Aperture Mafia 4: This Time it's Personal

On March 28 2015 08:08 Keirathi wrote:

Scum #1

1/X down, X-1 more to go.

On March 28 2015 08:02 Keirathi wrote:
Why? Because I'm the best fucking player to ever grace these forums. I am 100% right 100% of the time. I'm the baddest of the badass warriors. I'm the fucking Mr.T of warriors.

On March 29 2015 06:15 Keirathi wrote:
Yea, that post is crap.

Why is BH town? Why is Hapa town? Why is Sepulchre town?

Why are any of those people scum?

Why are you just making a baseless list post that does absolutely nothing for the game? :o

On March 29 2015 09:37 Koshi wrote:
Jow Hapa. Please come and tell us how Kitaman is confirmed scum.

On March 29 2015 00:12 kitaman27 wrote:
emo koshi did show up in the recent Jack of all trades mafia as town. Not sure if he is trying to mimic the attitude or not. Either way, I'm fine with lynching any drama queens.

On March 29 2015 10:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hapa surely you must realize at this point you actually are a very likely candidate for lynch today with the way you've been playing. The fact that you know this and still haven't done anything actually further reinforces those scumpoints people have against you.

I've been patiently waiting for you to blow me away and you haven't.

On March 29 2015 10:14 kitaman27 wrote:




So when koshi makes this post, you expect me to be perfectly fine with it? I'm essentially saying if he refuses to play the game then we lynch him.

Are you saying that I should be perfectly fine with an afk koshi?

On March 29 2015 10:16 kitaman27 wrote:


But it's not. He did it as mafia and town. I said it happens both ways.

On March 29 2015 06:25 Trfel wrote:
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sicklucker

It's obvious that what sicklucker's play has been scummy. The question is whether or not it is alignment indicative. I think that it is.
Why would sicklucker do this?

• As town, sicklucker's claim is intended to get a confirmed town (himself) on the adventuring party. Another possibility is that he actually has extremely strong powers, and wants to ensure that he survives. It is possible that he did this for both of these motives.
  
• As mafia, sicklucker's claim is intended to try to get elected to the adventuring party, and to explain why he is not night killed in this game.

And the explanation for this play from town!sicklucker makes no sense.

Sicklucker didn't make any effort to push his campaign for the adventuring party. If he is willing to claim one of his abilities early on, I expect him to follow through and push this correctly. He posts the following:
+ Show Spoiler +
And doesn't mention it again. Clearly he gave up on his campaign very early on. And since he's already invested in it, this makes no sense. He clearly had no plan for pushing, and not even a desire to interact with people and explain himself.

Furthermore, sicklucker himself stated that he never gets night killed.So, if he really does have strong powers and needs to survive, he simply wouldn't say anything, and that would accomplish this for him.

In conclusion, sicklucker has a good chance of being mafia here. His play doesn't come from a town perspective.

On March 29 2015 16:06 Trfel wrote:
First off, apologies for this post being short. I'm rather sleepy, and I'm really busy tomorrow, so I can't guarantee much more from me until after the deadline.

I'm not convinced that LightningStrike is scum here. He made a bunch of null reads, but his early push on rsoultin was rather townie. He seems to be trying hard in this game, and I don't want to lynch him.

For now, I think that Holyflare is the best vote. He seems very towny, and he has been actively leading the thread. He's also said many of the same thoughts that I have had. His lynch candidates also generally line up with mine. I also trust Holyflare with whatever abilities are given to him by the adventuring party role.

##vote Holyflare

I personally like a sicklucker lynch. He's basically claimed third party.

As for Hapahauli: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.........................

I don't want to lynch Half the Sky yet, either. I am fairly confident in reading her in a longer game, using the tell that Holyflare developed: "boring Half the Sky is mafia". I am not convinced that Half the Sky has been given enough time to be interesting in this game yet.

On March 30 2015 04:10 Holyflare wrote:


"town are generally looking for mafia"
"in the first post trfel concludes that sicklucker is mafia"

what hapa? didn't sl claim 3p after trfel made that post?

