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Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
May 03 2015 02:34 GMT
#301
His opening post reveals your answer, stutters
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Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 03 2015 02:36 GMT
#302
I meant in general, not TL
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
May 03 2015 02:36 GMT
#303
o gawd, list post.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
May 03 2015 02:39 GMT
#304
On May 03 2015 08:50 disformation wrote:
Okay, I am bach, I hope it is not to late for my "awesome" entry post.

So, this is my first forum-mafia game ever (played a bit of IRL-mafia though).
Since I am not really quick-witted and need some time to formulate/analyze questions/answers, I think forum-mafia might suit me better.

I've read the guide and a few of the recommended older mafia games on this forum.
Soon I realized that I definitely will need to take notes to keep up with everything that will be happening.

Therefore I plan on making a list of posts I like or dislike (aka read as towny or scummy) sorted by day and poster. I also plan on tracking relationships between posters (who is pushing whom and so on).

And now a question especially (but not only) for our vets: can you recommend other stuff that is worth noting down/tracking?

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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
May 03 2015 02:40 GMT
#305
guy missed something in someone's filter. mafia confirmed! 2 found boyZ!!!!!
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
May 03 2015 02:45 GMT
#306
On May 03 2015 11:34 -Celestial- wrote:
Hey guys. Sorry for the late entry. I've been somewhat distracted playing KanColle recently; there's an event on and I'm desperate to clear it, first event I've been in. Anyway there's probably just about enough to write something on most people now so...off we go.

Unfortunately in the time I've been away I've NOT been keeping an eye on games going on. Then again I tend to prefer any meta reading from games people have actually been in together. On with the show:


Reads:

Tictock has posted nothing. So I got nothing. Neutral.

y0su hasn't really posted very much but I think this is their first game? None of the posts so far come across as being scared, on the other hand ALL of their posts since the game started have been basically off-topic with no real attempt to push anyone or draw any reads. Neutral, want to see some actual worthwhile stuff pretty fast though or that'll start drifting red.

disformation starting post I REALLY don't like. However he IS making an attempt to start producing reads. Earnest newbie with a weak entry I think. Weakly town.

scott31337 was REALLY quick to jump on a HtS vote after Superbia claimed that HtS saying she was away wasn't in her filter. And he didn't take the time to check it himself. That's either incredibly sloppy play or he's scum.

ritoky's sole post of note is an easy push on disformation. Other than that he's just posting nonsense and off-topic stuff. Coming across as pretty scummy to me; complete misdirection plays.

The Shining decent filter length (not many people on two pages), asking for opinions, pressuring people. Not exactly opening strong on his reads but I seem to remember him playing the same game last time around with "I can't do day 1" so I'm almost inclined to believe it. Also picked up on the HtS thing. Probably town.

Half the Sky already said she wouldn't be here until tomorrow evening. Not giving her a free pass for the whole of "Daytime 1" but for now I can't really say anything here.

Superbia early vote on HtS, then either misses her post in the filter dives or flat out lies about it (I'm thinking the former because it's a REALLY easy lie to prove wrong). Also went for the easy pressure on disinformation (like ritoky) and since the HtS thing fell apart hasn't done much.

FecalFeast appears to be both engaging people, picking at things that don't fit and also supremely relaxed. Town.

prplhz hasn't done much except making vague comments about how he doesn't like The Shining's initial post. Can't really say more without seeing more.

sicklucker posted nothing. Withholding judgement.

Stutters695 again posted nothing. However he stated "going to catch up real quick." and then didn't follow up on it. Neutral until he does something worth having.


Initial thoughts:

I could place Superbia and scott in a mafia team together here. HtS is inactive, Superbia puts up a pressure vote and then posts that she didn't say she was going to be away (although it's a pretty easy lie to prove false, so it's more likely he just missed it). Him missing it in and of itself isn't necessarily alignment indicative; but scott's reaction and total trust that Superbia is telling the truth is a gigantic red flag for me, since mafia team members would inherently trust each other's comments like that. scott votes as well in order to start getting pressure on HtS and maybe start a vote train because people are fairly easily swayed on day 1 and in the meantime the two of them can feed off free town credit as being people who were leading a vote train.

Although scott would have really weird luck to roll mafia so often.

Other than that I'm going to point my final finger at ritoky from the simple lack of anything useful despite a fair few posts in here; plus the circumstantial evidence of both him and Superbia pressuring the same guy. Also was recently making excuses for Superbia who I've got a bad feeling about.


Queries:

Stutters - care to follow up on your "catching up" comment? Some reads, if you please.

Would also like to see something from prplhz and ritoky. Both have been in the thread since the start here but neither have posted much of anything.

excuse me you're ruining my scum team by not being scum.

Thoughts as I give the post a skim:
sicklucker HAS posted, only 2 posts IIRC
I agree with the scott assessment but I don't put him and super on a team just yet. Scum can always use a towny's mistake to stir chaos.
Associative reads like your ritoky/superbia one are not too useful as they are dependent on an unknown.
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
May 03 2015 02:45 GMT
#307
i read that giant list post and it was a pile of null except for your scott read. i don't mind your scott read.

wrong superbia =/= mafia. scott following up on superbia's read without going to check it is more suspect to me than superbia making the read.

also your read on me is lulz.

you get 1/2 of a town cookie. but o gawd list post.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 03 2015 02:46 GMT
#308
Oh gotcha, I thought you meant first ever post.

Interesting a newbie hits the ground running that hard. I like that.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
May 03 2015 02:46 GMT
#309
dat mind meld with ff.

okay ff we town here bro, let's do it.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
May 03 2015 02:46 GMT
#310
Oh and I didn't leave a note on who I'd lynch at this point.

