EPTAperture Mafia 4: This Time it's Personal
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Crossfire99
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On March 26 2015 12:24 kitaman27 wrote: Fake PM logs with flipped players are fun though! + Show Spoiler + On September 28 2011 07:36 kitaman27 wrote: Ok so here is the deal. EVERYONE READ THIS POST Radfield masoned me on night one. Nobody can counter claim this. I didn't claim it earlier because I wanted to trap mafia. Obviously, they would have known that I was in contact with him so they would be weary of going after me knowing that I had the claim in my back pocket. Tonight, we lynch the serial killer choaser. Tomorrow, we clean up based on today's mess. Here are my logs. Radfied played it very carefully. He gave me hardly any reads and mainly bussed his own teammates. Its possible I may have missed something however. Everyone should be switching over to chaoser now. Kurumi Hey there, what are your thoughts on the game so far? Sauron lol hai, who is this? Kurumi I think its best if we remained anonymous for now. Sauron Err, but you just targetted me as a mason didn't you? So don't you know who I am? Kurumi No, my role is different from the one Wiggles flipped as having. My targets are chosen at random. I think its best if our identites remain hidden. I don't know if I can trust you yet. Sauron Heh ok, I'll play along, yet the only person I can imagine would ever mason me is jcarl <3 So are masoned for the rest of the game or do you pick a new target each cycle? Kurumi Only for today. What do you think about last night's hits? Sauron Wait, so you can pick a target each cycle? Kurumi No, like I said, it is randomly chosen for me. Sauron Well there seems to be 4kp, which seems like a lot for mafia to have in a 3 player game. There might be a vig or a SK who shot last night. Sauron lol nevermind, I'm dumb. The lynch from yesterday was included in the day post -_- Is there anyone that stands out to you so far? Kurumi Radfield and DoctorHelvetica should have been shot last night. They are the far more experienced players compared to the group of players that mafia went after. That alone makes me think we should keep on eye on them. JeeJee, jackal, kitaman27, and Palmar all should be contributing more at this point. Sauron chaoser claimed to have been shot. Do you buy it? I don't see why mafia would risk a role claim as vet after night one, but he has been known to make fake claims in the past. Also, what do you make of this: A message has been delivered to all within the realm! The message reads: Fdehfq ht Ytxm Kurumi chaoser hasn't claimed vet. At this point, I think it's a null tell. The message is a distraction to town. It should be ignored for now. Sauron Does that mean you think it comes from scum? Kurumi I don't know, but its pointless to speculate. Who do you plan to push today for the lynch? Sauron I might have a couple people in mind, but I'm going to hold off for now. How about you? Kurumi DoctorHelvetica's play so far has been extremely inconsistant. I'm really not liking how he has played so far. What do you think? Sauron What in particular do you not like from DrH? I agree he probably would be a likely day one night shot if he were town. The way he was responding to people on day one makes me think he might have something to hide. sadroba as scum can be really tricky. After missing day 1, I'm worried he might continue making minimal contributions. There are also a bunch of lurkers that really need to start posting more. Its hard to get a read on them, when they only have a bunch of one liners. chaos has also been pretty useless thus far. What do you think about kita's analysis? Sauron hmm apparently it seems like chaos is quitting. Do you think he is serious or is that just an act to gain town cred? Sauron lol guess that answers that -_- Hopefully DrH flipping will give us something for day two. Kurumi Yes, filtering through his posts is a good idea. This post in particular I find strange: "Greymist straight up asking for the ring day 1 doesn't bode well for him. ##Vote Greymist" As scum, why is he placing his vote on Greymist for such weak reasons? I'm thinking his goal on day one might have been to distance himself from his scumbuddies. I might not be around a computer for a while, but I'll try to come up with a few suspects when I'm back. Town really needs to start narrowing down the suspect list. Sauron Maybe, DrH is a good enough player to plan something like that ahead of time, but I'm not really sure about that post in particular. Sauron Heh iGrok's claim sure did come out of nowhere. What do you think? The timing of his claim is rather weird, since he wasn't really under much pressure. Even if he is telling the truth, he needs to shoot tonight, or else he can use the kp against town later on. Sauron lol a day vig? It looks like he survived, so either syllo is lying about his claim or iGrok was fake claiming. Sauron Now I'm completely lost. Why on earth would draz protect iGrok on night one? All he had was a handfull of one liners and basically had no chance of getting hit. What do you think? Sauron You're not JeeJee are you? Don't get modkilled on me -_- Sauron lol nevermind, he would have flipped blue. >.