Aperture Mafia 4: This Time it's Personal

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On March 26 2015 09:51 geript wrote:
fristed

In regards to trying to reference a pm another player sent, try to err on the side of "putting it in your own words."

On March 26 2015 12:04 VayneAuthority wrote:
we have this conversation every PM game but nothing ever actually comes of it because faking anything or posting any incriminating PMs leads you to a 50/50 scenario 1v1 so it is basically never done.

On March 28 2015 08:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Ebwop.

If nothing else, kita being sad will please me.

On March 28 2015 16:42 Holyflare wrote:
My opening is absolutely nothing like carol...?

On March 28 2015 16:47 Holyflare wrote:


Second quote is my carol opener. If anyone can even hint that they are the same that is a blatant misrepresentation.

On March 28 2015 16:58 Holyflare wrote:
Ehhh i guess that's true now i look at my own games. No way near as forced as carol though.

On March 28 2015 23:49 justanothertownie wrote:

You will better be productive or we just lynch the shit out of you. The last time you said this you were mafia.

On March 29 2015 02:07 justanothertownie wrote:

Why don't you just say what you want to talk about/what you think is interesting? You are just existing in this thread so far.

On March 29 2015 02:17 Holyflare wrote:


i dunno he made that case on me and i replied and he ignored it and replied to something useless

not sure i agree with myself though because when i remember kita i do remember randomly appearing in threads

On March 29 2015 02:43 WaveofShadow wrote:
Sepulchre could very well be 3P because of that statement though

On March 29 2015 03:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Anyway I still like a sicklucker lynch.

On March 29 2015 08:22 Koshi wrote:
Kitaman is mafia or doing something weird. I am going with mafia.

Why does he put pressure on HF and then ignore HF?

On March 29 2015 08:28 Koshi wrote:

Kita, are you the guy who Foolishness said was a pretty epic player in the jubjub journals?

On March 27 2015 23:17 GreYMisT wrote:

-Aperture Mafia

On March 29 2015 08:40 Koshi wrote:

unless this was explained before I couldn't know it.

On March 29 2015 10:07 Snarfs wrote:

That's a very good find.

On March 29 2015 10:09 Hapahauli wrote:
Because generally lynching townies is bad. Kita.

On March 29 2015 10:11 Hapahauli wrote:
I'm saying that you gave a reason for Koshi to be town, and then somehow figured out a way to justify voting him.

On March 29 2015 00:04 Koshi wrote:
w.e I am ok with getting lynched. afk till after deadline. Have fun.

On March 29 2015 10:15 Koshi wrote:
Why are you justifying your actions towards a scumread?

On March 29 2015 10:15 Hapahauli wrote:


If that's indicative of a town Koshi, yes.

On March 29 2015 10:20 Hapahauli wrote:
This posting is boring me. Let me know when the lynching starts, and I'll start playing.

On March 29 2015 10:12 Snarfs wrote:
And calling out hapa for being afk seemed premature rather than just waiting to see

On March 29 2015 08:43 kitaman27 wrote:
This mafia games aren't exactly straight troll either though so I'm mostly wait and see with him.

On March 29 2015 10:27 Snarfs wrote:

But that's not what you said originally... It sounded to me like you thought he was mafia 12 hours before that.

On March 29 2015 06:25 Trfel wrote:
ExO_

ExO_'s decision to run for the adventuring party was very delayed.

On March 29 2015 06:25 Trfel wrote:
[*]As mafia, sicklucker's claim is intended to try to get elected to the adventuring party, and to explain why he is not night killed in this game.

On March 29 2015 10:42 Koshi wrote:
kita is Hapa town? Really that is the only thing I care about.

On March 29 2015 10:55 Koshi wrote:
Why is kita town JAT?

On March 28 2015 08:07 Crossfire99 wrote:
I'm probably just going to vote for the person who wants to lynch someone who I think is scum. I don't think we need to get any more complicated than that.

On March 29 2015 10:56 justanothertownie wrote:

I am not saying he is town (hint: that's what HF did)

On March 29 2015 11:36 justanothertownie wrote:

Your hard defense of Kita is about as weird as Koshis "100 % mafia" read on him. Just sayin.

On March 29 2015 12:01 Snarfs wrote:
I got HF, rsoultn, Koshi, kita(because of HF), wave, chez as town. Very similar to crossfire, not sold on keirathi but that seems like a good start.

On March 29 2015 12:48 kitaman27 wrote:










batsnacks might be mafia. In the JOAT game where he was town, he was completely disconnected from the thread, willingly sharing a "I don't care and you're not going to do anything about it" attitude.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476732-jack-of-all-trades-mafia?user=batsnacks&view=all

In comparison, this game he is giving reads without being asked about them such as his comments about exo and has that exchange with keirathi that seems like he is putting effort into looking at things. Those few posts alone are probably more effort than his entire town game if you compare the two filters.

On March 29 2015 12:52 Holyflare wrote:


Batsnacks doesn't do anything as mafia and certainly doesn't try hard and call people mafia.

On March 29 2015 11:56 Blazinghand wrote:
whoa Koshi voted to elect me earlier, even though my entire concept is lynching him? I srsly got to read the thread

On March 29 2015 20:09 Holyflare wrote:
probably towny
Trfel

On March 30 2015 02:25 Damdred wrote:


Right now would want Snarfs lynched for reasons stated before.