If I had to vote right now I'd put it on scott. His response to Superbia's note that HtS didn't say that she was going to be away was terrible. Either he was bandwagonning with a fellow mafia or he's town playing in a way that is absolutely detrimental to a town win (by blindly trusting what someone claimed without checking it themselves). Either way its a liability.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
May 03 2015 02:48 GMT
#311
On May 03 2015 11:46 -Celestial- wrote:
Oh and I didn't leave a note on who I'd lynch at this point.

If I had to vote right now I'd put it on scott. His response to Superbia's note that HtS didn't say that she was going to be away was terrible. Either he was bandwagonning with a fellow mafia or he's town playing in a way that is absolutely detrimental to a town win (by blindly trusting what someone claimed without checking it themselves). Either way its a liability.

Not sure if this was written after mine/ritoky's posts but that's a good thought process if you wrote this first
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-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
May 03 2015 02:49 GMT
#312
On May 03 2015 11:45 Fecalfeast wrote:

sicklucker HAS posted, only 2 posts IIRC


His two posts are these:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/483492-newbie-student-mafia-ix?page=7#131
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/483492-newbie-student-mafia-ix?page=7#134

A broken BB code post trying to embed a town claim in spoilers and him asking "Scott are you the dude that always posts in obs qts?" doesn't really amount to anything substantial to me I'm afraid. X-D
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
May 03 2015 02:49 GMT
#313
you're (both) doing a good job convincing me that the filter miss would have just been a mistake
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
May 03 2015 02:49 GMT
#314
On May 03 2015 11:48 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2015 11:46 -Celestial- wrote:
Oh and I didn't leave a note on who I'd lynch at this point.

If I had to vote right now I'd put it on scott. His response to Superbia's note that HtS didn't say that she was going to be away was terrible. Either he was bandwagonning with a fellow mafia or he's town playing in a way that is absolutely detrimental to a town win (by blindly trusting what someone claimed without checking it themselves). Either way its a liability.

Not sure if this was written after mine/ritoky's posts but that's a good thought process if you wrote this first


I was writing it when you guys were posting.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
May 03 2015 02:49 GMT
#315
On May 03 2015 11:46 ritoky wrote:
dat mind meld with ff.

okay ff we town here bro, let's do it.

I moved you up one shade for not keeping up the memes/2003AIMspeak then another shade for the mindmeld.

Ritoky currently the darkest green on my shet
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-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
May 03 2015 02:52 GMT
#316
On May 03 2015 11:49 y0su wrote:
you're (both) doing a good job convincing me that the filter miss would have just been a mistake


Personally I think the filter miss of Superbia WAS a simple mistake, an oversight. But scott's response to it was either terrible town play or a gleeful scum play jumping on HtS not being around in an attempt to take a leading role in a lynch for some early town credit.

I know the whole associative reads between Superbia and scott isn't the best way to do it; but given how mafia team members would inherently trust what each other posts I don't think its too far of a stretch.

Everything on ritoky is circumstantial. But its my best third read at the moment to round the team off.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
May 03 2015 02:55 GMT
#317
On May 03 2015 11:52 -Celestial- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2015 11:49 y0su wrote:
you're (both) doing a good job convincing me that the filter miss would have just been a mistake


Personally I think the filter miss of Superbia WAS a simple mistake, an oversight. But scott's response to it was either terrible town play or a gleeful scum play jumping on HtS not being around in an attempt to take a leading role in a lynch for some early town credit.

I know the whole associative reads between Superbia and scott isn't the best way to do it; but given how mafia team members would inherently trust what each other posts I don't think its too far of a stretch.

Everything on ritoky is circumstantial. But its my best third read at the moment to round the team off.


i don't know how much mafia you have played, but playing the association game too hard can get you in a bad spot. you run into people like me who, as mafia, bus my teammates into oblivion with 0 remorse. independent reads are a bit stronger on these forums. just a piece of advice.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
May 03 2015 02:56 GMT
#318
On May 03 2015 11:49 -Celestial- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2015 11:45 Fecalfeast wrote:

sicklucker HAS posted, only 2 posts IIRC


His two posts are these:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/483492-newbie-student-mafia-ix?page=7#131
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/483492-newbie-student-mafia-ix?page=7#134

A broken BB code post trying to embed a town claim in spoilers and him asking "Scott are you the dude that always posts in obs qts?" doesn't really amount to anything substantial to me I'm afraid. X-D


then what do you make of shining's vote pressure and desire to push SL into actively playing D1?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
May 03 2015 03:01 GMT
#319
On May 03 2015 11:56 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2015 11:49 -Celestial- wrote:
On May 03 2015 11:45 Fecalfeast wrote:

sicklucker HAS posted, only 2 posts IIRC


His two posts are these:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/483492-newbie-student-mafia-ix?page=7#131
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/483492-newbie-student-mafia-ix?page=7#134

A broken BB code post trying to embed a town claim in spoilers and him asking "Scott are you the dude that always posts in obs qts?" doesn't really amount to anything substantial to me I'm afraid. X-D


then what do you make of shining's vote pressure and desire to push SL into actively playing D1?


I don't like pressure votes but accept that its a valid tactic. I don't really have a problem with Shining doing that.

As far as sicklucker goes simply saying "I don't play Day 1s" and then trying to wave that around as an excuse to just lurk doesn't really fly with me. You're wasting an entire lynch period that you could be using to hunt for scum. It doesn't make sicklucker look great at all and if he really DOESN'T play then he's definitely going to drift red for me. That being said as a day 1 lynch its just policy, and isn't worth doing unless there really aren't any better targets.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
May 03 2015 03:04 GMT
#320
I mean if we're doing policy lynches sicklucker isn't the worst one.
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