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On April 20 2015 21:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I actually like playing with Breshke though, found him quite reasonable in the last game we played. Now you're making me sad. Artanis already trying to pocket me pre game going for that early town read haha On April 20 2015 22:09 rsoultin wrote: -flops on- we can be the weak link togetherz! Silent nights means no will posts how am i going to know if you are scum or not? | ||
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Damdy what is a pita? | ||
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On April 21 2015 09:14 rsoultin wrote: can we be friends this game? xD + Show Spoiler + I'm looking for a fling :/ hubby is abuuuusing me Sorry I've promised my heart to artanis. He called me reasonable it was very nice. I actually really wanrt to know what a pita means though. Is it like being a pessimist? | ||
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On April 21 2015 09:20 rsoultin wrote: pain in the ass lol >< if he's using it the same way palmar does awww but i've called you very logical many times? -bats eyelashes at- ohhh that makes a lot of sense. Idk rso reasonable just feels so much nicer than logical. ##Vote Waveofshadow Lets do this | ||
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On April 21 2015 09:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm ok with any lynch that isn't me since I need to overtake kita in the not lynched as town percentage tab. Therefore, any lynch that is not me furthers this condition and I support this lynch. ##Vote WaveofShadow tentative town read for this post. | ||
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Yeah haha all jokes aside in my limited experiance with art ive never seen him mention stats before so him referencing town stats and relating it to this game just seems like a weird way for a scum artanis to open. This is obviously very weak hence the tentative part. | ||
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On April 21 2015 09:37 rsoultin wrote: so you don't find it odd at all that he managed to enter with a post implying that he's town (via the stats comment) plus over-explaining what should be a joke-sheep of a joke-vote? by over-explaining i mean: why even include the bolded sentence when it's clear in the first lol >< if anything that deserves a light scum lean, not a light town lean fitting awkwardly into the joking phase like that Ehh I disagree. I don't see it as that awkward or over explainy really. I didn't/don't really see it as awkward either. Nor do i really think that awkward always equals scum. | ||
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On April 21 2015 09:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Do you think her reading into it in that way says anything about her alignment? No because i can see how she would see it that way | ||
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On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum Gg no re How does arts vote differ to mine other than he gave a fluff reason for it. Isn't it just as "safe" as mine? | ||
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On April 21 2015 09:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I actually think it makes her slightly likelier to be town as I find it unlikely scum would go in against a tone read of another player right off the bat. I have no way to prove this but i actually had it written that it was slightly townie because i find her to be a lot more neutral as scum | ||
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On April 21 2015 10:44 Damdred wrote: Meh honestly I really hate how you guys throw around botes in this setup can really tell there haven't been enough iml games lately </3. I can't speak for others but since the votecount only counts at the 24 hour mark I don't feel as hesitant as if it was a more standard IML setup. On April 21 2015 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Dunno wtf yamato is doing, Artanis probably town, breshke with the safe vote could be scum Gg no re Do you have any opinions on this post damdred? | ||
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On April 21 2015 11:06 WaveofShadow wrote: Extra scumpoints for being all concerned and shot over the only person in the game to scumread him. ##vote: Breshke I'm back from Draft night and I'm super fucking pissed 'cause I misplayed in the absolute stupidest way possible, cost myself a match and 2 packs, so it's time to take it out on scum. Im not concerned i just dont see how you thought art was probably town and i was scum for my "safe" vote. | ||
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On April 21 2015 11:28 WaveofShadow wrote: I just did. Artanis gave his reasoning, was very clear and unafraid that his reasoning is based on something silly. You gave absolutely nothing. Yamato is null because I can totally see him doing this just to fuck with me as either alignment Yeah sorry i posted that without seeing it. I just don't really understand how you think I as scum would vote you here and then just leave it there if you got majority and 24 hour mark was nearing. Like this was clearly not a push at least in my mind to actually lynch you so I don't see how the "safe" voting thing would even apply hear because it seems like that would only apply to wagons that have a chance of actually getting a lynch on someone. | ||
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On April 21 2015 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh what the fuck? WOw I missed that completely. That's really odd. EVery IML game I've played has actually been IML gotta rethink Breshke then. Okay I thought either you or I had the lynch mechanic wrong so thanks for clearing that up rso. I understand your "safe" vote thing on me now wave. | ||
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So he thinks its normal IML comes into the thread and there is already 3 votes of him. I think it would be standard as scum or town to assess the three people who are voting you. His reasoning for picking me as the scum make sense in context and i don't think it is weird that he said yamato was null as if he gave a ead on me and art but then not on yamato that probably would have been weird ##Unvote | ||
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On April 21 2015 12:31 rsoultin wrote: i want to understand what makes artie and yamato different in your eyes xP the null read is eh in the context of the other reads and so is your reaction to coming in to a wagon on you when you think it's traditional iml not really concerned much with either of those -flicks breshke- are you town this game, bresh? that seemed a little townie, that post lol Yes. What was townie in that post because if you think its townie I assume you agree with it so I don't understand why you are still pushing wave over this? | ||
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On April 21 2015 12:38 rsoultin wrote: lol you just quoted the reason i'm questioning wave, breshke, and yet you ask? the points you brought up in your post are the same ones that i don't care about...also in what you just quoted kinda obvious there, bresh Idk somethings lost on me here but i dont see how you cant care about the context of his reads with him thinking it was IML but then wanting to know why the yamato and artanis read was different. Anyway I don't really care about this stuff because i don't think it says that much about waves alignment. | ||
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On April 21 2015 12:43 yamato77 wrote: breshke plz wave is a big boy, let him fight his own battles soz i do this too much without noticing. Imma be out for a bit bye | ||
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1) why is bh scum instead of null? Shouldn't trfel be in the same sort of zone prior to the big post? 2) what about wave has him down so far? Why is breshke so high? | ||
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On April 21 2015 12:46 yamato77 wrote: so you don't have a read on him, but you're intervening on his behalf. mmmmmmmk. Yeah this is part of the reason I peaced. I just didn't think the reasons that you two were calling him scum actually made him scum so i felt the need to get involved when its probs better if i just let it play out for a bit. | ||
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On April 21 2015 15:11 Breshke wrote: Hey damdred I see your list post and have some questions for you. 1) why is bh scum instead of null? Shouldn't trfel be in the same sort of zone prior to the big post? 2) what about wave has him down so far? Why is breshke so high? I realize this might have of as sarcastic or something but im really interested in 1 especially since it seems you have an actual reason. | ||
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On April 21 2015 15:20 rsoultin wrote: you know, at some point this lumping me in with yamato when i clearly was interested in another point entirely is going to annoy me breeeeeshke ^^ hint: that point is probably already past damdy, if you already know the failings in your own list post (and your intent was to get people to react to it so you could help figure out alignments) pointing out the questions defeats that purpose and you should simply address the failure. i've no interest in cooperating with an uncooperative stick-in-the-mud ^^ Nah i didn't mean same reasons I just ment i probably shouldn't have got involved with either of your bits. | ||
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On April 21 2015 15:32 rsoultin wrote: ummm...you did notice that breshke also townread him for it, and the person you're arguing with has artie as a scumlean? yet you're fine with breshke? so...what's your point? I didn't townread him for the vote i town read him for the reason because it seemed super weird to me from a scum mindset. To add to that when he asked me about how i felt that you disagreed with me he had the exact same kind of thought as me exact i didn't post it because im more cautious calling you town after last game. Has rfel played more than one game of scum the database only has the student game. | ||
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On April 21 2015 13:03 WaveofShadow wrote: This is the absolute final time. I'm going to spell it out so it's absolutely crystal fucking clear, and if it's still not enough then just go ahead and lynch me for it or some shit because unless it's going somewhere, this is ridiculous already. Yamato gave some reason directly referencing something he said to me outside of the game that i don't remember, probably something he jokingly said to me at some point yesterday or the day before...? I don't consider that a reason because it has zero direct reference to anything that occurs within the confines of this game and is directly related to something yamato and I supposedly talked about. As that is the case, he would do it as either alignment since supposedly he said he would do it and therefore is completely alignment UNindicative. Artanis' reason I have no knowledge of and has no direct reference to me, so I naturally find it a little odder to bring something like that up---it is my opinion that that could draw more attention than something yamato can directly reference to something he and I supposedly did My reason On April 21 2015 09:34 Breshke wrote: Yeah haha all jokes aside in my limited experiance with art ive never seen him mention stats before so him referencing town stats and relating it to this game just seems like a weird way for a scum artanis to open. This is obviously very weak hence the tentative part. They reach the same place a town read but they are different so I don't see how you compare them. Anyway rso what do you have any comments on peoples alignments your pressuring but i don't see any conclusions yet. I get its early just seeing where you are at. | ||
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On April 22 2015 06:35 WaveofShadow wrote: Wtf this pressure on Artanis is fucking weird. Like I'm super cynical that palmar and BH will ever contribute and I have an idea Artanis knows where I'm coming from, but these points of attack are weird and putting words in his mouth. Yamato what you said doesn't even make any sesne Can't quote atm cause on phone but how is what you said even remotely what Artanis is doing? And rsoul you get bored a lot for someone who is talking nonstop. I really really like this post. Wave joins artanis in my "can't see lynching" list. If wave is mafia his frustration this game is from him being wagoned early so being on the back foot trying to survive from the get go. The stuff about yamato's push is not really alignment indicative for him even though I fully agree with his view point. I'm not sure if i can explain this well but the last sentence on rsoul seems like it couldnt come from a scum wave as why would he randomly antagonize someone. Like he is clearly frustrated and if he is frustrated scum he would be trying to make friends not trying to piss people off. On April 22 2015 06:53 rsoultin wrote: lol i think we're generally agreeing? "miscommunication at best" is what i said, after all. usually i hop on people's heads when they're being gooberly lol >< or suspicious i'd give more credence to the two of you growling at each other, but you did it in aperture, too, so eh. at least yamato is pushing something. if he was scum trying to mislynch someone i don't see why he'd pick artanis xP Can you explain why you think he would pick anyone over artanis to push on this game rsoul? | ||
