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On May 09 2015 08:15 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2015 08:08 The Shining wrote:
Do a little dance.
Make a little love.
Shoot scum tonight. Gj super, GG and gj Dis, gg Stutters.
Only gf left. Kind of torn between ritoky, yosu, sl for last scummer. Need to do some reading. Why ritoky? Are you suggesting the post counterclaim? Now that Stutters flipped, I can explain a town motivation for that. It's a newbie game, he could try and WIFOM the night kill....maybe? I have seen some town/some scum motivations in his actions over the first cycle or two. But I really... Do you think he'd question Stutters the way he did if he were scum? Not sure if ritoky would be the type to bus his entire team like that. Based on his scum survivalist meta, probably not. I don't think he's a high risk player.
Pretty much. But yeah, it's looking a lot less likely with the Stutters questioning. Also, adhering to that survivalist meta, it would be pretty obvious to out yourself at night like that now that we know he isn't the doc(scum would know the nk was on dis and effectively disprove ritos cc). It's too sloppy for scum now that I think about it, especially for a vet.
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On May 09 2015 08:17 Half the Sky wrote:
sicklucker has played the way he has as both alignments. Lynching him would be a policy lynch.
y0su is the one that needs most pressure I'd think.
Yes but his reaction to my scumming him consisted of wtf in obv town, Shining comes across as scum frustrated that I'm obvtown.
First of all, he's not obvtown or I wouldn't suspect him lol. Second, if this isn't omgus, idk what is.
There is only one scum left. How can I be frustrated scum if yosu is his scum? Super is conftown so his other scumread is void.
If yosu flips town, there's no way I don't lynch SL, policy or not.
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And until he shows me otherwise, those are what his reads are. His lack of activity and reading doesn't give me any faith that they'll change or that they're anything other than a scumreaf on a blue, and omgus on me, and a scumread on yosu. I need to see how authentic that yosu read feels.
Note that Stutters wasn't on that list.
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Yeah I keep saying reading time, need to check x...
I'm still sort of here if anyone shows up and wants to talk but I'll be focusing on filters, for the most part.
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On May 09 2015 08:35 Superbia wrote:
Though I guess I should save my cheers for after we lynch last scum.
My personal town goal is to lynch last scum before you're nkd. Rolling 3 scum in 3 phases would feel great.
And I'm glad you shot Stutters. A few people showed support for that shot, including me.
Wonder if there's any chance the last scum tried to push the vig shot onto someone else?
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Fair. And yeah, I guess that's the right term...I'll be actively lurking and putting my thoughts/questions into the thread so I can remember to answer them.
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On May 09 2015 08:42 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2015 08:33 The Shining wrote:
Note that Stutters wasn't on that list. Oh shit, scum tend to ignore their scumbuddies in any reads together. That is another point against y0su. Alright, now I'm out.
Wait, did yosu not scum Stutters either?
I was actually talking about SL in that post...He voted Super and had him as scum before the vig claim, along with yosu.
And I just revisited SLs filter. I'm back to bad town on him, I completely misread. He scummed Stutters, not Super, and made two posts about Stutters, regarding motivation for killing FF(Stutters towned him) & attacking his unexplained tr on FF. I don't think scum buddy does that to scumbuddy.
Lynch yosu. SL, can you please read and not make yourself a plynch this late in-game?
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Spoiler contains all 5 posts in yosus 5 page filter regarding Stutters.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 06 2015 16:13 y0su wrote: -Celestial- I see why my filter looks so poor, I've been too worried about being wrong. There's clear thoughts and direction in almost every post. I have no idea why/how he survived the night! Tictock He's also one of the few people that expressed hesitation to jump on the "easy" train. I felt the same as d1 rookie town. I believe the way he voted was just a rookie mistake. disformation is it supposed to be dis INformation? (that's not a read on him, just curious if people have been writing his name like that on purpose?) His smiles bug me - they make me feel like he's trying to win favor. Trying to sound friendly and helpful. However, a few of his posts have well explained thought processes and I'll chalk up his indecision on learning - for now. ritoky + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2015 07:59 ritoky wrote:
IMAGINE THIS: YOURE GOING TO GET LYNCHED ALMOST 100%? AND HTS IS THE OTHER WAGON. AS MAFIA SCOTT, DO YOU A) PUSH ON HTS OR B) GO ON SOMEONE ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.
