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On April 26 2015 07:03 sandroba wrote: Hello guys. I'm happy to have finally rolled town. Looks to me we have ~ 1 and a half lynches per complete cycle based on my own HP. Seems sweet and I expect mafia/3rd party to have some powerful roles based on that. Im really intrested how you figured it is 1 and a half lynches per complete cycle based on your hp and stuff since the first cycle there is no fight promoter and the fight only causes 5 dmg to each participant. Based on the information in the OP at all and my own HP I would think that someone would have to participate in multiple fights to be killed by this mechanic add that on with no fight first day cycle just don't get how you got to 1.5 lynches per day. This being said I think I heard your very good with mechanics, where did I read this I think marv said it? So i assume you are right I just don't see how. Also hi everyone | ||
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On April 26 2015 11:34 Chezinu wrote: Are you ready to punch with brown gloves and fight for me? ##Equip Brown gloves | ||
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On April 26 2015 20:44 indignant wrote: This post feels off. The bolded paragraph in particular seems like Breshke knows that sandro is town. Why do you just assume that sandro is right if you just stated multiple reasons that indicate otherwise? I also don't really understand what's so interesting about this in general since based on sandros post it should be obvious what he is talking about (his own HP). How does the bolded seem like imt alking to him as town. Why couldn't he be right like i said and still be scum? Even if he is talking about his own HP 1.5 lynches per day means that he probably would have around 10 HP as the fight thing does 5 hp damage. He then also assumed that one person would get sent into the fight two times in a row. I just don't see how he came to the conclusion of 1.5 lynches per day with the information in the OP hence i asked for an explanation. You say its obvious what he was referring to and that was his own HP so could you explain to me how we get 1.5 lynches each complete phase? | ||
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On April 26 2015 22:15 Holyflare wrote: 1 lynch a day 1 5hp promoter a day. 1.5 lynches Duh Oh it was right in front of me this whole time | ||
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On April 26 2015 22:21 Inspector Javert wrote: Mafia: xata, SL, maybe sandro (less likely cause claimed approx. HP), some lurkers Town: damdred Why SL? | ||
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On April 26 2015 21:30 indignant wrote: By the way, if there is a cop in this game: Don't ever check me. Why not just be really townie instead of saying something that would probably make the cop more interested in you. | ||
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On April 26 2015 22:45 indignant wrote: I am not allowed to explain this in detail but I am sure you have a brain and can figure it out yourself. no I understand but obviously someone saying "cop don't investigate me" would naturally make the cop interested in said person so why not just act really townie instead. | ||
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On April 26 2015 22:59 indignant wrote: If you understand then what's the point of this interrogation? A) You ask sandro a useless question. B) You ask me a useless question. C) You keep the useless questioning up even though you claim to understand why I said what I said. It feels very much like you are just posting to be posting. I don't think the question to sandro is a useless one because if he doesnt have a proper explanation i thought it was possible he could be mafia because knowing all the mafias rols would give you a lot more information about what would happen in the night. I have since realised that is probably dumb. You have still never explained how it is obvious how he reached the conclusion that it is 1.5 lynches per night btw. I understand your reason behind it but i don't think it is a right one. It is like claiming mason some people think that you shouldnt because you are town and just should act town and the cop won't investigate you. But instead you have basically claimed that a cop investigating you would have bad consequences for the cop which doesn't really seem to be a very town sided role to begin with. Upon that if you were actually town I don't see why you are worried about this in the first place. | ||
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On April 26 2015 23:06 Xatalos wrote: Breshke: It really is a pretty pointless discussion. Instead could you say if you have actual reads so far? I'm not sure how the "you are right somehow" is scummy... Since basically any alignment could be correct on mechanics speculation so there doesn't seem to be any "scumslip" like Breshke knowing him to be town. I don't have much. The guy with the random reads list is weird but it still feels to early to say not sure why he posted it then didn't hang around to explain. Indiginant i don't really agree with the cop thing play. I like you for trying to move conversation on when not much is happening. | ||
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Its weird that he said I TMI as scum but never eally pointed to a game where it happened. He also ignored Xat explaining how it wasn't TMI which makes me think he doesn't really believe it because he isn't trying to persuade anyone. ##Vote LS I also would be happy lynching SL this game because the fake confidence irks me | ||
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On April 27 2015 19:41 Xatalos wrote: Hmm... There could be something to LS. It's true that he ignored my counter to the Breshke TMI thing and voted him anyway. His added reason of Breshke being "meh" is pretty "meh" a reason to vote in itself. he doesn't really revisit it or tell anyone to look into me when he is interacting with people later on which from what I remember is normally what LS does. To me it feels like he isn't trying to draw attention to it because he isnt confident he can push the read even though his posts directly about it seem to say otherwise. On April 27 2015 07:49 LightningStrike wrote: I was agreeing alot with JAT post on Breshke and Breshke's large post wasn't good it was just a whole bunch of nothing when I had read it. He also seems to dodge FF's question here could be unintentional | ||
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Still think LS is the way to go though what were the town things he has done that people mentioned? | ||
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On April 27 2015 21:44 LightningStrike wrote: Woke up and Breshke is voting for me :O Also I know Breshke can make better posts than he did earlier because I had played with him around 6 times and was able to catch him when he was Mafia once of the 3 times he was scum (Metal Mini, NYE Party(I shot him as Vig) and Titanic before he got replaced by Damdred) but the fact that he got his own original idea on my own alignment although wrong making me double guessing his alignment. @Xata and Breshke: Maybe talk to Damdred about me because he can read my alignment really good :O @rsoultin Are you here? I would like to speak to you! So if you didn't want to lynch me who would you rather lynch? | ||
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Someone show me where the case on me is after please. | ||
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On April 28 2015 06:40 LightningStrike wrote: You know Breshke throwing away his vote is pretty bad. did you not jsut see me say i was going to change it? Why arn't we lynching this guy people are trying to work out what wagon to push and he is worried about a single vote on him | ||
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On April 28 2015 06:47 LightningStrike wrote: Bshke been meh this entire game and he's throwing away his vote for a reason that is crap and he done as Mafia before (NYE Party he went onto me just because Bats on me) why do you jsut ignore me LS YOU THINKK IM SCUM INTERACT WITH ME I was asleep up until now i come back who fuckin knows whats going on so i sheep the person ive been readng msot town which is xatat. How am iw asting my vote??? See you sauid this and i can understand that you didnt see i changed my vote but you should of by now yet you keep saying the same thing. | ||
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I think ls reaction to the lynch seems fake. Also damdred the point how he is a meta machine is partly why I am scumreading him, The first thing which he had a problem with me about the TMI thing he did not reference at all yet mentioned it more than once. | ||
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On April 28 2015 07:27 Damdred wrote: So your scum reading him for being in his town meta basically? No im saying he didnt meta reference the TMI thing at all and didnt address it again when someone disagreed with him to show him where he was wrong. I think as scum he is much much more likely to just say something or vote for someone and not try and defend that position at all. | ||
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On April 28 2015 08:48 sicklucker wrote: Guys are we really just gonna nominate hf so they can kill are best town and are fight promoter in one go? Theres no way one of are better towns should be the fight promoter. I nominate yamato. Hes a sensible person who will listen to Hfs orders and if he does not we simply kill him. Mafia can not kill him without revealing vote info and if he is mafia who cares if he does not make the fight who we want we hang him to a tree This is surprisingly a really really good idea. | ||
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On April 28 2015 08:51 Holyflare wrote: If mafia target me they die??? You'd rather just let 2 randoms fight? Is your ability like un roleblockable or something. Someone has already flipped with a role block ability could mafia not also have a roleblocker. | ||
