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On April 22 2015 15:30 Blazinghand wrote:
BTW the case is like 8 paragraphs, tops. The fact that there's resistance to reading it is pretty apalling. There are a lot of quotes in there, sure, but you've already read the quotes, assuming you've read the thread. It's not like it's so long that by tghe time you get to the end of it you can't "remember" what was at the start (Breshke >.>)
And yes, I was pointing out how most of what Damdred said was scummy, but MOST OF WHAT DAMDRED SAID WAS SCUMMY. Like, legit the dude is scum. Also, I'm not saying that literally every post he makes pushes a scum agenda. I'm noting how they serve his agenda, and hwo they don't link together into a town mindset. I also concede some stuff that DOES link together and is right. In fact, I explicitly state scum CAN be right, as his meta analysis of my willinginess to use IRL stuff as scum is literally correct. But that doesn't change the fact that if you look, Damdred's thoughts DO NOT follow each other.
I know I obviously didn't read it well hence I hadn't commented on it until wave specifically asked for it. Im obviously biast aswell because i already thought damdred was town.
I also fully believe that you blazinghand could make this case as scum as ive seen you rng someone and they actually write convincing reasons why they are scum other than the fact that you rng'd them. Hence why I also said I wanted to see other stuff from you aswell
Probably need to head off now so I won't be going back over your big post until i come back tonight.
On April 22 2015 15:39 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 15:25 Breshke wrote:On April 22 2015 14:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
Breshke let her cool down and talk to me about BH's monstrosity and Damdred for a bit.
Did you read that post? Do you have any primary thoughts? Sorry i actually didn't see this. I like skim read through it skipped a few bits in the end/middle. I feel bad on commenting on stuff like that before reading it properly because if bh is town or scum he obviously put a lot of effort into it for me to just come and be like didnt read it here's what i think. Anyway first off i don't like how it feels like he was trying to push scum on what felt like every single thing that damdred has posted. I don't think if someone is scum that they are scum in all their posts if that makes sense. Some of the early stuff I think bh had a problem with can be explained by damdred thinking it was standard IML and then being told it wasn't(this is referring to the throwing away vote thing) . I can see how BH would miss this as if you read damdreds filter (I assume this is what happend) and not the game you wouldn't really get the grasp of that. Then i don't really rememebr much else from it other than the point about him voting artanis after BH came in with his excuse that damdred predicted. I liked this point and it is odd but damdred did say to me that his vote on artanis was trying to make stuff happen so i can see a world where he would push on artanis instead of BH here because more people would react to the artanis push whereas a push on bh would get put down as a plynch I think it's actually pretty hilarious for so many people to come in and go tl;dr to BH's post. He kinda deserves it for playing like he does half the time lol So first, I agree with your first point, and that's exactly what rsoul has been saying. These kind of narrative reads are what I used to rely on, but you can go through anyone's filter and paint them in whatever light you like in this way. It can be convincing in the right hands, but it's not particularly accurate which is ultimately what matters to the rst of town. The convincing-ness of the post is what matters to BH as either alignment. Damdred also recently said something about thinking it was standard IML. Where did he do this, because I can't find it. Like....reading through Damdred's filter is easier than reading BH's case on him, fuck
Hmm i didn't realise that what rsoul was saying was similar to me. Thanks for pointing that out.
I'm not sure if he ever explicitly said it at the time but the quote saying he hates people throwing votes around made me assume that he did because i couldn't think of a reason why he would dislike it otherwise.
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Palmar you are obviously ignoring the context though. From what I understand the thrid vote in IML can be seen as safe for scum as they vote on a misslynch but arnt the creator of the push nor one of the hammers. Therefore one could say that scum might join a wagon at this time to blend into town while still getting the misslynch they need. So while WoS said the vote was safe he ment it was safe way for scum to try and secure a misslynch.
Yes a third vote in this type of instant misslynch is even safer but in context it doesn't move towards scums goal of getting a misslynch as a push that early is not likely to be sustained over a 24 hour period. So yes while you are strictly right that the vote was infact safer it can't be seen as pushing for a misslynch as much.
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Okay so going through the BH post there is some questions i want damdred to answer.
You at some point said BH was active elsewhere. BH said he wasnt IDK if i should or shouldnt be asking this i ignorant to things but if you can say what you were reffering to that would be great.
Secondly you assessed trfels scum meta and said you didn't find his play here similar. What games were you referring too?
I think that's it.
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And the BH case itself I feel ehh about a lot of points or feel like he is taking it out of context.I can go into specifics but only parts people ask about because cbf. I part i dislike the most is the
What's your response? Do you:
A) Call BH scum and quote his single post
B) Call BH scum and note that he played just as you acted.
C) Start asking other players why they're accepted BH's bad excuses, and call him scum.
or...
D) make some vague noises at BH, but UNVOTE HIM AND VOTE SOMEONE ELSE
Bit because it is the part where it most feels like BH is making his own narrative.
That being said I do like the part about damdred pushing art and not caring about BH anymore. To add to this damdred hasn't really joined the BH wagon when he pointed out something really good early that basically kicked off the wagon. Like there is three of us that arn't him voting on the BH wagon but he just doesn't seem itnested.