gluck, hope you guys chose right. at least we got some 2ndary wagon info. This post would have changed my vote. I'll be making every effort to be active every EoD. The Shining giving him red on tone. Very willing to reconsider if/when we get d2 stuff he's promised. Half the Sky beyond "holding my hand" - for which she got T (as it seems very town beneficial) - her posts show a lot of effort and supported conclusions. Sorry, having trouble keeping my eyes open... I'll get back with super, prp, sl and stutters (but the last 3 at least need to step up a bit) On May 07 2015 04:35 y0su wrote:Superbia d1 posting was sporadic and I can let some go with his birthday. His EoD comes off as either just super rushed or trying to create confusion. His posts read like he doesn't have any aim but to get people to vote HtS in a hurry. His posts have a lot of pressure (am I using that right?) to get answers but any conclusions he keeps to himself. He also does a 180 on HtS (based on her meta - not that he survived the night) but keeps his (unexplained) pressure on dis (although as a 3rd wagon). I like is desire for multiple trains but that seems NAI *I haven't had a chance to read his latest - HtS wanted some EoD analysis* Okay, he's gone full red with his defense of prpl. I think we can have 2 wagons without defending one of them. prplhz more like rdhz. No d1 excuse... no filter.. OMGUS vote on HtS. All of that could change if we get some d2 out of him. I particularly don't like + Show Spoiler +you guys need to push this hts thing btw. don't know when's the last time i saw a scum be up for lynch and then oppose the alternative wagon (well okay i sort of did that when it was me or LS in titanic but that was probably a bad move lol). I've been waiting for some d2 content from him... all I see is statistical claims. (one of my favorite quotes of all times is "figures don't lie, but liars do the figuring"). Since then, I've always been a skeptic and need some proof(s). "75% of statistics are made up" Stutters695 another "no d1" case... but picking up a bit more now. His posts seem to have direction but it's all at prp without much more than meta. So far I'm not trying to form a scum team so I'm not concerned with a red read voting another red read. Going to be on more now and looking into d2 more critically (especially the interactions of the reds and half red) On May 07 2015 08:32 y0su wrote:
Stutters, after prpl who's your top scum? On May 08 2015 02:31 y0su wrote: On May 09 2015 05:48 y0su wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2015 22:50 Half the Sky wrote:On May 08 2015 11:09 The Shining wrote:
Yeah I was excusing the vote, not scumming him for it, and he comes back and tells me it's not alignment indicative. Felt like a defensive post, and unnecessary.
And I'd lynch him solely off of doing that more than once, while trying to direct blues without reading. I can't even begin to fathom where that town motivation would come from. Shining he has done this as both alignments. If sicklucker is scum, it's not for this. What I'm more interested in, is how he knew he wanted to lynch Stutters and y0su earlier. I asked him earlier who other than Superbia he wanted to lynch - he replied Stutters and y0su without any reasoning. SL, what do you think on y0su now? I don't have much time to answer everything... I would shoot you. I'm bad at reading what people post, but I think I'm catching on to some of the logic behind moves. Why did Super get RB'd and FF NK'd? The events leading up to EoD1 have Super pushing hardest for the train to move from scott to HtS. Let's assuming our two roles are indeed Doc/Vig. Why RB Super and NK FF? I thought FF's play towards the end of the day was a bit weak, why NK him? Medic dodge?. Yes, but why? Super was coming strong after HtS (when I read it later I thought it was just an attempt to get a 2nd train - especially with how he decided he didn't want a d2 lynch of HtS.) But what if scum didn't read it that way (at least during the night?) Now, there were 3 people on the HtS wagon (one being Prpl) and one vote on Prpl (so 3 potential vigilantes to look out for). They guessed right and RB'd the biggest danger to HtS (If HtS wasn't scum, WHY RB SOMEONE GUNNING FOR HER??). Now, why not just kill Super? Again, with his EoD charge against HtS it would look kind of obvious to kill him (and there's the possibility that he had a doc visit since Ritoky + Show Spoiler +beyond pro play by dis to pick up the CC in place of Ritoky, just a shame Ritoky thanked him instead of keeping up the charade was on that train as well and might have anticipated the danger to Super. Beyond that, I think SL and his "I do math for a living - trust me" is my "wtf stutters is town" #3. Anyway, been a long and hard day (had to put my cat down today) and I have a tournament to wake up early for tomorrow. (I'll recheck the thread in about 15 min before going to bed)
First one is first half of list posts. A ton of town reads, and a half/half on me. Scum has trouble finding scum because they know who scum is. Much easier to to give town reads to town than scum them. Cel's tr is fluff. "Clear direction" yet no examples. TT's tr is saying his vote was bad but it's a rookie mistake. Newbie judging newbie. As a newbie, I remember being more paranoid, not less, over a fellow newbie making a mistake like that. Dis is slight town lean. He at least used an example for ritoky but he doesn't explain how post makes him town. HtS easiest tr in game imo.