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On April 28 2015 08:54 batsnacks wrote: Why would HF lie about his role? Is this something he's done before or something? :^) HAHA which smurf are you? | ||
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Like i get you think that him following his own reads i townie but he didn't try to push it or ask anyone opinions on it at all really which is classic LS in my mind. | ||
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On April 28 2015 08:48 sicklucker wrote: Guys are we really just gonna nominate hf so they can kill are best town and are fight promoter in one go? Theres no way one of are better towns should be the fight promoter. I nominate yamato. Hes a sensible person who will listen to Hfs orders and if he does not we simply kill him. Mafia can not kill him without revealing vote info and if he is mafia who cares if he does not make the fight who we want we hang him to a tree Like I really don't ever see a scum Sl posting this when he seems to be worried about establishing his innocence which he has also done this game but this is a gem. This is really insightful especially if he actually didn't understand HF's role. | ||
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For one scum might want to kill you anyway for how hard you campaigned for sandrobas lynch so giving them extra incentive even thought it results in one of their deaths seems wrong as they just get more benefit for actually putting kp on you. Secondly if they weren't planning on killing you but you being the fight promoter would make them want to would it not then be better to give the fight promoter to someone like yamato or another townread maybe one you are less sure of as we can just get them to pick the fight you want and we don't give scum the extra incentive to kill you | ||
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On April 28 2015 10:32 Fecalfeast wrote: Uh, how does losing yamato, who hasn't claimed to be a hazard for scum, benefit us? If they kill yamato as the fight promoter we still lose the fight don't we? I don't understand the idea here. If HF is lying scum still has to take the gamble and shoot... Do we actually even know how the scum KP works? Yamato was probably a bad example since he is msot likely town. I should have thought of someone before suggesting this but the diea was give it to one of the townier question marks and then if they are killed we still lose the fight but we remove a question mark. I see it as kind of directing scums night kills? Also i kinnda assumed scum kp would just be outright not based on HP since lynches are outright kills. Could be wrong | ||
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On April 28 2015 10:34 Fecalfeast wrote: IDK maybe I'm not looking at this from all possible angles but isn't taking the chance on a pgo always a dumb idea? If mafia has ANY investigative roles wouldn't they just use it on HF instead? I think that HF is actually the best bet for promoter regardless of the validity of his pgo claim. Any gamble/indecision scum has to go through is good. I guess they could also have some kind of RB as well.... Give me a second I need to work this out I think if they use any action on HF and he is a PGO they would get shot so i think they put kp on him or they leave him alone entirely | ||
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On April 28 2015 10:36 Fecalfeast wrote: Ohhh so it is a WIFOM bomb, we're just trying to have it explode in the direction of scum. I get it doesn't really pay off unless they kill the person we have as fight promoter but even if they don't I assume we can still get the fight we want | ||
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On April 28 2015 10:39 Fecalfeast wrote: Ok true. It gives town more control over NKs, sure, I can see that. I still think the optimal WIFOM play will be to leave the promoter untouched and try to paint them as scum for being alive. I can see how they might try this but I doubt it would work especially since we have talked about it ahead of time. | ||
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On April 28 2015 10:41 Holyflare wrote: I don't see any downside to me being promoter and mafia dying I see many downsides to other plans Ill stop pushing this and just default to you as im assuming I don't have all the information | ||
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On April 28 2015 10:56 LightningStrike wrote: Vivax for certain with the way Vivax tried to sway the wagon to Yamato like that after Sandroba flipping scum. The 2nd I will trust HF's judgement because apparently I terrible :O Do you not think I am mafia anymore? | ||
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On April 28 2015 04:34 LightningStrike wrote: Honestly Yamato didn't do jack shit at all I think he got a good shot at being Mafia. I switching to him now. ##Unvote ##Vote: Yamato777 Was there any other reasons than this that you voted yamato over sandroba? | ||
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On April 28 2015 11:28 LightningStrike wrote: With the way the votes were going and seeing Sandroba flip scum and how Vivax tried to get people off of Sandroba to Yamato pretty much confirms Yamato as town at least in my mind I know it might be faulty logic but why would scum!Vivax move votes from scum!Sandroba to scum!Yamato in that situation? what if vivax is town and just really thought yamato was mafia and sandroba mafia. You voted for yamato so you must have thought this at one point | ||
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On April 28 2015 11:32 LightningStrike wrote: If Vivax is town he changed his meta way to dramatically from the last I had played with him. In what ways. What do you think his old meta was and how do you think it has changed? | ||
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It is quite strange you would think that mafia not having outright kills would have somewhere upwards of 15 damage since from what ive seen this is kind of an average health maybe? It is also possible they have ways to interfere with who gets put into the fight but I assume if they had these roles town would also. About vivax On April 28 2015 06:45 Vivax wrote: LS, Breshke soft claimed a role so no way I'm lynching him today, same with SL I remember seeing this from him which was weird sicne i assumed everyone had a role. Seemed an odd reason to take people off the table. | ||
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On April 29 2015 08:14 sicklucker wrote: maybe rsoulin got her nk blocked? Altho I think town lost there rber so not gonna have another 1 acualy In a game where seemingly everyone has a role I think it is possible for two town roleblocks maybe? I would think it wouldn't be unlikely. | ||
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On April 29 2015 08:47 marvellosity wrote: unless there's redirects/buses, this very much implies that if they don't, the town who dealt them the damage will know they are hiding it no but i mean like even fake claim damage. I assume towns capabilites for damage in the night would be far less than scum if it is scums main kill mechanic. Therefore most of the damage would be put onto town players especially the higher numbers. | ||
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On April 29 2015 09:01 marvellosity wrote: the problem with fakeclaiming any significant amount of damage is that at a later point at the game it becomes kinda weird that you're not hit again/dying Guess this is true as they would have to also either convince people to heal them or another person would have to fake claim a heal. | ||
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Any opinions on LS? I kinda like him more after interacting with him for a bit. | ||
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On April 29 2015 12:07 Chezinu wrote: You had a visitor last night. Did you give him your membership card? I had no such visitor | ||
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Before you ask I dont think sepu lied about his role even though i believe him to be scum | ||
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On April 29 20 5 17:32 Fecalfeast wrote: So put sepu in the fight is what you're saying? Yess | ||
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On April 29 2015 17:51 sicklucker wrote: But why would you believe scum for face value? Because it is easier to say your actual role than to make up a fake one. Also I don't see what he would gain as scum by claiming that role. Like why would he want to put in the fights. Before you say it if you say he wants to be in the fights so we shouldn't let him then the same question applies why do you believe him when he says he wants to be in the fights. | ||
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I only chose the correct lynch on mafia as my #2 option for the lynch and not #1. Until Breshke flips it can be argued that I made a mistake, which is not something characterized by mafia who are trying to be holier than thou to gain town credit. So with the correctness thing out of the picture there is very little left in Vivax' scumread on me. At best his accusation is some sort of a tone read I suppose? This paragraph doesn't really make sense. So you are saying vivax is wrong about your posts being clean (meaning they were right?) because I'm town? You seem to have also dropped interest in pushing me is there a reason I don't really think I have improved my play at all. | ||
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On April 29 2015 18:21 sicklucker wrote: Another role could be "take no dmg in a fight" If the scum team is who im thinking there mostly near the bottom so he would save his team mates used your imagination. If you think someones scummy dont do what they ask you in a crazy mishmash where everyone has some random role and goal. right so you are saying we should make two town fight and take damage? | ||
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On April 29 2015 18:27 Chezinu wrote: YOU DIDN'T SHOW YOUR MEMBERSHIP CARD!!!!!!! OR MY CAMERAS FAILED TO RECORD IT. YOU ARE NOT APART OF MY GYM!!!!! I own no such membership I was only there for a trial | ||