On March 30 2015 04:18 Holyflare wrote:


no hapa still, that post was awful, his reads aren't "non committal" like hapa is stating, he town reads ls quite hard and has the same read on hapa as everyone else in the game and same with hts (before someone found out her pre-game excuse or w/e)

he also says that town generally like to find mafia first and his first post was that trfel called sicklucker mafia......?

i don't get it at all

On March 30 2015 04:32 Keirathi wrote:
Yo Hapa, am I scum? Gogo.

On March 28 2015 08:27 Sepulchre wrote:
Thinking about it, the cleric is probably the most important role of the three.
I'm not very concerned about the rogue, the no-lynch is practically impossible to use without him eating rope the next day.

So I will focus on getting town people on positions 3 and 1. Finding mafia would be a plus, but seems secondary.

On March 29 2015 21:57 Sepulchre wrote:
@Holyflare's listpost: I disagree heavily with batsnacks, I'd put him next to WaveofShadow personally. I'm somewhat okay with the rest of the list to varying degrees.

The two people who said Hapahauli is a Jester-type role I read as very town. It fits perfectly the kind of wtf play he has been doing and I think no mafia would say that in this situation - Hapahauli was (and is I suppose) the prime lynch target and as mafia they wouldn't care one bit about that, so long as it's not a mafia member getting lynched.

Between rsoultin and VayneAuthority I think VayneAuthority seems like the smarter guy. So I'll vote him now since I can't fully guarantee being back before the deadline.

On March 30 2015 05:15 Koshi wrote:

I forgot WoS. That guy is seriously mafia.

On March 30 2015 05:16 Holyflare wrote:
hapa is totes trying to buddy me by copying what i said already

On March 30 2015 05:20 Koshi wrote:
Hapa, you are still mafia because if I am wrong on everything you are just sheeping thread sentiment.

On March 30 2015 05:25 Keirathi wrote:
So Hapa:

Why did you fuck off for the last 44 hours? You obviously were around and varying points and still did absolutely nothing. What gives?

On March 30 2015 05:36 justanothertownie wrote:

This will surely change my mind.

On March 30 2015 05:40 justanothertownie wrote:

No, but him being the way he is towards Koshi is. It reminds me of his behaviour towards me in YOSO and also of some cell game he was mafia in (?).

On March 30 2015 05:46 Chezitwo wrote:
The irony is palpable

On March 30 2015 06:06 Crossfire99 wrote:
Why does it seem like we are getting away from a Hapa lynch?



Why didn't you tell us this previously? This just seems like an retroactive explanation for why you actively refused to play. If you were really busy, tell us then instead of making the purposely trolly posts which show you are "following" the thread but are just refusing to play.

On March 30 2015 06:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


We have no reason to believe you'll actually kill yourself. >:|

On March 30 2015 06:21 Crossfire99 wrote:

I agree that it is really obvious to tell if you're mafia, but allowing to let you live if you're mafia is allowing you to use your role, allowing a potential mislynch to replace your lynch, so I'm not sold on the wait and see approach.

On March 30 2015 06:25 LightningStrike wrote:

Hapa because what I said in his filter he done jack shit early on and the fact that he only decided to play with very little time left in the Day I think it fits more of a scum type of play to do stuff at EoD area.

On March 30 2015 06:30 LightningStrike wrote:

Let's see I had read your filter and talked to others about you. Why should I consider you to be town?

On March 30 2015 06:32 Koshi wrote:
That being said. I have 0 problems with a snarf shot. But I need to know why the fuck we are lynching him because I haven't heard anybody say something really smart about a snarf lynch.

kita hapa hf JAT

What are your opinions on this snarf lynch?

I want them on paper. I want to read them.

On March 30 2015 06:34 kitaman27 wrote:








While I share your opinion about Trefl, I don't understand how you can say the sicklucker post was good on its own.

Based on the three quotes above, how does the justification for a mafia sicklucker look good, when he refutes it in his own set of posts?

As I was telling HF, your townyness usually becomes apparent if you actually put effort in the game and get shot shortly after. Do you intend to use PMs to their fullest extent tonight and be active on day two or do you anticipate being unavailable?

On March 30 2015 06:38 kitaman27 wrote:


While the idea is bad in theory, do you think a mafia Sepul opens by saying "Finding mafia would be a plus, but seems secondary"?

