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On May 11 2015 02:00 Half the Sky wrote:3/10 Kelsier - Through the course of the game yes - particularly when I was pushing him D2 and after I died, he was calling me scum hardcore (the only one to do so) in that game. You'd have to read either in the obs qt or the post-game but he was particularly noted for being the only one to scumread me all game, that's how he stuck out that game. Also Kels, I find it interesting you pulled that up because in this game he's saying Show nested quote +On May 10 2015 21:24 LightningStrike wrote:
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I remember HTS overreacting to my opening post in Newbie LX and everyone talked about it so it could be alignment indicative for her O_o[spoiler]
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He's saying that because I was scum in Newbie LX, that my opening this game could be alignment indicative. Though that still raises an interesting point. Why does he say "alignment indicative" instead of straight up calling me scummy or leaning scum on me?
ah ok I get what you're saying now. you're saying he should very much be calling you scum or town because of the previous game in which you were scum. I thought you were saying at the beginning of that game he called you scum which isn't how I read it.
LS has been pretty all over the place so far , kind of looks like floundering scum, pressured into a read and shows a bit of push back calling HTS scum, then instantly retracting and now calling her town.
On May 11 2015 03:25 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 03:18 Xatalos wrote:On May 11 2015 02:17 LightningStrike wrote:On May 11 2015 02:13 Xatalos wrote:
How is her entrance scum-specific exactly? Does she open some way as scum, not as town? Wait I retracting I had misread it she done this type of entrance as town just been a while since she did (Titanic) sorry about that HTS just bleed town for me please? <3 Right -.- And what's your read now if we ignore that? On May 11 2015 03:15 justanothertownie wrote:On May 11 2015 02:44 marvellosity wrote:
##Vote: BlazingVivax badass Not 3P? Town she had some good large posts on analyzing stuff about GlowingBear and is thinking critically.
so LS do you agree with the analysis that HTS did ?
HTS I also don't like TD , but i don't agree with your reasons. point 1 is kind of meh, if you don't like someone you can give your read and a reason without asking them a question. Point 2 is ok , I sort of think at first glance the argument damdred puts forward looks strong and it certainly comes from a townie place, but is actually weak in retrospect, I definitely think not explaining why the argument is weak is a negative for him. for point 3 I don't know if he blows it out of proportion, he hasn't really pushed any agenda as far as i'm aware.
As i said, he did some stuff I didn't like but nothing like concrete I guess.
Your GB points are interesting but I don't think they make him mafia. You don't have to respond every time someone calls you scum or if someone else doesn't share a scumread with you.
I think GB is town for some reason
But I like the effort your putting in and you have pushed some interesting stuff so I like you so far.
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The thing is, my first read halfway joking first post and all of that jazz.
However LS why are you paying special attention to my intro but discounting all of my other content and inferring I'm Scum from it. And you instantly retract your hts read because of later content but not using the same rules with me.
That's not the town LS I know.
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On May 11 2015 03:47 KelsierSC wrote:
LS has been pretty all over the place so far , kind of looks like floundering scum, pressured into a read and shows a bit of push back calling HTS scum, then instantly retracting and now calling her town.
This is not alignment indicative for LS. He just did the same in an unmentionable game.
On May 11 2015 03:49 Damdred wrote:
The thing is, my first read halfway joking first post and all of that jazz.
However LS why are you paying special attention to my intro but discounting all of my other content and inferring I'm Scum from it. And you instantly retract your hts read because of later content but not using the same rules with me.
That's not the town LS I know.
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This is a much better point.
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On May 11 2015 03:49 Damdred wrote:
The thing is, my first read halfway joking first post and all of that jazz.
However LS why are you paying special attention to my intro but discounting all of my other content and inferring I'm Scum from it. And you instantly retract your hts read because of later content but not using the same rules with me.
That's not the town LS I know.
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It just your intro seems to much tmi it's like shooting fish a barrel on your read on rsoultin but the rest of your content is fine but did Bill really give his last of his posts to you?
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yamato77
Yamato like many veterans generally gives very few fucks when he can't lynch people. Between tone (slight hopeful, slight asshole) and his color coding, these are far more likely to come from town!yamato. The interesting thing to note is that he doesn't seem to care whatsoever what he says; instead, he pops in, makes a comment and leaves. I for one expect more from him, but there doesn't look like he has any ulterior motive in posting. Rather he just says what he wants to say. That's why I have him as so strongly town.
KelsierSC
I think he's town mostly based on how obviously hypocritical he is. He spends the first half of his posts talking about how awful other people's post are and how they're wasting posts while he doesn't really bother adding anything himself. That's behavior that I tend to associate with town more than mafia. There's also the aspect that there's no real directional push; rather, it's pecking at a variety of other players. The only reason why I would put him on the town side of null instead of fully town is because his reads are pretty terrible. I find how he backs off of GB rather odd; I can't really understand:
On May 10 2015 19:27 KelsierSC wrote:
He has gone back and looked over his reads and made some alterations which is a towny thing to do.
Because when you look at GB's filter, I'm not seeing any alterations in his reads. First post is essentially a joke; GB has 1 moderate length reads post and a post expanding upon his MIA Damdred read. Rather the GB read feels very much like a preemptive defense while trying to push elsewhere. So if either GB or Kelsier flips mafia, then I'd take a heavy look at the other.
