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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 20 2015 13:25 GMT
#344
##unvote as per the bottom of 17

not voting my lawyer haha
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 20 2015 13:26 GMT
#345
Anyways no I didnt know the setup cake. I thought it was Cop/Doc Goon/Goon in which case if scum doesnt counterclaim they almost always lose.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 20 2015 13:27 GMT
#346
On April 20 2015 01:32 Bill Murray wrote:
There is 1 role that should be claiming. Cop.


On April 20 2015 10:02 Bill Murray wrote:
i thought this was cop/doc

i didnt know there was potentially a roleblocker

proof
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 20 2015 13:29 GMT
#347
I don't like a plotspot lynch here. Guy has 1 post and he says "game is slow" which is exactly what I said so no i dont want to lynch him
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 20 2015 13:31 GMT
#349
Sorry for spam
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 20 2015 13:54 GMT
#351
You know, this setup seems absurdly scum favored upon looking at it. We REALLY Don't need a mislynch on me. IF anyone would come around right now, I would greatly enjoy some discussion. As it is, though, I am doing some filter diving.

Speaking of scumteams I thought 1) we had 9 players and there were 2 scum
2) it was Cop/Doc/Goon/Goon
3) I am actually relatively confirmed village idiot at this point

But you all can go ahead and lynch me I'm not even going to doublevote on someone to get the vote off of me

On April 20 2015 01:03 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Hey veterans here.
What is your experience about inactive players that come to thread with post stating their reason for inactivity and haven't posted at all.

How many times they have been scums? I mean just inactivity on day1 gives them like "free" day. Less posts, less scumhunting on them.


I don't see this guy as being scum. The last part of his post is more of a "theory posed as a question"

There is a guy on this website named Foolishness, who, in the prime of his mafia playing, wasn't the best mafia player. He was great as town, but as mafia, he would emulate his blue play, possibly subconsciously, and coast through D1 to D2 before he would start posting. As VT however the guy would be posting this huge ass posts detailing the possibility of entire scumteams


On April 20 2015 07:14 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
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On April 20 2015 06:48 Trfel wrote:
For anyone who doesn't know Bill Murray, he's quite famous.

This is a must read.

Wow, I have been banned several times on this website but damn, now there is name that I should look forward to when playing mafia. Such a legend.

+ Show Spoiler +
/jk

Do I need to even need to stay this?

I still don't think this guy should be lynched, even when he's making fun of me. I feel like he is just a bored VT.

##vote: Scott31337

IIoA, AtA, AtS, voting obvious bored townie

Scott has been giving any bit of off topic information, or even on topic information, without actually doing analysis. I will highlight this now:

On April 19 2015 13:00 scott31337 wrote:
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On April 19 2015 11:18 Trfel wrote:
There is a typo in the link to scott31337's filter in the OP. There is an extra "3" in the link.


Thanks - now I'm Scott31333337. *facepalm*

Trfel's post looks like something he wrote up the day before and is not alignment indicative.

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On April 19 2015 11:49 Trfel wrote:
Hm, this game feels slow already. I thought my post would get things started, but I guess that wasn't good enough.
I find Bourneq to be the most suspicious so far.
On April 19 2015 11:00 Bourneq wrote:
Anybody wants to request a tone read from me? Ill give a more educated response than last game.
Actually I am going to sleep, its 4 am.
Bourneq asks if anyone wants to ask him for a tone read, because this is something that people asked him to do last game. And he knows that it's a townie thing to do. However, the interesting thing is that he asks if people want him to tone read someone or something. He doesn't seem inclined to do it himself. This suggests that he is more interested in appeasing others and not getting lynched than actually finding scum.

