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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 22 2015 22:31 GMT
#581
On April 23 2015 07:29 rsoultin wrote:
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On April 23 2015 07:28 yamato77 wrote:
I don't like Artanis' post where he comments on the case offhandedly and then votes trfel

but I also don't like trfel calling me mafia for shit reasons and then sheeping the BH lynch


truffle is null on you now

don't really like that post from artanis either xP

the read progresssion is odd. I didn't do anything in between him calling me mafia and now saying I'm null

his null post basically says "I don't have reasons to push this so I won't"

eeeeeeeh
Writer@WriterYamato
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
April 22 2015 22:34 GMT
#582
On April 23 2015 07:26 rsoultin wrote:
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On April 23 2015 07:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Can anyone concisely explain why they're suspicious of me other than not posting as much which I've already mentioned I would pregame and have done in the last game I've played as well (and flipped town in but is ongoing so shh)?


your contributions don't impress me ^^ what's more valuable is you doing the work you'd said you'd do on truffle so i can get a better read on you

i don't care if you're posting less. that's whatever. what i do expect, though, if you've decided to post less is higher quality posting

The posting less is a consequence of spending less time on the game, which is what the real reason for posting less is for me. Creating quality posts costs time too, therefore it seems unreasonable to expect consistent high quality posts as it'd still require a lot of time. I feel the observations I've had have been decent so far, though.

Reading Trfel, I don't understand his read progression on me at all. He had me as scummy leaning for my comment on waiting for Palmar/BH (which I feel is a dumb reason, but ok), then town for the way I replied to it, then said this about me:
Artanis is probably town, though I haven't carefully read the section of the thread in which he was posting. His questions are not only motivated at making reads, but also increasing the thread motivation. While he could do this as scum, I don't think it's terribly likely. In addition to the way that he responded to my pressure on him (previously described), I feel that Artanis is likely town.

So at this point he feels I'm likely town.
On April 23 2015 06:12 Trfel wrote:
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On April 23 2015 06:05 rsoultin wrote:
talk to me about artie and damdy -flops on- or about part of my list you disagree with

artie just seems...i dunnae, like people keep saying he's doing stuff but off the top of my head i can't really recall what aside from being charitable about my negative toneread on his entrance vote xP
Yeah, in retrospect, Artanis hasn't been doing as much as I thought. What he has been doing, though, has been in the right direction. I'm not sure how much of this is due to his post count restriction, and how much of it is due to my annoying him yesterday.

Damdred's tone looks really good for him here. And while some of the things he is doing seem strange, I don't see the mafia motivation, and he has seemingly tried to get more information into the thread. I don't think that he is scum.

Weakening off his townread on me a little, but still maintains that what I'm doing is in the right direction.
On April 23 2015 06:24 Trfel wrote:
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On April 23 2015 06:15 rsoultin wrote:
On April 23 2015 06:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
He scum read Trfel.
And actually as I recall that read is mostly based on meta and contrary to your read soniv kind of interested to see how that plays out.

Also don't quite get that yamato read Trfel.


well, that's easy, wave lol >< i'm right

the really question is whether or not it's reasonable for artie to be wrong about truffle and still town

(truffle is a super easy read imo)

meh guess i should actually read artanis' filter :/
I think that Artanis's scumread of me actually looks good for him. He makes a good point, and that's the sort of read that I expect from him. Would he do that as mafia? Not sure, but I think that he knows that he won't mislynch me this game (or at least, he will need much more evidence first).

I'm still leaning town on Artanis, though is absence is concerning me. Does he agree with the Blazinghand wagon? If not, he should be here and trying to stop it. At the time of his last post, there were four votes on Blazinghand.

If anything looks suspicious, that is it. He doesn't care if Blazinghand is lynched or not.

So he was leaning town on me, then finds another reason to lean town on me (scumreading him).

On April 23 2015 06:30 Trfel wrote:
I take it back, I just have terrible reading comprehension.