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I assume you know about how some people have the passive ability thing of being part of that gym (SL, Chez and i think JAT? maybe it was HF) | ||
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##Vote vivax | ||
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On April 29 2015 18:25 Breshke wrote: Jean do you think im town now or something? This paragraph doesn't really make sense. So you are saying vivax is wrong about your posts being clean (meaning they were right?) because I'm town? You seem to have also dropped interest in pushing me is there a reason I don't really think I have improved my play at all. Rso did you see this is this paragraph from jean read as weird to you as it dos to me. If you need context i can post the entirety of the post it was posted in if you can't find it. | ||
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I can change ome of the fighters. I was thinking swap hf and vivax | ||
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On April 30 2015 07:24 Inspector Javert wrote: So what mafia has some ability that changes who BOTH fighters are? That's dumb. Why is fighting even a game mechanic if that's the case? Its probs a one time thing tbh | ||
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So i assume from HFs reaction him taking any amount of damage is bad so i should swap shining in and take hf out. To be devils advocate, if shining is lieing fight will still happen hence leaving marv in and taking hf out. Also it could be very possible my ability will fail if shining can not fight and then the marv and hf fight would happen. | ||
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This feels like an easy way to make the decision | ||
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On April 30 2015 12:12 LightningStrike wrote: No I can force people who were voting with me vote with me for a day. Wtf. maybe you should vote a different wagon to everyone else | ||
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So if we arnt lynching LS I think he should deffinetly be voting someone noone else is voting | ||
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On April 30 2015 17:51 marvellosity wrote: LYNCH ALL THE PEOPLE 3p survivor claim | ||
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Slam was part of the gym but his thing still said he won with town | ||
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Or if you don't want that even myself because the chances of scum wanting to kill me are extremely low. | ||
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On May 01 2015 08:32 Chezinu wrote: says the nonmember... I just wanted it to be real.... WHY YOU HAVE TO LOGICS!!! All I wanted was to equip brown gloves and train at the gym but the gym didn't want me and has voted me every night so now ive turned to gym of logics | ||
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On May 01 2015 08:37 Chezinu wrote: ##GOGO MAGIC POWERS!! I hearby grant Breshke the ability to "##PUNCH <insert player>" Now Breshke, do it!!! The gym of loggic is telling me this may be a bad idea | ||
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Bats showuld make vivax and sep fight tonight which would make them take 3 damage. Then we make vivax fight sep tomorrow. I can make sep do 2 more damage so vivax will take 10 damage in total without taking into account seps extra damage. If anyone else can deal damage to vivax tonight we can probably kill him or come very close without having to lynch him. If anything goes wrong obi can just cancel the fight. This was wecan try get two lynches | ||
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If shining is placed in the fight the fight is cancelled. so if you put him to.the top of the list and mafia fucks with who we choose could you not cancel the fight by causing the top (shining) and bottom player to fight. We woukd get two lynches if we can deal enough danage to vivax from the fight so he would die. I explained how we can deal 10 then sepu will apperntly add onto that a certain amount lets say at least two so we need maybe 5 more damage to kill him which i am hoping can come from ppls night actions and/or day actions on the fighters | ||
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No town should be doing anything that would cause them to be in the number one slot over shining I think | ||
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Who sent me a present? | ||
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On May 02 2015 08:35 The Shining wrote: Marv couldn't move player list. I think Obi said he could move people up, which can be confirmed by me being on top now. But yeah, obi/IJ roles are confirmed, just not alignment indicative. I'm not sure Breshkes is, either? I mean yeah he put me into a fight to cancel it(the Marv v HF d1) but that could've just been to earn some town credit. Objectively, scum would have no problem replacing town in a fight with another town. Best case? Town still gets dmgd. Worst case? Fight gets canceled and I get confirmed as girl/tracker/watcher AKA priority target while scum looks good for obliging. Had you posted your thing on FF. If i was scum i woulf have known you were a tracker/watcher. Also considering the fight was marv/hf you dont think a scum would want to cancel that since they obviously used an ability to.cause it. My ability was also silent so if i was scum i think you could say id save it to pyt either marv or hf into the fight again today effectivly killing them. Also that would be such a selfish play to grab some town credit. Also jean most likely greened me with how the scumread on me was dropped and her basicslly saying in a post she was wrong on me. | ||
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I think like a sep chez or a sep obi fight would be best today | ||
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On April 09 2015 04:57 Onegu wrote: Game Specific Rules Each Player has a certain number of HP. If your HP reaches 0 or lower after action resolution you die. The Player list is important. Actions will be resolved by going from the bottom of the player list up. If you take damage and are healed, the healing takes place AFTER damage unless otherwise stated. IE. You take damage to go to -1 and are healed 3HP you stay in the game at 2HP. Each night you must vote for a Fight Promoter. If the fight Promoter is knocked out the night he is elected then no fight is made. The Fight Promoter chooses two players to fight during the day, each player takes 5 damage at EOD. Some players have abilities to change this amount of damage. There is also a normal lynch during the day. There are 3p in the game, you don't know how many or what types. Town wins where there are no mafia or anti-town 3p left alive Mafia win when they equal the same number of town or nothing can prevent this and all anti-scum 3p are no longer alive 3p Win when they reach their win condition, when reached they may or may not be removed from the game I think there is deffs at least 1 3p given the wording of this | ||
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On May 02 2015 15:17 rsoultin wrote: meh i already said? lynching + fight seems like waste of resources if the fight can't be changed then there's nothing for it, i guess, just really not the best way to go about it @.@ What would you rather happen? | ||
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He is very resilient | ||
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Other than my recent lack of activity do you think I am scum for anything else damdred? I don't think damdred is scum here. if we are going to believe vivax will flip scum then damdred pressuring/casing ff or whatever would be extremely selfish since his team would have already been in a shit position so I don't think he would go for that bus. | ||
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On May 03 2015 13:19 rsoultin wrote: pretty sure shining and i are real...marv is obviously real...who was the fourth? ^^; i'm losing track of all the claims tbh Jean who has already flipped | ||
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Fairly sure rso cant die this night and if shsing dies we apprently still egt his tracks which are less useful but with 2 and probably 3 mafia dead at the end of the phase all mafia are probably visiting people. | ||
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On May 03 2015 14:29 Damdred wrote: Itss not a bad plan, I'm pretty sure though that his hp is between 15-17. Before we had more information about the amateurs fight he said he would die doing both so at most can take 8 hp dmg, the fight will give him 5. So we have at most 3 dmg to do, so if RS could use his herb on me to kill him perhaps or idk. Or I could try to block another kp or something tonight meh this sounds about right. Btw I have this Ginko Baloba which does People who fight or punch during the day or night deal 1 additional damage this lasts this night and the next day then wears off. No idea who gave it to me thought it was SL he didn't really react when i asked though. Probs not good for what we are trying to do though so ill just hold it don't really see when ill ever use it though | ||
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On May 03 2015 15:18 rsoultin wrote: xP hmmm i thought sl was doing a thing maybe he's not though given this claim that was the herb he said he gave to me (hint: not the herb i received) so :/ I don't think you should mention your herb. | ||
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I didn't use it, I still have it. | ||
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I only got it at the start of D2 so there is that. Also the fact that jean msot likely greened me probably means I wouldn't mislead you like this. | ||
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On May 04 2015 09:58 The Shining wrote: It doesn't explain the herbs RSo and Breshke got though. Nor how JAT was healed by the herb FF was given by SL | ||
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On May 04 2015 11:04 Inspector Javert wrote: I felt like doing the amateur fights first and I have a ton of HP/wasn't worried about getting lynched at any point so I saved it. What did stutters do that was stupid? Did like 15 damage to town | ||