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On April 22 2015 11:41 rsoultin wrote: the inactives are easier targets xP as are you. as is damdred right now...even wave. artie may not have done much but i see him as being harder to lynch than the other five i've mentioned soooo...it's not a strong reason, just an observation Ehh I disagree with you here this is the same bad logic that lost us last game against you. Furthermore it feels weird to bring up as an observation. Anyway I like Artanis, Wave and damdred. Trefel as well but he is deffs on the bottom of the list, still wouldn't want to lynch him. ##Vote Blazinghand I think damdred has explained this best already and I am already town reading a lot of people and unless i misinterpreted some time stamps we are overdue for some BH goodness. | ||
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On April 22 2015 12:05 rsoultin wrote: ##vote Blazinghand on-board with this now that the deadline's past ^^ i really do not get why everyone is so happy with artanis -_- or damdred, for that matter like where are you getting these townreads from, bresh? are you scumreading anyone at all? So for art its still that early comment heaped up with this quote On April 21 2015 09:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I actually think it makes her slightly likelier to be town as I find it unlikely scum would go in against a tone read of another player right off the bat. Because that is actually what i was thinking but i didn't post it because I felt like the way i tried to explain it was weak. Also the quote below shows that he was actually reconsidering his reads and motivations behind why people are doing stuff On April 21 2015 19:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Pretty much. It's something that you have absolutely no reason to post as scum because it doesn't achieve anything, yet when you're town it's something you may say because it was in the back of your mind, a very human response. Actually having thought about it, I could see scum saying it, but I do think it's a lot likelier from town. Arsoul, why is it bad that someone else explains something I've pinged? For damdred I just like his posts, I can explain it more if you rly want just feel lazy. As for scum I don't really have anything concrete right now but I don't like that you town read yamato and basically have the entire game yet in this post here On April 21 2015 15:20 rsoultin wrote: you know, at some point this lumping me in with yamato when i clearly was interested in another point entirely is going to annoy me breeeeeshke ^^ hint: that point is probably already past damdy, if you already know the failings in your own list post (and your intent was to get people to react to it so you could help figure out alignments) pointing out the questions defeats that purpose and you should simply address the failure. i've no interest in cooperating with an uncooperative stick-in-the-mud ^^ You get rather defensive that you think I am lumping you two together. I understand that this annoyance comes from the fact that your points were different but it still seemed like a really weird over reaction to me. | ||
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On April 22 2015 12:13 Damdred wrote: Yes trfel you should read waves scum games before you say that he wouldn't be pissy with people rather than try to make friends XD. Anyway, your scum game is better than you give it credit for and not just a lurking pile of mess. Any questions while i'm here I think your talking about something i have posted not something trfel has. | ||
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On April 22 2015 12:30 rsoultin wrote: -shrugs- you can call it defensive if you want. i hate being misrepresented as either alignment, and i already had let it go a couple times before that xP so give me something not concrete i can see where you're coming from with damdy...but not so much with artanis, cause that's a pretty weak read lol >< if it's only based on the same posts you townread him for last time he was in the thread as far as damdy is concerned, trying to get a lynch started with so little time before the 24hr mark doesn't sit well with me...i was actually warming up to him before that That was my non conrete thing. There 8 players other than me. I'm townreading 4 out of 8 of those players. 2 of the remaining are not involved in the game so difficult to read. The remaining two yourself and yamato have been town reading each other most of the game, does this mean anything? Probably not even if it does I can't use it right now. I just read your filter and will probably read yamatos soon. That is like exactly where I am at at the moment. Also I had that problem with damdy aswell but then this made me feel better about it On April 22 2015 12:12 Damdred wrote: More of the later than the former I think, I don't like artie going about the game like he is though. | ||
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On April 22 2015 12:50 rsoultin wrote: okay gonna be honest with you here...i don't need everyone to townread me and i get that you just came out of a scumgame with me, but that some of these townreads of yours are so fucking thin and the core of your "non-concrete sorta scum" is poe oh rsoul and yama were townreading each other is pretty bullshit in my eyes i'll take another look at everyone tomorrow when i'm less irritated, but it's not happening tonight quite simply, when you don't have scumreads that's usually a bad sign. but i've just come out of a game where you were town and defaulting to plynches so...though i still think your scumreads are even less noteworthy this game than in that one, i need to reread everything tomorrow Yeah im bad at scum and my meta is i cant push on people but you arn't using that in context if you are town. Do you have a scumread yourself? No you are pushing BH with me. This is a smaller game and you yourself don't have a scumread so I don't understand why you would try compare this game to my scum meta when obviously if you are town it isn't that easy to find scum this game. Just coming out of a game where you being scum does affect my reads. I realize im probably biast hence why I was letting it go and trying to egt more information but frankly you are very similar this game to last. You're in the thread commenting on stuff but you arn't actually doing anything. | ||
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Damdred can you talk to me about rso. Why is she so townie to you like she makes me feel like an ass but i remember getting that feeling last game when she was scum as well. On April 22 2015 13:03 rsoultin wrote: that is exactly why i have no desire to play tonight if ppl can honest to god sit here and say (not just you) that i haven't been doing anything this game you're illiterate or scum or just plain bad and it's pissing me off to the point that i don't think i can approach this game objectively lol i myself don't have a scumread? i haven't been doing anything? you think because I'm voting BH right now I don't have a scumread?! i've said what i think about pretty much every player in the game and you have the fucking gall to say i haven't pushed anyone, pointed anything out, come to any conclusions, have any scumreads >< you know what, if you're scum and your purpose was to put me on tilt, congratulations. you've succeeded. i wouldn't even put it past you to be scum with yamato hoping to try to establish a connection between me and him, making this arbitrary association between us every opportunity you get...well screw that >< i'm not doing this tonight -_- i'll revisit in the morning Like that bolded bit is so weird to come from someone who has been townreading yamato all game but i get if she is town she is frustrated but I don't put it past her to be able to fake it as scum. So basically give me your read on her. | ||
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On April 22 2015 13:52 Damdred wrote: It was mainly a tone read and a gut read earlier in the game and I really felt like RS has been reaching decent conclusions to a point and the interactions she had with myself and others. And calling me out and the reasons she did so were pretty good I felt like. I do think several posts are a bit weird, but I think shes town. Hmm ok thanks I just havn't really felt the conclusions bit so if you have any specific examples that would be great but im going to be going back and looking anyway. On April 22 2015 14:09 rsoultin wrote: add to that not fully getting this artanis push earlier -_- now stop fucking misrepresenting me bresh cause it's getting on my last nerve -_- IF I AM REALLY YOU'RE ONLY SCUMREAD RIGHT NOW BASED ON MY YAMATO READ YOU SHOULD BE KEEPING BETTER TRACK OF WHAT THAT READ ACTUALLY IS >< Yes i saw that but i also saw this which came after On April 22 2015 11:40 rsoultin wrote: the one on palmar was retracted xP you actually quoted the quote you ninny as for yama, i just have generally liked how he's approached the game so far, between the joke vote, pushing wave but not continuing to antagonize him when it reached a certain point -shrugs- not sure where exactly the quote fell in all that, but i've felt generally good about yama through most of the game I have no idea why you are being so quick tempered. I'm pushing on you? Great fucking decide if im town or mafia doing it and explain why im wrong or push back on me. If youre town and you think im town yeah it can be frustrating but im allowed to be wrong. If you think im mafia then why do you even care. Don't give me this pissed off bullshit where you say im trying to get you on tilt, I don't even get where you think id take that path as mafia. | ||
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Like im not associating you with yamato. Yes i said youve had eachother as town for a larger portion of the game it doesn't mean i think you are together. I specifically said in one of my posts that i wouldn't be able to use that information. Like I don't think ive mentioned yamato at all this game other than pointing him out with you two town reading eachother but that is only because I don't town read either of you so it is odd to me. Anyway who do you want to lynch or are you leaving. I don't care if you have explained this before please don't tell me to look into your filter im asking because im trying to move the conversation on and i still don't care about bh's wall yet until he starts doing other stuff aswell. | ||
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On April 22 2015 15:04 rsoultin wrote: yes it's shitty and reactionary and is why it means nothing -_- or probably means nothing, but i have seen it done before so blah to that lol well whoopdidoo you're wrong on at least one of us (and most of the game disagrees with you on me) so it doesn't damn well matter if two people you're not townreading are townreading each other, however lightly. a real scumread would be nice, since you're now backpedaling...why the fuck are you softing scum on to me if you've got literally nothing but that bs? meh -_- i don't like bh's wall >< he can die a couple of the points had a touch of validity to them...mainly the shift from bh to artie on a whim and playing with the 24 hr mark...but it's mostly narrative and he's provided no other reads, which seems to me like he's hoping to ride out the omg look at how many pretty words that was! that instead of giving other reads he just complains i asked for something more concise doesn't make me feel any better about it either ^^ see, i'm capable of rationality and won't just vote you even though you not having scumreads is a scumtell of yours, breshke, and not a scumtell for me i've also expressed suspicion of artanis and damdred...i want to reread yamato since so many people have problems with him and that's mostly a toneread for me and again not filter-diving tonight so yeah Cool im not backpedeling on you im just giving you pace because if I keep pushing on you and you keep reacting the same way what information do i get? You can take as many digs and missuse my meta as you want. 9 Player games with 2 scum are totally different to 13 players and large games. I don't care I just got a call saying i got the job i applied for the other week so im extremely happy right now and you should be as well rsoul. I like your bh stuff. Like even if i really like his wall post i still wouldnt call him town because one post calling a majority of someones post scummy isn't enough. I also didn't like his reaction to you. | ||
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On April 22 2015 15:13 WaveofShadow wrote: And Breshke I'd still like to talk with you hold up didnt see your post from before replying now | ||
