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On May 07 2015 02:30 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 02:24 ritoky wrote:On May 07 2015 02:20 Stutters695 wrote:On May 07 2015 02:10 sicklucker wrote:On May 07 2015 02:02 Stutters695 wrote:On May 07 2015 01:56 sicklucker wrote:On May 07 2015 01:53 Stutters695 wrote:On May 07 2015 01:36 sicklucker wrote:On May 07 2015 01:30 Stutters695 wrote:
Sorry guys, busy at work (catering a shit load of luncheons today). Where in the blue hell are you getting 75% from?
Homeboy might be scum, but I'm not getting how you reach those odds. 50% chance theres a veteran in the game. Mafia will always roleblock ff last night incase hes a veteran so they dont lose a kp. This is just standard mafia play and the correct play. Maybe I should lower it a bit because it is a newbie game but I know super 100% makes this play. 0-25% added because super might claim rb as mafia even if theres not a veteran because he has won games doing it before (meta) thats how I got 50-75% Do you remember what game he claimed RB as scum in? 75% is a strong estimate. That looks real bad for you (like almost have to lynch you d3 bad) if he flips town so I want to see where you're coming from. Hts just linked it. Its not me to say if you should lynch me if im wrong or not. But making mathematical mechanical game decisions is kind of my town play style and im right more then im wrong I'll check it out when I have more time, but if you're wrong you've contributed next to nothing and will have caused a mislynch based on probability rather than anything really mafia related. I'll check out your previous games tonight/tomorrow (no rush on that really since it wouldn't be applicable until d3 in this case), but surely you can see how bad that would look. Im offering you a really good lynch math does not lie! This preflip blame is hella scummy We've had a really good lynch since n1 and you're directing attention away from him on the basis of a RB claim. That's hella scummy. am assuming you mean prpl? if he was such a good lynch, why did you do nothing to get him lynched? Obviously. My points are all throughout my filter and they haven't changed because he still is doing nothing. If you want me to rehash everything into a 5p essay I can, but it should be completely unnecessary. The dude is scum.
yes but on day 1 you didn't put prp and the word lynch near eachother. in fact the only person you considered lynching was scott. you didn't really try to convince any1 of your case on prp, and then immediately following the flip you got high and mighty and was like "voting for prp no matter what" and now you're saying he has been a good candidate all game. well obviously not good enough for you to try to make the lynch day 1. you seemed very content where your vote was, and this seems like revisionist history a bit.
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On May 07 2015 02:40 Stutters695 wrote:Go read any game I play lol. If you get 3 pages out of me d1 it's a miracle. Honestly, it's not the best in newbies, but it's very established for my meta. There is a reason HtS was on my side about it d1. Anyway that's like the 7th time I've explained it. Eyes forward now, I'm done with that. Why don't we lynch prpl?
i did read your filter,
On May 04 2015 02:14 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 02:03 ritoky wrote:On May 04 2015 02:01 y0su wrote:On May 04 2015 01:54 ritoky wrote:On May 04 2015 01:46 Superbia wrote:
Ritoky you want to share your scum reads so far or do you just wanna chill and see for a little? maybe scott and maybe shining atm are my top 2. not particularly firm on either. am moreso looking for towns right now. i think me, ff, -c- are pretty much town. then superbia, and prp are 2nd tier town for now. been busy (working on my lists when I get to sit at the computer) quite curious about how you put someone on your team (even t2) with just a few posts? he made one of the highest quality observations in the thread in regard to shining and i had literally the exact same thought reading the exact same thing: On May 03 2015 08:40 prplhz wrote:On May 03 2015 08:34 The Shining wrote:
I'm going to go ahead and be as useless as always D1. Let's do this. Willing to lynch Super, FF, Scott so far.
Super wants to lynch Scott for opening with a town claim. FF and Super willing to lynch Scott off that. It's cuz Scott looks bad off of an unpressured town claim. FF and Super setting up to bus Scott d1 if needed.
Super, FF, Scott scumteam gg this is rubbing me the WRONG WAY On May 03 2015 08:41 prplhz wrote:
like he's trying to make up some excuse for being useless and then he tries to solve the game and that like 30 posts into the game he is also giving definitive alignment reads instead of hedging. if i remember prp's play right he hedges a lot more as mafia. Debatable. Prpl posts a shit load as town. Not to mention that's literally his only insight so far. It's early but I don't consider anything he's said as definitive.