The thing that gives me pause though is that, people can correct me on this, but i've seen damdred get demotivated as town before and i understand that because sometimes you just don't feel it and idk if that is what is happening here.
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I gotta go to bed ill probs be up for offical vote count but i doubt we are going to be lynching anyone. I do think we should aim to lynch someone next phase though as I feel like we kind of need to get the game moving? Idk how to explain it.
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Morning
Yamatos point is strictly correct like we dont lose anything by giving BH an extra day.
That being said I still want to lynch him
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The route BH has taken to defend himself is so strange to me though. Like antagonizing people into lynching him and daying it is their fault if they do. It jusy feels lazy which is not what id expect since pregame he said he was excited to play with this lynch mechanic
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Haha i actually think you are likely town now rso. Youve saud some stuff while i was asleep that I liked.
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The thing is like i really wont blame anyome currently voting BH if they unvote to give it an extra day. It wont be me though and I have a feeling we are going to lynch him anyway
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Anyone got amything to say imcase they die?
Mine is probably never lynch wave
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Yeah i deffs agree with no claiming
Also that flavor is so so good
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On April 24 2015 09:15 Palmar wrote:
Yes I found it.
So I'm bad sorry. Mafia absolutely held their shot. They always do when this option is available. ALWAYS.
I don't really get that. Like if there is a detective role they are just letting them get a free check. By not killing anyone they ensure our Pr doesn't die and if we have a saving role using two KP in one night feels like it increases the chances that they will get a save.
Does anyone have any conclusions from BH flipping town because i got none currently
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On April 24 2015 09:22 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2015 09:20 Breshke wrote:On April 24 2015 09:15 Palmar wrote:
Yes I found it.
So I'm bad sorry. Mafia absolutely held their shot. They always do when this option is available. ALWAYS. I don't really get that. Like if there is a detective role they are just letting them get a free check. By not killing anyone they ensure our Pr doesn't die and if we have a saving role using two KP in one night feels like it increases the chances that they will get a save. Does anyone have any conclusions from BH flipping town because i got none currently 20% chance to hit a detective role mafia doesn't know is in the game is so shitty that they'd never take it. If mafia shoots it's to shoot a townie they want to get rid of, or medic dodging. But that also potentially gives town information. It's just easily the best play to hold the shot and leave town in the dark. The first indication of what mafia wants to do will be given in lylo (or mylo) Anyway, I'm going to sleep. I have an idea or two on what I want to do today but I want to read more first. I was lazy during the night and didn't really read much at all.
Okay putting it like this I understand. The no information until lylo bit is especially crucial.
Imma brb for a bit
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On April 23 2015 08:29 Palmar wrote:
Breshke is my #1 town
Palmar what made you post this. What made me your number one town.
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On April 24 2015 18:41 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2015 15:39 Breshke wrote:On April 23 2015 08:29 Palmar wrote:
Breshke is my #1 town Palmar what made you post this. What made me your number one town. I did not post this.
If you had to take a guess why do you think the person who posted it posted it.
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##vote Yamato
I like palmars case don't get why people thought he ment they had to be mafia together. I think him referencing yamato not interacting with his case on WoS shows that he wasn't actually looking for an alternative to the BH lynch as from what i can tell he still didn't like wave at EoD yet failed to bring him up at all.
I think this read can stand by tiself from his wave read since I still disagree with him on that i think wave is town.
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On April 25 2015 12:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
I still have an issue with how he treated EoD and beginning of day as scum---like that's super shit play and screaming TMI at everyone, especially considering the explanations and posts he made after the fact.
Mmmm it's hard because he isnt doing anything but he has that excuse of having been in lylo in that other game but still ehh idk. After his rant of how town has to apply pressure i feel like he should be doing stuff. There is still over 12 hours in this phase I guess.
I also don't like that yamato said the BH case wasn't that bad but failed to push on damdred basically at all other than a few posts like this
On April 23 2015 08:21 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 08:17 rsoultin wrote:
how many days do you want to put off lynching, yamato?
he was in the thread last night and being obstructive. did you say you liked his case? what did you like about it? I said it wasn't that bad Do you really believe ONLY scum BH makes a case like that? I certainly don't. I don't even like damdred that much this game. I don't really care for his responses to the case either. He essentially came out with nothing.
How was he being obstructive? He argued about his case, sure, but who wouldn't want to defend their piece of work? It's silly to scumread him for believing his read. What do we really lose by not lynching right now, exactly? I argued against this sort of idea before but only as a means to actually apply pressure. It doesn't mean anything to lynch BH here because he's really only been in the thread to post his case and defend it.
Which he never expands upon or further investigates.
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So I think Wave and Rso are really townie.
I think trfel is a little less townie than those two
I also really like palmar this phase.
That leaves me with scumato and then 1 between art and damdred so if you two could do stuff a bunch that would be nice.
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I dont have much time ill have to leave soon and be gone for like an hour after deadline but rso your points seems to explain eachother.
I dont have any scunreads just a bunch of townreads then palamar drops a good casr on yama who is.not ome of my townreads so i dont see whats wrong with sheeping this. (what reasons do you even scumread yama for like couldnt you say your reasons are other peoples reasons aswell)
then to find the last scum I PoE and damdred and srt hadnt impressed me today when normally i feel like they are high impact players.
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