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On April 22 2015 14:41 WaveofShadow wrote: Breshke let her cool down and talk to me about BH's monstrosity and Damdred for a bit. Did you read that post? Do you have any primary thoughts? Sorry i actually didn't see this. I like skim read through it skipped a few bits in the end/middle. I feel bad on commenting on stuff like that before reading it properly because if bh is town or scum he obviously put a lot of effort into it for me to just come and be like didnt read it here's what i think. Anyway first off i don't like how it feels like he was trying to push scum on what felt like every single thing that damdred has posted. I don't think if someone is scum that they are scum in all their posts if that makes sense. Some of the early stuff I think bh had a problem with can be explained by damdred thinking it was standard IML and then being told it wasn't(this is referring to the throwing away vote thing) . I can see how BH would miss this as if you read damdreds filter (I assume this is what happend) and not the game you wouldn't really get the grasp of that. Then i don't really rememebr much else from it other than the point about him voting artanis after BH came in with his excuse that damdred predicted. I liked this point and it is odd but damdred did say to me that his vote on artanis was trying to make stuff happen so i can see a world where he would push on artanis instead of BH here because more people would react to the artanis push whereas a push on bh would get put down as a plynch | ||
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On April 22 2015 15:30 Blazinghand wrote: BTW the case is like 8 paragraphs, tops. The fact that there's resistance to reading it is pretty apalling. There are a lot of quotes in there, sure, but you've already read the quotes, assuming you've read the thread. It's not like it's so long that by tghe time you get to the end of it you can't "remember" what was at the start (Breshke >.>) And yes, I was pointing out how most of what Damdred said was scummy, but MOST OF WHAT DAMDRED SAID WAS SCUMMY. Like, legit the dude is scum. Also, I'm not saying that literally every post he makes pushes a scum agenda. I'm noting how they serve his agenda, and hwo they don't link together into a town mindset. I also concede some stuff that DOES link together and is right. In fact, I explicitly state scum CAN be right, as his meta analysis of my willinginess to use IRL stuff as scum is literally correct. But that doesn't change the fact that if you look, Damdred's thoughts DO NOT follow each other. I know I obviously didn't read it well hence I hadn't commented on it until wave specifically asked for it. Im obviously biast aswell because i already thought damdred was town. I also fully believe that you blazinghand could make this case as scum as ive seen you rng someone and they actually write convincing reasons why they are scum other than the fact that you rng'd them. Hence why I also said I wanted to see other stuff from you aswell Probably need to head off now so I won't be going back over your big post until i come back tonight. On April 22 2015 15:39 WaveofShadow wrote: I think it's actually pretty hilarious for so many people to come in and go tl;dr to BH's post. He kinda deserves it for playing like he does half the time lol So first, I agree with your first point, and that's exactly what rsoul has been saying. These kind of narrative reads are what I used to rely on, but you can go through anyone's filter and paint them in whatever light you like in this way. It can be convincing in the right hands, but it's not particularly accurate which is ultimately what matters to the rst of town. The convincing-ness of the post is what matters to BH as either alignment. Damdred also recently said something about thinking it was standard IML. Where did he do this, because I can't find it. Like....reading through Damdred's filter is easier than reading BH's case on him, fuck Hmm i didn't realise that what rsoul was saying was similar to me. Thanks for pointing that out. I'm not sure if he ever explicitly said it at the time but the quote saying he hates people throwing votes around made me assume that he did because i couldn't think of a reason why he would dislike it otherwise. | ||
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Yes a third vote in this type of instant misslynch is even safer but in context it doesn't move towards scums goal of getting a misslynch as a push that early is not likely to be sustained over a 24 hour period. So yes while you are strictly right that the vote was infact safer it can't be seen as pushing for a misslynch as much. | ||
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You at some point said BH was active elsewhere. BH said he wasnt IDK if i should or shouldnt be asking this i ignorant to things but if you can say what you were reffering to that would be great. Secondly you assessed trfels scum meta and said you didn't find his play here similar. What games were you referring too? I think that's it. | ||
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What's your response? Do you: A) Call BH scum and quote his single post B) Call BH scum and note that he played just as you acted. C) Start asking other players why they're accepted BH's bad excuses, and call him scum. or... D) make some vague noises at BH, but UNVOTE HIM AND VOTE SOMEONE ELSE Bit because it is the part where it most feels like BH is making his own narrative. That being said I do like the part about damdred pushing art and not caring about BH anymore. To add to this damdred hasn't really joined the BH wagon when he pointed out something really good early that basically kicked off the wagon. Like there is three of us that arn't him voting on the BH wagon but he just doesn't seem itnested. The thing that gives me pause though is that, people can correct me on this, but i've seen damdred get demotivated as town before and i understand that because sometimes you just don't feel it and idk if that is what is happening here. | ||
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Yamatos point is strictly correct like we dont lose anything by giving BH an extra day. That being said I still want to lynch him | ||
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Mine is probably never lynch wave | ||
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On April 24 2015 09:15 Palmar wrote: Yes I found it. So I'm bad sorry. Mafia absolutely held their shot. They always do when this option is available. ALWAYS. I don't really get that. Like if there is a detective role they are just letting them get a free check. By not killing anyone they ensure our Pr doesn't die and if we have a saving role using two KP in one night feels like it increases the chances that they will get a save. Does anyone have any conclusions from BH flipping town because i got none currently | ||
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On April 24 2015 09:22 Palmar wrote: 20% chance to hit a detective role mafia doesn't know is in the game is so shitty that they'd never take it. If mafia shoots it's to shoot a townie they want to get rid of, or medic dodging. But that also potentially gives town information. It's just easily the best play to hold the shot and leave town in the dark. The first indication of what mafia wants to do will be given in lylo (or mylo) Anyway, I'm going to sleep. I have an idea or two on what I want to do today but I want to read more first. I was lazy during the night and didn't really read much at all. Okay putting it like this I understand. The no information until lylo bit is especially crucial. Imma brb for a bit | ||
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On April 23 2015 08:29 Palmar wrote: Breshke is my #1 town Palmar what made you post this. What made me your number one town. | ||
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If you had to take a guess why do you think the person who posted it posted it. | ||
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I like palmars case don't get why people thought he ment they had to be mafia together. I think him referencing yamato not interacting with his case on WoS shows that he wasn't actually looking for an alternative to the BH lynch as from what i can tell he still didn't like wave at EoD yet failed to bring him up at all. I think this read can stand by tiself from his wave read since I still disagree with him on that i think wave is town. | ||
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On April 25 2015 12:56 WaveofShadow wrote: I still have an issue with how he treated EoD and beginning of day as scum---like that's super shit play and screaming TMI at everyone, especially considering the explanations and posts he made after the fact. Mmmm it's hard because he isnt doing anything but he has that excuse of having been in lylo in that other game but still ehh idk. After his rant of how town has to apply pressure i feel like he should be doing stuff. There is still over 12 hours in this phase I guess. I also don't like that yamato said the BH case wasn't that bad but failed to push on damdred basically at all other than a few posts like this On April 23 2015 08:21 yamato77 wrote: I said it wasn't that bad Do you really believe ONLY scum BH makes a case like that? I certainly don't. I don't even like damdred that much this game. I don't really care for his responses to the case either. He essentially came out with nothing. How was he being obstructive? He argued about his case, sure, but who wouldn't want to defend their piece of work? It's silly to scumread him for believing his read. What do we really lose by not lynching right now, exactly? I argued against this sort of idea before but only as a means to actually apply pressure. It doesn't mean anything to lynch BH here because he's really only been in the thread to post his case and defend it. Which he never expands upon or further investigates. | ||
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I think trfel is a little less townie than those two I also really like palmar this phase. That leaves me with scumato and then 1 between art and damdred so if you two could do stuff a bunch that would be nice. | ||
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I dont have any scunreads just a bunch of townreads then palamar drops a good casr on yama who is.not ome of my townreads so i dont see whats wrong with sheeping this. (what reasons do you even scumread yama for like couldnt you say your reasons are other peoples reasons aswell) then to find the last scum I PoE and damdred and srt hadnt impressed me today when normally i feel like they are high impact players. | ||
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On April 26 2015 07:00 rsoultin wrote: lol yes i'm aware all you have is a bunch of townreads ^^ and yes i've actually brought up different points than some of the other players what changed your opinion on me? which specific posts? You disliking the bh case for same reasons as me also there was posts after i went to sleep the phase we lynched BH (so like 6 or so hours leading up to the lynch) that i liked but i csnt go get them cos im on phone. What's these different points i see a post saying you vote him for fun then one with some reasoning is there any others. | ||
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On April 26 2015 07:08 rsoultin wrote: lol not going there unless you think yamato is town, bresh xP that post with reasoning is sufficient if you want different points anyway, and i've more than demonstrated original thoughts throughout the game my concern is your singular sheeped not-actual scumread ^^ not how much of my read on yamato is original well even if i die in the night phase assuming we lynch today you should probably show where that change of heart came from ^^ not that it'll be easy to verify with how little you've posted this day phase no im trying to demonstrate to you that your reasons probably arnt all that different from the OG shit palamar brought up so you scumreading me for sheeping him and not having my own read is misplaced. Like how hard was it to just sumarize your original reasons in that post instead of waffeling about stuff its really frustrsting. I dont even understand the first sentence whats it even reffering to | ||
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On April 26 2015 07:17 rsoultin wrote: ? OG shit? like why are you sheeping him if you don't think his reasons are any good? i can scumread you for not having any scumreads ^^ i'm pretty sure, regardless. in fact if i wanted to i could scumread you for having a dick, cause frankly, i don't have to scumread you for good reasons at all. isn't it better that i actually have one, though? Soz ment priginal shit and by shit i mean stuff so not literal shit. This post makes no sense to me whatsoever idk if its cos its the morning. | ||
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On April 26 2015 07:21 Breshke wrote: Soz ment priginal shit and by shit i mean stuff so not literal shit. This post makes no sense to me whatsoever idk if its cos its the morning. EBWOP ORIGINAL nor prignal | ||
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On April 26 2015 07:27 rsoultin wrote: that is mostly why i am scumreading yamato yes...do i need more reasons that that, really? No lol this is my point exactly. This is good enough to scumread yama. But if you think this is original and not just a sheep pf palmars thing your kidding yourself. | ||