On May 04 2015 03:56 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 03:39 prplhz wrote:On May 04 2015 02:25 Stutters695 wrote:On May 04 2015 02:20 ritoky wrote:On May 04 2015 02:14 Stutters695 wrote:On May 04 2015 02:03 ritoky wrote:On May 04 2015 02:01 y0su wrote:On May 04 2015 01:54 ritoky wrote:On May 04 2015 01:46 Superbia wrote:
Ritoky you want to share your scum reads so far or do you just wanna chill and see for a little? maybe scott and maybe shining atm are my top 2. not particularly firm on either. am moreso looking for towns right now. i think me, ff, -c- are pretty much town. then superbia, and prp are 2nd tier town for now. been busy (working on my lists when I get to sit at the computer) quite curious about how you put someone on your team (even t2) with just a few posts? he made one of the highest quality observations in the thread in regard to shining and i had literally the exact same thought reading the exact same thing: On May 03 2015 08:40 prplhz wrote:On May 03 2015 08:34 The Shining wrote:
I'm going to go ahead and be as useless as always D1. Let's do this. Willing to lynch Super, FF, Scott so far.
Super wants to lynch Scott for opening with a town claim. FF and Super willing to lynch Scott off that. It's cuz Scott looks bad off of an unpressured town claim. FF and Super setting up to bus Scott d1 if needed.
Super, FF, Scott scumteam gg this is rubbing me the WRONG WAY On May 03 2015 08:41 prplhz wrote:
like he's trying to make up some excuse for being useless and then he tries to solve the game and that like 30 posts into the game he is also giving definitive alignment reads instead of hedging. if i remember prp's play right he hedges a lot more as mafia. Debatable. Prpl posts a shit load as town. Not to mention that's literally his only insight so far. It's early but I don't consider anything he's said as definitive. ? we thinking of the same guy? prp is a low volume poster as both alignments. he is like a 9-11 page over course of an entire game kind of player from my experience. He had 15 pages in NSM7. if you want to lynch me for low post count then you should do it now because i'm going to post a lot less this game. that game (like many other games) i tried to spam myself town. that's also why i have joined out of time mafia, because i want to stop spamming so much. anyway the reason i haven't posted a lot is because i haven't been around. @superbia @ritoky what do you think about celestial? he is coming on as super tryhard, like nothing i've ever seen before. he stands out a lot compared to the general relaxed atmosphere in the thread. didn't filter him yet (dunno how much i can get out of that this early anyway) but it's just something that been sticking out a lot. also @superbia happy birthday! Spam yourself town. LOL. Is that what you're calling that? You established yourself as pretty town d1 there, then went completely mia as town imploded. Then came back spamming bullshit. If that's your strategy as town you need to step your game up real bad. So far this game you've less and I was even trying not to tunnel you after that trainwreck of a game. Yet somehow, you just have a very lynchable face yet again. How about you read C's filter and give me a reason not to lynch you instead of just saying "that stands out"
On May 05 2015 01:14 Stutters695 wrote:
Prpl still missing I see.
here are all of your posts before the flip on prpl. this is not him "being a good target since d1" or you pushing a lynch on him. yes you had a scum read, but for him to be a "good target" that means you have to push him as the lynch candidate and really make the case for him being scum. you made no cases, never called for his lynch, and instead did a lot of this:
On May 05 2015 04:30 Stutters695 wrote:
Sorry guys, busy day. I would still do Scott. Playing in 2 games is rough.
so sorry if i am not buying your revisionist history.
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super, what do you think of me null reading you cuz of your mason thing?
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On May 07 2015 02:42 Superbia wrote:
We don't lynch prp because prp subscribed to my thought patterns d1, which buys him a no-lynch today.
How in the seven hells do you want to lynch prp when people like the shining have not done anything after pressure was removed.
i am kinda about that shining/disform life. after i see where this line of inquiry goes with stutters.