VisceraEyes
I find it rather out of place that VE is somewhat bothering to play if VE is town. I agree with Kelsier that on tone, VE looks a bit towny, but quite often VE has complained about not being able to lynch people. By this I mean that in games like PYP or here, where there's a 'pre-game' phase where you have alignment and can talk but are unable to lynch people quite often he as complained about not bothering to play because there's very little point in playing due to the lack of a perceived threat. He can't realistically threaten to lynch or shoot or nuke or whatever anyone and therefore feels less capable of applying pressure. I do find it odd that he didn't harp on BillMurray's last post at all because usually town!VE hates and tends to scumread the "leading on" type of post. His Batsnacks read and his GB/Batsnacks/Onegu observation are things that I'd normally expect from town!VE though. Since in at least a few of those games VE was mafia and because town!VE reads, I'm going to leave him at null to town.
marvellosity
I have him as town for tone alone. It's really not worth considering him until day 2 at the very earliest and if he's alive on day 3 then just lynch him. But I will be sheeping him on day 1.
HalftheSky
HTS is town. Period. She's made an exceptional number of interesting points (GB reaction to yamato, Damdred's word choice, initial poke at LightningStrike).
BillMurray
On May 10 2015 18:40 Bill Murray wrote:
Oh I've been filter diving. Didn't expect anyone to post.
As per "This rule will not be absolutely strictly enforced" in the op
I hope going 3 posts over isn't a big deal... because I have been working on a massive post tomorrow.
This post strikes me as particularly odd. Not only had he donated posts to Damdred, something which historically has happened more from mafia than town, he doesn't use any of his posts productively. He promises more useful things in the bland future. Yet, the most interesting thing to me is his caring about going over the limit. That's a behavior that I expect far more to come from mafia as they know they're part of a team which they would hurt by getting modkilled due to rules. Town tends to just damn the torpedoes and full speed ahead. This is on top of BillMurray not being an awful player as town. By far the best lynch on day 1.
Onegu
There's a variety of odd things with him. I think he's the third best lynch on day 1. He's drinking but doesn't post. There's this post:
On May 10 2015 09:57 Onegu wrote:
Man I really hope I get the traitor just realized I can get that. Then I can be scum!!!
Which is a really odd thought process to me. How could town possibly get the traitor role? Usually town that can become mafia has a different role name. This is also a normal game and therefore no alignment changes should ever happen.
Trfel
Trfel's posts aren't quite in-depth enough for me to really think he's town, but I like the points he's making. Null-town for now and flesh it out more on day 1.
LightningStike
Others have covered this for the most part. LS is the second best lynch for D1.
Damdred
GlowingBear
In looking through things there are a few things I find interesting.
On May 10 2015 12:36 GlowingBear wrote:
4)Kelsen
Null opening. Commenting on something already dropped in the thread it's an easy out for Mafia but the joke made me have a townish gut read on him. A negative read + a positive read = null FUCK YEAH MATHMATEKS.
Then he calls LS out for legit reasons. Townread.
I already know he is mafia because SICK READS (TM)
Saying Rasputin is town for her opening is odd, there is nothing alignment indicative in there, so bad opening.
6)LS
Posts two posts to say he will resort on consolidated posts. Lol I'm tempted to call him Mafia for that but I can see it coming from both alignments... Argh.
I found this post quite odd. Initially so because he reaffirms his Damdred scumread but then bothers to comment on something that's supposed to be viewed as scummy but is just null. The townread on KelsierSC I find interesting because Kelsier also ended up with an odd townread on GlowingBear. But also because GlowingBear doesn't mention Trfel at all while Trfel had an interesting point on how LightningStrike was posting. But in looking further at it, he doesn't seem to place heavy weight on LS being mafia based on talking about how he's going to make consolidated posts. He gives Kelsier a townread for mostly calling out LS for "legit reasons" which GlowingBear doesn't want to follow up on. It's just exceptionally odd. GlowingBear's reads in general are just exceptionally odd on top of that. Initially, I felt like GlowingBear was trying to bus Damdred and Damdred was (at least initially) trying to back him out of that read in a semi-natural way and get GlowingBear to chill out. But in looking more specifically at the connections, the KelsierSC-GlowingBear connection is a bit more odd. I think there are better lynches on day 1 because often enough the person with really weird fucked up reads is just a bad towny which wouldn't be out of place for GlowingBear. But I also wouldn't balk at his lynch since something's definitely wrong here.
5)Damdred
This post is too long already and I need to get some food. I'll comment on him later. tl;dr I think GlowingBear vs Damdred is more likely to be town-town right now.
Nothing of note to say about
Xatalos
batsnacks
ObiWanShinobi
Oatsmaster
justanothertownie
MIAs
Palmer
Stutters
Vivax
Blazinghand
sandroba
RebirthOfLeGend
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8/10
Lol Rayn is Mafia
I mean, TalkingDead
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Blazinghand
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I'm here, I'm just deliberately choosing not to help or post.
