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Also, as for your meta read on Trfel... You claimed to have a strong meta read for LS too, then you proceeded to misread him twice when he rolled scum twice. I'm sorry, but I don't hold too much faith in that. | ||
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On April 23 2015 07:45 yamato77 wrote: So you consent to the BH lynch, Artanis? or...? I don't oppose it. I honestly have no idea what he'll flip but a bunch of people look townier and I don't think I'll ever be confident in reading him as town so him going today is fine. | ||
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On April 23 2015 07:51 rsoultin wrote: lol the fucking difference here artanis is i've actually caught truffle as scum and as 3rd party, so you can be high-and-mighty about the fact that i've been wrong on people before if you want...and i probably will be again, and probably on truffle, too...but that doesn't undermine the accuracy at reading him that i've shown up to this point Didn't you catch LS as mafia in his first game too? I'm not getting high-and-mighty at all. I'm simply pointing out that you've been wrong plenty of times before, so saying "I'm telling you he isn't scum" is not very convincing to me. I need reasons. | ||
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On April 23 2015 07:53 rsoultin wrote: i've given reasons several times. if you're ignoring them, that's on you Several times? This is the only one I can find ctrl-f'ing truffle in your filter. On April 23 2015 06:25 rsoultin wrote: if you don't like meta and you don't like tone i'm kinda wasting my time detailing it anyway, with the added issue of perhaps alerting truffle to what the red flags in his play are when he's scum/3rd party... i don't mind going more in depth, but if you just look at his play here you see the effort he's been putting in (sporadically, but still) coupled with an almost carelessness about how others read his actions...the voting gooberliness, mainly plus i think it's actually quite townie for someone to go...hey guys i'm writing a case on x...oh nevermind there's really not anything there that definitively makes x scum Which I guess I can work with. He's only played one scumgame according to the DB so far though (Student) where he got copchecked as scum on D2. Not much to work with, especially since I coached him that game and gave him a bunch of tips I'd expect him to incorporate into his play. | ||
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On April 23 2015 08:13 rsoultin wrote: meh >< i kinda hate this cause people asking me about tone/meta reads is not something i'm good at explaining. i kept yelling at people to lynch rayn in guardians but my explanation wasn't good enough for anyone xP naturally he was scum nnnnnn so when i think of town truffle i think of a truffle who is not afraid of how he looks - silly votes on artie and unvoting to become the hammer vote on bh when i think of town truffle, i think of a truffle whose reads tend to change a lot until he starts tunneling - the read progressions on you and yamato that you both found "odd"...example of tunneling would be tere >< when i think of town truffle, i think of a sarcastic twit lol >< - this is where i started townreading him: when i think of a town truffle, i think of a devil's advocate, much like breshke - there are several instances where he argued the opposite point of view as a possibility, if not necessarily what he himself believed ^ that is what makes up my read on a town truffle, and i don't know how to make that helpful to the rest of the thread. i've been very successful with it Need to think this over, but since the only choice is between no lynching and lynching BH for today that can wait for a sec. There's this sequence of posts of BH where he complains about people calling his case a narrative, then follows it up by asking what a "narrative" is. He does put it under quotations suggesting he meant the way we use the word, but I still find it odd he refers to it as something where he knows what it is first, then suddenly doesn't know. + Show Spoiler [posts] + On April 23 2015 00:07 Blazinghand wrote: Complain about context or narratives all you want, Damdred has never shown a shred of town motivation or logic yo his read progression. If my truth is too much for you then lynch me and behold the spectacle of your incompetence. I suppose the time when one could only be available for five hours per day have passed, even though I have possibly written and thought about this game more than everyone else. I will not bow to your disgusting threats. I will not be coerced into becoming something worse for your twisted ideals. If I'm alive when I get home I'll save us all. Otherwise, should I die for your ignorance, I will view the departure with as much relief as disgust. On April 23 2015 00:27 Blazinghand wrote: what's a "narrative" wtf it's a post by post analysis, of course it's "narrative", I'm literally narrating what the dude did, how is that even an objection to it. that's like saying "it's a case" therefore it's bad | ||
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On April 23 2015 08:29 Palmar wrote: Breshke is my #1 town He 's been my #1 town since before it was cool. | ||
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On April 20 2015 21:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I actually like playing with Breshke though, found him quite reasonable in the last game we played. Now you're making me sad. | ||
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I'm actually kinda happy that tomorrow will be silent since I have work on thursday this week. | ||
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Damdred's Trfel case is bad. Doubt is a town trait for Trfel. What I'm more worried about is that he artifically inserted doubt when I pointed out how his read on me was too strong for his normal towngame, and thus became more doubtful in general. What's stopping me from going full yolo on a Trfel lynch is that he feels very reasonable. He keeps re-evaluating me (even though I don't understand at all how he comes to his conclusions, on me at least) and seems to be very fluid in his reads, which is something that's very difficult as scum. I think I want to lynch Palmar today. Trfel said he's been trolling, but I feel like Palmar hasn't really trolled as much as not giving a shit. He's pushed Wave mostly without much reasoning and has just not given a lot of shits about anything else. He made this one terrible list post that didn't have any reasons which Marv once told me is a hallmark of his scumgame (and he hasn't posted any reads lists as town since Imperial whilst he has as scum). His 'town meta' of not doing anything is easily replicable as scum. He's been townread for it before, I see no reason why he wouldn't attempt to replicate it as town. There's no reason to read Palmar as town, his unsubstantiated reads list is scummy and he hasn't truly trolled in a way that causes people to rise up against him. It's been calculated play. ##Vote Palmar | ||