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On April 26 2015 06:32 rsoultin wrote: okay i'm gonna be honest here i've got a couple wild theories that really cannot be voiced >< however i do think it's actually quite likely with yamato getting this much heat and apparently deciding to roll over and die that if he is scum - and i believe he is - his scummate would buss him lol >< in breshke's case, i know this sounds a little crazy paranoid, but i do not like how much he interacted with wave, yamato and myself without coming to a conclusion on yamato's alignment, barely mentioning him, and then arbitrarily linking him to me. especially if yamato is scum i don't like the sudden (mostly unexplained) reversal in read on me i don't like him suddenly wanting to lynch yamato for other people's reasons i don't like his general lack of scumreads or suspicions i could be completely wrong and i'm 100% aware of that lol >< i'm wrong a lot. however, the answer is yes, i could definitely see scum!breshke who is generally townread bussing scum!yamato who is generally scumread and rolling over there's also this to consider...we're currently at 6v2...presuming yamato is scum at best we start day 3 at 5v1 or 4v1 depending on whether or not a shot was withheld...which allows us one more mislynch xP breshke is sitting cozy enough to pull off two mislynches, i think, if he's scum here i mean there's who else? you art truffle maaaaybe palmar yeah i think it's quite possible So im going to try explain what i was saying before. First of all my flip on you rso. On April 23 2015 08:13 rsoultin wrote: meh >< i kinda hate this cause people asking me about tone/meta reads is not something i'm good at explaining. i kept yelling at people to lynch rayn in guardians but my explanation wasn't good enough for anyone xP naturally he was scum nnnnnn so when i think of town truffle i think of a truffle who is not afraid of how he looks - silly votes on artie and unvoting to become the hammer vote on bh when i think of town truffle, i think of a truffle whose reads tend to change a lot until he starts tunneling - the read progressions on you and yamato that you both found "odd"...example of tunneling would be tere >< when i think of town truffle, i think of a sarcastic twit lol >< - this is where i started townreading him: when i think of a town truffle, i think of a devil's advocate, much like breshke - there are several instances where he argued the opposite point of view as a possibility, if not necessarily what he himself believed ^ that is what makes up my read on a town truffle, and i don't know how to make that helpful to the rest of the thread. i've been very successful with it This is one of the posts I really liked because people were scumming trfel for like flip flopping on shit or whatever but I don't see this as scummy and it felt like you were kind of going against thread sentiment at the time to defend trfel. Add to this the fact that wave made me realise that we had the same reaction to the BH wagon thing I started to feel good about you aswell. Also i thought that you getting like annoyed and angry at me to the scale you did was similar to the last game we played together but when i went back and looked it wasn't anywhere to the same degree. This made me think you were town as the emotion was probably not faked but im just now realising that you had irl stuff pissing you off as well so its not really allighnment indicitive cos you mightve just been angry at that not at the game as much idk if that makes sense. Then me wanting to lynch yamato. So if you followed my reads at EoD if you add you to the people i thought was town I really only had palmar and yamato left so I already obviously thought he might be scum. Then when Palmar makes a case that i really like it makes me feel better about palmar and im happy to sheep that case because it has good points and sheeping isnt always a bad thing. This then elads into my lack of scumreads because I was townreading everyone except two people then sheeped one of those people to vote the other one. So I thought to my self obviously im wrong on some of my townreads. So i reconsidered and at the time damdred and art hadn't done anything for a while which in my experience is very unlike them. So I didn't feel good about them anymore. Now in recent pages I really like damdred. Posts like this On April 26 2015 07:45 Damdred wrote: I have read his filter twice, his explanation of why we should vote pressure people I like that and his exchange over that. His reaction to who people target is really good I thought at points, his play today has been abysmal though is the only thing that is bad. But I also remember in mini mafia 2 his activity day 2 which was on a weekend/Friday just totally flatlined. really like this post to, it shows a form of thought and insight I wouldn't expect from scum yamato even if its a bit basic Where he is actually going through and thinking about yamatos alignment and finding stuff he does like seems really townie as he is actually considering yamatos alignment instead of just hopping on the wagon even though he said he is just happy to just follow rsoultin christ I need to probably reread art at some stage. Also if you think im misunderstanding your reasons for thinking I am scum (which seems to happen often) can you try explain to me because i still think you are probably town so need you to work with me. | ||
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On April 26 2015 11:51 rsoultin wrote: mrt kinda tired :/ honestly...still looking up stuff for school and basically just gave up cause bleh -_- anyway it's mostly just the lack of scumreads :/ i know that it's hard for you to generate scumreads as scum lol >< and the complete lack of presence this day phase up to this point. i also feel like a lot of your interaction with people was kind of periphery this game...the mediating in the wave/yamato thing for instance like there are some other minor things here and there but those two issues are my main issues with you. like i don't understand if you have no scumreads why you wouldn't be in here banging down doors trying to find a good lynch. does that make sense? (yes i'm aware that there's a time difference, but that doesn't explain the entirety of your contributions yesterday consisting of asking palmar why he was townreading you lol ><) Lol yesterday was ANZAC day (australian thing idk if you know what it is) I was up at 4 am for a dawn service thing then was rekt because of that for the rest of the day so I really cbf'd especially considering the thread was kind of dead which is bad but ehh. Idk i was fishing for something from palmar he wasn't biting then he gave a good case by himself and I sheeped it so it does feel like I have a scumread at least to me even though it isn't my own thought. Also idk how much i mediated between yamato and wave since if i remember it was basically me just calling wave town or a least the reasons you guys were scum reading him wrong. | ||
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On April 26 2015 12:06 rsoultin wrote: lol >< dude, when will people figure out the difference between pressure and scumreading? eh, doesn't matter, that's neither here nor there, and it was pretty relevant trying to get him to expound on his townread on artanis cause frankly i've never quite understood why so many of you had him high on your town lists xP okay, sure, so i guess you're at yamato and artanis now, is that right? Yaaah but that feels iffy because i knew i read him town early (art) but am kinda doing stuff right now so cant properly filter dive until later tonight. Why do you think palmar is townier than damdred/trfel | ||
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On April 26 2015 16:04 yamato77 wrote: ... Artanis' read change apparently happens over just a single page, basically because Palmar posts his case on me. I doubt that town Artanis flips his strong townread of me and scumread of Palmar just because Palmar posts that case. zzz More likely, it seems like Artanis saw that people were sheeping Palmar and decided to lynch down the path of least resistance, given that I haven't been playing and Palmar has played... on occasion. His read of Damdred seems mostly based on some meta-assumption of Damdred's play which I can't comment on much. He does seem to back off his scumreads quite easily when pressured. At this moment I'm unsure what his reads are, as he sheepishly backing off as Damdred pushed back, and his read of me was sort of a matter-of-fact type of thing rather than a strong belief that I was actually mafia. I would certainly lynch Artanis today, given his rather weak reads. I've commented many times on how his early play was scummy and how his comments on the BH lynch were bad, and reading his filter really doesn't change my perception of his play much, either. He's continued to excuse his lack of motivation to play this game and hasn't really played much better. I have a problem with the bolded because m fairly sure at the time the only person who had actually sheeped palmar was myself so he would have made that decision fairly early also do you even think im town? Because if you are null or scum on me it makes even less sense that you think this. | ||
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On April 26 2015 18:33 yamato77 wrote: So why do you think Artanis just drops his strongest read within just a page of the game and votes someone he had previously had a strong meta-townread on? All post-hoc justification aside, it looks like an unnatural switch, even given the case. You can't also look at it so small-mindedly in that your vote was the only one, the case was gaining traction given the multiple people who commented on it in some capacity. My read on you shouldn't really even matter. I think you're a rather forgettable player that many people seem to townread. That's about the extent of it without delving deeper. When did he vote you? All i see is him thinking that palmars case and how he reacted to it is how town palmar would react so that then made him want to "think" about your alignment. No I still think that when I backed palmar only damdred was really looking at his cae in a good light everyone else was disliking it because they thought it was an association read with you. Seem like they are some classic scummy traits you attribute to me so maybe you should delve deeper. | ||
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First, trfel don't be demotivated both of us are still new and i wish I was half as good as you were. sometimes you jsut have off games and it normally isn't as bad as you think it is. Second I still think yamato is mafia. There are a few things about his play that don't make sense to me from a town perspective. First of all his not wanting to lynch BH and wanting to extend the day. This is strange because he knew he would be busy on the weekends and still not having someone to push instead of BH I don't understand how he thought he would have time to evaluate the game and find a misslynch when he clearly didn't have much time to play. Secondly his rant about how IML it is important to pressure people with the vote. The past couple cycles no one has really been pressured except yamato who was not present of any of these cycles until the most recent one. yamato had time to do some analysis which didn't end up with him voting anyone or really pressuring anyone which he earlier said was vital for town to do. Basically I just see it as him saying stuff but not backing it up with actual actions. I also don't understand his artanis posts because he never actually voted for yamato which yamato seems to think happend. ##Vote Yamato | ||
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I don't really see what about yaamto people suddenly liked after he posted for a bit. I find most of his stuff on art to be just wrong. I can't find where art flips on yamato so im just going to assume it didn't ever happen. I like trfel more than before and probably more than rsoultin now. his recent posts have just felt really honest and its something I feel like I do as town when i feel like stuff isnt going the wrong way you just say what you feel and you don't even though you realize it comes off in a badish way. Referring to this part here specifically By "weakest townreads", I arrive at a lynch pool of yamato77, Breshke, and Palmar. Though I know that's a horrid way to play. Don't really get why palmar thinks yamato is less likely mafia than WoS now. any more explanation on that would be great. | ||
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On April 27 2015 19:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Perhaps it was different for you, but my main reason that I considered Breshke being town that game was his tone. I even detailed it out in a post where I gave reasons to TR everyone in the PoE pool. I'd dig it up but I can't ctrl-F in my LXX filter since it exceeds 50 pages I was not involved in either of the games you linked at all, so I'm not sure how you expect me to know that. It was alsao a passerby comment, not the only thing I intend to read Damdred on. I still do think he's likely town. Breshke, Arsoul mentioned that you haven't really made any contributions this game. What do you think of that? Also, the reason for TRing Yamato is definitely in my filter. I mentioned that I feel the way he picks between reasons on reading me and discards some as poor is likely to come from a town Yamato. It felt like he was actually considering my alignment. Did you ever flip your read on him? From some of his recent postings he seems to think you did and voted him im not sure if ive completely missed this somehow or what? She is probably right if not a bit harsh. I felt like I contributed well to D1 and felt like pushing the BH lynch was the right way to go at the time like after damdred kind of dropped it I feel like I picked it up again but he was town so that isn't really a contribution. I have fallen off D2 I won't deny that but i'm trying and I think yamato is most likely scum. I can see how it would seem that I have never really pushed my own scumreads because looking back I don't think I have. The only original thing that i remember pushing is rsoul but my complete flip on her kind of makes that negligible. | ||