Artanis did comment on Blazinghand, first not convinced that he was scum due to his case, and then felt that it was an okay lynch due to the followup. Maybe I need to get my eyes checked.

It isn't a very large or amazing amount of information on Blazinghand, but I suppose I can see it from the perspective who sees an okay lynch, but also sees everyone ignoring what is (in his opinion) a better lynch.

Aaand another reason to townread me. So that's two more reasons to townread me after leaning town on me earlier.

On April 23 2015 06:40 Trfel wrote:
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On April 23 2015 06:34 rsoultin wrote:
On April 23 2015 00:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On April 22 2015 21:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
That's your ironclad reasoning palmar? Calling me scum for shit I've already explained in thread and saying 'I don't know what yamato is doing?'

Gj

Artanis any thoughts on BH at all? Did you read what I wrote?

I don't like his unwillingness to comment on other things. I don't like his case on Damdred particularly either. As has been said, it's a narrative. Seems like a good chance to flip scum.

I need to do some more work on Trfel and flesh my read on him out but I have to leave for theater in a sec. Will get something done later tonight. Kinda annoyed no one's commented on him since I called him scummy but you though.


mmm or maybe just benching the read for later?

okay i guess i can give artie some space to see what comes of this
It seemed to me that Artanis would be back later to finish his read on me.

Artanis is sort of null, I suppose, given both his semi-weak stance on Blazinghand and not having the thread leadership that I thought he did at a glance.

I expect scum to be among Artanis, yamato77, and maybe Breshke, even though I can't demonstrate that any of them are clear scum yet.

What happened? I don't understand this progression at all.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 22 2015 22:36 GMT
#583
I mean, look at the null post

He says I was "focusing on irrelevant things" (blatantly not true?)

He didn't like the "direction" I sent the thread in. Nebulous statement.

Hm.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 22 2015 22:39 GMT
#584
Artanis!

Seems like you and I have the same problem with trfel, haha.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 22 2015 22:39 GMT
#585
btw, if anyone wants my take on BH meta I'll go dig up a couple old games but it's not incredibly conclusive
Writer@WriterYamato
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
April 22 2015 22:42 GMT
#586
i've spoken about truffle about as much as i'm going to...if y'all want to lynch truffle instead of bh, you'll be doing it without me ^^ i trust my read on him more than y'all's "his reads on us change look how odd that is" stuff

@yamato - dude, you think it's more likely to come from scum than town to revisit someone they're casing and decide their reasons for scumreading him weren't alignment indicative after all? cause that's what you're telling me right now

@artanis - uhhh, are you reading those in context, artanis, or just filter-diving? cause i'm pretty sure we were discussing you

i'll let truffle address the evolution of his read on you, though...can't speak to that one the way i can the yamato read ^^
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
April 22 2015 22:44 GMT
#587
BH deserves to be lynched for not posting the British Empire Mafia post-game analysis anyway.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 22 2015 22:44 GMT
#588
well, in this situation with the lynch on BH forming, it's definitely possible he just effectively "shelves" his read on me to pull back out at a later date when there is such a juicy lynch hanging right in front of him

so yeah, if it was a complete re-evaluation it would be more understandable but it's sort of a "I can't push this right now, so I won't" sort of thing which is actually not so townie
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 22 2015 22:45 GMT
#589
On April 23 2015 07:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
BH deserves to be lynched for not posting the British Empire Mafia post-game analysis anyway.

So you consent to the BH lynch, Artanis?

or...?
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 22 2015 22:46 GMT
#590
man I wish I had woken up earlier

it's hard to get much done with only an hour to deadline : /
Writer@WriterYamato
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
April 22 2015 22:48 GMT
#591
@Arsoul Yeah, I'm aware of that. If he felt any of his reasons weren't good though, I'd imagine he'd have said something along the lines of "I didn't think of that" but your arguments weren't really bringing anything new to the table. I can't imagine that with the strength in the words he was saying he'd be swayed by what you said.