And hapa because pack of trying.

On March 30 2015 02:45 VisceraEyes wrote:

Kita vote for VE bro I gots a sick case on the mafias! Check it out!

On March 30 2015 02:50 justanothertownie wrote:

I don't like this post at all and I have no idea how this guy could make HFs townlist after this.

On March 29 2015 10:39 kitaman27 wrote:


How so? He announces it right at the start. I don't quite understand what you are saying here.



If sicklucker almost never gets shot, why are you saying that he would need to explain why he is not night killed? I doubt anyone would find it suspicious if he is alive after a few nights.

Also, you say his going is to get elected and then point out he doesn't push it very hard. Why does it make sense from the mafia perspective here if that's his goal, but not town?

On March 30 2015 02:55 Holyflare wrote:
I absolutely do not want koshi as a rogue though that's just the biggest liability in the history of mafia

On March 30 2015 00:27 LightningStrike wrote:
I didn't play in the last Aperture tbh with you and the fact no one tried to counterclaim my claim should speak for itself that I am Commissioner Gordon (Flavor is Batman in this game and he was a good guy there).

On March 29 2015 13:36 Hapahauli wrote:
I'm so popular!

*giggles*

On March 30 2015 03:33 justanothertownie wrote:

hahahahahahaha

On March 30 2015 03:41 ritoky wrote:


he said something too utterly stupid to be mafia. he is easy to catch as mafia cuz he edits his posts a lot.

seriously though, I am not joking I need people to give me 3 more town.

On March 30 2015 04:20 Hapahauli wrote:
Also HF, you need to chill. I can't read a 90 page game in 15 minutes.

On March 30 2015 04:31 Hapahauli wrote:
Furthermore, you're not really understanding what I"m trying to say about Trefl in general. Sicklucker post was good on its own. Paired with the 2nd, it is bad.

On March 30 2015 04:45 Koshi wrote:
Also, we are not electing Kita or Hapa.

Never.

No fucking way they get it for "trying a couple hours"

THIS IS THE TIME MAFIA WILL TRY HARDEST. GIVE IT TO SOMBODY WHO TRIED THE ENTIRE CYCLE. rsoultin/obiwan are good clerics. rsoultin/JAT/Koshi/HF for top position then I guess.

On March 30 2015 04:45 Koshi wrote:
@kitaman27
Another odd thing is that ritoky isn't reading HF as town.

On March 30 2015 04:49 ritoky wrote:
question for you kita:

I have been masoned with HF before where he fooled me hard. Did he prompt more discussion in the mason thread or did you prompt more discussion? Who was asking the questions/giving out info more?

On March 30 2015 04:53 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


I am of the impression that scumteams generally don't lynch into themselves without good reason to do so.

On March 30 2015 04:50 justanothertownie wrote:
Possible lynches:
Trfel
Damdred
Crossfire
Hapa
BH

On March 30 2015 05:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
Also LAWL at Kita choosing the hardest person in the game to mason with.

On March 30 2015 05:03 yamato77 wrote:

lol nvm what a joker

On March 29 2015 06:25 Trfel wrote:
[*]As mafia, sicklucker's claim is intended to try to get elected to the adventuring party, and to explain why he is not night killed in this game.

On March 29 2015 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Sicklucker didn't make any effort to push his campaign for the adventuring party.

On March 29 2015 06:25 Trfel wrote:
sicklucker himself stated that he never gets night killed.

On March 30 2015 04:31 Hapahauli wrote:
Furthermore, you're not really understanding what I"m trying to say about Trefl in general. Sicklucker post was good on its own. Paired with the 2nd, it is bad.

On March 30 2015 06:27 Blazinghand wrote:
Hmm, I'm still not feeling too secure here, I guess I should claim?

On March 30 2015 06:36 Hapahauli wrote:


Eh. I think he looks "objectively bad." First post is a "say nothing" intro post, followed by a great deal of weak town reads.

That being said, it makes sense that he'd do something like this, given that his priorities today seem to be voting for a "town" lynch party.

I think lynching him is a coinflip. Not a terrible coinflip, but I'd lynch Trfel or Sepul over him any day. WoS... I'd like to see him alive another day as I think there's some margin for error in my read there.

On March 30 2015 06:40 Hapahauli wrote:


Plausibly. Sepul is brand new after all.

But that also has very little to do with why I'm suspicious of him. I'm more concerned with how he arrived on voting Vayne (after saying how his priorities were to find townies for positions "3 and 1").

On March 30 2015 06:33 Alakaslam wrote:

I swear I have KP knowledge if I am willing to risk a few things, listen to me!

If this happens, the lyncher is going to die. BH can't get lynched look elsewhere.

Now, if you listen to me I'm good but if rsoultin decides to disbelieve me I will also need protection or I will also die a later cycle.

On March 30 2015 05:48 Blazinghand wrote:
ok fine let's kill snarfs then

as long as we're not killing me I'm good honestly. I don't really have reads since this thread is a monstrosity and every time I leave for a half day I come back and there's 50 pages of "wat"

On March 30 2015 05:34 Hapahauli wrote:
No no, not lynching BH.