Furthermore, he says that he will sleep instead of scumhunting. But why would he leave the first sentence in if he is going to sleep after all? He left it in to gain town credit for being open to doing something towny (making a read).
On April 19 2015 11:21 Bourneq wrote:
Well im not tonereading that one. TL;DR
Then, someone in his previous game made a post. And Bourneq acknowledges it and says that he wasn't going to read it. Why does Bourneq feel a need to acknowledge my post? He already said that he's tired and he will be going to bed. His post doesn't help town in any way, but it makes him seem more involved in the game (which is false, since he didn't bother to toneread anyone at all).
I'll be heading out again for a while. Any thoughts?


When I first read this, I thought Bourneq was asking for tone reads on himself, which I did not understand since he only had one post. Reading your point of view, I do not know what tone reads he would give off - and then added the TLDR post - meh.

What do you think of the LS/Damdred exchange? I know LS can be intimidated - and avoiding questions intentionally is viewed as scummy.

Even in his most scumhunting sounding post, he chooses to word it as "is viewed as scummy" as opposed to "is scummy". His previous scumhunting analysis is a whopping "meh"... literally. He literally says that. What can we get out of someone saying "meh" ? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

On April 19 2015 14:27 scott31337 wrote:
I really don't have much at the moment - Damdred slight town - you as well -

I believe Shining is still upset about the case I made about him four months ago in LX.

Everyone else null ATM

his one town post, the above, even feels forced. he throws out a couple leans as bones to the town, and then goes on to finish it with the almighty "Everyone is null"

Yeah it's early in the game but this is different. This is him trying to coast through while having activity for the sake of activity without committing to any analysis whatsoever.

On April 19 2015 14:37 scott31337 wrote:
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On April 19 2015 14:35 LeiNadk wrote:
Could someone explain to me precisely what a tone read is? From context, I'm assuming, it's something Bourne was asked to do last game and got mislynched for.

Sorry about all the questions. Should I direct these questions to coaches rather post them in the game?


I'll let one of the others answer the "tone read" question better then I can - but from the rules/first post, Do not talk about coaching in the game. just FYI

More IIoA. Bringing up a topic and not even answering it. He defers.

On April 19 2015 14:44 scott31337 wrote:
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On April 19 2015 14:38 LeiNadk wrote:
On April 19 2015 14:27 scott31337 wrote:
I really don't have much at the moment - Damdred slight town - you as well -

I believe Shining is still upset about the case I made about him four months ago in LX.

Everyone else null ATM

Could you elaborate on Damdred and Obi? Why town?


Obi and Damdred have been asking questions and offering their ideas and they feel honest to me so far.

From your message I assumed you have played IRL mafia before, correct?

There is the TL Mafia Database that has information on others mafia games played on this site - if you want to look into peoples previous games.


When directly questioned comes up with a bullshit excuse based upon "he feels obi and damdred are town"

He then goes onto the worst of his IIoA and becomes a human library trying to throw a link out to get suspicion off himself.

He is feigning helpfulness as scum and this post also highlights my next talking point, his AtA.

AtA = appealing to authority. He is sucking up to what he views as the better players haha
he is also trying to butt in anytime the moderator is brought up

On April 20 2015 08:47 scott31337 wrote:
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On April 20 2015 08:43 cakepie wrote:
Fashionably late, checking in after late a night out and sleeping in half the day -- wasn’t expecting the game to kick off in mere hours! Catching up. Feel free to address questions to me and I’ll get to them when I’m done reading up to speed.

What do you think of LightningStrike?

And a reads list would be nice as well.

in his most recent post with a forced question about someone he has had no discussion about or analysis of (asked towards cakepie about LightningStrike) this is there because CakePie has actually been shrugging off his scum aura and shining forth in the spotlight more. He has actually become a very helpful member of town. The reason Scott is doing this is scum motivated. He wants a list of reads from Cakepie to see whether or not he should be killing him tonight. If Scott himself is lower on that list, bam, the cake is a lie. There are other explanations here including his not understanding the meta of the thread, coaching, actual analysis etc but I feel like, given his earlier posting, he is using this as AtA and judging where cake stands on the issue for negative reasons.