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On April 26 2015 03:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Meta is great though. Especially when you apply it incorrectly and presume that since Marv once told you that Yamato is absolutely terrible at scum, you figure he can't have 4 pages so far and have pushed some things. Actually a problem I see in his filter is that he's droning on about the same things over and over again. First WoS, then the thing with me on waiting for Palmar/BH to contribute, and then on BH. He doesn't really re-evaluate anything nor does he share many thoughts on other things than whatever he's chasing at the time. Could prob lynch/10. I assume you are talking about this. I see how I read it wrong I thought you ment the meta of reading his scum was incorrectly used so you thought he was town. Last line probs should have cleared that up ehh. | ||
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I get I really didn't do much D1 but I think I was rather townie still. It isn't new for me to drop off like i did. | ||
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On April 28 2015 07:41 rsoultin wrote: -_- breshke asks me how sure my read is when i've been literally trying to get him lynched for days this is not an easy game for me and i think you have the best chance of flipping mafia >< how could that be any less obvious? what is the point of your question? Idk trying to get covnersation going. Like you have been trying to get me lynched for days so its weird that you think im the ebst chance instead of like really sure on my alignment ehh. Reading wave's filter I just don't see it but the stuff trfel pointed out like him not pushing trfel for lynch makes a lot of sense urgh | ||
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On April 28 2015 00:51 rsoultin wrote: i may possibly actually maybe like part of breshke's post on yama that actually had something new in it and wasn't rehashing lol >< what part did you like? | ||
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On April 28 2015 08:08 rsoultin wrote: both? it made sense from your perspective even if technically wrong are you scumreading me breshke cause otherwise i do not see the point of this -_- No. Im trying to work out if anything I said before people liked or thought was nonsense. | ||
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On April 28 2015 08:12 rsoultin wrote: ... and how is that in any way useful? because if people im town reading think what im saying is wrong then I need to consider it more. | ||
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So I like trfel you and I don't feel like I need to expand upon these reads for you. WoS I still like WoS. Im like just over halfway through his filter and I still really like him as town. I know mediating fights is any easy thing to do as mafia but im town and I think your town so when we had our disagreement I feel wos was truly trying to help resolve it when shit was hitting the fan which he wouldnt really have a motive to do if he was mafia. Palmar Legit dno how to read him. His play as scum here pushing on a townWos seems fairly absurd because if he knew WoS was going to flip town saying stuff like he will take all the blame seems odd because yes he could fight against this later but i get the feeling that he wouldn't set himself up to have to put in that much effort. So I find it unlikely that a scum palmar pushes on a town WoS but can see worlds where a scum palmar pushes on a scum WoS or a town palmar pushes on a town/scum WoS. I get this is associations or whatever but I don't know how else to get a grasp on his allighnment Yamato ive already talked about Damdred I think is town he has been preaty open that he is i guess keeping his options open like he is considering all cases but he doesn't just say it and then randomly pick wagons he seems to actually try and consider each wagon and what not. I like that trfels most recent post made damdred flip his read aswell. Would like him to reconsider yamato though. Artanis is a weaker town read but still a town read. Add on to this the fact that he went back to find his previous analysis of my play like why? when one of the most vocal people who is most likely town is pushing for my lynch would a scum art bring this up in defense of me. This is a really shallow read though. | ||
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On April 28 2015 08:51 rsoultin wrote: i agree with damdred that we have to lynch tomorrow for sure and honestly bresh that moment with wave was what made me think he was town more than anything, cause i was flipping shit and i know my own alignment lol >< hrum i guess you could be town here i don't hate your reads No they are actually quite bad if you look at them in the scope of all of them together. I have one scum palmar as a IDK and everyone else as town. | ||
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On April 28 2015 11:14 Trfel wrote: I guess, my biggest problem with this game is that it's really hard to find scum. I'm not the only player who's said this. I'm just thinking that if it's this hard to find scum, it's far less reliable to scumread people for having fewer scumreads, or not pushing their scumreads (Breshke, WaveofShadow, to a lesser extent yamato77). And I'm really not sure what to do about that... I almost wish we had Blazinghand in the game, RNG pushing everyone. Perhaps at this point that would actually be a good strategy. This is a very very understanding post. The way I see it the lynch today will either be myself, wave or yamato maybe art on this list but i dont think so. I think it would be better to focus on these three (myself, wave yamato) and decide who we want to lynch because no lynching would be fairly bad. As for my opinion I obviously do not want to lynch myself and I still want to lynch yamato. | ||
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On April 28 2015 11:35 Trfel wrote: Since you agree with me, what do you think/hope that town and you specifically (two separate questions) can do about it? Town should focus the lynch between the three players I stated to ensure we get a lynch that is discussed and what not and just not agreed upon at the very end of the last phase. Obviously if someone finds something important then yeah do that and this plan doesn't work for wave at all because he town-reads me and yam Personally I want to lynch yamato because I think he currently has the best chance of flipping scum | ||
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On April 28 2015 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote: I agree with this and I am not flipping Breshke today because the only person pushing has been rsoul and I don't think her case has any merit. Oh wow I forgot about Damdred completely. Uh.,..that in itself weirds me out. Did he do stuff today? If by today you mean this new cycle then no | ||
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On April 28 2015 11:55 WaveofShadow wrote: Actually the past two days he hasn't done shit. And that's saying a lot coming from me. Maybe 'cuz no longer suspect? Fuck this game though Just lynch me so I don't have to try and feel guilty about not being able to try plz I feel tomorrow may be suprisingly easier for the people who are still around since there is a chance for PR goodness and the pool of players will be significantly reduced so there is no point giving up. Also we only need to convince 3 more people that yamato is the best lynch. I'll relook at damdred tonight maybe but currently I do not want to lynch him. | ||
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On April 28 2015 12:16 rsoultin wrote: this may be true? i'm kind of confused why you're hyper-focused on what people think of your alignment this game xP but i think that argument was also made by wave earlier...or maybe truffle i don't remember that he seemed to be posting without conclusions no idc what he thinks of my alignment. One of his big townreads is pushing me hard im one of the alternate wagons to him and he hasn't considered me ever. Doesn't really feel right. | ||
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I realize how terrible im actually going after having a better than nomral start like I have been sheeping a lot its reminiscent of my first ever game which is frankly embarrassing. Also ignore the guardians thing don't let that sway you ahah that was mostly my fault I didn't put enough effort in until it was too late. Also i still really like that wave post like he was defending art against a weird push which wasnt obvious to the people how wrong the reasons were and then he went on to antagonize rso over something i thought was also legit | ||
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On April 28 2015 12:48 Trfel wrote: Breshke, Palmar didn't flip on yamato77. He just decided that WaveofShadow was a better lynch. Yeah but he thinks art and wave are both more likely scum than him so that is basically flipping on him from my perspective | ||
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On April 28 2015 12:59 rsoultin wrote: lol put your ego aside for one second and realize that it's possible i actually know some of the players that i've been playing with since i started on this site better than you do xP my tonereads are based on personality as much as they are general tonereads and this "these posts are impossible to come from scum" arguments are really just bad. what you're essentially doing is saying breshke is a worthless town player who should be relegated to the bottom of the heap with other newbies who can only be read for how their posts are worded, when i know for a fact that he is not worthless at all I like all the nice words in the second paragraph haha but your wrong on me this game so the first paragraph is wrong at least for this game | ||
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Rso pretend im not in the game anymore. Who do you want to lynch? | ||
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On April 28 2015 13:11 rsoultin wrote: i want to lynch you ^^ i could be convinced to lynch wave but ironically you've made me doubt lynching yamato again, so congratulations we have three up for lynch that most people agree the scum is between and two want to lynch the other one and neither questions that? like...you don't even know who you want to lynch other than yamato so blah and i don't know what wave is doing...wanting to lynch palmar even though he doesn't really think he's scum? or just not wanting to commit to a scumread cause he thinks/it looks like it's omgus? How is this important? Lynch me I flip town and it says fuck all about waves alignment tbh because if he is scum he calls me town here anyway because ive called him town all game. Do I think that is the case? No because I think the reasons he says im town are fine but im obviously biast in this situation. Basically me and wave reading each other town means nothing | ||
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On April 28 2015 13:16 rsoultin wrote: i'm actually very good at getting townread as either alignment...better at it when i'm town but still xP This is another thing. You know i suck at it but think i managed to get most people to call me their top town D1 as scum. I'll take it as a compliment that you think iv'e improved my scum game that much | ||
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In the hope of getting this moving forward a bit do you want to place a vote. | ||
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This isn't directed at me but there was one of my pushes you missed which might be the reason ive been off this game | ||
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On April 28 2015 13:43 Trfel wrote: Hm, who was the push on? And why? At the moment, were I to vote, I think I would vote for Breshke. But I need to check the points that WaveofShadow mentions first. I think I'll need to spend quite some time working on this tomorrow to really decide the best lynch. I think what happened between me and rso you could count as a push | ||
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On April 28 2015 13:52 rsoultin wrote: ...does that make you think anything about his alignment or what? Obviously yes. I'm pushing for this 3 man lynch idea and he just totally take myself out of the equation and continues to push the person I am scum reading. Theoretically this is probably how wave wins the game. Get's the lynch on yamato today only needs one townie to be wrong tomorrow which would be me because his defense of me is really really compelling to read him town. The thing is I don't think im wrong on yamato so even if I wasn't reading wave town this would be another reason to not lynch him as he is basically pushing what I think is a mafia lynch. Also a side note Rso I also think your thoughts that wave and especially myself are mafia is affecting how you look at yamato. | ||