Bad JAT. Bad.

On March 30 2015 06:58 Onegu wrote:


Why the hell would she ignore slam at this point?

On March 30 2015 06:59 Hapahauli wrote:


I've played enough games with BH to realize that his openers aren't always serious and are rarely alignment indicative.

On March 30 2015 07:03 VisceraEyes wrote:

Why don't you tell us? Aren't you the one with the guy on speeddial?

On October 20 2013 14:57 Blazinghand wrote:
don't lynch me

On October 20 2013 07:25 Blazinghand wrote:
yeah not having read the thread at all I think I can comfortably vote mocsta unless he's also an innocent townie somehow

##vote mocsta

On October 20 2013 15:09 Blazinghand wrote:
man that would require having read the thread. it's like my birthday a couple days ago and today I like went and hung out with my dad. I don't even know who's like in my house or who got shot or who even signed up for this game, i literally have not read thread.

On May 16 2014 09:41 Blazinghand wrote:
Sorry I'm actually like at dinner but after dinner I'll read. I don't see any reason to read things other than the filters of the other 2 mccains though since the last scum must be amongst us

On May 16 2014 14:33 Blazinghand wrote:
yeah same here. I might as well vote for posterity sake

##vote dicksmashcockguy

On May 17 2014 06:22 Blazinghand wrote:
yeah i haven't read anything thrawn cause the game is solved, I don't see why I need to? 3 blue claims, 3 lynches, scum is in the blue claims. is there any reason I need to be reading here?

On August 28 2014 10:49 Blazinghand wrote:
I haven't read the thread, because none of you worms are close enough to my level to merit my attention, and today is a lynch day.

On August 30 2014 02:55 Blazinghand wrote:
I have no illusions about whether or not I'm getting lynched. I don't have time to defend myself, so I'm getting lynched today, mostly becasue all you guys are too umad about how much I beat you at mafia to play a reasonable game. Ah well! You can apologize to me in post game

On August 30 2014 06:02 Blazinghand wrote:
dude i'm not reading 40 damn pages of posts, i'm at work. the only reason I could use the scanner is cause i'm the IT guy so I won't give myself crap for using it

On October 08 2014 01:30 Blazinghand wrote:
Hi guys, I've returned to the thread. I'm currently catching up, but I took a moment to observe that OO still hasn't posted anything of note, or anything at all really since I last mentioned him. This kind of lethargy and uninterest is not too uncommon for scum players, and might even be a scumtell for OO (someone earlier said that OO's meta as scum is to do nothing and be uninterested). Those of you who want me to formulate a case against OO, allow me to show you the entirety of his filter:








aaaand that's literally everything this guy has posted.

Surely everyone agrees with me here that someone like this can't possibly be allowed to live. Anyone complaining that people voting for an RNG target are opting out of the discourse, look at OO's filter and tell me with a straight face that he isn't also opting out of the discourse.

In any case, let me know if you guys have any questions or anything you want me to focus on as I catch up.

On October 08 2014 02:57 Blazinghand wrote:
Ok, I'm pretty much caught up on the thread, and it looks like there was some good action between hf/obi and storr/lian for me to check out. Before I dig in, I'd like to reaffirm my confidence that OO is the best lynch today.




Sure!

I like some of storr's case on lian. I agree that lian hasn't taken strong enough positions, and seems to have attempted to do weird things on the OO wagon. That being said, the fact that he and KSC are dubious of RNG does not imo make them scummy. I think Storr's case would make for something interesting to follow up on after the OO lynch. I don't want to draw associative tells between unflipped players, but basically I don't find doubting RNG to be inherently unreasonable. Trying to throw lots of doubt on it, then saying that "rng is a method for scum to be using", seems to be something a new player could reasonably believe. If OO flips mafia scum, I'll be much more suspicious of lian.

I think storr raises a good point that lian doesn't have aggressive reads. An important post to focus on is this one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?page=28#544



Basically, KSC asks Lian, "what are you scumreads", which is a reasonable question (KSC gets some points for this). Lian's reply is a rambling list post that doesn't have a cohesive read to unify it, or a case. Storrzerg accurate points out that the post doesn't specify a top scumread very well. Storrzerg says it already, so I won't bother repeating:



The main point is that it was an awful list post. Yeah, this is good stuff. I like the storrzerg case. It's reasonable and liancourt doesn't look good. If I weren't so sure on this OO thing I'd consider voting liancourt. As it stands, I think we can deal with liancourt tomorrow.

I'm gonna not focus on KSC for a moment except to say:



When OO flips scum you can apologize to me for ever doubting RNG.

---

I realize things got a bit rambly there so I'll summarize real quick

1. I still think OO is the best lynch, as I've outlined.
1.5. I think it's pretty clear OO is doing some kind of lurk / low energy thing this game. We can anticipate him coming back sometime near the end of the day and claiming he was busy or something.
2. Storrzerg's case on liancourt points out liancourt's very scummy response to "what are your scumreads", making me interested in lynching liancourt tomorrow

On November 01 2014 09:06 Blazinghand wrote:
Ok I won't actually have time to make a real case between now and 2 hours from now when I promised I'd vote by. Some dinner issues came up. However, as the best player here I still have an obligation to lead town to victory, so I will lead, as I always do.