Also, as for your meta read on Trfel... You claimed to have a strong meta read for LS too, then you proceeded to misread him twice when he rolled scum twice. I'm sorry, but I don't hold too much faith in that.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
April 22 2015 22:49 GMT
#592
On April 23 2015 07:45 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2015 07:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
BH deserves to be lynched for not posting the British Empire Mafia post-game analysis anyway.

So you consent to the BH lynch, Artanis?

or...?

I don't oppose it. I honestly have no idea what he'll flip but a bunch of people look townier and I don't think I'll ever be confident in reading him as town so him going today is fine.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 22 2015 22:50 GMT
#593
On April 23 2015 07:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2015 07:45 yamato77 wrote:
On April 23 2015 07:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
BH deserves to be lynched for not posting the British Empire Mafia post-game analysis anyway.

So you consent to the BH lynch, Artanis?

or...?

I don't oppose it. I honestly have no idea what he'll flip but a bunch of people look townier and I don't think I'll ever be confident in reading him as town so him going today is fine.

-pukes on keyboard-
Writer@WriterYamato
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
April 22 2015 22:51 GMT
#594
On April 23 2015 07:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
@Arsoul Yeah, I'm aware of that. If he felt any of his reasons weren't good though, I'd imagine he'd have said something along the lines of "I didn't think of that" but your arguments weren't really bringing anything new to the table. I can't imagine that with the strength in the words he was saying he'd be swayed by what you said.

Also, as for your meta read on Trfel... You claimed to have a strong meta read for LS too, then you proceeded to misread him twice when he rolled scum twice. I'm sorry, but I don't hold too much faith in that.


lol the fucking difference here artanis is i've actually caught truffle as scum and as 3rd party, so you can be high-and-mighty about the fact that i've been wrong on people before if you want...and i probably will be again, and probably on truffle, too...but that doesn't undermine the accuracy at reading him that i've shown up to this point
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
April 22 2015 22:52 GMT
#595
On April 23 2015 07:51 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2015 07:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
@Arsoul Yeah, I'm aware of that. If he felt any of his reasons weren't good though, I'd imagine he'd have said something along the lines of "I didn't think of that" but your arguments weren't really bringing anything new to the table. I can't imagine that with the strength in the words he was saying he'd be swayed by what you said.

Also, as for your meta read on Trfel... You claimed to have a strong meta read for LS too, then you proceeded to misread him twice when he rolled scum twice. I'm sorry, but I don't hold too much faith in that.


lol the fucking difference here artanis is i've actually caught truffle as scum and as 3rd party, so you can be high-and-mighty about the fact that i've been wrong on people before if you want...and i probably will be again, and probably on truffle, too...but that doesn't undermine the accuracy at reading him that i've shown up to this point

Didn't you catch LS as mafia in his first game too?

I'm not getting high-and-mighty at all. I'm simply pointing out that you've been wrong plenty of times before, so saying "I'm telling you he isn't scum" is not very convincing to me. I need reasons.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
April 22 2015 22:52 GMT
#596
On April 23 2015 07:44 yamato77 wrote:
well, in this situation with the lynch on BH forming, it's definitely possible he just effectively "shelves" his read on me to pull back out at a later date when there is such a juicy lynch hanging right in front of him

so yeah, if it was a complete re-evaluation it would be more understandable but it's sort of a "I can't push this right now, so I won't" sort of thing which is actually not so townie


not really how i read it, considering he said the things he didn't like about you didn't necessarily make you scum, but whatever lol...i can see how you get that from his post. i don't
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
April 22 2015 22:53 GMT
#597
On April 23 2015 07:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2015 07:51 rsoultin wrote:
On April 23 2015 07:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
@Arsoul Yeah, I'm aware of that. If he felt any of his reasons weren't good though, I'd imagine he'd have said something along the lines of "I didn't think of that" but your arguments weren't really bringing anything new to the table. I can't imagine that with the strength in the words he was saying he'd be swayed by what you said.