On March 30 2015 06:39 LightningStrike wrote:

I disagree with your read on Wave he played very similarly in Student VI at least from what I remember coaching two players there...

and your Sep read might be off because he already about the same filter length as his last town game in JOAT so I thinking that alone makes him town.

On March 30 2015 06:42 rsoultin wrote:
Okay snarfs has been submitted as our lynch

On March 30 2015 06:45 rsoultin wrote:


15 mins i think? if we have over an hour and opinions change i'll just send another pm lol

On March 30 2015 06:49 Damdred wrote:
Oh I thought we only had 10 minutes ok that makes me feel better a bit.

Ok so hapa what do you think between Trfel and snarfs

On March 29 2015 16:06 Trfel wrote:
First off, apologies for this post being short. I'm rather sleepy, and I'm really busy tomorrow, so I can't guarantee much more from me until after the deadline.

I'm not convinced that LightningStrike is scum here. He made a bunch of null reads, but his early push on rsoultin was rather townie. He seems to be trying hard in this game, and I don't want to lynch him.

For now, I think that Holyflare is the best vote. He seems very towny, and he has been actively leading the thread. He's also said many of the same thoughts that I have had. His lynch candidates also generally line up with mine. I also trust Holyflare with whatever abilities are given to him by the adventuring party role.

##vote Holyflare

I personally like a sicklucker lynch. He's basically claimed third party.

As for Hapahauli: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.........................

I don't want to lynch Half the Sky yet, either. I am fairly confident in reading her in a longer game, using the tell that Holyflare developed: "boring Half the Sky is mafia". I am not convinced that Half the Sky has been given enough time to be interesting in this game yet.

On March 30 2015 06:58 kitaman27 wrote:


Could you justify this post hapa? When referencing several other players, you attack them for not looking for mafia. Why is BH the exception?

On March 30 2015 06:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hi guys

On March 30 2015 07:00 kitaman27 wrote:


At what point would you consider something BH does alignment indicative?

On March 30 2015 07:32 Sepulchre wrote:
I don't really see why Trfel is suddenly the lynch.
I also don't see why everybody moved off Hapahauli. He came in, called 2-3 of the easiest people in this game to call mafia mafia without adding anything.
His post on Trfel is just fingerpointing him for saying "sicklucker basically claimed 3p" and running away with the most damning conjecture. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/481138-aperture-mafia-4-this-time-its-personal?page=109#2161
I personally read Trfel's post as "my mafia suspect claimed 3p so now there is a 0% chance he is town, let's lynch him", which is the far more apparant interpretation.
Hapahauli doesn't even consider that, and I will randomly add the most damning conjecture here, because he doesn't care about lynching mafia he's just trying to survive.

I haven't read all of the thread so maybe some people have better reasons for lynching Trfel. If you do I'd appreciate a link, or at least the name of the guy so I can check for myself.
As is I think Trfel is just getting lynched because he's afk. Which is ok I guess but don't disguise it as something more than a coinflip.

On March 30 2015 07:41 Alakaslam wrote:

How hte hell many medics do we have?

WAIT I DONT WANT TO FIND OUT FIRST

How the hell can I make an informed risk/payoff decision then?

Nah.

On March 30 2015 07:52 Trfel wrote:
Wait, this is why I am being lynched???

This makes no sense. Town needs to eliminate third party. And again, I would take a very good chance at killing third party over a random shot at killing mafia.

I didn't make a read on Hapahauli, I didn't make a read on Half the Sky. My "zzzz" about Hapahauli both means that I was bored of his play (he wasn't doing anything), and I was extremely bored of all of the focus and discussion about him. As for Half the Sky, I want her to not be lynched so I have more time to read her. I feel that she is easy to read after some time, but with her being busy for the first portion of the game, that time wasn't provided.

I stood up to the wave of people trying to lynch LightningStrike. And you call that non-committal? If LightningStrike is lynched and flips mafia, I look really bad for that.

On March 31 2015 10:24 Holyflare wrote:
what DID you do

On April 01 2015 00:09 rsoultin wrote:
lol

frankly if he doesn't want to "risk" anything you just don't use your power to begin with

not rocket science

are you dumb hapa or do you just think we are?

On April 01 2015 00:36 LightningStrike wrote:
That sarcasm :O