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On April 28 2015 13:58 rsoultin wrote: yeah, bresh, it was some weak oh yamato and rsoul are townreading each other comment -_- that started everything, that and you asked what conclusions i was making while in the thread...when i had come to conclusions, right after truffle said his spiel on my doing nothing but being aggressive and annoying is my town meta lol >< so i was irritated and came at you guns blazing tbh the only thing there really in your favor as a "push" is you didn't run away with your tail between your legs? oh and that you noticed me being upset was weird xP I never pushed you for you and yamato townreading eachother ffs I pushed you for getting so defensive that when i was saying where i was at and said you two were towning each other you blew up like it was the end of the world and started being paranoid that me and yamato were mafia together even though you townread him. On April 28 2015 14:03 Trfel wrote: Breshke, do you understand WaveofShadow's read progression and townread justification on you? I don't know I find it really hard to look at it without bias at this point. I also find it hard to criticise peoples reads when they could apprently just say it is a tone read and can't be explained | ||
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On April 28 2015 14:10 rsoultin wrote: lol admittedly it is, though i actually don't rule out bussing at all after the last several games i've been in since it's apparently the thing these days, and you my friend SCREAMED to have me lynch in our scumgame together so i know you're willing to buss for a fact i'm not convinced on wave but i think how he's been handling himself today was awful and i'm perfectly fine with lynching him ^^ the thing is i don't think i'm wrong on you xP breshke i have a problem with this post. you're saying it could make wave scum if yamato is town because it's how he "wins" when from your perspective if wave is scum leaving it as a 3-way...wouldn't it make it more likely town gets lynch if both you and yamato are town? and if he's bussing, why limit the options to him and his scum-mate? so you think it's weird but you want to lynch yamato anyway so essentially...your post was just as purposeless as it appeared when you first mentioned it looked weird >< because it has not given you pause to re-evaluate if you didn't think it made him look scummy why mention it at all? That was fairly funny what a dumb thing to do the panic was real haha Yeah it is probably more optimal for him to leave both of us as lynches today but this way if he does get the yamato lynch with this ploy so thats another reason he is probably town doing it. Err i think you misunderstood. I was caught off guard with how heavily he townread me and was willing to defend me. Call it useless as much as you like but it reinforces my townread on him. Also just went and looked back and I think my original point was very valid. You got angry because you though i was lumping you together with yamato even though you read him town. | ||
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On April 28 2015 14:26 rsoultin wrote: nope i got angry cause people kept saying i wasn't contributing anything ^^ thank you for telling me what makes me angry though, appreciate it you are legit such a pain this game Ill be back later | ||
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On April 27 2015 03:39 Palmar wrote: Quickly skimmed Yamato since he came back. Moving my vote to waveofshadow ##unvote ##vote waveofshadow I think it's less likely that Yamato is mafia now so that kinda puts artanis back on the table Palmar any chance of you explaining what made you think he was less likely mafia around the time of this post? | ||
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On April 29 2015 07:00 yamato77 wrote: people calling me mafia are bad or scum I lean scum seriously though, single-minded play combined with low activity is not good Did artanis not already show that this is not a low activity game for me so this read is bullshit. | ||
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On April 28 2015 13:47 WaveofShadow wrote: Have you EVER seen more excuses not to play in your life? I think there are even more in his filter that I didn't even get to. A) He's not playing B) He's making excuses for not playing C) He hasn't actively pushed ANYTHING. Ever. D) Does he look like he's attempting to solve the game when he DOES post? Bonus points for shit meta - scum yamato doesnt play the game Goodnight. Add this to the list of excuses On April 29 2015 06:24 yamato77 wrote: I've really said everything I can say about wave at this point still cba to make a case if someone wants to talk to me about it I will but meh | ||
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I don't really see how yamatos analysis on wave is that good like analyzing anyone's BH vote you are going to find it was shit because it was policy for like everyone no matter what way you spin it. I also like rso far less now because yes she talked about suspicion of wave a lot of the day and the fact that his points were good but he hasn't done much with it when that same thing could be said about wave yet she still prefers to lynch wave over yamato when she can't get her lynch on me. It is even worse knowing that if wave was around he could probably get this lynch off himself aswell. Like i am all for lynching today but knowing ill still be around in what will most likely be lylo probably with an rso that is tunneld on me is just really not optimal. | ||
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On April 29 2015 07:55 Trfel wrote: Breshke, can you briefly summarize why you think that yamato77 is scum, and why his play can't come from town? Rants about how using vote pressure in IML is important Proceeds to never uses vote pressure Makes countless excuses to not do anything even after the weekend he is still not doing anything Never looks at some of the players in the game so is obviously not trying to solve the game Has never pushed anything this entire game Can this stuff come from town? Sure. I am even guilty of some of the stuff I call yamato scum for probably. But the reasons all you guys want to vote wave and myself also apply to yamato ADDED ON to the fact that he has just constantly made excuses not to do stuff. Also trfel you shouldnt compare my pla in a student game to normal games I find it a lot easier to try be a big player when im not one of the least experienced. | ||
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On April 29 2015 08:12 yamato77 wrote: tried to pressure people (wave, artanis) others come in and call my pressure overdone and nothing happens still playing the game, am posting now, people call me scum for it have thoughts on every player in the game, usually focusing on the worst because why explain townreads at this point? "never pushed anything" are you fucking serious? this is why I think breshke is scum. this reasoning is clearly bullshit. How are you trying to play the game when you come back to the thread after not having done anything for ages and say your going to make a case then jsut not do it and call wave mafia because you cntrl f'd his filter for your name and it was a shit show. Yeah it rally sounds like you put a lot of effort into that. | ||
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On April 29 2015 08:17 yamato77 wrote: I don't want to be a dick but this is truly pointless i actually agree with this. Like i like the sentiment trfel but all this might achieve is the day extending, not getting yamato lynched | ||
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Palamar has a lynch boner over WoS, i'm fairly certain you arnt going to switch rso and if damdred is here he isn't saying anything. So basically the only chance of yamato getting lynched even next cycle is if damdred is keen and he has clearly expressed he doesn't think this is scum yamato. | ||
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On April 29 2015 08:25 yamato77 wrote: I told myself I wouldn't get mad this game welp. if this is you mad you are quite tame. I am actually really impressed with how your handling stuff town or mafia. | ||
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On April 29 2015 08:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I think Rso will switch to Yamato if I do to avoid a no lynch. I just dunno if I want to. I really dunno. i doubt it. It isnt a no lynch for another 2 cycles after this | ||
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I feel like trfel is writing up something big | ||
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On April 29 2015 08:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Does Wave even bother with this if he's scum? probably. If you look at the time he spent arguing with rso when this was when he was going to be less active he is probably invested enough to make a post like that. | ||
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On April 29 2015 08:33 rsoultin wrote: ... i'm beginning to want to lynch yamato solely because breshke is posting like he wants wave dead while voting for yamato @.@ this is aswful rso. Do you not disagree with what i said? I obiously think he is town but im being fucking realistic that him posting that doesn't make him town its NAI Also you letting your WRONG read on me influance everything you do is not good | ||
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Guess it really isn't. No matter the flip ill properly re look at yamato next cycle. | ||
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The only one that came to mind was that if he gets yamato lynched he can probs use the fact that he pocketed me to win the next phase. That being said like why would he as scum go for thos play so while it was possible i thought it was unlikely. obviously i thought wrong. | ||
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On April 30 2015 10:11 rsoultin wrote: the best reason for him to go for that play if he's scum is if you're scum with him -shrugs- i mean i'm sorry if you're town, but you can't deny the logic Yeah your right. So you think my play as scum is to limit the lynch to me my scumbuddy and one town? | ||
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Trfel is town. Fairly sure yama is town considering how wrong ive been and how he was acting EOD That leaves me with art and palmar I cant do much right now im just waiting for a group partner to rock up to do an assighnment but I like art pushing on palmar today because it would be much easier to kill me this phase with rso around. I have already said i could see palmar pushing on wave like this as scum scum but what mostly gives me pause is his dumbtell about noy knowing the NK could be withheld which would make sense if he actually didnt know or could just easily be faked i guess | ||
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On April 30 2015 10:17 rsoultin wrote: lol you think you were calling the lynch? xP it's not like people were really talking about anyone else So if you dismiss it when i do it why do you think when wave does it it means something | ||
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On April 30 2015 12:12 rsoultin wrote: When you do what? Youre gonna have to quote what you mean. Cause frankly the lynch was between you three anyway. So why should i be impressed if youre echoing that? Okay so you say that wave taking me off the table means the most likely from that scenario myself and wave are mafia together. Yet when you asses the fact that I was trying to make the lynch between myself yamato and wave you do not find it strange that I would make the lynch between myself my scum partner and one town. You CORRECTLY say that it doesn't matter because it is not like I was picking the lynch anyway. However you are letting your preconceived ideas about my alignment affect your judgment as obviously wave wasn't choosing who got lynched either like no one was going to not consider me for the lynch because wave said ITS ME OR YAMATO. Like you are clearly tunneld on me rsoul and thats w/e like from your PoV it might even be a right tunnel but even if you still think im mafia you need to clearly take a step back and consider my alignment properly. (I say this knowing full well it might piss you off because you will say you have been already but im giving a case of where you havn't so yeah don't let this piss you off) | ||
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?? You want to lynch palmar. I want to lynch palmar game probs ends there | ||
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On April 30 2015 19:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You actually expect Yamato to be more likely town than me. I don't believe anyone that's actually thinking about the game can think that. yes because i expect my reads this game to be fucking retarded | ||
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On April 30 2015 19:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Don't just say that your reads are bad, go and do some analysis as to why I'd be saying this. It doesn't feel like you're trying to discern alignments in a critical manner at all. you right | ||