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On May 07 2015 02:39 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 02:30 ritoky wrote:
hts you think that 2 of the 4 people who didn't vote on a townie d1 are mafia? and that of those 4, me and disform are the most town?
think about it in that light. I think I understand you. You're saying that is it possible that 2 scum voted me....but disinformation voted Scott. Wagon was 3 votes on me, you sup and prp. I'm trying to avoid associations. It is possible that scum can form counterwagon to remove attention from themselves, though Superbia did that when the wagon on Scott was high. He wasn't invested in the Scott lynch at all. So this is a point in favour of him. D2 I didn't just have a problem with one quote, I have problems with multiple things. If he can explain that, then it's one thing. prplhz on the other hand looked really bad. I don't recall him being invested in that lynch, but he was trying to push me from the backseat (unlike you and Superbia). I'm not scumreading disinformation (yet). I picked his brain a little and he's looking okay for now. Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 02:30 ritoky wrote:
also i am pretty sure a literal 0 amount of people have called superbia town this game. maybe 1. so the lynch seems a lot easier to me with multiple people essentially pre-voting. For what I recall, there are three people that scummed him relatively solidly. That's hardly a majority. Celestial did D1 but it was associative, and now he's not sure. Stutters and myself had problems with him, and I still do. The newbies - I have no idea where they stand. Shining - no clue if his reads have changed. You I thought townread him.
i think if 2 mafia didn't vote on the lead wagon, which is unlikely because the majority of mafia statistically votes on the lead wagon day 1. then it is likely disform + prp/superb. i doubt they would consolidate on the 3 man counterwagon, the association is too strong. however, statistically speaking there is likely 1 outside of the main wagon and 2 inside of it, from a numbers perspective.
and your read right there on disform is exactly what i am talking about. people keep giving him cheap town reads.
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On May 07 2015 02:56 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 02:45 ritoky wrote:On May 07 2015 02:40 Stutters695 wrote:On May 07 2015 02:25 ritoky wrote:
EBWOP: why did you do nothing d1 Go read any game I play lol. If you get 3 pages out of me d1 it's a miracle. Honestly, it's not the best in newbies, but it's very established for my meta. There is a reason HtS was on my side about it d1. Anyway that's like the 7th time I've explained it. Eyes forward now, I'm done with that. Why don't we lynch prpl? i did read your filter, On May 04 2015 02:14 Stutters695 wrote:On May 04 2015 02:03 ritoky wrote:On May 04 2015 02:01 y0su wrote:On May 04 2015 01:54 ritoky wrote:On May 04 2015 01:46 Superbia wrote:
Ritoky you want to share your scum reads so far or do you just wanna chill and see for a little? maybe scott and maybe shining atm are my top 2. not particularly firm on either. am moreso looking for towns right now. i think me, ff, -c- are pretty much town. then superbia, and prp are 2nd tier town for now. been busy (working on my lists when I get to sit at the computer) quite curious about how you put someone on your team (even t2) with just a few posts? he made one of the highest quality observations in the thread in regard to shining and i had literally the exact same thought reading the exact same thing: On May 03 2015 08:40 prplhz wrote:On May 03 2015 08:34 The Shining wrote:
I'm going to go ahead and be as useless as always D1. Let's do this. Willing to lynch Super, FF, Scott so far.
Super wants to lynch Scott for opening with a town claim. FF and Super willing to lynch Scott off that. It's cuz Scott looks bad off of an unpressured town claim. FF and Super setting up to bus Scott d1 if needed.
Super, FF, Scott scumteam gg this is rubbing me the WRONG WAY On May 03 2015 08:41 prplhz wrote:
like he's trying to make up some excuse for being useless and then he tries to solve the game and that like 30 posts into the game he is also giving definitive alignment reads instead of hedging. if i remember prp's play right he hedges a lot more as mafia. Debatable. Prpl posts a shit load as town. Not to mention that's literally his only insight so far. It's early but I don't consider anything he's said as definitive. On May 04 2015 03:56 Stutters695 wrote:On May 04 2015 03:39 prplhz wrote:On May 04 2015 02:25 Stutters695 wrote:On May 04 2015 02:20 ritoky wrote:On May 04 2015 02:14 Stutters695 wrote:On May 04 2015 02:03 ritoky wrote:On May 04 2015 02:01 y0su wrote:On May 04 2015 01:54 ritoky wrote:
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maybe scott and maybe shining atm are my top 2. not particularly firm on either. am moreso looking for towns right now.
i think me, ff, -c- are pretty much town. then superbia, and prp are 2nd tier town for now. been busy (working on my lists when I get to sit at the computer) quite curious about how you put someone on your team (even t2) with just a few posts? he made one of the highest quality observations in the thread in regard to shining and i had literally the exact same thought reading the exact same thing: On May 03 2015 08:40 prplhz wrote:On May 03 2015 08:34 The Shining wrote:
I'm going to go ahead and be as useless as always D1. Let's do this. Willing to lynch Super, FF, Scott so far.