Also, as for your meta read on Trfel... You claimed to have a strong meta read for LS too, then you proceeded to misread him twice when he rolled scum twice. I'm sorry, but I don't hold too much faith in that.


lol the fucking difference here artanis is i've actually caught truffle as scum and as 3rd party, so you can be high-and-mighty about the fact that i've been wrong on people before if you want...and i probably will be again, and probably on truffle, too...but that doesn't undermine the accuracy at reading him that i've shown up to this point

Didn't you catch LS as mafia in his first game too?

I'm not getting high-and-mighty at all. I'm simply pointing out that you've been wrong plenty of times before, so saying "I'm telling you he isn't scum" is not very convincing to me. I need reasons.


i've given reasons several times. if you're ignoring them, that's on you
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
April 22 2015 22:55 GMT
#598
yeah i think i caught ls as mafia cause i didn't know how he played as town and it was a fluke, frankly. it was the first game i've ever played with him

truffle is different, we played several games together before he rolled scum
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
April 22 2015 23:00 GMT
#599
On April 23 2015 07:53 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2015 07:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On April 23 2015 07:51 rsoultin wrote:
On April 23 2015 07:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
@Arsoul Yeah, I'm aware of that. If he felt any of his reasons weren't good though, I'd imagine he'd have said something along the lines of "I didn't think of that" but your arguments weren't really bringing anything new to the table. I can't imagine that with the strength in the words he was saying he'd be swayed by what you said.

Also, as for your meta read on Trfel... You claimed to have a strong meta read for LS too, then you proceeded to misread him twice when he rolled scum twice. I'm sorry, but I don't hold too much faith in that.


lol the fucking difference here artanis is i've actually caught truffle as scum and as 3rd party, so you can be high-and-mighty about the fact that i've been wrong on people before if you want...and i probably will be again, and probably on truffle, too...but that doesn't undermine the accuracy at reading him that i've shown up to this point

Didn't you catch LS as mafia in his first game too?

I'm not getting high-and-mighty at all. I'm simply pointing out that you've been wrong plenty of times before, so saying "I'm telling you he isn't scum" is not very convincing to me. I need reasons.


i've given reasons several times. if you're ignoring them, that's on you

Several times? This is the only one I can find ctrl-f'ing truffle in your filter.

On April 23 2015 06:25 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2015 06:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
On April 23 2015 06:15 rsoultin wrote:
On April 23 2015 06:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
He scum read Trfel.
And actually as I recall that read is mostly based on meta and contrary to your read soniv kind of interested to see how that plays out.

Also don't quite get that yamato read Trfel.


well, that's easy, wave lol >< i'm right

the really question is whether or not it's reasonable for artie to be wrong about truffle and still town

(truffle is a super easy read imo)

meh guess i should actually read artanis' filter :/

I dunno I guess maybe i should appreciate your 100 percent correct t rate on Trfel but it's a pretty nebulous read/concept for me to have to accept in a game based in cases/evidence.


if you don't like meta and you don't like tone i'm kinda wasting my time detailing it anyway, with the added issue of perhaps alerting truffle to what the red flags in his play are when he's scum/3rd party...

i don't mind going more in depth, but if you just look at his play here you see the effort he's been putting in (sporadically, but still) coupled with an almost carelessness about how others read his actions...the voting gooberliness, mainly

plus i think it's actually quite townie for someone to go...hey guys i'm writing a case on x...oh nevermind there's really not anything there that definitively makes x scum

Which I guess I can work with. He's only played one scumgame according to the DB so far though (Student) where he got copchecked as scum on D2. Not much to work with, especially since I coached him that game and gave him a bunch of tips I'd expect him to incorporate into his play.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
April 22 2015 23:01 GMT
#600
aperture 3rd party...it's not scum but it was anti-town and he was easy to pick out there, too
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
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