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On April 23 2015 08:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Several times? This is the only one I can find ctrl-f'ing truffle in your filter. Which I guess I can work with. He's only played one scumgame according to the DB so far though (Student) where he got copchecked as scum on D2. Not much to work with, especially since I coached him that game and gave him a bunch of tips I'd expect him to incorporate into his play. Art can you explain the bolded to me. Was this a weakening of your scumread on trfel or were you just saying you could see how rso townread him because of this but still disagreed. | ||
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On April 24 2015 22:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I definitely don't want to lynch Yamato today or probably any day. His mafia game is much worse than what he's shown so far and he cares too much. Damdred's Trfel case is bad. Doubt is a town trait for Trfel. What I'm more worried about is that he artifically inserted doubt when I pointed out how his read on me was too strong for his normal towngame, and thus became more doubtful in general. What's stopping me from going full yolo on a Trfel lynch is that he feels very reasonable. He keeps re-evaluating me (even though I don't understand at all how he comes to his conclusions, on me at least) and seems to be very fluid in his reads, which is something that's very difficult as scum. I think I want to lynch Palmar today. Trfel said he's been trolling, but I feel like Palmar hasn't really trolled as much as not giving a shit. He's pushed Wave mostly without much reasoning and has just not given a lot of shits about anything else. He made this one terrible list post that didn't have any reasons which Marv once told me is a hallmark of his scumgame (and he hasn't posted any reads lists as town since Imperial whilst he has as scum). His 'town meta' of not doing anything is easily replicable as scum. He's been townread for it before, I see no reason why he wouldn't attempt to replicate it as town. There's no reason to read Palmar as town, his unsubstantiated reads list is scummy and he hasn't truly trolled in a way that causes people to rise up against him. It's been calculated play. ##Vote Palmar art this post here the bolded. Could you explain how you didn't understand how he came to the conclusions he did in his reads yet you still thought they were fluid? | ||
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On April 28 2015 04:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I think I may be on board for a Wave lynch after going through the last few pages of his filter. It feels a lot like he's commenting on the game rather than figuring out stuff like Palmar pointed out. He's voted Yamato but doesn't really push him, and then there's oddball comments like When we've been talking about Trfel for a while at that point, so one would expect he'd have more specific reasons. Furthermore, his vote is still on Yamato. I'm actually struggling with voting him a lot because he's been very reasonable to me and I like him so I really don't want to be wrong, but I do think he's scum here. His activity to influence on the game ratio is just way off, and a lot of his posts just really don't help town to figure out the game. ##Vote WaveOfShadow This might be hard to answer but at this point of the game you were scumreading palmar for the way he was treating wave/yamato then when you asked him to expand on his read on wave you further looked into it yourself and started to find reasons to scumread wave. Did this change your opinions on palmars alignment? | ||
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First of all was our mindmeld moment on rsoul early. I also liked this because when he asked me about her alighnment he instantly had has own answer which makes me more likely think that he was asking the question to actually try discern my alignment not to just post stuff. Second his push on trfel. At first he was fairly annoyed that no one except wave had commented on it which lines up with a townie who is trying to post less/spend less time on the game as he doesn't have the resources to direct people to his posts and actually make them comment on it. Thirdly he admits to the weak reasons for lynching BH which were that he didn't really know about his alignment but he was reading most other people as town and with BH playing as he did he would probably lynch him eventually. I am fairly certain this is basically the reason most of us lynched him yet people seem to forget that and see it as scummy looking back on it. Also even when the lynch was all but decided art was looking through BH's filter and producing posts like the one below which show even at that time he was trying to work out BH's allighnment. + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2015 08:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Need to think this over, but since the only choice is between no lynching and lynching BH for today that can wait for a sec. There's this sequence of posts of BH where he complains about people calling his case a narrative, then follows it up by asking what a "narrative" is. He does put it under quotations suggesting he meant the way we use the word, but I still find it odd he refers to it as something where he knows what it is first, then suddenly doesn't know. + Show Spoiler [posts] + On April 23 2015 00:07 Blazinghand wrote: Complain about context or narratives all you want, Damdred has never shown a shred of town motivation or logic yo his read progression. If my truth is too much for you then lynch me and behold the spectacle of your incompetence. I suppose the time when one could only be available for five hours per day have passed, even though I have possibly written and thought about this game more than everyone else. I will not bow to your disgusting threats. I will not be coerced into becoming something worse for your twisted ideals. If I'm alive when I get home I'll save us all. Otherwise, should I die for your ignorance, I will view the departure with as much relief as disgust. On April 23 2015 00:27 Blazinghand wrote: what's a "narrative" wtf it's a post by post analysis, of course it's "narrative", I'm literally narrating what the dude did, how is that even an objection to it. that's like saying "it's a case" therefore it's bad He also townreads rso for similar reasons that he at one point townread trfel for which is fluidity of his reads. While it isn't a shining beacon of towniness it does kind of show to me that he has a consistency in his reads that i think is easier to achieve as town than as scum. I also think arts scumread of palmar is very insightful especially given the fact that wave has flipped scum. The two inital posts are in the spoiler below. + Show Spoiler + On April 27 2015 07:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote: But I pointed out that you didn't. You gave two reasons to townread me, then proceeded to say I was null for things you had noticed and pointed out before. + Show Spoiler [Initial case] + On April 23 2015 07:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote: The posting less is a consequence of spending less time on the game, which is what the real reason for posting less is for me. Creating quality posts costs time too, therefore it seems unreasonable to expect consistent high quality posts as it'd still require a lot of time. I feel the observations I've had have been decent so far, though. Reading Trfel, I don't understand his read progression on me at all. He had me as scummy leaning for my comment on waiting for Palmar/BH (which I feel is a dumb reason, but ok), then town for the way I replied to it, then said this about me: So at this point he feels I'm likely town. Weakening off his townread on me a little, but still maintains that what I'm doing is in the right direction. So he was leaning town on me, then finds another reason to lean town on me (scumreading him). Aaand another reason to townread me. So that's two more reasons to townread me after leaning town on me earlier. What happened? I don't understand this progression at all. On another note, I think I might also want to lynch Palmar for voting for Yamato when Wave was his top suspect, and he suspected Yamato for the way he treated Wave's case rather than going after Wave himself. He also never really re-evaled Wave. Palmar's tone is always pretty confident these days I find, so I don't want to clear him for that in retrospect. Also a case of other people being townier. On April 27 2015 07:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Basically, what's weird to me about Palmar is how Wave is his prime suspect, yet he never really goes to full lengths to get him lynched or research him, but rather just goes after Yamato when thread sentiment is turning against Yamato making him an easier mislynch (presuming Yamato is town). It doesn't seem like he's all that concerned about getting Wave lynched. His vote on him is completely meaningless too with no thread support and him not trying at all to get people on board the Wave train. He's never added anything to his initial case. Not everything was great though and there were a few things i disliked Firstly there was his first unvote of palmar On April 25 2015 19:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote: ##Unvote Palmar reacted pretty much exactly how I'd expect Town!Palmar to reply. Uncompromising and in your face whilst still doing stuff. Need to think about Yamato. This seemed odly timed as yes artanis had been pressuring him but palmar has responded to all his pressure and was then interacting with others while art commented on other stuff and then this post came many hours later. It feels like it was kind of out of the blue since it was not right after the pressure that this was posted but many hours later. Another problem was this post here specifically the bolded. + Show Spoiler + On April 27 2015 06:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Regarding the read progression, I'm all fine and dandy with that but you never really address it in your posts what made you change. I feel that as town (in the past at least) you often state exactly what changed your mind when it does, and I've missed that this game. Last time, you mentioned you were much more confident in Yamato being scum than me. Recently, you've mentioned that you don't think Yamato is scum anymore. Am I currently your top scumread or where are you at? He is saying that he scumreads trfel because he does not say what made him change his mind yet ealier in response to one of my questions artanis said that he townread trfel for fluidity in his reads even though he did not understand he he reached thos conclusions. These two statements seem to contradict each other. CONCLUSION I think artanis is town even though I have some problems with his play I think the palmar thing is negligeable since he picks the scum read back up later for legit reasons and weighing the inconsistency in his trfel read with all the reasons I have to town read him I find myself fairly confident that he is town | ||
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On April 30 2015 21:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote: @Breshke The reason why my unvote was later was because I wanted to wait to see if anyone else wanted to do anything with Palmar. Though I thought he responded exactly as I expected a Town Palmar would do, I wasn't 100% convinced on him and was hoping someone else would try and pressure him a bit. When that didn't happen, I aborted. I explained the Trfel thing. If you don't like it that's ok I guess. Also, I feel you're missing one important piece in that I had the option to lynch Yamato over Wave but didn't. You could argue that I could do this as scum to gain cred, but Rsoultin basically gave me a free out saying it doesn't really matter whom we lynch between Yama/Bresh/Wave and that she'd follow me. I had also positioned myself in a way that'd make switching to Yamato very credible, but didn't. I do wonder why you didn't consider this in your analysis. Palmar thing makes sence as i already said it wasn't really concerning me anyway. The trrfel thing i get your explanation kinda I just feel like there is still a bit of a contradiction. This last bit I didn't really include much from the later stage in the game asthere was a few posts in this part were about me and I feel i have nothing useful to say about those posts . IDK why I didn't consider this part of your play but I just didn't really look to much into that part as it giot weird for me idk? Was probs a mistake | ||
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On April 30 2015 22:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I don't think I'll be there at deadline and I'm gonna be gone for a large section of the day so I prefer to lynch tomorrow. Breshke, I'd like you to comment on people you actually think are/could be scum though. I also am not really impressed with your analysis on me. It feels like you're trying to instill some doubt in there so you could backtrack if thread sentiment changes even though you don't really have any reason to do so, and it feels a bit like you're just going through the motions. Let me be clear all the things i didnt like are engligable. I wont be lynching you this cycle | ||