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It's always funny when people say me actually coming in to play a game is weird or "out of place". I signed up for the game, what's weird about me coming to play it? Reeks of trying to discredit everything I say before I say it to me. LOL
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On May 11 2015 04:26 GlowingBear wrote:
8/10
Lol Rayn is Mafia
I mean, TalkingDead
I don't understand the rayn read and the mafia read for this post I understand even less.
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On May 11 2015 04:43 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 04:26 GlowingBear wrote:
8/10
Lol Rayn is Mafia
I mean, TalkingDead I don't understand the rayn read and the mafia read for this post I understand even less.
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TalkingDead sounds like try harding Rayn.
TalkingDead jumps Damdred one time and says he will talk about Damdred another time because the post is already too big. He deliberately puts Damdred aside. Two times. But he found things interesting in my interaction with him. Drafts points regarding me but does not drafts points regarding Damdred. How can he assume we are town VS town, argue that in his post, but does not analyse on of his town reads?
Then, if he is saying that he wants to give reasons on Damdred LATER, he can't scumread me for not commenting on Truffle since I clearly stated that I was reading the thread chronologically and stopped analysing people in the middle of it.
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9!
ze awesome ones:
hts - clear town after posting xP
jat - missed his second post lol >< fail rsoul
not quite so awesome but cool
damdy
truffle - lazy ass -_-
xata - toneread based primarily on the below post (inclusive)
On May 10 2015 23:30 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2015 23:09 Stutters695 wrote:
Cool, this started. I don't think I've ever done a n0, anything special about it? Not really except the really strict post restriction.
I can't read the LS post  TLDR / conclusions, if any?KSC: I can sort of agree with the fact that making weird plays (Damdred) more often comes from town. It's just that this assumes that it *was* in fact a prepared play and not to cover up questionable reads. In any case, how exactly did LS's post make you change your read? I at least couldn't really extract anything from it.
ksc
ve - see ve's comment on rol
blah diddy blah diddy blah (i.e. nulls and slight leans not worth mentioning)
marv - just ick
bats
stutters - eh, what's the point of posting at all?
rol - see ve's reasoning
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bm
onegu - get this trying too hard to hammer home that he wanted to be scum this game feeling, frankly
bueno
questions? ask
there's my list for those with poor reading comprehension...things i haven't explained already or that changed got blurbs \o/
also, tbf got a "rayn" feeling of the TalkingDead as well lol ><
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@ TalkingDead Traitor is totes in this game... Read OP, but I cant be it because I didnt read hapas post...
@rsoul Acknowledging you, But this is like my 6th straight town game
@GB I always want to roll scum, well known fact.
@yamato did you roll scum again?
@bats you really expected me to understand that lol... And then you expected ONEGU to comprehend it lol nice.
@LS ignoring me
@everyone else <3 I AM ONEGU!!!
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On May 11 2015 04:03 TalkingDead wrote:yamato77Yamato like many veterans generally gives very few fucks when he can't lynch people. Between tone (slight hopeful, slight asshole) and his color coding, these are far more likely to come from town!yamato. The interesting thing to note is that he doesn't seem to care whatsoever what he says; instead, he pops in, makes a comment and leaves. I for one expect more from him, but there doesn't look like he has any ulterior motive in posting. Rather he just says what he wants to say. That's why I have him as so strongly town. KelsierSCI think he's town mostly based on how obviously hypocritical he is. He spends the first half of his posts talking about how awful other people's post are and how they're wasting posts while he doesn't really bother adding anything himself. That's behavior that I tend to associate with town more than mafia. There's also the aspect that there's no real directional push; rather, it's pecking at a variety of other players. The only reason why I would put him on the town side of null instead of fully town is because his reads are pretty terrible. I find how he backs off of GB rather odd; I can't really understand: Show nested quote +On May 10 2015 19:27 KelsierSC wrote:
He has gone back and looked over his reads and made some alterations which is a towny thing to do. Because when you look at GB's filter, I'm not seeing any alterations in his reads. First post is essentially a joke; GB has 1 moderate length reads post and a post expanding upon his MIA Damdred read. Rather the GB read feels very much like a preemptive defense while trying to push elsewhere. So if either GB or Kelsier flips mafia, then I'd take a heavy look at the other. VisceraEyesI find it rather out of place that VE is somewhat bothering to play if VE is town. I agree with Kelsier that on tone, VE looks a bit towny, but quite often VE has complained about not being able to lynch people. By this I mean that in games like PYP or here, where there's a 'pre-game' phase where you have alignment and can talk but are unable to lynch people quite often he as complained about not bothering to play because there's very little point in playing due to the lack of a perceived threat. He can't realistically threaten to lynch or shoot or nuke or whatever anyone and therefore feels less capable of applying pressure. I do find it odd that he didn't harp on BillMurray's last post at all because usually town!VE hates and tends to scumread the "leading on" type of post. His Batsnacks read and his GB/Batsnacks/Onegu observation are things that I'd normally expect from town!VE though. Since in at least a few of those games VE was mafia and because town!VE reads, I'm going to leave him at null to town. marvellosityI have him as town for tone alone. It's really not worth considering him until day 2 at the very earliest and if he's alive on day 3 then just lynch him. But I will be sheeping him on day 1. HalftheSkyHTS is town. Period. She's made an exceptional number of interesting points (GB reaction to yamato, Damdred's word choice, initial poke at LightningStrike). BillMurrayShow nested quote +On May 10 2015 18:40 Bill Murray wrote:
Oh I've been filter diving. Didn't expect anyone to post.