It seems clear to me that it's time for an RNG lynch.

So here's what happens

1) you all will follow me since I'm the best player here

2) I will lynch the guy via RNG as determined by this post (the one you're reading right now)'s post count modulo 9. Since so many people are posting at once on TL it's impossible for us to know what's going down. Basically, in addition to a "what post in this thread" post ID, each post has a unique sitewide id # that's increasing so quickly because of TL traffic, I can use it to RNG effectively.

I've done this before. It works. If you don't know what "modulo" means or how my rng lynch works after this explantion, you are not mathematically and educationally qualified to claim that this lynch is not RNG. In the past game, this has lynched scum 100% of the time and it caused town to basically win. You can't deny RNG.



In this case,
1 = OWS
2 = LT

etc etc all the way up to

16 = HF
0 = JB

(since a multiple of 14 modulo 14 is 0, not 14).

+ Show Spoiler [player list] +

there is no force on earth that can persuade me that RNG lynch is sub-optimal. bow before the RNG lynch. behold its glory and its horror and all of its majesty

On November 02 2014 07:07 Blazinghand wrote:


The whole point or RNG, GB, is that I don't have control over who is lynched. Nobody does. It's RNG. If it was "I'm gonna use RNG, but only follow up on it if the guy is a lurker", that wouldn't be RNG, that would be "BH likes to talk about RNG but when the chips are down he folds" and I am not a guy who folds when the chips are down. I take RNG seriously, and yes, sometimes RNG lands on an active scum instead of a passive scum. That doesn't make it less valid.



Fair enough. Look at how GB has responded to RNG this game. Most people who don't like RNG just dismiss it, or call it bad (which eventually, it seeems he did). What GB isntead has done has said it was "disruptive" somehow (even though basically i was the only one voting along those lines) and responded with a counterattack against me. Is this how a town player, one who is familiar with RNG, would react? Why not just call RNG bad? Why not just call me scum for using RNG? Why call attention to the fact that RNG is disruptive to the town discourse, or say that it's unusually bad becuase it landed on him? This is not how my thought process would go if I were RNGed as town and I think it shows us that GB is scum.



Eh, I wasn't really planning to do it, but it turned out I had to go to dinner and didn't have enough time to do any other voting strategy or do a bigger analysis of the thread. I'm 100% sure I already said this. Didn' you read my filter?



Explain?

On March 30 2015 07:01 Half the Sky wrote:
I am assuming you've had more exposure to him as a player than I have had in my scant two games alongside him.

On March 30 2015 07:34 Alakaslam wrote:
Nobody is being the good senpai.

I said it as well as I can already.

The one who lynches BH will DIE FIRST

Then

I will DIE LATER unless protected.

I SAY IT IS MORE IMPORTANT NOT LOSING THE WARRIOR?!?!? BUT YOU PPL DONT CARE

On March 30 2015 07:39 Hapahauli wrote:
In regard to BH... Slam can you just claim? Non-cryptically?

How would you know about BH's powers?

On March 30 2015 07:49 Blazinghand wrote:


so specifically mine is a mild rolecop (returns category of power, like healing, killing, roleblocking, etc) and is linked to 2 otehr roles in the game, Sherlock and Morioarity. All 3 of us recieve each other's checks, but NOT each other's targets. I'm not sure if they're ALSO rolecops, or what. My guess is Sherlock is an alignment cop or a name cop so that our powers can work together if we get into PMs together.

My checking is compulsive, since ther esults go to all 3 of us. I can choose to not get my own result back, and instead learn who someone's target was. So normally I get this:

My own result
Sherl's result
Mor's result

I can choose to get this:

Sher's result
Mor''s result
who either sherl or mor targeted

and i don't see what my own result was

On March 30 2015 07:51 Holyflare wrote:


please prove to me how my post is wrong and how it is a cop out, he'd love to afk as mafia under a claim, he's done it before

On December 11 2012 09:05 kitaman27 wrote:
lol wb Toad.

Also, I've got a new toy!

On March 30 2015 05:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Remove Kita, he masoned HF instead of someone he can read.

On March 30 2015 08:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
For the record any PMs sent to me in the night will be summarily ignored.

On March 30 2015 07:50 Hapahauli wrote:
Sigh. Sickulcker seems like such a cop-out vote. I don't see how an anti-town 3rd party is claiming in his situation.

On March 30 2015 07:54 Hapahauli wrote:
Regardless, I don't think you're being lynched. HF has a good point about sicklucker.

On March 30 2015 07:57 Hapahauli wrote:
I'll let HF do his thing with sicklucker. I think my vote pushed him to #1.

On March 30 2015 07:26 Holyflare wrote:
a lynch on sl is a lynch on guaranteed not town!

On March 30 2015 23:32 Holyflare wrote:
+i had reason™ to think that sl wasn't a vet and it turns out he wasn't and he was a filthy liar anyway

On March 30 2015 07:40 Blazinghand wrote:
OK WAIT I'M DETECTIVE LESTRAD

the way my role works is that I have to submit a night actione very night and I get a generalized rolecheck like "kill power" or "healing" or "roleblocking"

there are 2 other players, sherlock and moriorarirty. we all recieve each other's results but not who each other targeted. Also, nto sure if the others have this power, but I can follow one of them to see who they targeted since I can assign the cops under me to do it

seems fairly clear to me. Slam is probably sherlock "sure looks" remember and realized what I was

On March 30 2015 23:40 batsnacks wrote:
Wait kita didn't you say that you said I was suspicious and that HF agreed with you early?