Who does he leave out? Both scummers, Super, SL. His second post gets to them and here's where it's interesting. Assuming scum knew they wanted to rb Super and suspected him blue, it makes sense that he'd scum Super and see if there was any chance for a blue mislynch. Note the effort and size of Supers read compared to anyone else's. He sets up Super for defending prpl...while setting himself up to bus prpl next read. Considering he wasn't flipped yet, Yosu seems pretty sure Super is scum for defending scum Prpl. And his reasons for scumming prpl are one liners, where Supers is a paragraph. Looks like a bus, with a nice little caveat that Prpl playing d2 could completely change this scumread. Then he scums SL off of activity and only talking numbers.
Then Stutters. Another "no d1" case, by his own admission. So how are SL and Prpl scum for activity, but not Stutters? He implies the Stutters push on prp is weak(seems to have direction [b]but[/] It's all at prp with not much more than meta.
Next post. He asks Stutters a question. Scum have trouble interacting in thread and drawing conclusions from said interactions. What happens? Stutters misses the question and yosu asks again. Then he never addresses this ever again. No conclusion. I'm not even sure he ever got an answer. But instead of doing the town thing and realizing his "nullread" is avoiding his questioning and trying to deduce said nullread's alignment, he never addresses it again. I also don't remember seeing any attempt to figure out or interact with his other scumreads, Super AND SL. Admittedly, though, I was paying much more attention to his Stutters and prp reads/interactions.
His next post even mentioning stutters is a post throwing a bad tinfoil theory regarding HtS being scum and that she should be vig shot. Who was the current expected vig shot? Stutters.
I think I just cased our gf, girls and boys.
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On May 09 2015 09:43 sicklucker wrote:
why should i do anything shining? the other 8 players in the game besides the likely mafia all think im town. I helped push scum on stutters he pushed scum on me
One of my recent posts said I dove your filter and caught you scumming Stutters. And that game you fakeclaimed vet as scum is proof you try as scum. I've already got you back at bad/lazy town.
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Thoughts on my Stutters-yosu association case, go go go.
Honestly, I'd lynch ritoky after yosu, as well. Inb4 I'm scum for scumming SL and now agreeing with him. Main problem was lack of reading and playing but filter diving and these last few posts make it pretty clear I'm off on SL.
That and I thought he had recently scummed Super/yosu, not Stutters/yosu. Damn S names.
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On May 09 2015 10:07 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2015 01:30 ritoky wrote:
y'know i gave prp a early town read cuz he made a quality observation, then i layed off him cuz he did a "fuck you" post, which always gives me the hots. but this kinda disengaged is kinda meh. you're falling on my list big boy.
stutters is also declining rapidly at this point.
place them both on the lynchable list. the classic bad scumplay double bus tho LOL
Hm this is very interesting. But does scum Ritoky really make that doc cc in the night phase? Like he knows he's killing Dis if he's scum so his claim would look awful.
Then again, Super did make a point about scum probably being familiar with his style and meta and therefore figuring out he was vet due to not directing vig shot at eod(good to know for future games involving Super lol).
Y0su/ritoky. Any other wagons today need to have a slam dunk case attached.
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On May 09 2015 10:15 sicklucker wrote:
Ya those are for sure the next two lynches. Ill reread yosu he might be too bad to be scum
Adding this into my last post, if y0su's play is too bad to be mafia, doesn't the night doc cc from ritoky fit that category?
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Dinner is here and I want to take a break to eat and watch the last two matches of the League msi. I'll be back soon, preferably after rereading ritoky. Also would like to see others weigh in on the two possible wagons.
And nah, I originally had ritoky in my lynch list until HtS explained the possible town motivation for it. Yosu actually also defended it, when Cel and I found it suspect.
Hm. Scumyosu defending that move from a town ritoky doesn't quite make sense, either, unless ritoky flips town and he wants to distance from the ML. Yeah, I need a break LOL.