As per "This rule will not be absolutely strictly enforced" in the op
I hope going 3 posts over isn't a big deal... because I have been working on a massive post tomorrow. This post strikes me as particularly odd. Not only had he donated posts to Damdred, something which historically has happened more from mafia than town, he doesn't use any of his posts productively. He promises more useful things in the bland future. Yet, the most interesting thing to me is his caring about going over the limit. That's a behavior that I expect far more to come from mafia as they know they're part of a team which they would hurt by getting modkilled due to rules. Town tends to just damn the torpedoes and full speed ahead. This is on top of BillMurray not being an awful player as town. By far the best lynch on day 1. OneguThere's a variety of odd things with him. I think he's the third best lynch on day 1. He's drinking but doesn't post. There's this post: Show nested quote +On May 10 2015 09:57 Onegu wrote:
Man I really hope I get the traitor just realized I can get that. Then I can be scum!!! Which is a really odd thought process to me. How could town possibly get the traitor role? Usually town that can become mafia has a different role name. This is also a normal game and therefore no alignment changes should ever happen. TrfelTrfel's posts aren't quite in-depth enough for me to really think he's town, but I like the points he's making. Null-town for now and flesh it out more on day 1. LightningStikeOthers have covered this for the most part. LS is the second best lynch for D1. DamdredGlowingBearIn looking through things there are a few things I find interesting. Show nested quote +On May 10 2015 12:36 GlowingBear wrote:
4)Kelsen
Null opening. Commenting on something already dropped in the thread it's an easy out for Mafia but the joke made me have a townish gut read on him. A negative read + a positive read = null FUCK YEAH MATHMATEKS.
Then he calls LS out for legit reasons. Townread.
I already know he is mafia because SICK READS (TM)
Saying Rasputin is town for her opening is odd, there is nothing alignment indicative in there, so bad opening.
6)LS
Posts two posts to say he will resort on consolidated posts. Lol I'm tempted to call him Mafia for that but I can see it coming from both alignments... Argh.
I found this post quite odd. Initially so because he reaffirms his Damdred scumread but then bothers to comment on something that's supposed to be viewed as scummy but is just null. The townread on KelsierSC I find interesting because Kelsier also ended up with an odd townread on GlowingBear. But also because GlowingBear doesn't mention Trfel at all while Trfel had an interesting point on how LightningStrike was posting. But in looking further at it, he doesn't seem to place heavy weight on LS being mafia based on talking about how he's going to make consolidated posts. He gives Kelsier a townread for mostly calling out LS for "legit reasons" which GlowingBear doesn't want to follow up on. It's just exceptionally odd. GlowingBear's reads in general are just exceptionally odd on top of that. Initially, I felt like GlowingBear was trying to bus Damdred and Damdred was (at least initially) trying to back him out of that read in a semi-natural way and get GlowingBear to chill out. But in looking more specifically at the connections, the KelsierSC-GlowingBear connection is a bit more odd. I think there are better lynches on day 1 because often enough the person with really weird fucked up reads is just a bad towny which wouldn't be out of place for GlowingBear. But I also wouldn't balk at his lynch since something's definitely wrong here. 5) DamdredThis post is too long already and I need to get some food. I'll comment on him later. tl;dr I think GlowingBear vs Damdred is more likely to be town-town right now. Nothing of note to say about Xatalos batsnacks ObiWanShinobi Oatsmaster justanothertownie MIAs Palmer Stutters Vivax Blazinghand sandroba RebirthOfLeGend
how rude.
I suppose the yamato thing is ok...I mean you had him as top town after two of his posts i think which were his all caps dreamflower and his colour code. Maybe you can argue a tone read now but at that point to call him top town i didn't like.
So at this stage if marv wanted to lynch a townread of yours , you would sheep that?
if I may be so bold to colour some of your reads would it be something like this
HTS
GB
Damdred
VE
Lightning Strike
because I have those exact reads yet apparently they are awful so i'm a bit confused.
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So far I'm most suspicious of damdred whose first post particularly bothered me by the sheer amount of BS concentrated in such few words:
On May 10 2015 11:15 GlowingBear wrote:
O, hai!
I'm John Travolta!
Yamato and HTS are Mafia.
This is almost as bad a read as me saying GB is town just saying.
However at this point I have a couple of preliminary town reads I believe just by tone and posting style and somewhat on content.
Rsoultin seems to be genuinely using the posts to press good ideas while pressing issues that are important in the thread.
HTS and Trfel both seem to have a good tone about them and it seems it is easy to follow what they mean while it somewhat mirrors what RS says I think it is a good sign of things to come and both are good leans.
KSC... is a bit harder for me to get a handle on at this point, I have a slight town lean on him. His tone and general demeanor remind me of Void Mafia at this point. However his style is also reminiscent of mini mafia to an extent, but the content is different. I'm pretty ok with him at this point.