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On April 30 2015 22:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Being right doesn't mean those were the things that made him mafia. In the end, what made him mafia was that he was just commenting on things and didn't actually try to hunt for scum. I'm pretty sure you don't actually think I'm mafia and you're just mad. Stop getting mad and figure out the game. I don't actually think you'd be this much of a dick as mafia so it's between Breshke and Yamato. I'm currently edging towards Breshke for really not thinking about the game critically and in his evaluation on me he didn't really come to a strong conclusion yet still ignored large parts of the game. Ignore large parts of the game? I ignored you and trfel not switching to yamato? what else did i ignore? What do you think i didn't think about critically? Why does rsoultin start liking me for my recent posting and artanis starts disliking me. At least im meeting palmars expectations | ||
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On April 30 2015 22:30 rsoultin wrote: i don't really like you for your last post -_- but whatever who should we lynch? Wtf did you start liking me for then because between that post and from when you last said you ddint like me ive done fuck all. at this stage my default answer is palmar but i wont be voting for him until I look into him which ill be doing tomorrow. | ||
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On April 30 2015 22:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Basically you seemed to ignore everything that happened end of D2, start of D3. The whole Wave/Yamato thing. My alignment. Like I said, your conclusion was half-assed. "These things make him town but there's this one contradiction that makes me go eh but I think he's town enough that I don't want to lynch him this cycle". When you're this uncertain as town, one usually digs in a little bit more. So no that isn't most of the game. Also i don't think you look as amazing from not lynching yamato as you think you do. Why as scum could you not have that out to lynch yamato and not take it to make yourself look better. If yamato gets lynched and flips town most likely wave gets lynched the next day anyway its just wifom. How do you want me to dig in? The palmar stuff i found not important in context because you picked up the wagon later on. The trfel stuff was a contradiction yes and i still don't like it but why can't someone who is town do something that doesn't make sense to me. | ||
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On April 30 2015 21:58 rsoultin wrote: o.0 breeeesh i was just about to say you were looking better today and drop my vote on palmar ##vote Palmar which i think i'm gonna do anyway, unless there's a good reason i won't be home by deadline, but lol wth is that last bit? >< Rso im confused but for clarity in this post why did you think I was looking better today | ||
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On April 30 2015 22:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Of course most of the game was an over exaggeration. The point was you didn't consider certain pretty vital aspects. As for Wave getting lynched next, I'd argue there was a good chance that you'd get lynched the day after with Rso going after your ass. There were three realistic lynches: Yamato, You, Wave. With Wave and my Presence and Palmar not really being heard and you townreading Wave it would've definitely been possible. What I meant is that you didn't look at everything yet you weren't convinced one way or the other. I find it weird that you just stopped. I was convinced though so your point is invalid. | ||
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On April 30 2015 22:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You said you were convinced enough to not want to lynch me this cycle. That doesn't sound particularly convinced overall. Because the next cycle if we don't lynch scum is 5 player lylo im not going to say im never lynching you because ill obviously relook at things I can see how this could look like I wasn't making a solid conclusion but it's just me not wanting to give a definitive thing which thinking about it is fairy scummy. I think ill go to bed. | ||
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On May 01 2015 06:20 rsoultin wrote: also explain this -_- and no one but breshke, guys Have you read hapas message about kp? My understanding is they could have literally stored their kp forever then just killed like 3 or 4 people in ome night. | ||
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On May 01 2015 06:42 rsoultin wrote: lol yes i'm aware i just find it immensely interesting that you can say i'm all but confirmed by damdred flipping doctor...then say that it will be 5 player lylo as if there is no question whatsoever, because in order for it to be 5-player lylo we'd have to mislynch today and scum would have to save their kp and not shoot tonight...which is already a big assumption...but add on to that the assumption that we're still missing kp from night 1? which assumes that damdred was not successful in getting a save either night that's a heck of a lot of assumptions rolled into a definitive statement, and you're not the type like obviously if damdred didn't save me night 1 i'm not confirmed at all xP in fact i'm not confirmed anyway. my being saved by damdred is just one possible explanation for missing kp. clearly you're aware of that when you said it was 5 player lylo Yeah I am. I also dont think scum didnt no kill N1 because if im rightthey didnt know what PR we had so ee could of had a cop so they needed to try kill the pr You still arnt understanding. They dont have to save their kp from N1 for us to go to 5 player mylo all they need to do is save next nights kp. I also think that thry dont have to kill you just because you are confirmed enough that noone is ever going to kill you. Its funny that you actually seem to think this was some sort of scumslip | ||
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On April 23 2015 00:32 Palmar wrote: oh I get what you're saying. You're still mafia. Palmar I don't get how your still pushing that wave was mafia for the "safe vote" comment thing when in this post you seemingly agree that that specific thing didn't make him mafia anymore | ||
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Like it is yamato and palmar and looking through palmars filter I have no understanding how to read him. He pushed for the WoS lynch so much and one of his core reasons I still dont think made wos mafia. In between all his caring and wanting to lynch people for being stupid there is posts I really like for example his first yamato case. On top of that I don't really think he was bussing WoS there because yeah the "safe" vote thing doesn't make sense to me but he pushed it multiple times and actually seems annoyed people still disagree with him. Im not saying he couldn't do that as mafia like he got his partner to shoot him last game im sure he is capable of this but I think it is very unlikely. Therefore i think he is town | ||
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On May 03 2015 12:03 rsoultin wrote: lol you really think town artanis martyrs here because someone said he might be scum? are you really so confident about reading one of the best players on this site that you're not going to think about it at all? I don't think its necessarily alignment indicative like as town or mafia he obviously wasn't going to get lynched there. I can see how people would be frustrrated because the long day phases coupled with the limited night kills kind of makes it feel like the game is moving along very slowly. Add ontop of that mine and I guess yamatos sub par activity levels when we are two of the most suspected i could see how a town artanis could just be frustrated here. | ||
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On May 03 2015 12:07 rsoultin wrote: pretty certain palmar is town pretty certain truffle is town yamato is and has always felt like a policy lynch to me, tbh...y'all really think he was trying to lynch his scum mate who was probably a scum pr when the doc was still alive? like, it's mean, but i don't think much about yamato's town game anyway; this level of bad doesn't seem outside his town play to me When you say they probably have a PR there is more of a chance that there is another goon OR a godfather which are both useless if they know we have a doc since damdy most likely got a save on you | ||
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scum role were randomised from the link hapa posted. The role that were there were Goon, roleblocker and godfather. Therefore 2/3 that it isnt a roleblocker. Also idk if scum care about their pr anymore sicne damdy made it fairly obvious he had a save on you considering how quickly i found it when i went back to look | ||
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On May 03 2015 12:13 rsoultin wrote: so frustrated someone thinking he could be scum is enough to throw a fit? you were in guardians with me. you think that's the same player? Yeah but that game actually was developing and stuff with stuff going on if you get me. Also look at it this way. If he was scum he isnt actually martying because why would he just throw like that if he is town he might actually get himself lynched. Idk how to explain it properly but like if he is actually martying it more likely makes him town but fuck having reads like that so its not alignment indicitve. I get what you are saying though that he is a good player so he shouldnt of reacted like that but then look at it from the same point of view if he is mafia and a good player why would he react like that aswell? | ||
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On May 03 2015 12:20 rsoultin wrote: bluffing xP is a hell of a lot easier than simply supporting his position Yeah but just lynching me then lynching yamato tomorrow (if he were scum0 is even easier than bluffing haha | ||
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The Setup: [list][*]Six Vanilla Townies + One Blue Role vs. Two Mafia [*]The Blue role and Mafia roles will be randomly generated. I assume that means randomed from the list he later linked | ||
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On May 03 2015 12:29 rsoultin wrote: yeah just found it kinda makes it a little less likely there are two goons, actually, but not significantly so. and damdy's reaction to me could have been a check as much as a save...so it's probably not worth speculating about tbh Yeah but mafia would know because if they held their shot he is a cop if they didnt he was a doc. so mafia knew | ||
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On May 03 2015 12:34 rsoultin wrote: not really? they could hold their shot and he still be a doc I guess but then you have to argue that they picked up on damdreds soft without actually having the information that KP was put on you which no one seemed to do other than yourself. Rso do you really think art is scum? Other than this martyr thing is their other reasons? I'm starting to egt to the point where I really don't think palmar bussed, i dont think trfel is mafia you are confirmed and im also quite certain art is town so ill be happy to be lynched then for yamato to be lynched but if you have other reasons for art on why he could be scum id like to hear them. | ||
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do you have reasons for thinking is artanis is scum? | ||
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We might as well revisit it now. | ||
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On May 03 2015 13:13 rsoultin wrote: mm? beyond what's already been mentioned at various points about his play? not really, just this felt odd to me but lol >< now that i thought it through it's not as odd i can see how he got to the conclusion and yes it is more likely i think than you being scum assuming he's town and has you three by poe teehee lol >< oops okay I guess that works for me ##Vote Yamato | ||
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I guess thats more useful than me trying to explain why they probs dont have a role blocker like i was about to again haha. Do you disagree with what i said about it is unlikely he bussed there? | ||
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On May 04 2015 09:10 rsoultin wrote: but hey first town win for awhile ^^ -crawls into palmar's pocket- ^^ btw bresh thanks for talking to me lol >< that helped a ton Haha at least I contributed in some way. As for the hold shot thing would it be balanced if mafia could hold their shot but they would have to either use 2 kp the next night or lose the held kp. So basically each held shot only lasts one night. | ||
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On May 04 2015 19:55 WaveofShadow wrote: I think dma is maybe the one positive thing I have left as a legacy to tl mafia, even if it barely applies these days and isn't used properly. Man I'm super pissed at myself for shit play this game though. As little as it means you sure had me sold haha | ||
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