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Then lets just let him keep on keepin on. So what's the reason for voting JAT fight promoter | ||
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On May 04 2015 22:07 Inspector Javert wrote: Also I'm using my ultimate one shot ability tonight that probably ends the game in town victory so if mafia does have some kind of straight KP or 30 damage knockout punch they're probably using it on me. sounds resonable | ||
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On May 05 2015 10:12 Damdred wrote: Tinfoil says xata is the hidden Scum honestly. But anyway, rs had 10 dmg needing to be done so had to use 2 6kp shots on him. Dam takes 3 Shining took 6. Yamato took 2. Is that all the dmg the thing is im like 95% certain rso had one of sl's herbs and if she used it it reduced like all damage by 50% im not sure why she wouldn't have used it. | ||
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On May 05 2015 11:54 LightningStrike wrote: Breshke as much you might hate this but that was my only power. If you want to go by flavor I david Eagle and Olympian who was well respected and humble in the anime. mmmm thats just so absurd that that would be your only power. Like it is possible yet I don't see you complaining anywhere that your role is weak or anything. A one time vote steal on a player that had to vote with your previously it just doesn't sound right. | ||
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Like even compare it to your supossed role. You can move players in the playerlist and change the fight. Ls can change ONE persons vote ONE time | ||
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On May 05 2015 12:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I can't change the fight. I can arrange a fight between the top and bottom players of the list. My power sucks ass too lmao. It has the possibility of being super antitown. Does your fight not replace the fight chosen by the promoter? | ||
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Your right that does suck it is totally not what i thought it was. I get now why you didn't understand how to cancel the fight. Also if shouldnt chez have taken damage if he targeted HF with anything. Therefore i believe hf being removed had nothing to do with chez. | ||
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On May 05 2015 12:58 Damdred wrote: To build on this, what you are saying doesn't really matter as, 1) Rsoultin would eat my roleblock and ate 2 damage that just so happens to be the damage I dealt instead of 3 from vivax. (if this is the case its highly unlikely that a medic would go after vivax in any case so no healing damage). 2) Night two is a bit more of a weird scenario, the only thing that makes any sense was that Rsoultin benefited from some form of healing. Its also interesting that stutters has a redirect ability. Would correlate with him either being mafia or scum having a role like that themselves. It also suggests that Yamato is very likely lazy town in this case. This might be annoying but i don't follow how this suggests yamato is very likely town could you explain it for me please | ||
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On May 05 2015 13:13 Chezinu wrote: So guys... I kind of trolled checked HF last night. Let me ask you guys this question, if you were mafia and had a choice between the 3 items below, which would you chose? If you were town, which one? 3P? A Gym Radio A bottle with a picture of a flexing gun on it A letter addressed to MOM I believe HF did not pick the pure mafia item. I do believe he picked the + Show Spoiler + troll item GUY THIS IS IMPORTANT. Please answer truthfully. This will reveal hidden motives. I pick the brown gloves | ||
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On May 05 2015 13:14 Breshke wrote: This might be annoying but i don't follow how this suggests yamato is very likely town could you explain it for me please nvm its cos you roleblocked him right? | ||
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On May 05 2015 13:16 Damdred wrote: Well I honestly think I can block all actions in at the bottom of the plist so I act first and I blocked Yamato all kp went through seemingly so it would suggest I blocked no scum kp Yeah this makes sense. It would be dumb ig their like factional kp couldn't be blocked right that deffs isnt a world? I'm assuming you do not want to kill yamato anymore because of this? HF seemed fairly set on it and yes it would be hard coming into a 200 plus page game but yamato hasn't really done anything. Not that ive done much either. | ||
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On May 05 2015 21:30 indignant wrote: To explain: if you thought Obi could change the main fight why did you never scream for his lynch? Plenty of reason to do so in that case. The chezinu part is just stupid. Why would chezinu claim this if he didn't do it? Why? I could change the fight should I have been lynched? There was also the stipulation that he had to make the top and bottom on the player list fight. Why wouldn't chezinu claim it? Shits and giggles i assume | ||
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On May 05 2015 21:54 indignant wrote: Because 1) Obi did not change the fight or offer to do so when marv and hf were chosen. Because the fight was changed to them in the first place. Etc. About chezinu: because there probably is a reason for hf disappearing? If he doesn't return (how does chezinu know this if he didn't do it?) we lynch chez. If someone else claims responsibility we lynch chez. I see what you are saying but I said I could swap someone Out fairly quickly iirc so there wouldn't have been much point in him revealing his ability at the time. I also see what your saying about the chez thing and your right it's just odd that he didn't take damage from pgo | ||
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On May 06 2015 08:29 Damdred wrote: N1: HF takes 6 damage (factional kp assumption) FF is tracked to Xatalos and Rsoultin (rolecheck possible on Rsoultin) Rsoultin is hit for 2 dmg and Roleblocked (Matches up to my ability and not Vivax roleblock) Xatalos is hit for 12 Dmg Indignant is hit for 12 dmg Marv is hit for 7 Dmg Vivax claims 2 dmg and roleblocked (Damdred claims this block) D2: Jat is healed by FF for an unspecified amount FF is flipped JAT takes 3 random dmg at eod N2: Rsoultin Is Roleblocked and takes 0 dmg (?) Sepu takes 2 dmg and Roleblock (Damdred claims dmg) Stutters redirects dmg from HF PGO to Sepu for 6-7 (?) HF claims dmg is missing. HF takes 8 dmg (Stutters claims) JAT receives 6 Dmg Breshke receives dmg Shining receives 6 dmg Marv receives 12 dmg (?) (Marv Dies) D3: Vivax is flipped roleblocker Sepu faints mysteriously Shining takes 3 dmg randomly eod N3: HF disappears from game Damdred takes 3 dmg Rsoultin takes at least 10 dmg (?) Shining takes at least 3 dmg Lightninstrike takes 1 dmg Yamato Roleblocked and takes 2 dmg Actually I take back what I said about stutters st this point I just got my spreadsheet and I think it partially clears him. I corrected it and put in the correct Marv dmg. I want to point something out though. N1- 5 Mafia Faction don N2- 4 Mafia Faction done N3- 2 Mafia Faction accounted for The pattern is off. We are either missing a mafia KP or we are missing a third party action. We should lynch Yamato today This is really fucking useful thanks for doing this damdred. About the sepu feinting mysteriously he had 17 HP. Took like 9 N2 thats left with 8. Would have taken 5 from the fight so there's 3 damage missing on him somewhere. Either mafia has something to increase fight damage which wouldnt be suprising because I have that ability. Or it being the magic number of three it could have something to do with bats thing? But that would mean his amatuer fight did go through and he would be lieing. It is also very possible he got hit by vivax's death punch. | ||
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On April 29 2015 22:55 LightningStrike wrote: I would think Shining he fallen off hard I used to him posting more as Town than scum (He only played scum once in Student V) his content doesn't seemed anything special at least rereading his filter. Also Stutters his content was mostly 1 liners and his longer posts is him just gving his opinion on stuff. To this On April 30 2015 02:32 LightningStrike wrote: Well done Shining well done we now got scum confiormed by Mechnics! ##Unvote ##Vote: Fecalfeast | ||
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On May 06 2015 14:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Shining claimed a track/check on FF. That might warrant the change in read. Yeah but he just instantly believes him after from what i could tell he was one of his two top scum reads | ||
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On May 06 2015 14:09 Damdred wrote: Idk if I see the same thing there, its difficult to fight against someone claiming a red check. Anyway I'm also hypothesizing that Marv got hit with vivax low blow for 4 and someone else hit him for 3 and that's why he got put in the fight. That's a good point. Looking at your damage list the 2 damage on me is really out there aswell like it doesn't seem to repeat so im going to assume it is either a role check or something similar. | ||
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On May 06 2015 14:10 Damdred wrote: To be fair I got my pm about getting dmgd like 15-20 minutes after day post. okay noted. Probs rather lynch yamato then. | ||
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On May 06 2015 14:36 Damdred wrote: Breshke, can you confirm the night marv died you received a package? No. The only thing i have recieved this game was a herb from SL and that was N2. | ||