LS is interesting, he always wastes posts but we'll see what his other posts do.
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So far HTS had post just his first post which I like others have found pretty underwhelming and somewhat suspicious due to tone. Maybe it's possible damdred doesn't agree with this, but to find it "to have a good tone about them and it seems it is easy to follow what they mean while it somewhat mirrors what RS says" is pretty much impossible imo. This feels very very fake to me.
Also the KSC read that follows is very ircky. It's a pretty weak read but very detailed in some convoluted way to end up arriving in a random conclusion. It does not sit well with me and I believe a towny would wait a bit for his read to mature before giving out this read, since it seems it's just there to fill up space, it's not a strong read and shouldn't be explained so much if no strong conclusion was drawn.
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On May 10 2015 15:24 TalkingDead wrote:
GlowingBear's reads are definitely odd. For example, how he says the read is magic then tries to give a short crappy explanation for why he's scum. I get the sense that Damdred-GlowingBear is either town-town or mafia-mafia. It's odd because Damdred looks reasonably towny and GlowingBear looks like mafia. Damdred despite apparently being a strong player uses pretty weak arguments against him. It just feels like both want to throw shit at each other and neither are interested in actually starting a train on them.
Onegu looks quite odd. Yamato looks really towny though; he can do this as mafia but I'd peg him as town. So far, I'd lynch BillMurray. I've seen him as town and as town he rarely does absolutely nothing and be useless. I would prefer him as a lynch. BlazingHand should be policy lynches/shot ASAP. Rsoultin is being townread for very bad reasons; she's might be town, but nothing he's posted is something she couldn't have or wouldn't have posted as mafia. Otherwise, meh.
Another post that really bothered me was this one. I don't know how he got this idea that it must be town-town or mafia-mafia interaction but he is seems to be adamant about pushing it, but not about explaning why it must be. "It's odd because Damdred looks reasonably towny and GlowingBear looks like mafia." if this was his first impression why come to the conclusion they share the same alignment? Again it looks like and idea he is trying to push and not something that has logic or reasoning behind which feels like mafia agenda. This is further enforced by his next post which he saves himself the trouble of talking about damdred at all but now pushes the idea that it must be a town-town interaction with GB.
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marvellosity's intro is another one that I found pretty meh as well. I would expect more inquiries from him, maybe all condensed into a single post to adapt to the post cap. Instead I found nothing besides a read that I dissagree with. I'm going to keep an eye on him.
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@talkinghead
Quote:
"GlowingBear
In looking through things there are a few things I find interesting.
On May 10 2015 12:36 GlowingBear wrote:
4)Kelsen
Null opening. Commenting on something already dropped in the thread it's an easy out for Mafia but the joke made me have a townish gut read on him. A negative read + a positive read = null FUCK YEAH MATHMATEKS.
Then he calls LS out for legit reasons. Townread.
I already know he is mafia because SICK READS (TM)
Saying Rasputin is town for her opening is odd, there is nothing alignment indicative in there, so bad opening.
6)LS
Posts two posts to say he will resort on consolidated posts. Lol I'm tempted to call him Mafia for that but I can see it coming from both alignments... Argh.
I found this post quite odd. Initially so because he reaffirms his Damdred scumread but then bothers to comment on something that's supposed to be viewed as scummy but is just null. The townread on KelsierSC I find interesting because Kelsier also ended up with an odd townread on GlowingBear. But also because GlowingBear doesn't mention Trfel at all while Trfel had an interesting point on how LightningStrike was posting. But in looking further at it, he doesn't seem to place heavy weight on LS being mafia based on talking about how he's going to make consolidated posts. He gives Kelsier a townread for mostly calling out LS for "legit reasons" which GlowingBear doesn't want to follow up on. It's just exceptionally odd. GlowingBear's reads in general are just exceptionally odd on top of that. Initially, I felt like GlowingBear was trying to bus Damdred and Damdred was (at least initially) trying to back him out of that read in a semi-natural way and get GlowingBear to chill out. But in looking more specifically at the connections, the KelsierSC-GlowingBear connection is a bit more odd. I think there are better lynches on day 1 because often enough the person with really weird fucked up reads is just a bad towny which wouldn't be out of place for GlowingBear. But I also wouldn't balk at his lynch since something's definitely wrong here.
5)Damdred
This post is too long already and I need to get some food. I'll comment on him later. tl;dr I think GlowingBear vs Damdred is more likely to be town-town right now.
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If I'm reading correctly you say there is plenty of reasons to suspect GB, wouldn't be against his lynch because there is definitely something wrong, but somehow you STILL think damdred and GB are the same alignment for some obscure reason that you never revealed AND now you think it's likely the are town-town??? WTF is this shit. I can't buy into a single thing you are saying, this feels like a huge pile of horse shit.