On March 30 2015 23:51 Holyflare wrote:


reasons™

On March 30 2015 00:27 LightningStrike wrote:
I didn't play in the last Aperture tbh with you and the fact no one tried to counterclaim my claim should speak for itself that I am Commissioner Gordon (Flavor is Batman in this game and he was a good guy there).

On March 31 2015 00:52 Koshi wrote:
You think that if all mafias are batman themed that they won't figure out kita his question and tell LS? Come on. The question itself was extremely poorly asked if kita really wanted to find out extra information.

Kita is mafia. It's ez. So is WoS/BH and hapa.

On March 31 2015 00:59 Koshi wrote:
Kita even thinks that what he is performing in this thread is anything near valuable. It's laughable instead.

On March 31 2015 02:13 Holyflare wrote:
Although why you claimed this now when you could have claimed at the end of the day is silly because now mafia won't waste shit on me.

On March 31 2015 02:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
Kita trying to get brownie points with the town
:D

On March 30 2015 05:27 Blazinghand wrote:


yeah normally I would but my role is like, super sweet and because of what it is, if I claim it in-thread it helps two other roles, one of which is scum and the other of which is town.

On March 31 2015 06:05 Koshi wrote:
kita stop being mafia.

On March 31 2015 06:07 justanothertownie wrote:

He has just been extremely cryptic and unhelpful :/

On March 31 2015 06:14 yamato77 wrote:

Why didn't you respond to my response?

On March 31 2015 08:11 rsoultin wrote:
oooooh dead mafiosos! nice

kita can i trust you? >> i get the feeling i might be able to trust you >>

On March 31 2015 08:46 Blazinghand wrote:
kita want to vote VA

On March 31 2015 09:55 Blazinghand wrote:


I think the opposite is true, anyone NOT voting VA should be explaining why they're assuming marv DIDN'T check him.

On March 31 2015 10:03 Blazinghand wrote:
We know Chezinu AKA Marv is Holmes because he flipped. We know who he checked because it makes sense, and we know the result is Guilty because I say it is.

On March 31 2015 10:06 Holyflare wrote:
marv checked va dude just get on board with this

On March 31 2015 10:09 Holyflare wrote:
nah it's not, just get everyone to vote va and trust me

On March 31 2015 10:21 Holyflare wrote:
i want hapa to claim his night actions because something may have gone a bit crazy

On March 31 2015 11:06 Holyflare wrote:
im pretty sure slam is claiming he's got a role check on ritoky that says the name frank lol

aka another bus??

On March 31 2015 06:08 kitaman27 wrote:


Straight up making stuff up with me.

No sane host would make a role the way he describes.

On March 31 2015 11:16 Holyflare wrote:
so when do we stop believing lightningstrike?

On March 31 2015 11:34 Holyflare wrote:
why do you always ask these questions and never follow up kita?

On March 31 2015 13:10 justanothertownie wrote:

I don't give a shit. It is later than 6 am and you annoy me in pms begging for information when you yourself are giving me 0 information. You are the most secretive player I talked to in this game and it does not suit you because you are probably also one of the scummiest.
You apparently think I am town but you refuse to tell me slightest bit about your abilities yet you expect me to tell you how to use them - it is straight up pissing me the hell off. If you do something "dumb" while I am asleep I am lynching you/getting rid of you with all the fires in the world.
Good night.

On March 31 2015 13:13 Trfel wrote:
I haven't claimed to JAT?

On April 01 2015 00:38 LightningStrike wrote:

BH claimed that Chez(Marv) got a redcheck on VA before Chez's death.

On April 01 2015 03:35 rsoultin wrote:
LISTEN TO SLAM

WE NEED TO VOTE GLADOS

IF WE CAN'T AGREE TO VOTE VA THEN THERE IS NO REASON NOT TO VOTE GLADOS

On April 01 2015 04:09 yamato77 wrote:

I'm officially ignoring claims for all of my reads from here on out

On April 01 2015 05:38 justanothertownie wrote:
Has anyone pmed with Exo? Where the fuck is this guy?

On April 01 2015 05:58 Half the Sky wrote:


How long ago was this?

On April 01 2015 09:51 justanothertownie wrote:
.... I guess slam needs to die with fire then.

On April 01 2015 09:54 ExO_ wrote:
Yeah I don't think it has anything to do with what he was talking about. But he called the daytime vote at 24 hours, which was the ability I gave him during night 1.

I did mess up a bit, though I'm not going to explain how just yet. But that was the ability that should've been passed out to slam. Barring somebody somehow rerouting my shit in some way I cannot fathom, he would've gotten it.

On April 01 2015 09:56 ExO_ wrote:


No. I gave it to him.

On April 01 2015 10:48 justanothertownie wrote:

VA claims to have 2 abilities. Votesteal and KP.

On April 01 2015 10:50 Alakaslam wrote:
I WAS townsiding hard but you and kita would not work with me.