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If i use this on obi LS health goes down to 6 (if he is telling the truth) which seems to be a magic number for scum kp so its probably a bad diea. The only good thing to come oput of this is that we could then kill him next phase with another fight and me increasing damage again. Idk how much health obi has left but if he takes I think that brings him up to like 12 damage taken which is also in range of scum kp. Whereas if i don't make him take more he would have taken 10 which may not make him in range of scum kp. Basically I don't think ill use my ability again | ||
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I could be wrong but i think the logic is that since actions happen from bottom of the list up that he mightve got roleblocked? That is the only thing I can think of. | ||
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On May 06 2015 20:39 Breshke wrote: I could be wrong but i think the logic is that since actions happen from bottom of the list up that he mightve got roleblocked? That is the only thing I can think of. nevermind it makes no sense because he would still be roleblocked later anyway. Didn't damdred retract that later anyway? | ||
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That leaves me with LS, stutters and obi I think. Idk what to think about stutter like I could understand him using his powers the way he did as town like the thought process of him trying to redirect the pgo thing which he though was an insta kill would have been an alright idea. On top of that the fact that a mafia with a liver punch ability flipped so i think? That probably means he didn't redirect damdys liver punch LS says he has 9 health so we can kill him if dandy role blocks him then I use my thing it'll be exactly 9. This is assuming he didn't lie about how much health he had. The same can probably be said about obi since without any outside interference he should have taken 11 damage so far from fights so another fight with amped damage would finish him off aswell. Also damdred I didn't use my thing because it keeps them outside of mafia KP range but what I think is inside town KP range | ||
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really doesn't look good. LS also tries to get people voting me while the main wagons are sandro and yama aswell. I'm happy with both of these people dieing and hopefully can pull it off next day phase. I also found this from SL On April 28 2015 04:41 sicklucker wrote: We just knock out breske with are powers tonight. You never lynch breske when hes mafia you vig him so this ways more funny This was in response to people talking about switching to me from sandro and yama. While it is a joke it feels like an absurd thing to say if he is scum since it would be his two scum mates up for lynch. | ||
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On May 07 2015 18:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Being wrong is not a scumtell. Also kind of glad I didn't completely embarrass myself last night. But its the way you did it you never tried to actually get me lynched you just said that the case on me was good and that you had to go and look back on the case on me eyt nothing came of it it was just like you were trying to sound out if the lynch was going to happen or not. | ||
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On May 07 2015 21:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote: So I'm scum because I didn't actually try to get you lynched over mafia? You're weird. Yes because you said you didn't think their wagons were good and said that the case on me was good and never did anything with it. | ||
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Damdred who did you rb? I think we should risk the triple lynch today and even if we don't should deffs go for the double lynch. I could even use that herb which makes people take 1 more damage for this day/night cycle but that does include damage from mafia abilities im fairly sure. | ||
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Ls has 8 hp left so i increase the damage he takes by two and use the herb so thats 8. Then obi will take another 6 damage and that means he has taken 1 damage which should kill him in MOST cases. So we are free to try and lynch someone else and just lynch one of those two if they dont die next phase. I feel like the only way we actually lose this game is if hf is third party with a win condition that isn't with town but I don't really see that | ||
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On May 08 2015 08:25 LightningStrike wrote: I sounding like a Broken recording but bats he looked the scummiest out of all the others outside of obi and assuming Chez is 3rd Party HF Town JAT Town Me Town and Xata Town. Bats throwing his vote away and also Mafia most likely got a Mafia Fighter Promoter type role and Bats is the only one who claimed that type of role. I also had listed my reasons here in this quote too: Obi claimed to be able to make a fight aswell though and it isn't really throwing your vote away when the lynch is set. | ||
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if mafia didn't hit hit hf with damage what did? It could only be a backlash from chez's ability | ||
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On May 08 2015 11:45 sicklucker wrote: yes its a potential scum role tbh hes the main rival of the protaganist. But pretty much everyones a good guy in that show so im not sure. I expect your powers to be really strong tho. Have you ever fully explain them? in the manga hes known as a "counter puncher" so thats obviously your ability here But do you like not understand that of the 4 main character 1 has flipped scum? That means the other two remaining are almost certainly gonna be town because THEY ARE TOWN AND THERES NO REASON TO MAKE THEM NOT TOWN WHEN THEY ALREADY MADE 1 OF THEM A VILLIAN TO BALANCE IT. If nothing else aiko and my role are bascily two pees in a pod so they are likely to be the same role for that readon SL obviously the person who has the name your asking for isn't going to claim. Drop it | ||
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I think the game ends after killing chez stutter obi Ls or at least mafia will be dead | ||
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On May 09 2015 12:13 Damdred wrote: I'm just talking and I wish jat could talk more but maybe someone will talk with me. I kinda think that someone is lying about damage from n1. N2 We have 4 kp accounted for, n3 we had 2 due to me blocking Yamato, we don't know what I ended up blocking because of xatas counter which I hope he explains more soonish. N1 however I blocked vivax and we still had 5 kp accounted for 2 on xata 2 on hat 1 on hf. The idea I'm using is that we are working against a 5 man mafia team and a antitown SK. We might have other 3rd parties il not sure. n1 suggests if we believe all the dmg suggests either a 6 man scum team or a 5 man scum team and 2 third party big hitters. I kind of think someone lied about dmg meh... So break N1 down for me. From what we have we can assume there was 1 factional kp on HF, 2 on Xata (at least 1 is most likely confirmed because of shinings track onto FF) 2 on JAT and then theres random damage on marv which probs isnt factional kp but that 4 dmg thing plus other dmg because mafia was most likely setting it up for him to go in the fight. So thats 5 factional with an outside chance of 6 right? We lynch one so N2 it goes down to 4 which makes sense. N3 it goes down to two probably because of your RB on yamato which makes sense again. Except the damage on yourself and shining had we found a probable reason for that? Where do you think someone lied about damage? | ||
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Low Blow: deal 4 damage to a player. and if they fight the next day they deal 2 less damage and take 2 more damage. on marv so marvs damage is still unaccounted for if it isnt factional kp. Or would the order of the playerlist allowed that to go through if you were above him? | ||
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On May 09 2015 14:46 Damdred wrote: I was last on the player list. There's lots of ways Marv could of taken that dmg, more than likely they bunched up all the small pimches they had on him but it couldn't have been any of vivaxes stuff. and the only other fli[[ed mafia with damage abilities was yamato and it is very likely his liver punch was put on rso since she took 2 dmg and a roleblock. So it would have to be the unflipped mafia/3p that are respondible for this or it is actually factional KP. That paragraph might be useless but i thought its interesting. | ||
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On May 09 2015 19:31 Holyflare wrote: I don't particularly think any of those people are mafia though? They have 1-2 people left and at least one of them has the ability to switch fights around, stutters has dmg'd me and bus driven me, chez has done some weird shit giving people towels and radios and sending me to see my mother and that just leaves bats and obi, I mean, if you want to hedge your bets it's probably best to kill 2 of them at once since bats claimed 30 hp or something entirely ridiculous but in terms of powers obi has been moving into some weird shit places and people have been taking dmg and we've never seen his power go off and he's been generally underwhelming. I really don't see how obi goes from the last newbie game where he was flaming people and telling them to play and getting all annoyed at people not particularly doing things and being all pro town to this games obi unless he's genuinely uninterested and mafia/3p. I guess you could make the argument for bats not using powers too but he's done some stubborn shit like putting people into fights that he thought were best instead of listening to people and meh I got this far and realised he hasn't really done much either  basically i may have actually taken kp which means 2 kp happened yesterday and bats was rb'd so meh? im not arguing that obi should die, if he doesn't die from the fight im happy to lynch him tomorrow. From my own ability and the way it worked if the fight was going to be changed it would have been notified 12 hours before the deadline which has already passed so i don't believe that will happen. Can you explain the stutters bus driving thing does the damage add up did that ever get resolved? Could he not of just used an 8 damage ability on you and the damage on sep was factional because that would bring it up to 5 factional kp for N2 after lynching one mafia. Which would make sense if damdred blocked mafia KP N1 and they had 6 kp that night. | ||