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On May 11 2015 03:47 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 02:00 Half the Sky wrote:3/10 Kelsier - Through the course of the game yes - particularly when I was pushing him D2 and after I died, he was calling me scum hardcore (the only one to do so) in that game. You'd have to read either in the obs qt or the post-game but he was particularly noted for being the only one to scumread me all game, that's how he stuck out that game. Also Kels, I find it interesting you pulled that up because in this game he's saying On May 10 2015 21:24 LightningStrike wrote:
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I remember HTS overreacting to my opening post in Newbie LX and everyone talked about it so it could be alignment indicative for her O_o[spoiler]
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He's saying that because I was scum in Newbie LX, that my opening this game could be alignment indicative. Though that still raises an interesting point. Why does he say "alignment indicative" instead of straight up calling me scummy or leaning scum on me? ah ok I get what you're saying now. you're saying he should very much be calling you scum or town because of the previous game in which you were scum. I thought you were saying at the beginning of that game he called you scum which isn't how I read it. LS has been pretty all over the place so far , kind of looks like floundering scum, pressured into a read and shows a bit of push back calling HTS scum, then instantly retracting and now calling her town. Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 03:25 LightningStrike wrote:On May 11 2015 03:18 Xatalos wrote:On May 11 2015 02:17 LightningStrike wrote:On May 11 2015 02:13 Xatalos wrote:
How is her entrance scum-specific exactly? Does she open some way as scum, not as town? Wait I retracting I had misread it she done this type of entrance as town just been a while since she did (Titanic) sorry about that HTS just bleed town for me please? <3 Right -.- And what's your read now if we ignore that? On May 11 2015 03:15 justanothertownie wrote:On May 11 2015 02:44 marvellosity wrote:
##Vote: BlazingVivax badass Not 3P? Town she had some good large posts on analyzing stuff about GlowingBear and is thinking critically. so LS do you agree with the analysis that HTS did ? HTS I also don't like TD , but i don't agree with your reasons. point 1 is kind of meh, if you don't like someone you can give your read and a reason without asking them a question. Point 2 is ok , I sort of think at first glance the argument damdred puts forward looks strong and it certainly comes from a townie place, but is actually weak in retrospect, I definitely think not explaining why the argument is weak is a negative for him. for point 3 I don't know if he blows it out of proportion, he hasn't really pushed any agenda as far as i'm aware. As i said, he did some stuff I didn't like but nothing like concrete I guess. Your GB points are interesting but I don't think they make him mafia. You don't have to respond every time someone calls you scum or if someone else doesn't share a scumread with you. I think GB is town for some reason But I like the effort your putting in and you have pushed some interesting stuff so I like you so far.
A tiny expect her stuff on me obviously.
On May 11 2015 05:13 Onegu wrote:@ TalkingDead Traitor is totes in this game... Read OP, but I cant be it because I didnt read hapas post... @rsoul Acknowledging you, But this is like my 6th straight town game @GB I always want to roll scum, well known fact. @yamato did you roll scum again? @bats you really expected me to understand that lol... And then you expected ONEGU to comprehend it lol nice. @LS ignoring me @everyone else <3 I AM ONEGU!!!
You already cashed in the VT type of claim so early as scum you need to bleed town.
On May 11 2015 05:23 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 04:03 TalkingDead wrote:yamato77Yamato like many veterans generally gives very few fucks when he can't lynch people. Between tone (slight hopeful, slight asshole) and his color coding, these are far more likely to come from town!yamato. The interesting thing to note is that he doesn't seem to care whatsoever what he says; instead, he pops in, makes a comment and leaves. I for one expect more from him, but there doesn't look like he has any ulterior motive in posting. Rather he just says what he wants to say. That's why I have him as so strongly town. KelsierSCI think he's town mostly based on how obviously hypocritical he is. He spends the first half of his posts talking about how awful other people's post are and how they're wasting posts while he doesn't really bother adding anything himself. That's behavior that I tend to associate with town more than mafia. There's also the aspect that there's no real directional push; rather, it's pecking at a variety of other players. The only reason why I would put him on the town side of null instead of fully town is because his reads are pretty terrible. I find how he backs off of GB rather odd; I can't really understand: On May 10 2015 19:27 KelsierSC wrote:
He has gone back and looked over his reads and made some alterations which is a towny thing to do. Because when you look at GB's filter, I'm not seeing any alterations in his reads. First post is essentially a joke; GB has 1 moderate length reads post and a post expanding upon his MIA Damdred read. Rather the GB read feels very much like a preemptive defense while trying to push elsewhere. So if either GB or Kelsier flips mafia, then I'd take a heavy look at the other. VisceraEyesI find it rather out of place that VE is somewhat bothering to play if VE is town. I agree with Kelsier that on tone, VE looks a bit towny, but quite often VE has complained about not being able to lynch people. By this I mean that in games like PYP or here, where there's a 'pre-game' phase where you have alignment and can talk but are unable to lynch people quite often he as complained about not bothering to play because there's very little point in playing due to the lack of a perceived threat. He can't realistically threaten to lynch or shoot or nuke or whatever anyone and therefore feels less capable of applying pressure. I do find it odd that he didn't harp on BillMurray's last post at all because usually town!VE hates and tends to scumread the "leading on" type of post. His Batsnacks read and his GB/Batsnacks/Onegu observation are things that I'd normally expect from town!VE though. Since in at least a few of those games VE was mafia and because town!VE reads, I'm going to leave him at null to town. marvellosityI have him as town for tone alone. It's really not worth considering him until day 2 at the very earliest and if he's alive on day 3 then just lynch him. But I will be sheeping him on day 1. HalftheSkyHTS is town. Period. She's made an exceptional number of interesting points (GB reaction to yamato, Damdred's word choice, initial poke at LightningStrike). BillMurrayOn May 10 2015 18:40 Bill Murray wrote:
Oh I've been filter diving. Didn't expect anyone to post.