On April 03 2011 17:19 GMarshal wrote:
Welcome to Insane Mafia 2! you are the Planeswalker from the Seventh Dimension

You are out to stop the forces of evil that have invaded liquidia, you win when the necromancer , the lich and the undead horde are dead, if at any point those three players are dead you win and are removed from the game (you may first at your discretion trigger any of your powers, and/or kill up to 3 players)

to help you in your task you have 5 unique powers
1.) Dimensional Jump- at any point in the game you may jump one day in the future disappearing from the thread for 72 hours (one full day and night) and reappearing as if nothing had happened when that time is over. While you are gone you may not be the target of any effects, votes or powers you are effectivley considered to not be in the game. You may use this power once

2.) Temporal distortion- you immediately end the day and the night lasts as long as however many hours remained in the day + 24 hours. The player with the most votes is lynched as usual, any effects that would take place at the end of the day do so as usual . You may only use this power once

3.) One last shot- the first time you would be lynched the day is reset as if nothing had happened, if you are lynched again they you are out of luck and die as usual

4.) reflective plating- all kp targeted on you are reflected back at the person shooting them at you, this does not apply to explosives

5.) undead sense- if any undead player mentions you in their quick topic you are immediately notified of their identity

On April 02 2015 00:31 rsoultin wrote:
yo, people who aren't sitting around with their heads up their rectums and realize that me being cut off from communication is probably not something a town player did to me, talk to me about why you're scumreading who you are

i'm filter-diving @.@

On April 02 2015 00:37 rsoultin wrote:


right at beginning of night phase

On April 02 2015 00:49 Koshi wrote:

Well. It is night and I could die but I can not hardtry. Just know that I am sure. Like... The true Koshi sure. Which isn't a 100% thing but I am just sure. I know it in my hearth he is mafia.

Here is the tldr version.

WoS:

1) reads
yamato read was horrible. I think it might be mafia lazyness, a bit too quickly answered.
VA read was wrong. I do not believe a townie makes such a read, such a construction.
Hapa read was a slip imo. Hapa too easy to read when he starts posting.

2) emotionless
WoS is a whiny bitch when he is town. This is pure meta but I know I am right. After 100 hours into a thread it mostly shows.

3) disconnected
His posts are disconnected from the thread. WoS is more a in the thread guy. I made the argument D1 already with WoS and kita.

On April 02 2015 01:40 VisceraEyes wrote:

Like why are you focusing on this instead of deciding who the best lynches are?

On April 02 2015 01:50 yamato77 wrote:

Yes kita is both out of touch with the thread and obsessed with knowing/talking about other people's roles.

Consider Hapa. Who did he claim to? Me, HF, JAT, and kita. Who is the odd man out here?

On April 02 2015 01:18 Koshi wrote:
xfire his fake role is pretty fucking brilliant (the 0.5kp and the getting stronger when counterpart is killed). I dont' believe it is fake. I think he probably evolved like this. I did not read the thread too closely but when wanting to lynch somebody I would seriously read what he is writing. It is completely off I think, and I think you can proof it.

On April 02 2015 02:48 rsoultin wrote:
but those are the only two names i'm aware of that were put forward. kita said va couldn't be the shot...

come to think of it, why was that, kita?

On April 02 2015 02:56 justanothertownie wrote:

Could you into a little more detail about the damdred thing?

On April 02 2015 03:01 rsoultin wrote:


if a mafia damdred claims a role contingent on ls living...then the mafia is unlikely to kill ls. that's kind of elementary. ls' role is more dangerous if he's dead as i understand the way it functions

On April 02 2015 03:06 rsoultin wrote:


kita all his checks get revealed when ls dies

On April 02 2015 05:32 justanothertownie wrote:

Look at the picture he posted. It isn't important.

On April 02 2015 06:12 Damdred wrote:
The other person I sent it to told me he would rather me post it in the thread right before resolution and I know resolution took an hour and I was watching the timer and posted it then he laughed at me and told me I still had an hour <<.

And no I don't have a concrete answer that bad reputation is 100% mafia.

On April 02 2015 06:16 Damdred wrote:
Honestly kita, you know you are 100% town so why are we getting two vastly different results from the item? Does it make rsoultin mafia to you?

On April 02 2015 06:28 ExO_ wrote:


Doesn't the entirely exclude the 3P possibility?

On April 02 2015 06:29 kitaman27 wrote:


I'm not 3P.

On April 02 2015 06:59 kitaman27 wrote:
Leaning Town
LightningStrike - Has a towny sounding role claim. I'm still assuming he gets shot at some point so I haven't looked at him a ton.
Onegu - Claimed role in thread and tries to work with cleric to produce gun on d1. Transparency typically a townie trait...though it would be nice to figure out why his role didn't work n1.
justanothertownie - Active in PMs and trying to solve things. Would re-evaluate closer to to lylo, but seems town.
rsoultin - Seems town. Would be another that I'd re-evaluate closer to lylo. Maybe damdred's item tells us something.

Towny/Null
WaveofShadow - Has a day vig shot and PMs others asking how it should be used. It's possible that he was looking for people to tell him to shoot hapa, but like I said earlier if I had his role I'd simply use it on whoever is the biggest threat to mafia, which wasn't an afk hapa.