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On May 09 2015 19:57 Holyflare wrote: sep was crazy scummy that night? don't think mafia would have used kp on him at all??? didn't he claim cop in the day phase? it doesn't add up at all anyway, the missing dmg is only 1 or 2 and loads of people keep seemingly taking 1 or 2 little bits of dmg for no reason Mmm I don't remember/wasn't in touch with the game as much as i should have been so idk but from what i remember even if he was scummy we were going to be putting him into fights because he said he was a heavy hitter so I could say mafia could have put kp on him because they ddin't want us to utilize his extra damage. I realize im grasping here though. On May 09 2015 20:01 Holyflare wrote: ^ the most relevant part the stuff about the fight changing was that it got changed on day 2 into me and marv so mafia have that power (maybe 3p? but unlikely since mafia should have one of those powers if town does?) and the other people you mentioned had powers that weren't particularly relevant to fight changing, bus drivers/item vendor thing I don't really want to lynch bats either he is on the bottom of that lynch list for me. | ||
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On May 09 2015 20:20 Holyflare wrote: Well like... Do you agree or disagree with what I said about the powers then? :o obi is ultimately the best lynch imo since there could be variables that we don't know about if he's mafia in a fight Like what variable of he doesn't die we kill him tomorrow. He has already been in a fight it can't be that bad. I disagree with the powers thing because stutters could easily be mafia and he never actually bussed the damage he just used an ability on you that does 8 dmg then the mafia used factional kp to damage sep. Also I don't get your play anymore since if sep did bus your PGO power it didn't actually do that much damage when you made it sound like it would do enough to kill. Ultimately this doesn't really matter though im just of the mind that we should see if obi dies in the fights because if he does we get an extra kill this phase and if he doesn't we can just lynch him tomorrow with damdred RBing him in the night | ||
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On May 09 2015 20:57 Holyflare wrote: You can't just say that you were "out of touch with the game" and then make bold statements like stutters was lying about the dmg and to cover that elaborate lie he used mafia kp on the guy absolutely everyone was scum reading before he claimed cop as well as 8 dmg on me when all he knew was that he could potentially die. That's just crazy irrational. Yeh, hedging your bets and saying we can do all that stuff to obi tomorrow is fine. I'm just wanting the cool play of lynching mafia every day for a million days straight  Bats, however, is not that great of a lynch if there's potentially 2 mafia kp floating around today. Chez... I don't really know. Seems towny for power intentions but powers seem scummy as hell. Make someone leave game, give kp and die, anonymous qt? Also gave sl ability to quit game too. Seems pretty anti town at least and arguably better than a bats lynch. yeah its out there but if there is still mafia left after obi and LS die im saying i most likely think it is stutters. I agree on bats and idk wtf to think about chez I don't really see him being mafia though 3p if anything he is having too much fun for him to be on a team that is seemingly getting rolled. That's why i'll be voting for stutters but I'm really not fussed if we lynch obi instead. I'll probably end up voting for whoever JAT votes for because he wouldn't be able to change his vote and probs safer to all be on the same wagon. | ||
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On May 10 2015 07:20 Damdred wrote: Xata, do you have any other abilities besides the counter? Breshke did you have to make the decision to use all that befor a certain point? did ls not make you second guess yourself/ Yes Cutoff was 12 hours before deadline if it was this morning I probably wouldn't have done it and just let it played out again. There was also something you said last phase about me not using my ability even though I was scum reading him and that was really like yeah why don't I just kill him but I honestly regret it right now. | ||
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Inspector Javert - Could be scum/3p Chezinu - Could be scum/3p sicklucker - Could be 3p, I don't really think it is possible for him to be scum because looking at his herbs list I don't see how if he was scum he wouldn't jsut give them all to scummates since he already gave one to FF. I say he could be thrid party but it seems kind of out there since he obviously has this present giving like ability so if he is just meant to outlast everyone I don't see how we would ever catch him like ehh very very likely town. Holyflare - could be 3p. something doesn't really add up for his early play when he first wanted fight prometer and said he would trade one for one with mafia yet when stutters redirected the damage of his pgo thing it only came out to be like damage which HF would know there isn't enough to kill someone since he obviously has more than 8 hp himself since stutters hit him for 8. Xatalos - could be 3p. Scum go tracked to delivering kp to him which is like 99% sure so very very very unlikely he is scum. Damdred - TOWN. Has very very likely roleblocked scum KP multiple times dont really see how he could be 3p How are you even ment to catch 3p roles? I legit don't get it don't they just play the same as town. Like xata if he is third party either took a massive risk with mafia killing him because he has been townie most of the game but maybe he thought his ability would protect him enough idk whereas HF had his PGO dont target me thing which would be a good cover. So yeah TOWN Damdred SL Xata (3p?) HF(3p?) Scum/3p Bats Chez I don't even really have reasons for bats/chez being scum other than PoE. | ||
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On May 10 2015 05:20 indignant wrote: Why are you lying? He did not do that - I asked him. Also this feels like it needs answering HF | ||
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On May 10 2015 15:49 Damdred wrote: Like we lynch bats tommorow I think. He admits to visiting xata n1 when his fights are daytime abilities, his amateur fights ended and suddenly 3 dmg stops going out to the most towny people eod. I think he's scum in this scenario. I'm thinking id probably rather lynch bats over chez aswell. Is it possible that we have killed all the mafia already and only have 3 p left? Also if we lose after this night phase im going to apologize in advance for killing LS | ||
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On April 28 2015 04:41 Holyflare wrote: that's the thing about breshke with your case, he's just "meh" but i don't know if i can conclude that he's mafia like you do without some more time sandroba is arguably the better vote, yamato even too On April 28 2015 06:21 Holyflare wrote: Voting sandroba, suggest you guys do the same. How can someone read a thread in 30 seconds and say my reads are fabricated? Hint: they can't at all Sl please theres a bunch like this if HF is scum which i doubt (if anything he is 3p) he didn't keep his options open D1 | ||
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On May 10 2015 16:35 sicklucker wrote: All hf has to do was submit him and marv. 5 damage is not that important. You could be his partner and you would both look townie for this. He could be independent and not care about the 5 dmg. He could be resistant to fight dmg. Hf REALLY REALLY wanted to be the fight promoter just saying. He had ambitions. So you think he was convicned on bussing yamato AND sandroba on D1. Even vivax aswell. He even said lynching me was shitter than lynching yama and sandroba. This is part of the reason why I think he couldnt be scum but he could be 3p. All this fight stuff could be done if he was 3p yes. | ||
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On May 10 2015 16:42 sicklucker wrote: I remember him pushing sandro. And he was very resistant to acualy vote sandro and I felt he was keeping his opttiions open. I dont totally believe this yet just theorizing. I really have no one better to lynch atm Show me where he was hesitant to vote sandro? I can understand why chez wouldn't be better from your pov but why is bats not better? | ||
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On May 10 2015 17:26 sicklucker wrote: tinfoil hat on. hf was also defending him Where show me? Why does that mean anything? Why would HF bus all his partners except bats. | ||
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Actually thinking about it now there is a problem with xata being third party that makes me think it isn't actually possible but ill have to sit on that reasoning for now and let it play out. I think damdred is more town than you currently xata because i dont think he can be 3p here but im thinking it might actually be better if you are the fight promoter if SL can 100% definitely cancel the fight if we need it. | ||
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On May 11 2015 08:14 Holyflare wrote: My tinfoil is that you are mafia and were in a shit spot so put me and marv into a fight and in order to get credit cancelled it. It's not particularly a far-fetched tinfoil either since only powers we have seen not active are bats and he was rb'd but 2kp + dmg's still went off anyway. Idk what to say about this that's an extremely selfish play, your saying I stopped two supposed town from taking damage to waste two of my supposed abilities to get town cred. Im obviously biased but that doesn't sound believeable at all. I think you are very likely 3p here HF like for all we know you sent yourself AND marv into fight D1 and it wasn't even a mafia ability that changed the fight. Also how much did your heal heal for? | ||