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On May 09 2015 10:29 sicklucker wrote:
Like anyone whos played more then 3 mafia games knew ritoky was trying to take a rolebullet. But it was so poorly executed and unbelievable that a town ritoky cant possibly think it was worth the effort if that helps you.
Ya that's why I refused to discuss it until day phase. I saw that, too. But you're right, it was badly executed and therefore picked apart.
K eating
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On May 06 2015 02:40 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2015 02:25 Stutters695 wrote:
I'm kinda souring on Rit. Is he always this all over the place?
That question to HtS about prp is really wtf. your opinion is not very high on my list. and no i haven't been all over the place like this in a very long time. i also haven't rolled VT in over 10 games. how is it wtf. she is posting giant posts about other people and really pushing them for info. i just don't see the conviction behind her push on prp. like she says lynch him with fire, but i don't get that sense. if someone votes on me EoD then fks off, i become a legit wagon, and he comes back makes 0 comment and moves onto a new target; i would be on him like white on rice. i was expecting more of a response.
On May 07 2015 02:45 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 02:40 Stutters695 wrote:On May 07 2015 02:25 ritoky wrote:
EBWOP: why did you do nothing d1 Go read any game I play lol. If you get 3 pages out of me d1 it's a miracle. Honestly, it's not the best in newbies, but it's very established for my meta. There is a reason HtS was on my side about it d1. Anyway that's like the 7th time I've explained it. Eyes forward now, I'm done with that. Why don't we lynch prpl? i did read your filter, Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 02:14 Stutters695 wrote:On May 04 2015 02:03 ritoky wrote:On May 04 2015 02:01 y0su wrote:On May 04 2015 01:54 ritoky wrote:On May 04 2015 01:46 Superbia wrote:
Ritoky you want to share your scum reads so far or do you just wanna chill and see for a little? maybe scott and maybe shining atm are my top 2. not particularly firm on either. am moreso looking for towns right now. i think me, ff, -c- are pretty much town. then superbia, and prp are 2nd tier town for now. been busy (working on my lists when I get to sit at the computer) quite curious about how you put someone on your team (even t2) with just a few posts? he made one of the highest quality observations in the thread in regard to shining and i had literally the exact same thought reading the exact same thing: On May 03 2015 08:40 prplhz wrote:On May 03 2015 08:34 The Shining wrote:
I'm going to go ahead and be as useless as always D1. Let's do this. Willing to lynch Super, FF, Scott so far.
Super wants to lynch Scott for opening with a town claim. FF and Super willing to lynch Scott off that. It's cuz Scott looks bad off of an unpressured town claim. FF and Super setting up to bus Scott d1 if needed.
Super, FF, Scott scumteam gg this is rubbing me the WRONG WAY On May 03 2015 08:41 prplhz wrote:
like he's trying to make up some excuse for being useless and then he tries to solve the game and that like 30 posts into the game he is also giving definitive alignment reads instead of hedging. if i remember prp's play right he hedges a lot more as mafia. Debatable. Prpl posts a shit load as town. Not to mention that's literally his only insight so far. It's early but I don't consider anything he's said as definitive. Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 03:56 Stutters695 wrote:On May 04 2015 03:39 prplhz wrote:On May 04 2015 02:25 Stutters695 wrote:On May 04 2015 02:20 ritoky wrote:On May 04 2015 02:14 Stutters695 wrote:On May 04 2015 02:03 ritoky wrote:On May 04 2015 02:01 y0su wrote:On May 04 2015 01:54 ritoky wrote:On May 04 2015 01:46 Superbia wrote:
Ritoky you want to share your scum reads so far or do you just wanna chill and see for a little? maybe scott and maybe shining atm are my top 2. not particularly firm on either. am moreso looking for towns right now. i think me, ff, -c- are pretty much town. then superbia, and prp are 2nd tier town for now. been busy (working on my lists when I get to sit at the computer) quite curious about how you put someone on your team (even t2) with just a few posts? he made one of the highest quality observations in the thread in regard to shining and i had literally the exact same thought reading the exact same thing: On May 03 2015 08:40 prplhz wrote:On May 03 2015 08:34 The Shining wrote:
I'm going to go ahead and be as useless as always D1. Let's do this. Willing to lynch Super, FF, Scott so far.
Super wants to lynch Scott for opening with a town claim. FF and Super willing to lynch Scott off that. It's cuz Scott looks bad off of an unpressured town claim. FF and Super setting up to bus Scott d1 if needed.