As per "This rule will not be absolutely strictly enforced" in the op
I hope going 3 posts over isn't a big deal... because I have been working on a massive post tomorrow. This post strikes me as particularly odd. Not only had he donated posts to Damdred, something which historically has happened more from mafia than town, he doesn't use any of his posts productively. He promises more useful things in the bland future. Yet, the most interesting thing to me is his caring about going over the limit. That's a behavior that I expect far more to come from mafia as they know they're part of a team which they would hurt by getting modkilled due to rules. Town tends to just damn the torpedoes and full speed ahead. This is on top of BillMurray not being an awful player as town. By far the best lynch on day 1. OneguThere's a variety of odd things with him. I think he's the third best lynch on day 1. He's drinking but doesn't post. There's this post: On May 10 2015 09:57 Onegu wrote:
Man I really hope I get the traitor just realized I can get that. Then I can be scum!!! Which is a really odd thought process to me. How could town possibly get the traitor role? Usually town that can become mafia has a different role name. This is also a normal game and therefore no alignment changes should ever happen. TrfelTrfel's posts aren't quite in-depth enough for me to really think he's town, but I like the points he's making. Null-town for now and flesh it out more on day 1. LightningStikeOthers have covered this for the most part. LS is the second best lynch for D1. DamdredGlowingBearIn looking through things there are a few things I find interesting. On May 10 2015 12:36 GlowingBear wrote:
4)Kelsen
Null opening. Commenting on something already dropped in the thread it's an easy out for Mafia but the joke made me have a townish gut read on him. A negative read + a positive read = null FUCK YEAH MATHMATEKS.
Then he calls LS out for legit reasons. Townread.
I already know he is mafia because SICK READS (TM)
Saying Rasputin is town for her opening is odd, there is nothing alignment indicative in there, so bad opening.
6)LS
Posts two posts to say he will resort on consolidated posts. Lol I'm tempted to call him Mafia for that but I can see it coming from both alignments... Argh.
I found this post quite odd. Initially so because he reaffirms his Damdred scumread but then bothers to comment on something that's supposed to be viewed as scummy but is just null. The townread on KelsierSC I find interesting because Kelsier also ended up with an odd townread on GlowingBear. But also because GlowingBear doesn't mention Trfel at all while Trfel had an interesting point on how LightningStrike was posting. But in looking further at it, he doesn't seem to place heavy weight on LS being mafia based on talking about how he's going to make consolidated posts. He gives Kelsier a townread for mostly calling out LS for "legit reasons" which GlowingBear doesn't want to follow up on. It's just exceptionally odd. GlowingBear's reads in general are just exceptionally odd on top of that. Initially, I felt like GlowingBear was trying to bus Damdred and Damdred was (at least initially) trying to back him out of that read in a semi-natural way and get GlowingBear to chill out. But in looking more specifically at the connections, the KelsierSC-GlowingBear connection is a bit more odd. I think there are better lynches on day 1 because often enough the person with really weird fucked up reads is just a bad towny which wouldn't be out of place for GlowingBear. But I also wouldn't balk at his lynch since something's definitely wrong here. 5) DamdredThis post is too long already and I need to get some food. I'll comment on him later. tl;dr I think GlowingBear vs Damdred is more likely to be town-town right now. Nothing of note to say about Xatalos batsnacks ObiWanShinobi Oatsmaster justanothertownie MIAs Palmer Stutters Vivax Blazinghand sandroba RebirthOfLeGend how rude. I suppose the yamato thing is ok...I mean you had him as top town after two of his posts i think which were his all caps dreamflower and his colour code. Maybe you can argue a tone read now but at that point to call him top town i didn't like. So at this stage if marv wanted to lynch a townread of yours , you would sheep that? if I may be so bold to colour some of your reads would it be something like this HTS GB DamdredVE Lightning Strikebecause I have those exact reads yet apparently they are awful so i'm a bit confused.
Ya TalkingDead seems to contrdict himself there but his read (and yours) is wrong because I am Town not scum.
On May 11 2015 05:33 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2015 15:24 TalkingDead wrote:
GlowingBear's reads are definitely odd. For example, how he says the read is magic then tries to give a short crappy explanation for why he's scum. I get the sense that Damdred-GlowingBear is either town-town or mafia-mafia. It's odd because Damdred looks reasonably towny and GlowingBear looks like mafia. Damdred despite apparently being a strong player uses pretty weak arguments against him. It just feels like both want to throw shit at each other and neither are interested in actually starting a train on them.
