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On April 22 2015 06:02 Trfel wrote: I suppose you're right, it's best for me to keep my thoughts about Blazinghand to myself for the time being. I hope that you are curious. I suppose Artanis looks the most suspicious to me so far. Why didn't I make the list? Why is he so content to wait? I noticed that Artanis was probing with questions for information earlier, but lately he's dropped off, and now this quote. You have made a post that actually contained reads, they haven't (unless you want to count Palmar's unsubstantiated comments on rso and wave 'reads'.) | ||
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On April 22 2015 06:06 Trfel wrote: Imagine you are Artanis in this game. The game starts, you need to establish your thread presence, because that's what people expect of you. You start asking questions and probing, but the thread degenerates into random arguing and yelling, and is low on activity and quality. You've already contributed to the discussion and made your presence known, and if everyone else isn't going to make serious reads, there's no need to continue. Time to relax and sit back until town pulls itself together. Imagine you're Artanis in this game. You see two players that can be great as town doing fuck all. There is no hard deadline. You force them to participate by taking a back seat and take your time. | ||
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On April 22 2015 06:10 WaveofShadow wrote: That doesn't force anything. They'll participate if they feel like it this game. Well, they can continue to do nothing, and then we can lynch them then bitch about them not playing to their win condition. The point is, we can give them time due to there not being a hard deadline, so there's no excuses for them not to participate. | ||
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On April 22 2015 06:13 yamato77 wrote: artanis, is this seriously your plan this game? Is there any point to this question? | ||
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On April 22 2015 06:17 Trfel wrote: I give up. Rsoultin is slow, and she's probably town anyway. I agree, you aren't forcing them to participate. Furthermore, in Palmar's case, he trolls quite often. As town. And it's not a weekend, so I don't know why you think more time would help. I skimmed your filter in Linux Mafia, and you didn't seem to mind Palmar's trolling all that much, I got the impression that you worked around it. None of the other games are comparable because they have hard deadlines. This game doesn't. That's a very big difference. My play isn't very useful if you all put your attention on me though. Palmar trolls, but when he's at risk of getting lynched, he will play to his win condition. Same is true for BH (for the most part). | ||
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On April 22 2015 06:23 Trfel wrote: But I'm doubtful that it's worth stopping playing the game over? You can play the game, promote discussion, and then decide to pressure or lynch Palmar anyway. You can play the game and let Blazinghand know that if he doesn't come back at the time he said he would, he will be lynched. How am I not playing the game right now? I'm responding to you pressing me on something that really isn't alignment indicative. If anything, it's town indicative since as mafia I'd probably want as short a day as possible. | ||
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"OMG HES GONNA WAIT AND DO NOTHING ALL DAY LOOK FOCUS ON HIM INSTEAD OF THE TWO GUYS DOING NOTHING AND PRESS HIM ON SOMETHING THAT ISN'T ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE FOR OVER A PAGE AND DIVERT ALL ATTENTION AWAY FROM THEM IMMEDIATELY AND MAKE SURE BH/PALMAR DEFINITELY DON'T FEEL ANY PRESSURE" ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/D9VucAQ.gif) | ||
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On April 22 2015 06:32 yamato77 wrote: you're responding to PRESSURE you aren't the one doing the pressing big difference I'm responding to idiots being idiots and it's unfortunate as I could have spent that time playing GTA5. Actually, I couldn't because it's not installed yet, but that's semantics. | ||
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On April 22 2015 06:39 yamato77 wrote: so you freely admit you don't actually care to play the game beyond wasting time waiting for Palmar/BH? alright ##unvote ##Vote: Artanis I'd be happy to spend that time doing analysis, but I'm not exactly in the mood for that anymore after the idiocy that went down, so yeah, I'm just gonna go and chill for today. | ||
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I actually think Trfel is my biggest scumread atm. In LXX, it was extremely difficult to get him to townread me. I literally had to move mountains (still tired) before he stopped being suspicious of me. This game, he randomly decided to get suspicious of me due to that post where I said I'd wait for Palmar/BH, then after a few posts on it he randomly decided I'm a townlean again. I sense a lack of true suspicion in him; it feels like he's just trying to push whatever seems easiest to push at the time. He's also giving off a lot of free townreads which doesn't fit into the suspicious Trfel I've played with in LXX. He feels far too ironclad in his opinions. ##Vote Trfel | ||
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As for the Breshke vote thing, it's odd but not really scummy at all. He could've gone any which way on Breshke and make up any reason once he found that out. Why would he have a change of heart and go from scumreading to townreading Breshke as mafia? | ||
