something that I think damdred caught onto as well. meaning you agree that dam is town now, i'm not really sure where this sudden change came from. Then you said you agree with the point marv raised on dam but all he said was that he called him town earlier , it wasn't really a point as to why damdred is town. It would be good if you could flesh this out because it seems like you are contradicting yourself just to read dam as town. I changed my mind on damdred quite some time ago and have said so already. I was saying that I agree with some of his reads, but I would actually like him to elaborate on something because I have a really bad feeling about his posting so far. His reads all seem very shallow and direct, he doesn't seem to be considering other angles, is very dismissive, disconected from the game like he doesn't really care about the outcome and lacking emotion I usually see in his games as town. Not sure if I really answered your question, but I was really trying to get something out of marv without getting on his face to see how he would interact with me. So far I'm displeased.
You understand we're not even 24h through day 1 in a postcount restricted game, right?
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On May 11 2015 21:48 Bill Murray wrote:
Marv is just scum who doesnt want to keep a powerful town role around
##vote: marv
honestly I summed up why Im nuking Trfel. I played with him last game and he was wayyyy more active early on. He was the first post in the thread, and was dominating thread sentiment D1. I'm seeing a polar opposite from him.
btw this post makes it much more likely BM is mafia after my original accusation, because he's still trying to justify it.
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On May 11 2015 22:27 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 22:17 marvellosity wrote:On May 11 2015 21:48 Bill Murray wrote:
Marv is just scum who doesnt want to keep a powerful town role around
##vote: marv
honestly I summed up why Im nuking Trfel. I played with him last game and he was wayyyy more active early on. He was the first post in the thread, and was dominating thread sentiment D1. I'm seeing a polar opposite from him. btw this post makes it much more likely BM is mafia after my original accusation, because he's still trying to justify it. I know BM is silly but I don't think this point you make makes him more or less mafia. I think a town would like to justify his actions when pressure is on him just as much as a mafia. I don't understand how you are so sure about this. I can understand and share the feeling of wanting to lynch him regardless just so he doesn't get away with this as mafia and I feel like a tard for letting it happen, but having seen BM's town play I deffinitely think it's just as much possible for him to be town in this spot, no matter how absurd his actions and reasons are.
can you show me him doing this like this as town?
because i know i can find him doing it as mafia
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On May 11 2015 22:38 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 22:32 marvellosity wrote:On May 11 2015 22:27 sandroba wrote:On May 11 2015 22:17 marvellosity wrote:On May 11 2015 21:48 Bill Murray wrote:
Marv is just scum who doesnt want to keep a powerful town role around
##vote: marv
honestly I summed up why Im nuking Trfel. I played with him last game and he was wayyyy more active early on. He was the first post in the thread, and was dominating thread sentiment D1. I'm seeing a polar opposite from him. btw this post makes it much more likely BM is mafia after my original accusation, because he's still trying to justify it. I know BM is silly but I don't think this point you make makes him more or less mafia. I think a town would like to justify his actions when pressure is on him just as much as a mafia. I don't understand how you are so sure about this. I can understand and share the feeling of wanting to lynch him regardless just so he doesn't get away with this as mafia and I feel like a tard for letting it happen, but having seen BM's town play I deffinitely think it's just as much possible for him to be town in this spot, no matter how absurd his actions and reasons are. can you show me him doing this like this as town? because i know i can find him doing it as mafia Not exactly this, but every time I play with him as town I remember him doing something so bad I couldn't wrap my head around. If you could link me to a game where he did something similar as mafia it would definitely help me.
Mm. Looking at the database I misremembered, he had this one game as Injustice vigi but it wasn't the same. Maybe there's a game missing because my memory is usually good for these things
in any case your defence seems to be "BM is batshit insane" which as defences go is probably the one best applied to BM out of anyone in this game. But i still don't understand the town argument for how he did what he did, whether he's crazy or not.
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On May 12 2015 00:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
Marv you've said what you think about the nuke - that you think it was a not-town nuke, and your reasoning. That's all nice.
Does that make the anti-nuke not-not-town? Because I'm having a hard time with BH just shooting that out of the sky myself, like...there wasn't even enough time for the nuke to apply any pressure.
yeah I mentioned myself that I don't think shooting it down asap was a good play at all.
I think to answer your question (in amongst the double negatives) - if BM is mafia, it doesn't necessarily make BH town. but it would point that way (i assume if BH is mafia then mafia is afraid of town nukers and therefore wouldn't waste an anti-nuke on a scumbuddy's nuke)
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