Onegu looks quite odd. Yamato looks really towny though; he can do this as mafia but I'd peg him as town. So far, I'd lynch BillMurray. I've seen him as town and as town he rarely does absolutely nothing and be useless. I would prefer him as a lynch. BlazingHand should be policy lynches/shot ASAP. Rsoultin is being townread for very bad reasons; she's might be town, but nothing he's posted is something she couldn't have or wouldn't have posted as mafia. Otherwise, meh. Another post that really bothered me was this one. I don't know how he got this idea that it must be town-town or mafia-mafia interaction but he is seems to be adamant about pushing it, but not about explaning why it must be. "It's odd because Damdred looks reasonably towny and GlowingBear looks like mafia." if this was his first impression why come to the conclusion they share the same alignment? Again it looks like and idea he is trying to push and not something that has logic or reasoning behind which feels like mafia agenda. This is further enforced by his next post which he saves himself the trouble of talking about damdred at all but now pushes the idea that it must be a town-town interaction with GB.
Ya it seems odd but I had seem similar stuff between them when they(GB and Damdred) were town-town maybe he picked up on something on their meta towards each other. Do you think TalkingDead is scum?
On May 11 2015 05:43 sandroba wrote:
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In looking through things there are a few things I find interesting.
On May 10 2015 12:36 GlowingBear wrote:
4)Kelsen
Null opening. Commenting on something already dropped in the thread it's an easy out for Mafia but the joke made me have a townish gut read on him. A negative read + a positive read = null FUCK YEAH MATHMATEKS.
Then he calls LS out for legit reasons. Townread.
I already know he is mafia because SICK READS (TM)
Saying Rasputin is town for her opening is odd, there is nothing alignment indicative in there, so bad opening.
6)LS
Posts two posts to say he will resort on consolidated posts. Lol I'm tempted to call him Mafia for that but I can see it coming from both alignments... Argh.
I found this post quite odd. Initially so because he reaffirms his Damdred scumread but then bothers to comment on something that's supposed to be viewed as scummy but is just null. The townread on KelsierSC I find interesting because Kelsier also ended up with an odd townread on GlowingBear. But also because GlowingBear doesn't mention Trfel at all while Trfel had an interesting point on how LightningStrike was posting. But in looking further at it, he doesn't seem to place heavy weight on LS being mafia based on talking about how he's going to make consolidated posts. He gives Kelsier a townread for mostly calling out LS for "legit reasons" which GlowingBear doesn't want to follow up on. It's just exceptionally odd. GlowingBear's reads in general are just exceptionally odd on top of that. Initially, I felt like GlowingBear was trying to bus Damdred and Damdred was (at least initially) trying to back him out of that read in a semi-natural way and get GlowingBear to chill out. But in looking more specifically at the connections, the KelsierSC-GlowingBear connection is a bit more odd. I think there are better lynches on day 1 because often enough the person with really weird fucked up reads is just a bad towny which wouldn't be out of place for GlowingBear. But I also wouldn't balk at his lynch since something's definitely wrong here.
5)Damdred
This post is too long already and I need to get some food. I'll comment on him later. tl;dr I think GlowingBear vs Damdred is more likely to be town-town right now.
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If I'm reading correctly you say there is plenty of reasons to suspect GB, wouldn't be against his lynch because there is definitely something wrong, but somehow you STILL think damdred and GB are the same alignment for some obscure reason that you never revealed AND now you think it's likely the are town-town??? WTF is this shit. I can't buy into a single thing you are saying, this feels like a huge pile of horse shit.
What think of GlowingBears alignment after breaking this post by him down Sandroba?
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@LS this post was by talkinghead if you cared to read, but maybe my formating is not the best. Anyone who read it will know that I'm very suspicious of both TD and damdred. I didn't say anything about GB in my posts but if you must know I think GB is town.
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On May 11 2015 05:27 sandroba wrote:So far I'm most suspicious of damdred whose first post particularly bothered me by the sheer amount of BS concentrated in such few words: Show nested quote +On May 10 2015 sometime damdred wrote:On May 10 2015 11:15 GlowingBear wrote:
O, hai!
I'm John Travolta!
Yamato and HTS are Mafia. This is almost as bad a read as me saying GB is town just saying. However at this point I have a couple of preliminary town reads I believe just by tone and posting style and somewhat on content. Rsoultin seems to be genuinely using the posts to press good ideas while pressing issues that are important in the thread. HTS and Trfel both seem to have a good tone about them and it seems it is easy to follow what they mean while it somewhat mirrors what RS says I think it is a good sign of things to come and both are good leans. KSC... is a bit harder for me to get a handle on at this point, I have a slight town lean on him. His tone and general demeanor remind me of Void Mafia at this point. However his style is also reminiscent of mini mafia to an extent, but the content is different. I'm pretty ok with him at this point. LS is interesting, he always wastes posts but we'll see what his other posts do. So far HTS had post just his first post which I like others have found pretty underwhelming and somewhat suspicious due to tone. Maybe it's possible damdred doesn't agree with this, but to find it "to have a good tone about them and it seems it is easy to follow what they mean while it somewhat mirrors what RS says" is pretty much impossible imo. This feels very very fake to me. Also the KSC read that follows is very ircky. It's a pretty weak read but very detailed in some convoluted way to end up arriving in a random conclusion. It does not sit well with me and I believe a towny would wait a bit for his read to mature before giving out this read, since it seems it's just there to fill up space, it's not a strong read and shouldn't be explained so much if no strong conclusion was drawn.
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