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On April 22 2015 21:12 WaveofShadow wrote: That's your ironclad reasoning palmar? Calling me scum for shit I've already explained in thread and saying 'I don't know what yamato is doing?' Gj Artanis any thoughts on BH at all? Did you read what I wrote? I don't like his unwillingness to comment on other things. I don't like his case on Damdred particularly either. As has been said, it's a narrative. Seems like a good chance to flip scum. I need to do some more work on Trfel and flesh my read on him out but I have to leave for theater in a sec. Will get something done later tonight. Kinda annoyed no one's commented on him since I called him scummy but you though. | ||
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On April 23 2015 07:11 Damdred wrote: yes you just got hammered artani I need you to post your final reads I've posted my reads in the thread already my friend. On April 23 2015 07:12 rsoultin wrote: can you flesh out your read on truffle for me please? not necessarily urgent, but i want to know why you don't like bh but still are on truffle...your metaread isn't really resonating with me the way i'd expect it to I'll work on that soonish. I just feel like the flip from scummy on me to townie on me was far too 'easy' for how I've experienced him in the past. That set alarm bells off, but I haven't had the time to dig into him further yet. I don't like BH in that I don't think he's done anything particularly townie and done a few things that are bad. I just have no idea if the bad things make him scum. BH is particularly tough to read and I'm not sure it'll ever become clearer in the future so I don't oppose the lynch either. With a few townreads in the thread and him not being one of them I'm fine with his lynch, but am not confident enough in him flipping scum to vote for him at this juncture. | ||
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On April 23 2015 07:26 rsoultin wrote: your contributions don't impress me ^^ what's more valuable is you doing the work you'd said you'd do on truffle so i can get a better read on you i don't care if you're posting less. that's whatever. what i do expect, though, if you've decided to post less is higher quality posting The posting less is a consequence of spending less time on the game, which is what the real reason for posting less is for me. Creating quality posts costs time too, therefore it seems unreasonable to expect consistent high quality posts as it'd still require a lot of time. I feel the observations I've had have been decent so far, though. Reading Trfel, I don't understand his read progression on me at all. He had me as scummy leaning for my comment on waiting for Palmar/BH (which I feel is a dumb reason, but ok), then town for the way I replied to it, then said this about me: Artanis is probably town, though I haven't carefully read the section of the thread in which he was posting. His questions are not only motivated at making reads, but also increasing the thread motivation. While he could do this as scum, I don't think it's terribly likely. In addition to the way that he responded to my pressure on him (previously described), I feel that Artanis is likely town. So at this point he feels I'm likely town. On April 23 2015 06:12 Trfel wrote: Yeah, in retrospect, Artanis hasn't been doing as much as I thought. What he has been doing, though, has been in the right direction. I'm not sure how much of this is due to his post count restriction, and how much of it is due to my annoying him yesterday. Damdred's tone looks really good for him here. And while some of the things he is doing seem strange, I don't see the mafia motivation, and he has seemingly tried to get more information into the thread. I don't think that he is scum. Weakening off his townread on me a little, but still maintains that what I'm doing is in the right direction. On April 23 2015 06:24 Trfel wrote: I think that Artanis's scumread of me actually looks good for him. He makes a good point, and that's the sort of read that I expect from him. Would he do that as mafia? Not sure, but I think that he knows that he won't mislynch me this game (or at least, he will need much more evidence first). I'm still leaning town on Artanis, though is absence is concerning me. Does he agree with the Blazinghand wagon? If not, he should be here and trying to stop it. At the time of his last post, there were four votes on Blazinghand. If anything looks suspicious, that is it. He doesn't care if Blazinghand is lynched or not. So he was leaning town on me, then finds another reason to lean town on me (scumreading him). On April 23 2015 06:30 Trfel wrote: I take it back, I just have terrible reading comprehension. Artanis did comment on Blazinghand, first not convinced that he was scum due to his case, and then felt that it was an okay lynch due to the followup. Maybe I need to get my eyes checked. It isn't a very large or amazing amount of information on Blazinghand, but I suppose I can see it from the perspective who sees an okay lynch, but also sees everyone ignoring what is (in his opinion) a better lynch. Aaand another reason to townread me. So that's two more reasons to townread me after leaning town on me earlier. On April 23 2015 06:40 Trfel wrote: It seemed to me that Artanis would be back later to finish his read on me. Artanis is sort of null, I suppose, given both his semi-weak stance on Blazinghand and not having the thread leadership that I thought he did at a glance. I expect scum to be among Artanis, yamato77, and maybe Breshke, even though I can't demonstrate that any of them are clear scum yet. What happened? I don't understand this progression at all. | ||
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