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On May 11 2015 15:58 Holyflare wrote: Well regardless, it's around the 2kp range. So why/who A) your herb not really work? B) are your scum reads knowing there's probably 2 mafia/1 3p or 1/1? C) why were you consistently talking about future lynches after ls/obi yesterday like you knew the game wasn't going to end? I know my herb worked its the only way LS could have taken 9 damage. It is still the same as in the night phase. I think that bats could be 3rd part or scum more likely scum. Idk about chez the only thing I can find to read him from his his role actions and that makes me think he is maybe more townie could still very well be mafia though. I think you are the most likely 3rd party your role seemingly centered around survival and i still don't think your interactions with stutters saying there was damage missing make any sense still. I think Xat could easily be 3p but that could be said about like everyone except damdred and im not intrested in lynching 3p today im intrested in killing mafia No i was talking about the option of a triple lynch which if we didnt do we would then just lynch them in the future if the game didn't end. I didn't think obi and LS would be the 3p so i didnt assume the game would end | ||
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Did he have 9 or 8 hp left? I don't know what to tell you other than i did exactly what i said i did. Anyway i don't think your mafia HF because another reaon is i don't think 3 of your partners give up like that if you are on their team putting int he effort that you are. Id really want to see damdred explanation for the kp thing | ||
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HF what was wrong with my reads list in the night yeah it was mainly mechanics shit but do you disagree with any of the conclusions that I reached? Furthermore on top of that I'm fairly sure xata made a post after that which was basically reached all the same conclusions I did yet you don't have a problem with that. The thing you quoted about me asking you and Marc if you'd die from the fight was because shining hadn't said the thing about being able to cancel the fight and I was trying to choose which one of you two to SAVE from the fight. Its fairly ridiculous that you guys believe that I changed the fight then changed it back for town cred. First of all of this was true and I'm mafia that means ONLY MAFIA has the ability to mess with the fights. So if I hadn't done that play mafia could basically choose the first two fights without having to announce their ability to the thread because as you saw my action was silent and as was the supposed mafia action. This makes the fight mechanic fucking stupid. | ||
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On May 12 2015 10:34 Holyflare wrote: Well you have the majority of people as 3P and none of them are based on possible reads you could have got from playing the game really? It's very superficial so of course I disagree with them. SL was pretty towny regardless of his power, he pushed people onto mafia day 1 and was actually doing towny things throughout the game. He also got people healed and gave you stuff and whatever but reads could be so much more in depth. It looks like you poe'd down 2 easy lynches when one of them could very well be a mislynch for silly reasons and left all of your options open for a later mislynch by calling everyone and their mothers 3p. That's not even including the stutters stuff where you made an informed decision on his alignment while professing you hadn't even read the interactions that night at all to determine whether what you said was true or not. Also the role hunting you did on me all n1 and hp hunting and stuff. What benefit does saying out loud in the thread that if i claimed pgo my power wouldn't work? That only serves to fit into the game and point out bad things you shouldn't be pointing out to blend in. Since you are saying that mafia does in fact have a role switcher are you implying it's bats and he's lying about being a town 3p then? Because i dont understand why any of those number of people couldnt have been third party. I had damdred and SL as not third party, SL originally wasnt but i revised that later. Stutters was outside the POE so i was happy lynching him, he didnt seem intrested in playing the game which would fit considering how his team had played My ability could only swap one of you or marv out of the fight at the time i did not know i could cancel the fight using shining. Therefore i was trying to work out who most needed to be swapped out of the fight you or marv. Role switcher? do you mean fight switcher? It is very likely but it could also be that the fight on D2 was actually chosen by you without any outside interferance. Maybe your role has an advantage in fights and you wanted to kill marv speculation is useless though. This is my poblem though HF. If you are saying you didn't switch that fight YOU KNOW mafia did. No mafia has flipped with that ability. So your saying I have the ability to switch the fight when it first gets announced AND the ability to swap it 12 hours before the day ends. AND THEN you think i use these abilites to get towncred instead of trying to kill a claimed PGO to avoid having to target him in the night. It just reads as bullshit to me i dont believe you truly think that. Also are people forgetting (because i did) that jean most likely had a green on me with how she stopped pushing me so instantly. | ||
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On May 12 2015 13:11 Damdred wrote: Now lets not result to a green check that's a bit wifom its probable you were checked but we don't know. Also we have 5 cops and no godfather type role? that is really unlikely So im a godfather I can change the fight before it is announced I can change the fight 12 hours before day ends And i can increase damage people do in the fights. Seems unlikely Also each cop had a restriction as well and theres already been miller flips. Also ive only taken 4 damage all up damdred because you asked before. Also tbh I don't really believe bats when he says he wins with town and his role is exactly as claimed because whats the point of him not just being a town. | ||
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On May 10 2015 04:04 Holyflare wrote: It's presumably 2 mafia and an sk. I don't mind lynching someone else, was talking to breshke about it. Chez probably a good lynch, nobody really talked about his mechanic at all yet. Like this post aswell HF. Clearly you were fine about me talkign about other lynches as you thought aswell the game might not end yet youve done a complete 180 on that now to try make me look scummy. Would lynch HF | ||
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On May 12 2015 15:29 Chezinu wrote: No they aren't real. Go ahead and kill me and fight out you mafia scum!!! Just kidding, I want to live. Close setups are so trollable.. I had too much fun to feel sorry for going all Caller on you guys. Plus, we were winnings! To prove to you guys my alignment, I will do something that will 100% confirm my alignment. Guys...I'm not brown... I'm blue. DUN DUN DUN!!! That's it 100% confirmed. So what is your role? | ||
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If you are saying I am mafia you are saying that only mafia had ability to change the fights meaning mafia could have chosen the first two fights no matter the promoter how do you believe this? It's not wifom idc jean was on my ass D1 then d2 nothing it was dropped completely. I was very obviously green checked and yes you can argue that I am a godfather but if you add that to the list of the rest of my supposed roles then it gets far too ridiculous. You have to also explain where the random 1 damage and such has been coming from, where the damage on marv came from D1. Where has the random 3 damage which also seemed to finish off LS been coming from? If i am scum how can I have all these supposed abilities. If you say its 3p then its obviously an anti town 3p so either bat snacks is lieing and we should lynch him or there is another 3p. | ||
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On May 12 2015 19:57 Holyflare wrote: You think my 3p play is to 180 on my reads and turn onto you instead of pushing some free crap lynches on batsnacks or chezinu? You mad dude? Also. The amount of kp was enough to kill 1.5/2 people which steadily decreased as the game went on while town could kill roughly 1.5 people a day. It's really not unlikely that mafia could have a fight switching ability. However, the problem we now have is thay you are saying that not only am I 3p but I must have put myself in the fight which means mafia doesn't even have a fight swithcing power which means you are the only person that can switch fights. Why would a towny have that power if mafia can't fight switch?? I don't think it's unlikely mafia would have abilities to do an extra 15 dmg tbh? You point out how I was talking with you yesterday but that's pretty much when my suspicions of you arose. I'll find the quotes hang on. You're probably right about bats lying though. Im not saying its impossible for mafia to have a fight switcher because it still doesn't make sense for you as a 3rd party to put yourself in a postion where you would take damage. Look at yamatos role i dont get why mafia didn't swap him in since he looked fairly townie after the D1 lynch just off of the sandroba flip AND he would of dealt extra damage to the other person 5% of the time. Idk i still don't see how you can think that a mechanic is added to this game where we have to vote to see who controls it and mafia would have the power to change it and no town would. That would mean town wouldn't get a fight they wanted NO MATTER THE PROMOTER until D4 | ||
