[T] Hajime no Ippo Maifa - Page 68

On April 28 2015 04:30 sicklucker wrote:
See we have the same idea. If two players are doing the same nothing and are usualy scum when they do nothing. But votes were super easy to get on yamato over sandro. That means sandro is going to be mafia more of the time because there is going to be resistance on getting mafia to vote on mafia

On April 27 2015 10:49 Holyflare wrote:


His posts were all setup and barely any scum reading. Had one sentence on unexplained reads and it was more important to justify himself on setup than explain them.

On April 26 2015 11:31 Breshke wrote:


Im really intrested how you figured it is 1 and a half lynches per complete cycle based on your hp and stuff since the first cycle there is no fight promoter and the fight only causes 5 dmg to each participant. Based on the information in the OP at all and my own HP I would think that someone would have to participate in multiple fights to be killed by this mechanic add that on with no fight first day cycle just don't get how you got to 1.5 lynches per day.

This being said I think I heard your very good with mechanics, where did I read this I think marv said it? So i assume you are right I just don't see how.

Also hi everyone

On April 26 2015 22:23 Breshke wrote:


Why SL?

On April 26 2015 23:08 Breshke wrote:


I don't think the question to sandro is a useless one because if he doesnt have a proper explanation i thought it was possible he could be mafia because knowing all the mafias rols would give you a lot more information about what would happen in the night. I have since realised that is probably dumb. You have still never explained how it is obvious how he reached the conclusion that it is 1.5 lynches per night btw.

I understand your reason behind it but i don't think it is a right one. It is like claiming mason some people think that you shouldnt because you are town and just should act town and the cop won't investigate you.

But instead you have basically claimed that a cop investigating you would have bad consequences for the cop which doesn't really seem to be a very town sided role to begin with. Upon that if you were actually town I don't see why you are worried about this in the first place.

On April 26 2015 23:11 Breshke wrote:


I don't have much.

The guy with the random reads list is weird but it still feels to early to say not sure why he posted it then didn't hang around to explain.

Indiginant i don't really agree with the cop thing play.

I like you for trying to move conversation on when not much is happening.

On April 27 2015 18:35 Breshke wrote:
I don't think LS is town this game.

Its weird that he said I TMI as scum but never eally pointed to a game where it happened.

He also ignored Xat explaining how it wasn't TMI which makes me think he doesn't really believe it because he isn't trying to persuade anyone.

##Vote LS

I also would be happy lynching SL this game because the fake confidence irks me

On April 27 2015 19:53 Breshke wrote:


he doesn't really revisit it or tell anyone to look into me when he is interacting with people later on which from what I remember is normally what LS does. To me it feels like he isn't trying to draw attention to it because he isnt confident he can push the read even though his posts directly about it seem to say otherwise.




He also seems to dodge FF's question here could be unintentional

On April 28 2015 04:35 Koshi wrote:
##unvote
##vote sandroba

I am town. Don't use my vote to WIFOM.

On April 28 2015 04:36 sicklucker wrote:
Look at this two votes not on sandro. The resistance

On April 28 2015 04:33 Holyflare wrote:


+ afking meta

^ case

On April 28 2015 04:39 Jean Valjean wrote:


I have no particular issue with a sandroba lynch. I have been writing this case on Breshke for a while and didn't know this switch was going on.

My case on sandroba was written 8 hours ago when there was still time for him to come back and take the leadership role his opening posts implied he would be taking. With every hour passing since then without him delivering on the expectations I feel he set for himself, he is more likely to be mafia.

So yes, we should absolutely lynch sandroba. There is currently no reason not to.

On April 28 2015 04:39 indignant wrote:

Push whatever you please - I am not switching off yamato without him posting.
The problem I have with a sandroba lynch is that the last time I played with him when he was town he was as awful as he is in this game.

On April 28 2015 04:41 Holyflare wrote:


which game? pretty sure he was dreadreturn and had no time in that game and still managed to post

On April 28 2015 04:34 Jean Valjean wrote:
I feel quite strongly that Breshke is mafia. The reason isn't really what is in his filter, but rather what isn't there. I am going to try to explain this in detail but it will take some intuition on part of the reader to fully comprehend why I'm going after him.

I want your focus to be this:

Breshke never attempts to lead with his questions and he never offers opinions or insight on situations

Let's just break what he has posted down:



Mechanics discussion with almost no content. While discussing mechanics on it's own isn't scummy at all, it's also not something to townread people for.

After figuring out the mechanics thing that I admit I don't quite understand myself, but I also don't really know how the game works so that's not really an issue. But the point is Breshke did not talk about anything else until this post.



Notice how this is just a straight up question, he doesn't even comment on the other reads, and much less anything else going on in the game. He does not offer any information or insight, preferring to straight up ask the question



This discussion isn't about the game or trying to figure out someone's alignment. This is just a philosophical discussion about how mafia should be played, a fantastic topic if you're mafia as it looks like you're talking about the game but you really aren't. Again notice that at this point in the game I don't think Breshke has given even a single lean on any player in either direction. He has talked plenty, but not about things that are conducive to solving the game.



So when Xata pushes him for exactly what I'm pointing out, he kinda throws out a few reads. Pay special attention to the bolded. What the hell is this? This is not a read any viable human being would make. It's absolutely pointless to talk about whether or not he agrees with Indiginant's play style if he's not going to draw any conclusion from it.

Again, the theme goes on that he does not offer information unless prompted, he doesn't feel any need to share things with the thread unless specifically asked. The one exception is below.



This is his one real read this game. As you all can see it's very flimsy and actually appeals to someone else (Xata) in his explanation. Is LS really someone you would expect to take a strong leadership role when he's town? Is this a viable reason to scumread him? This feels so flimsy that I simply don't believe Breshke believes this.

Also, when pressed on about this read, notice how weak it is really:



Like none of this is strong at all. I'm not saying LS couldn't be mafia, but the reasons Breshke has brought up are absolutely not why if he is. Notice the bolded, it really seems like he could simply go and confirm it if he actually cared about the read.

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That's really about it for what is in Breshke's filter. I left out him randomly asking me about my experience level and a few other minor things, but I don't think I'm being unfair about my representation of his filter.

I believe I have fully proven that Breshke has almost no reads on anyone this game, and what little reads he does have are extremely weak. In addition all his questioning of random people is usually fairly one-sided, in that he rarely seems to offer to give up any information to his correspondent.

So, I think you cannot argue with my conclusion of what Breshke's filter is. However what is now left is to figure out if all of this actually makes him mafia. I think it does, but I'm more than willing to listen to a different opinion.


##vote Breshke