Super wants to lynch Scott for opening with a town claim. FF and Super willing to lynch Scott off that. It's cuz Scott looks bad off of an unpressured town claim. FF and Super setting up to bus Scott d1 if needed.
Super, FF, Scott scumteam gg this is rubbing me the WRONG WAY On May 03 2015 08:41 prplhz wrote:
like he's trying to make up some excuse for being useless and then he tries to solve the game and that like 30 posts into the game he is also giving definitive alignment reads instead of hedging. if i remember prp's play right he hedges a lot more as mafia. Debatable. Prpl posts a shit load as town. Not to mention that's literally his only insight so far. It's early but I don't consider anything he's said as definitive. ? we thinking of the same guy? prp is a low volume poster as both alignments. he is like a 9-11 page over course of an entire game kind of player from my experience. He had 15 pages in NSM7. if you want to lynch me for low post count then you should do it now because i'm going to post a lot less this game. that game (like many other games) i tried to spam myself town. that's also why i have joined out of time mafia, because i want to stop spamming so much. anyway the reason i haven't posted a lot is because i haven't been around. @superbia @ritoky what do you think about celestial? he is coming on as super tryhard, like nothing i've ever seen before. he stands out a lot compared to the general relaxed atmosphere in the thread. didn't filter him yet (dunno how much i can get out of that this early anyway) but it's just something that been sticking out a lot. also @superbia happy birthday! Spam yourself town. LOL. Is that what you're calling that? You established yourself as pretty town d1 there, then went completely mia as town imploded. Then came back spamming bullshit. If that's your strategy as town you need to step your game up real bad. So far this game you've less and I was even trying not to tunnel you after that trainwreck of a game. Yet somehow, you just have a very lynchable face yet again. How about you read C's filter and give me a reason not to lynch you instead of just saying "that stands out" On May 05 2015 01:14 Stutters695 wrote:
Prpl still missing I see. here are all of your posts before the flip on prpl. this is not him "being a good target since d1" or you pushing a lynch on him. yes you had a scum read, but for him to be a "good target" that means you have to push him as the lynch candidate and really make the case for him being scum. you made no cases, never called for his lynch, and instead did a lot of this: On May 05 2015 04:30 Stutters695 wrote:
Sorry guys, busy day. I would still do Scott. Playing in 2 games is rough. so sorry if i am not buying your revisionist history. Since n1 not d1, what the fuck are you on about revisionist history. I gave him d1 to do anything. He didn't. He still hasn't, that's scum prpl in a nutshell. HtS made additional points. If you won't do it from my posts, read hers and lynch him.
the only difference btwn d1 and n1 is scott flipped town. why does scott flipping town make prpl more likely mafia?
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prp is a role or mafia, take that 1 to the bank. had that read since like his 3rd or 4th post. waiting on his claim.
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oh...disform is voting on shining...well that kinda makes it a head scratcher....bleh i need to read both of them tonight more thoroughly.
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On May 07 2015 02:50 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 02:39 Half the Sky wrote:On May 07 2015 02:30 ritoky wrote:
hts you think that 2 of the 4 people who didn't vote on a townie d1 are mafia? and that of those 4, me and disform are the most town?
think about it in that light. I think I understand you. You're saying that is it possible that 2 scum voted me....but disinformation voted Scott. Wagon was 3 votes on me, you sup and prp. I'm trying to avoid associations. It is possible that scum can form counterwagon to remove attention from themselves, though Superbia did that when the wagon on Scott was high. He wasn't invested in the Scott lynch at all. So this is a point in favour of him. D2 I didn't just have a problem with one quote, I have problems with multiple things. If he can explain that, then it's one thing. prplhz on the other hand looked really bad. I don't recall him being invested in that lynch, but he was trying to push me from the backseat (unlike you and Superbia). I'm not scumreading disinformation (yet). I picked his brain a little and he's looking okay for now. On May 07 2015 02:30 ritoky wrote:
also i am pretty sure a literal 0 amount of people have called superbia town this game. maybe 1. so the lynch seems a lot easier to me with multiple people essentially pre-voting. For what I recall, there are three people that scummed him relatively solidly. That's hardly a majority. Celestial did D1 but it was associative, and now he's not sure. Stutters and myself had problems with him, and I still do. The newbies - I have no idea where they stand. Shining - no clue if his reads have changed. You I thought townread him. i think if 2 mafia didn't vote on the lead wagon, which is unlikely because the majority of mafia statistically votes on the lead wagon day 1. then it is likely disform + prp/superb. i doubt they would consolidate on the 3 man counterwagon, the association is too strong. however, statistically speaking there is likely 1 outside of the main wagon and 2 inside of it, from a numbers perspective. and your read right there on disform is exactly what i am talking about. people keep giving him cheap town reads.
dood...i fucked this up so bad in my spreadsheet. i swapped ticktock and disform. god damnit, my spreadsheet skills are a d+ this game, that's what i get when i take a month off.