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On May 12 2015 20:22 Holyflare wrote: Well we'd have 2 towny amateur fights if bats is town so it's not particularly hard to see. I've seen crazier things (4 cops in 1 game lololol) This is actually a good argument for why mafia could have so much control of the fights. On May 12 2015 20:23 Holyflare wrote: What do you think about the possibility of xata being 3p? He really doesn't care about this game much and it's probably lylo? I think its possible i got the feeling often that xata wasn't really involved because he wouldn't really do much for a while but then he would come back to the thread and just comment on stuff which i didn't really like at first because it made him feel really dejected but I then realized it was probably how he played and started liking his stuff more especially last night phase when me and him kinda came to the same conclusions. I also like that he resisted you about me being scum where he could have just gone with the flow but i feel like reads like that havn't worked out for me before. I don't really get it though like why would he care less if it was a lylo as 3p unless his win con is with scum which is doubtful. (i dont get 3p that can win with town/scum couldnt they just not be 3p?) Like if he is third party the game will continue and scum has to try attack him to kill and he apprently has a counter mekinism so then this wouldn't really be lylo anyway. Im waffeling a bit here but yes I think he could easily be third party. Can you explain to me why you don't seem that interested in chez. Like youve tried to work with him but he hasn't really been giving you much what do you make of that. | ||
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On May 12 2015 20:51 Holyflare wrote: It's just a thing that mafia/3p get less involved as the game goes on. Especially in a lylo where you need to be super involved to solve the game and stuff like that. He's more interested in his day 1 game than here? Also couldn't be bothered to try and sort through who the fight should be and just put it on 2 obvious people without really talking it through. He defended you sure but he actually ignored all the relevant points raised on you and said some stuff that wasn't really true and when disproved still ignored it. Another thing that made me think he was unlikely 3p was that he claimed to have an ability similar to jats where he would stay alive for a phase even if he was killed for all his hp which doesnt make sense for like a survivor type 3p because he just dies at the end of a phase so he cant win with that ability idk i guess he could be lying. It is apart of the reason iw anted him as fight promoter i wanted that ability activated. On May 12 2015 20:53 Holyflare wrote: Thing about chez is that I have no idea. He definitely has powers that aren't fight switching so it doesn't really warrant talking about as a mafia candidate. He could be 3p but then it leads back to who is the mafia. Is this necessarily true though? Like i still have no idea what his role is and he gave something to SL which could apparently cancel the fight so why couldn't he have fight altering abilities. Although he probably can't be mafia anyway so that makes me feel even better about lynching bats because I really think he is scum and not 3p because i can't really see it being anyone else but you and if its you well done knowing exactly who in your team was going to not try from the get go and im happy to lose to you | ||
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Basically I don't understand because if you think i lied about using the herb you think i still have it since no nights have shown plus one damage. Even if i was scum/3p and responsible for the 3 random damage EoD then I still would have needed to use the herb to kill LS since he had 9 HP and from what i recall noone else has claimed that damage.. So saying i didn't use the herb doesn't make sense from any standpoint otherwise it would have been literally impossible for LS to die. So that being said I obviously used the herb. Therefore when damdred claims 12 damage the next day there is two conclusions. 1 Damdred is lying and did not take 12 damage (he would have to take either 12 or 13 damage im not sure) 2 Factional KP does not count as a punch or fight as this is what the herb amplifies. If this is the case then HF is lying about his ability because he said something along the line of that it had to count as a punch for his ability to make sense. Damdred and HF can not both be telling the truth here so yeah one of them is anti town and with damdred most likely dying tonight I really think it is actually HF. | ||
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On May 14 2015 08:29 Holyflare wrote: You 100% can't kill me tonight. I still have a herb from sl. 100% this is a lie SL was scum reading him he doesn't have a herb | ||
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On May 14 2015 08:36 Xatalos wrote: Hmmm... HF has really put some effort into this game though.... And he would have bussed really hard if he was scum.... Yep I don't deny that. Look at the damage I assume you've been doing each night. Then lool at the remaining abilities and the fact that I was probably green checked this game. The amount of stuff is have to be able to do is rediculous | ||
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On May 14 2015 09:00 Holyflare wrote: Oh. Right. I guess that's true? However, then you are saying I'm mafia and we had absolutely 0 fight changing abilities. It still also doesn't explain anything else in this game. I still took kp multiple times. The fact that you can be promoter and pick the fight and know your team might be enough for mafia they might not need a fight changing ability I'm not ignoring the other stuff you are saying I know none of the others thinking you are mafia other than SL is a big deal because noone expressed like ANY doubt. Have you used chez's thing yet im really curious. | ||
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On May 14 2015 09:07 Breshke wrote: Xata did you do 2 damage to me last night? nevermind people will just say im lying anyway doesnt matter derp | ||
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On May 14 2015 09:14 Holyflare wrote: Half tempted to let breshke win for actually putting in effort as mafia You don't know how much i wish this was true because the effort ive put in would be good for mafia but its horrid because im TOWN | ||
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HF can kill one of the 3p so you are both going to side with him so if he is scum ive lost no matter what i do because you guys won't lynch him. Therefore I have a plan for us to win, I just need xata and HF to switch their vote to chez then i will explain it | ||
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Hahaha have your vote ready to switch again, seriously chez is 3p and xata is 3p so i can only win if your town give me a chance | ||
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On May 14 2015 10:18 Chezinu wrote: what if there are 3 towns and one 3P called Xata? then we win no matter what because of what you gave hf? | ||
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On May 14 2015 10:54 Holyflare wrote: Believe it or not, I'm still not mafia. It doesn't matter. If you are town i get you lynched (lol) chez dies from your thing im town and i win with xata like youre saying your going to. If youre scum i egt you lynched (lol) chez dies from your thing im town and i win with xata still. Is it not the best thing for me to do. I was going to try make you use your thing on xata and we lynch chez because if youre scum i lose anyway | ||
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Im not scum. I switched the fight early to what i thought would have been a better fight for town. If you believe I switched the fight twice and am scum you believe town has no fight altering abilities. I was also most likely greend by jean. On April 29 2015 07:15 Jean Valjean wrote: By the way, as I pointed out yesterday here: There exists at least one reason to think Vivax is mafia. In addition he has a completely fake scumread on me so that makes me feel better about killing him too. The reason his scumread is fake is that his only accusation is that my posts are too clean. I'm not entirely sure what too clean means, but if I understand the term correctly, he should have instantly dropped his scumread on me over the night because my play through the last hours of day 1 were absolutely not clean, in fact I responded to people that were accusing me because my play wasn't perfectly clean. I only chose the correct lynch on mafia as my #2 option for the lynch and not #1. Until Breshke flips it can be argued that I made a mistake, which is not something characterized by mafia who are trying to be holier than thou to gain town credit. So with the correctness thing out of the picture there is very little left in Vivax' scumread on me. At best his accusation is some sort of a tone read I suppose? But more likely he simply thinks I am a good target to go after. I will support a Vivax lynch, at least for now and pending further reading. I haven't dived into his filter as I like to do and probably will sleep before I do that. I won't be applying my vote until I've convinced myself one way or the other. In this post you can clearly see jean has dropped suspicion of me even defending themselves saying they werent "clean" which they assumed to mean like right about everything scum TMI or w/e. To defend himself he says it can be argued he was wrong on my alignment. After someone who wanted my head to be so lax about my alignment i can almost assure you i was green checked Especially Xata should know that I am not scum here because he knows all the damage abilities he did not do have been from mafia so you need to think i did all those things plus have two different abilities to change fights plus be a godfather. Seems very complicated, much more simply im town | ||
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On May 15 2015 08:42 LightningStrike wrote: Modkills op  Also Breshke using your thing to kill me was terrible esp given how townie I had looked towards the end of my filter......Yeah i agree but I had a deadline so I couldn't take it back. mafia put damage on you anyway so you were going to die anyway if not during the night from 3p bleed damage thing | ||
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