Koshi - Town based on activity and giving out reads and pushing them often. If there is a mafia playing the endgame role, then he likely is the one for paranoia reasons that I'm not going to entertain right now.

Half the Sky - Provided a claim pretty easily. Mafia typically don't give out information they don't need to since it comes back to hurt them if they're caught lying. I haven't looked at her content wise in a long time. I probably should do my due diligence if I survive the night.

Keirathi - According to JAT, he was pretty willing to cooperate in solving things via PM.

Snarfs - Not going to deny its anything other than his willingness to claim his role early.

Crossfire99 - As I said earlier, he bread crumbed strongbad so if Moriarty is mafia like we assume, that would mean mafia is checking a different mafia player who is actually strongbad, which makes both xfire and that other mafia player outed if any role cop reveals the true strongbad. His actual posts have little value and he hasn't done a ton to try to help town aside from the fake death and I was scummy null on him before the death, but I'd put others higher on the chopping board.

Blazinghand - Well the whole Lestrade/Moriarty thing suggest town if Moriarty is mafia. Moriarty hasn't claimed so that seems to be the assumption to make for now. Thought he looked mafia on day one based on the quotes I posted.

Null

ObiWanShinobi - Claims a role that was mafia in a previous teamliquid game. Not sure how to interpret this. At one people he was asking several times if people were around to chat, which he also did in one of his mafia games. Really small sample size here though. When we did exchange PM's he asked me about my mason ability, which was about the least relevant thing in the game considering everyone was a d2 mason. He did give up the claim willingly, so there is that.

Exo_ - Maybe townie null. Admits to own the day ending thing so thats a plus for him.

Other
Ran out of time on these two (I blame damdred). One or both may be mafia by process of elimination.

yamato77

VisceraEyes

Leaning Mafia

batsnacks - I honestly can't remember a game where I've read him as town, but I still think he is mafia. Shows no willingness to cooperate in PM land. In the thread, he doesn't have any town tells. He is going after easy targets, that a lot of other people would consider 50/50 coinflip reasons. Seems like he is picking the side of the coin he wants to view things as.

Sepulchre - He goes out of his way to tell me that he spent his entire day on xfire post flip analysis and how it is all wasted. Seems like it may be a situation where he is trying to push the idea that he couldn't possibly have known that xfire wasn't actually mafia (if xfire is indeed not actually mafia).

VayneAuthority - Claims a plansewalker role similar to Hapa, but only reveals two roles. I questioned the claim because it didn't make sense, especially compared to Hapa's flip. He explains there was a third role, but it is a "passive that he doesn't know how it works so he can't share". That seems pretty sketchy especially because he was withholding that part upon first claiming. I didn't like how he posted how I was 100% town and "I thought kita had a brain but apparently he is brainwashed too" when I first suggested how he likely had more than two roles. He changed his tune when I provided evidence that he had more than two. A lot of this comes down to whether or not marv actually checked him. It's annoying that marv didn't take advantage of PMs to reveal his target to his number one town read.

3p/mafia:

Alakaslam - Slam has played the blatant anti-town role before. Either way he totally wrecked day two so he most certainly needs to be held accountable. In PMs, he admitted to making up the stuff about BH being lynched killing off the mayor. Look closer at that if he flips red at any point. He also claims to need to kill JAT as part of his win condition, but that's probably another lie. Don't assume 3P because he is almost certainly anti-town based on his actions.

Other 3p claims:
Holyflare - There were others that I said I would re-evaluate closer to lylo, but he is someone worth re-evaluating much sooner than that, but probably not until the first couple mafia are flipped (hopefully that actually happens -_-)

Damdred - It probably goes without saying that I don't trust him. He promised a gun on n1, but didn't deliver. As far as I know, that gun didn't end up anywhere unless mafia is holding on to it or he was lying. As I mentioned earlier though, it seems weird that a mafia damdred would claim to need to kill gordon and then need an excuse if gordon is still around. His excuse for using the item is suspect as I'm one of the two players he claims to have trusted enough to tell about the day vig, but then suddenly he doesn't trust me so he wants to check me with this item that may or may not exist.

Trfel - Really should pressure him to dual on n3, since I wasn't able to get things going tonight. How come we can't get any pro-town 3p claims? -_-

On April 02 2015 08:17 batsnacks wrote:
N1 I sent out a soul fragment to ritoky that targets two players' PMs, if they were negative reputation they could pm if they were good reputation they couldn't pm. I didn't realize it wound up with damdred somehow, I just figured ritoky took it to the grave.

On April 02 2015 09:11 justanothertownie wrote:

Yes please. Your opinion on those would be really appreciated. There are only so many people left on your list if you know what I mean.

On April 02 2015 09:15 batsnacks wrote:


I fine with lynching damdred if he's lying but I don't think voting him now is going to help anything. He either is or isn't and we'll find out soon enough.

@kitaman That's all the info I have about the soul fragment: negative reputation = can pm, good reputation = can't pm

On April 02 2015 09:19 batsnacks wrote:


No, I figured it wasn't related to me. The reason I sent it to ritoky, aside from townreading him, is because I figured as an item dealer he would have more knowledge about game mechanics.