EBWOP: disform + prp/superb -> ticktock + prp/superb
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On May 07 2015 03:00 ritoky wrote:
prp is a role or mafia, take that 1 to the bank. had that read since like his 3rd or 4th post. waiting on his claim.
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@disform, i will have questions when i can read your filter later. but mostly i just don't think you are so obviously town to deserve all the cheap town reads you are getting. and you seem to just accept them. when ppl town read me and i don't feel particularly overwhelmingly town i am like...wtf why you town reading me?
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on phone so don't have much capabilities of posting quality info.
but i think there's at least 1 between ticktock and prp. and 1 between y0su and shining.
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unless prp comes in and claims a role and doesn't get cc'd. then i have to reconsider. i mean..i am probably lynching him unless he claims/
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On May 07 2015 06:47 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 06:41 ritoky wrote:
on phone so don't have much capabilities of posting quality info.
but i think there's at least 1 between ticktock and prp. and 1 between y0su and shining. Would love to see you come back when not on mobile and actually explain this. Because I'm in your filter right now and this isn't what I'm seeing. Do tell.
ticktock and prp, 1 mafia probably voting outside of the main wagon. as of now superbia is null with town indicators. i am confirmed town. this leaves ticktock and prp. prp is role or mafia. ticktock wasted his vote.
y0su's reason for greening me is bad. his reads are too conformy, and i don't buy his remorse and what i said would have changed his vote line all that much. you fighting with him and bit and pushing on eachother doesn't feel like 2 town fighting. 1 of you is mafia. for you being mafia, would take more time and capabilities to explain.
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reads evolve over time. to answer your other post. i liked y0su cuz he did a thing almost exactly how i did it when i was new to these forums. it was calling me mafia for it. i green checked him and he fucked off his read on me, and it has eventually changed into a green check. i like how after i town read him he started softening on me. that's why it slowly changed over time.
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hm that made no sense. y0su doing cool stuff that i like to scum read me, i TR him, he softens on me cuz of my TR, he then greens me for bad reason, i no like.
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@hts: don't understand the relevancy of your question. there's a lot of game, if your primary reason is tone at this point, read is pretty meh.
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i guess to try and summarize in a small amount of text why shining could be mafia instead of y0su. it has to do with always being behind in the thread, summary information, only really doing shit when pinged out, and the like.
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On May 07 2015 07:14 The Shining wrote:
Disregard my last post. I thought you posted and left. Lets talk, if you still have time.
I agree with the off wagon mafia point. Thing is, and I hate to use this, but I've seen ppl defend TTs vote, as well as TT defending it, too. Newbie, pressured, etc.
Prp doesn't have that excuse.
Mmmm welp yosus my next filter. I didn't like what Super pointed out about him seeming to make excuses for me. It's a stretch but scum yosu would know my alignment and would be weary of being blamed for pushing my ml the hardest without interacting with me or finding solid to scum me on. He doesn't have that on me so he makes an excuse.
in a waiting room @ the doctor, have as much time as they are behind in schedule. tt maybe confused newbie; but also could just be mafia not wanting their name attached to a town death. dunno i need to revisit filter after prp claims or doesn't.
y0su has been ignored by most players all game. that bugs me.
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On May 07 2015 07:18 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 07:12 ritoky wrote:
@hts: don't understand the relevancy of your question. there's a lot of game, if your primary reason is tone at this point, read is pretty meh. The way I read it, you're scumming her for her tone shift(tone reasoning), then criticizing the Superbia because of tone. So when is it acceptable and when isn't it? You got at me for inconsistencies in my reads(towning A for doing xyz but not B, who also did xyz). What I see here is you scumming for xyz, then criticizing the Superbia train for xyz.
i had a small scum read on her for it that i was intentionally blowing out of proportion to try and get a 2nd wagon for vote info. it mildly worked. in reality it was a small scum read. and yes i think by day 2 if you start your superbia is mafia reads with "he sounds off" and people really key in on that. it is a meh read that is probably bad.
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