On April 20 2015 07:29 scott31337 wrote:
What a night! Let me catch up in the thread -

TBD picked it up a little bit, but he's still on a tight leash for now.

## Unvote

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On April 20 2015 01:30 Bill Murray wrote:
PS I'm Vanilla Townie and we need a massclaim in all likelihood. If scum don't CC power roles we will likely have around a 60% chance to win


What the hell is this BM? This is a terrible idea and you know it.

BM roles scum like 80% of the time anyway, RNG gods love him.

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On April 20 2015 06:48 Trfel wrote:
For anyone who doesn't know Bill Murray, he's quite famous.

This is a must read.


That's an excellent read - although I have before - the whole banlist is worth a read too.

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On April 20 2015 06:50 Damdred wrote:
Yeah this isn't going to be a fun game at all for me. Anyway my answers already there


Are you feeling okay - or? Sorry to hear that.

Looks like others went over BM's terrible idea already...

And here he appeals to statistics. He has the worst reaction of anyone to my trying to get some plan rolling. Town can't afford to have this sort of plan but people who are town are going to largely mull it over. Upon reading this I'm sure you all are thinking to yourself "well he's right" but in mafia it doesnt matter whether or not you are right it matters what you can get your friendly town to do with you. When someone is saying "BM rolls scum 80%" of the time to subconsciously fuck with you guys and get me lynched that's utter bullshit. Someone thats AtS along with AtA and IIoA needs to go


Lastly he was voting for TheBloodyDwarf who I completely disagree with him on. In fact I feel like he was trying to go for one of the most obvious vanilla town that is a village idiot and possibly a good mislynch

For all of those reasons I'm voting the 3rd filter I looked at, Scott.
##vote scott331331313
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 20 2015 13:56 GMT
#352
p.s. I haven't ever made a post that long as mafia.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 20 2015 14:04 GMT
#354
No, we are lynching Scott.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 20 2015 16:46 GMT
#385
@TRFEL

"But I did notice that he called Foolishness a great player for town, while mentioning that he makes really long posts. And earlier, Bill Murray scumread me because I made a long post, and long posts are bad for town. Hm."

I said foolishness makes really long posts as Vanilla Town, not merely as town.
I said your long post was null, Trfel. Why are you directly misrepresenting me constantly, over and over? It's really annoying.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 20 2015 16:47 GMT
#386
On April 21 2015 00:38 LoneMeow wrote:
Vote Count


TheBloodyDwarf (0): scott31337
scott31337 (1): Bill Murray, Bill Murray
Trfel (0): Bill Murray
cakepie (2): ObiWanShinobi, Damdred
Bill Murray (1): Onegu
Bourneq (1): Bill Murray, Trfel
plotspot (1): cakepie
Onegu (0): Bill Murray

Not voting (7): TheBloodyDwarf, scott31337, LightningStrike, LeiNadk, The Shining, Bourneq, plotspot

+ Show Spoiler [Vote counter log] +

VOTE: scott31337 voted TheBloodyDwarf (post)
VOTE: Bill Murray voted trfel (Trfel) (post)
VOTE: Onegu voted Bill Murray (post)
VOTE: scott31337 unvoted TheBloodyDwarf (post)
VOTE: Bill Murray unvoted Trfel (post)
VOTE: Bill Murray voted onegu (Onegu) (post)
VOTE: ObiWanShinobi voted cakepie (post)
VOTE: cakepie voted plotspot (post)
VOTE: Bill Murray unvoted Onegu (post)
VOTE: Bill Murray voted bourne (Bourneq) (post)
VOTE: Bill Murray unvoted Bourneq (post)
VOTE: Bill Murray voted Scott31337 (scott31337) (post)
WARNING: Bill Murray changed vote without unvote (post)
VOTE: Bill Murray unvoted scott31337 (post)
VOTE: Bill Murray voted scott331331313 (scott31337) (post)
VOTE: Damdred voted Cake (cakepie) (post)
VOTE: Trfel voted Bourneq (post)


Currently, cakepie is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in at 01:00 GMT (+00:00).

Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain.

@Mod when did i EVER unvote scott? I voted him in one post
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 20 2015 17:03 GMT
#392
@Damdred
On April 20 2015 23:53 Damdred wrote:
He reloaded the thread and took like 12 hours to actually post anything of any substance and still didn't come to any conclussions and then wasted his vote on a plylnch he never even talked about NOR PUSHED.

What analysis the one where he doesn't actually analysis anything or come to any real conclussions doesn't push any scum read or any town agenda and just plynches?

You are chainsaw defending people now. Back into the scum pile for you

you know youre missing the best point against cake, who i am leaning scum on honestly. i just really don't see why you're not calling cake out for actively lurking

On April 21 2015 00:06 Trfel wrote:
I disagree. I think you can clearly see him trying to solve the game if you read his posts.

I think you can also see Bourneq being non-committal and following thread sentiment (until after I posted my case on him), and being inconsistent with a bad explanation for the one solid read that he made.

yeah, and that's why I merely am leaning scum on him. I actually agree with Trfel on this, Damdred.

Guy was actively lurking but I don't 100% think he's scum and i'm not even sure he was actively lurking given the length of the post he made... he's claiming he was typing it when the post accusing him came about... it's possible.

On April 21 2015 00:13 Trfel wrote:
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On April 21 2015 00:06 Damdred wrote:
SHOW ME HOW HES REACHING ANY CONCLUSSIONS ABOUT THE GAME TRFEL DO IT RIGH TNOW DO IT

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On April 20 2015 17:06 cakepie wrote:
OWS, If there’s one thing that really seems out of place to me, it would be BM’s mass claim proposal / “blue hunt” -- quite simply, it doesn’t add up. I’m well aware that he has a bit of a reputation, but the situation still reeks of exceedingly weird. Hypothesize he is scum motivated? I don’t think noob game means people are dumb enough to fall for the straight up blue hunt. Town motivated? I’m pretty sure he doesn’t get any passes for not knowing the setup, or trying for “60% if no counterclaim”. Some kind of test to gauge reactions? Not apparent that is the case either. Occam’s razor would prefer obvious scum here.

Onegu mentioned “too scummy to be scum, doesnt work” [as a defense] and my NMM33 experience would tend to agree that usually too obvious scum = scum. As things stand now, if deadline was in a couple of hours and we had to consolidate already, I’d probably vote BM. It’s not a new case by any means, but that’s the strongest read I have.
This is his one solid conclusion about the game. But Damdred, you are a good player. And you are well aware that "no conclusions about the game" (even if true) doesn't necessarily make someone scum. Look at TheBloodyDwarf, he has no conclusions about the game. Lots of newbies have no conclusion about the game, and cakepie hasn't been here for very long.

Why does it matter if cakepie has no solid conclusions at this time, when he is showing a clear thought process, and he just started actually playing the game?

OHHH Trfel just appealed to your emotions here haha
+scumpoints for him

On April 21 2015 00:16 Trfel wrote:
Damdred, you have not once addressed the reasons why I suspect Bourneq.

I would like you to do so at this time, please.

ok and you havent addressed my lengthy case with 4 major points regarding scott

you are still constantly flinging shit in my direction too

You are arguing over people not having analysis (such as bloodydwarf) and namecalling them by calling them noob...

or on the flipside sucking up to damdred calling him a good player

But you aren't giving me credit where credit is due, nor are you trying to argue against the points I made

I Would dare say you didn't even read my lengthy post.

On April 21 2015 00:18 Trfel wrote:
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On April 21 2015 00:16 Damdred wrote:
Go on and call me scum trfel you keep hinting at it, obviously you think i'm scum. Then vote me you are policy lynching bor, for not so good reasons. So whatever.
You are not the lynch for today. And I'm done arguing with you, because it's getting nowhere, as you aren't willing to listen.

I will discuss with other people one they enter the thread. I would still like an answer to my above question. Thank you.