On April 02 2015 09:53 batsnacks wrote:


How am I supposed to "figure it out?" I posted everything I know in the thread already.

I'm not going to vote kita just because he has a "bad reputation." If "bad reputation" = mafia then the power would just say "mafia" and not "bad reputation."

On March 31 2015 04:14 yamato77 wrote:

Koshi is town, no worries.

On March 31 2015 11:45 yamato77 wrote:

I mean, the static nature of his reads and his lack of re-evaluation worry me. He's tunnelled super hard and I'm the object of it. It's kind of disconcerting.

On April 02 2015 11:25 Damdred wrote:
Anyeay I want lying about the item and who I used it on obviously its not based ok name flavor meh, it actually had the opposite reaction I expected from it

On April 02 2015 12:05 VayneAuthority wrote:
am I exempt from this since you think im mafia purely based on my role

(seriously?)

On April 02 2015 12:20 Keirathi wrote:
Oh, I also don't entirely agree with your Damdred thing. Or rather, I think you're misrepresenting it a bit.



I think the point was he was using it kind of like a parity cop check and he thought you were the townie one and rsoultin was the scum one. He had told me in PMs that he thought she might not be town, and I think said it in the thread at some point too?

On April 02 2015 12:22 batsnacks wrote:
@kita A lot of those reads are based on happenings in PM land. There are pieces of your reads on koshi, snarfs, crossfire, me, OWS, and VA that I can disagree with but I'm glad you shared them regardless I guess?

On March 30 2015 02:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
My issue with snarfs is the really "pro-town" intro post with a complete lack of followup with regard to actually finding mafia and deciding on a lynch target as a town. Like, his whole thing was "I want a Warrior who will lynch according to the majority decision" but has opted out of discussing who actually IS mafia or who SHOULD be lynched today, all day.

On March 29 2015 06:19 VisceraEyes wrote:

Keir you're spending a really disproportionate amount of time trying to discredit everything I post. For a "meta master" you're really underwhelming this game. Consider yourself moved down to the "lynch" list.

On March 31 2015 04:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
I AND A FEW OTHERS HAAAAAVVVVVEEEEEE BEEN TALKING ABOUT KEIRATHI, AND YAMATO SAYS THAT HE'S NOT BEING TALKED ABOUT! HAAAAAAAAVVVVVVEEEEEEE BEEN TALKING ABOUT KEIRATHI BEING MAFIA AND IT'S BEING IGNORED BY THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE FUCKING GAME!!!!!

On March 31 2015 09:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Vote: VayneAuthority

May he rest in peace.

On March 31 2015 09:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
I mean I thought he was quasi scummy yesterday and mostly absent. I'm assuming a check, honestly.

On April 01 2015 02:54 VisceraEyes wrote:

I'm......removing my vote from VA. BH smells fishy and with all the bussing supposedly going on EVEN IF we believe that VA was marv's target, there's no guarantee that's who the check was on ultimately.

On April 03 2015 00:30 justanothertownie wrote:
Sep, yamato, VE, JAT, snarfs plus the 3p claims that aren't verifiable

@snarfs are you opposed to revealing your role? Seems to be a valid discussion topic.

On April 03 2015 00:38 justanothertownie wrote:
Even if I had a good idea about the scumteam me saying this might influence mafias actions today and right now this is not needed.
If you want input on your reads I can do that in a minute.

On April 02 2015 13:41 Crossfire99 wrote:
For realz though. I got a bunch of town reads and I'm trying to do some poe, so I think some scum gotta be in this list: keir, HtS, VE, yamato, sep, VA, bat, and kita.

On April 03 2015 03:14 Alakaslam wrote:

I have like 5! Again, my role is not hard.

Any two of the following:
Elect Rsoultin (mr underwood): check
Kill a role from a former GreYMisT game role: failed
Lynch GLaDOS: unlikely
Steal three items: decided that was unlikely and wanted to townside
Frame someone the night they were checked: wanted to townside
Be acted on by the time-traveling perfectionist: Beyond my control
Two Planeswalkers die before performing their ultimates: Beyond my control
Survive my NK ability: had to townside to be possible
That's off the top of my head; didn't have time to check my pm

On April 03 2015 02:15 yamato77 wrote:
I literally don't care about the outcome of this game any longer

On April 02 2015 09:13 justanothertownie wrote:


Yes please. Your opinion on those would be really appreciated. There are only so many people left on your list if you know what I mean.

On April 03 2015 01:04 Snarfs wrote:
I mentioned VE as possible scum during last day/night and was instantly told that's not possible so I'm assuming there are PMs or something that confirm him town?

On April 03 2015 04:22 Half the Sky wrote:
The numbers I pulled were straight from the database thread. Unless the statistics reported to Kitaman were wrong.

On April 03 2015 04:20 Half the Sky wrote:


According to wikipedia, it's a negative connotation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strong_Bad



Another reason Crossfire is likely scum. Zing.

On April 03 2015 04:50 Keirathi wrote:

This makes no fucking sense.

It was outed to the thread that he would announce ALL of his checks to the thread when he died. Therefore mafia literally COULDN'T LEAVE HIM ALIVE. Tracking him was completely useless and I have a hard time thinking you didn't think that through.