Super, FF, Scott scumteam gg this is rubbing me the WRONG WAY On May 03 2015 08:41 prplhz wrote:
like he's trying to make up some excuse for being useless and then he tries to solve the game and that like 30 posts into the game he is also giving definitive alignment reads instead of hedging. if i remember prp's play right he hedges a lot more as mafia. Debatable. Prpl posts a shit load as town. Not to mention that's literally his only insight so far. It's early but I don't consider anything he's said as definitive. ? we thinking of the same guy? prp is a low volume poster as both alignments. he is like a 9-11 page over course of an entire game kind of player from my experience. He had 15 pages in NSM7. if you want to lynch me for low post count then you should do it now because i'm going to post a lot less this game. that game (like many other games) i tried to spam myself town. that's also why i have joined out of time mafia, because i want to stop spamming so much. anyway the reason i haven't posted a lot is because i haven't been around. @superbia @ritoky what do you think about celestial? he is coming on as super tryhard, like nothing i've ever seen before. he stands out a lot compared to the general relaxed atmosphere in the thread. didn't filter him yet (dunno how much i can get out of that this early anyway) but it's just something that been sticking out a lot. also @superbia happy birthday! Spam yourself town. LOL. Is that what you're calling that? You established yourself as pretty town d1 there, then went completely mia as town imploded. Then came back spamming bullshit. If that's your strategy as town you need to step your game up real bad. So far this game you've less and I was even trying not to tunnel you after that trainwreck of a game. Yet somehow, you just have a very lynchable face yet again. How about you read C's filter and give me a reason not to lynch you instead of just saying "that stands out" here are all of your posts before the flip on prpl. this is not him "being a good target since d1" or you pushing a lynch on him. yes you had a scum read, but for him to be a "good target" that means you have to push him as the lynch candidate and really make the case for him being scum. you made no cases, never called for his lynch, and instead did a lot of this: Show nested quote +On May 05 2015 04:30 Stutters695 wrote:
Sorry guys, busy day. I would still do Scott. Playing in 2 games is rough. so sorry if i am not buying your revisionist history.
Ummmm...this doesn't fit with both being scum. At that point, arguing with eachother over the 3rd scummate is hella risky, especially with Stutters being the initiator. This feels more natural VS planned in scum qt. Not definitive, though, just reading filter. And the tone in the 2nd post from ritoky is strong and he was one of the people burying Stutters for his lack of push but strong scumread on Prp.
Also it should be noted that, including quoted posts that have his name, Stutters shows up 25 times in ritokys filter to yosu's 7 total Stutters appearances.
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Conclusion: I feel much better voting y0su over ritoky today and will do so in voting thread after this post.
##Vote: y0su
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Boop beep boop bop. No one has commented on the points I made regarding y0su and Stutters and filter analysis. Agree? Disagree? In what way am I right or wrong?
Cool. No one read that post or didn't find it worth even commenting on.
So expect the rest of mine to be as effortless as this one.
Boop beep boop bop.
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Just really frustrating being halfway into the phase and doing that at the beginning of it and seeing nothing on it.
No discussion, thoughts, hashing it out. This is how town loses.
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Well that's no fair. I just settled into work and started catching up but some eecent posts involve me. Inb4 Shining is lurking.
But if you're referencing me being suspicious of Stutters all game and showing support for the vig shooting him, I'm so amused.
You laugh when people say you are scum for things you view as town. I pinged scum. Guess what km doing right now?
[Spoiler] laughing[/b]
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LOL THAT EPIC FORMATTING FAIL.
Lol I probably am scum here. Wrong wagon d1, dropping prp to a plynch d1 before voting him d2, supporting the vig night shot was obviously a form of bussing, I was super defensive early on, low activity due to RL excuses, I don't have much experience so voting one and letting the other get shot seems like a play I'd make, since I've only ever played(and won) one scum game.
There I cased myself. Add quotes if you'd like. If that's enough for you, vote me and get me out of the game, Super. Just don't be mad when you die tonight.
Ritoky feels a bit more towny. Cel v Rit is like classic town v town explosion that derails us from rolling scum, imo. Although I do agree ritoky isn't in the best light, I still believe the quotes I had earlier(from ritoky filter interacting with Stutters) felt natural and he wouldn't pressure his own teammates that early.
Meh. HtS - y0su. I'll reread it but everything in me points to yosu being scum. I don't think I'm moving my vote.
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