Trfel I would say the same thing about you that you are saying about Damdred here. You are trying to decide the lynch for the town today through your propaganda and misrepresentation

On April 21 2015 00:30 Trfel wrote:
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On April 21 2015 00:26 Damdred wrote:
I'm not attacking you at all he's null, your argument is just bad. I already commented on your early read which is based off a joke.

I don't see a new player being so carefree as scum in his first post and then trying to side up with bm who is another person of high interest. Especially as scum, you are try hard shrug just looks like he's being honest and you are blowing it out of proportion to fit a narrative you decided to build since game start
What about the part where I said that his earlier posting actually looked a bit good for him? And I still think that it does, just his contradiction and explanation looks really bad. I did not decide to scumread Bourneq from the start of the game, The Shining already pointed out where I said that my first argument was flawed and that it didn't make Bourneq scum at all.

He only sided with Bill Murray after I accused him of sheeping the thread sentiment, and suggested that he could be scum with Bill Murray.

Dude that's a complete Lie Trfel.
Bourne has been casting suspicion on me if anything

I don't see how he ever defended me he was just confused because my argument was confused in the firstplace and I feel like he is a newer player

I really am confused as to whether or not you just think you're good when you're not or if you are just being obtuse as scum on purpose

You really have misrepresented 3 players I can think of already Trfel which are Damdred myself and Bourne

On April 21 2015 00:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Why are you guys so allergic to policy lynches?

Policy lynches are great.

I don't like certain policy lynches but some I am completely for like if Trfel won't quit misrepresenting people or if Scott won't come off his OMGUS plus theres another policy lynch I would lean towards that I don't feel 100% on yet

There is no point Policy Lynching based upon inactivity, though. We can't afford a mislynch

if we have a multi shot vig for instance and no veteran we have 2 nights potentially before mylo/lylo

no chance im not wanting to lynch scum today bro


I'm keeping my vote on Scott

He is literally voting me only because I made a stellar case on him. Scott is guilty of IIoA, AtA, AtS, and for pushing someone who would be an easy mislynch. He is now trying to sheep off of the thread sentiment to get a swing onto me... Scott is 100% Mafia Goon I would daresay.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 20 2015 17:04 GMT
#394
btw the person i would lean towards but im not voting yet would be cake. I feel like he was actively lurking. so my bottom 3 right now if i had a gun to my head that i would want to lynch would be

Trfel
Cake
Scott

I haven't really been able to get a concrete read on everyone though because there are people with as little as 1 post, and a shit ton of people arent even voting yet
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 20 2015 17:05 GMT
#395
On April 21 2015 02:03 Onegu wrote:
##UNVOTE

Can buy he didn't read setup...

Don't like Scott's OMGUS at this point either...

I literally thought there were 7 town and 2 scum

10 town 3 scum seems heavily scum favored to me considering we have 2 power roles and they have GF and RB

So we CAN'T Afford a mislynch and I thank you for unvoting me, Onegu.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 20 2015 17:05 GMT
#396
I really don't care if I'm mislynched however.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 20 2015 17:09 GMT
#398
because the way he is playing makes me feel like that.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 20 2015 17:10 GMT
#400
and it's like 8.3333333% honestly not 33%
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 20 2015 17:10 GMT
#401
On April 21 2015 02:09 Trfel wrote:
Bill Murray is being extremely persistent. While I don't like his case on scott31337, I can see him actually believing it.

I'd really like to lynch Bourneq, but it seems that I'm the only one who would. Back to the drawing board, I suppose.

why dont you like my case on scott?
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 20 2015 17:18 GMT
#403
"dropping my vote" I see what you did there
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 20 2015 17:19 GMT
#404
In defense of my case being called "not amazing", it was a filter dive, so the context of it, in relation/regards to gameflow, wasn't there
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 20 2015 17:20 GMT
#405
8pm EST tonight voting ends so if any person not voting reads this you need to vote
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