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On April 25 2015 01:42 Damdred wrote: I'll reread there interactions but I don't think it looks mafiaxmafia. I thought Yamato looked good early decent activity ok content, waves picked up later What is this? Why are you instantly trying to look at them as a scumteam instead of looking at if they're scum individually? What's this unflipped association thing? | ||
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On April 25 2015 01:58 Damdred wrote: palmar asked a specific question and I answered it He asked you why you think they're town. He didn't ask if you think they're mafia together. | ||
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On April 25 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote: Sorry, I'm not going to be around for the deadline. I'm fairly confident that at least one of my townreads is mafia, I'll take another look at them soon. What makes you say this? | ||
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Palmar reacted pretty much exactly how I'd expect Town!Palmar to reply. Uncompromising and in your face whilst still doing stuff. Need to think about Yamato. | ||
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Actually a problem I see in his filter is that he's droning on about the same things over and over again. First WoS, then the thing with me on waiting for Palmar/BH to contribute, and then on BH. He doesn't really re-evaluate anything nor does he share many thoughts on other things than whatever he's chasing at the time. Could prob lynch/10. | ||
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On April 26 2015 03:00 Damdred wrote: I'm totally ignoring you today Rsoultin on any list post just so you know, you are my top town and i'd never lynch you ever. Well maybe just dpeneds on how angry I am on you, i'll keep my options open just in case you flip scum so i can go see see i knew it. Besides that the town list goes something like this Damdred Breshke Wave Palmar Yamato Trfel Artanis From least scummy to most scummy, I could potentially see wave and Palmar swipping slots his case on yamato wasn't really that bad, and his insistence coupleled with the push looks pretty good and his ability to troll early has me having some decent feelings about him I think. Yamato has probably dropped off the most over the past cycle for me, it is really worrying that hes quit playing right now right when people are starting to talk about him instead of fighting against it. Its a scum trait of his that I've seen in the past so hes dropping pretty fast. Trfel...trfel.... I thought he was town early with his postings looked pretty decent. Now idk, it looks kind of rough to me. And granted I might just be looking at something badly here, but I still think him trying to invalidate his own read and then not responding to a longer post that I made unless i missed it still has me worrying. Art even though hes claiming earlier that hes trying not to be so posty hasn't really influenced the game I think, and honestly looks super disinterested in pushing discussion or anything related to game solving. Which is a really broad statement I know, but its just how i feel about him currently. If we're talking about expectations, I could prob lynch you for this post, and in general. So unrefined, something I'm not used to seeing from you. You usually bring out lots of analysis, deep and refined thoughts at some point in the game. We're like 6 days in and I haven't seen any VCA or detailed reasoning on really anyone. You cased Trfel, nothing happened and now suddenly I'm your main scumread. Why? "He hasn't really influenced the game". As for pushing discussion, I haven't had strong suspects in this game as I haven't really found anything yet. If I were scum (I can already hear the cries for WIFOM) I'd probably be pushing something since it doesn't matter what you push, as pushing itself looks good. The fact that I HAVEN'T pushed anything strongly is because of my uncertainty. Meanwhile, I see a Damdred unwilling to think critically at this juncture in the game, has made a jokey list post and hasn't pushed his main scumread all game except for a vote which he later claimed was just policy to get me to do something. | ||
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On April 24 2015 22:20 Damdred wrote: 1) Underplaying yourself is one of the scummy things that I believe exists 2) The main issue is that you come out of the gate really strong on Yamato. Heres why I think hes scum, and you line up all these reasons but then at the very read you dismiss yourself and make it seem like you aren't strong on him at all. 3) How do you know its throwing the game if you push your Yamato read forever? If you think hes scum legitimately you wouldn't think you would be throwing the game, if you are scum you know that it will lose the game for town. Hence why you just said "If you want me to throw the game for town" you said for town because you aren't town. ##Vote Trfel Posts Trfel made since: On April 25 2015 01:48 Trfel wrote: But he didn't really follow up with his other pushes either. That or he just likes to feign complete confidence in his reads without actually being that confident in them. On April 25 2015 01:53 Trfel wrote: I'm not sure if Palmar has started playing the game seriously yet or not? Can someone please enlighten me? On April 25 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote: Sorry, I'm not going to be around for the deadline. I'm fairly confident that at least one of my townreads is mafia, I'll take another look at them soon. Unless one of these or something else changed your mind on Trfel, why did you make a case on your second biggest scumread instead of your biggest, Damdred? | ||
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