< Kurumi Sorry, I am back. iGrok's claim makes absoultely no sense as scum. There is no way a mafia would make a claim like that on day two with only three votes on himself. Mafia all have safe claims. No sane scum would claim Barlog, which is clearly not town aligned. I'm thinking we should make him use his shot tonight and use it against the scumteam. Jackal or maybe supersoft would be much better lynches today. Radfield's analysis on Jackal seems pretty convincing, although I'm not sure how much he can be trusted. Sauron Jackal is someone I've also been pretty suspicious of. He is usually the most aggressive player in the game, yet he hasn't really showed that yet. When JeeJee posted a case against him, he completely ignored it, rather than responding or calling it out as a bad argument. lol I can probably narrow down your identity based on the people who haven't voted iGrok :p Kurumi Good luck with that. I'm out for a while, hopefully I come back to a scum lynch. Sauron Oh, are we allowed to still talk after the day ends? As in can we talk during the night before you get a new target? Kurumi Yep. Sauron err doh. At least he was a miller, rather than vanilla or blue. Sauron Any thoughts on who we should be having iGrok shoot tonight? I wonder if he will agree to shoot himself -_- Kurumi He needs to decide who he thinks is most likely scum. We can't claim in the thread because if we tell him to shoot a scum, then the mafia could roleblock him. Sauron I suppose, but at least that would mean mafia wouldn't have a role block to use on anybody else. Kurumi It's fine if you don't want to, but do you want to role claim to me? You don't have to tell me who you are. I won't share it with anybody else, but it might be useful to be able to form a town circle later on where we can coodinate everyones actions. Sauron there aren't pms in the game, besides your random mason. I don't really see how a town circle could be formed at this point. For now, I think I'll hold off on claiming. [b]Kurumi OK that's fine. I won't be back until the day post. Nice chatting with you  Anything else to add? [b]Sauron lol, cya. Maybe you'll get unlucky and get stuck with me again for another cycle ^_^ Didn't you also do fake pms in PTP IV? To which austinmcc then countered with real quotes from the scum qt? fun times lol | ||
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Crossfire99
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I'm so excited I had to type gibberish. This game will be crazy, I'm sure of it. | ||
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On March 28 2015 08:27 Sepulchre wrote: Thinking about it, the cleric is probably the most important role of the three. I'm not very concerned about the rogue, the no-lynch is practically impossible to use without him eating rope the next day. So I will focus on getting town people on positions 3 and 1. Finding mafia would be a plus, but seems secondary. We should have town in all 3 because they all get abilities and it goes by number of votes, so it might be difficult to ensure who exactly ends up where depending on the wagons. | ||
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On March 28 2015 09:56 sicklucker wrote: Ok so I have veteran powers and im never a nk. So ill just hardclaim so we have a confirmed town as mayor Like I don't even know what to say to this. Ugh. If you really wanted to make the most of your role and be the best town you could be, then you should have tried to play well so you would get night killed assuming you are telling the truth. This is just so ridiculous...I don't care how bad you think you are. Just try and don't do stuff like this. | ||
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On March 28 2015 10:09 Koshi wrote: shiet crossfire is playing in a GreYmist game. And...? | ||
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Right now I'd probably vote for one of rsoultin, HF, kita and keir because I think they're town. I'm more confident in my rsoultin and HF reads because they're very active, interacting with everyone, and trying to figure out alignments. | ||
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On March 29 2015 12:02 Holyflare wrote: I am very very wary of Keirathi. He's pretty low down. I may be wrong. To be fair I pretty much gave him most of his townie points for his read on me, but scum can always town read with very good accuracy lol. I'll have to keep a watch on him them and make sure I don't blindly assume he's town without reassessing. | ||
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On March 29 2015 12:12 LightningStrike wrote: Also Crossfire check the entire database for all my games played plus XXX Mafia and Jack of all Trades Mafia and tell me how I am scum. I don't feel like doing that much work nor do I think it will be particularly helpful. I haven't played with a decent number of the players here and I doubt I'd be able to really understand each person's meta. I'm not the greatest at reading meta for people I haven't played with a lot and trying to determine meta from just reading filters is pretty difficult and can lead to erroneous conclusions because I don't understand the context. | ||
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Crossfire99
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On March 29 2015 12:27 Koshi wrote: No. That is not it. HTS says VA is town. She correctly says VA tends to care less as mafia. She is right about the fact VA does like to keep active people alive if it doesn't hurt his win chances. Wos his reply starts with "That's not so true anymore honestly." But it totally is. So that is already odd. But then he goes on about how he can read VA and how VA is town. (which is already the same read as HTS, strange way how WoS formulates his post just to come to the same conclusion on VA) But then he adds that VA is hard to catch as mafia till the endgame and that we THEREFORE shouldn't lynch him? WHY? HTS reads VA as town. WoS reads VA as town. NOBODY WANTS TO LYNCH VA. HTS didn't say that VA cares less as mafia. She said the opposite. On March 29 2015 09:17 Half the Sky wrote: VA tends to not do as much as town but tries hard a bit more as scum from what I understand. I'd say a slight town lean for now. Night kills might be a way to ferret him out - as scum, he tends to be a fan of a "shit up the thread" strategy, so the deaths of people who aren't doing much could potentially be a red flag. I know he mentioned something of the sort in the past. | ||
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Has batsnacks been town and tried before at all? I know nothing about him, but actually trying and participating with thoughts is usually a good sign, no? | ||
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On March 29 2015 12:54 rsoultin wrote: he has: carol the game is linked in my profile ^^ bat traps lol he caught ritoky with one I'm ok with leaving him alone for now. I'll reevaluate later. There are more important targets like Hapa or Lightning right now. | ||
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On March 29 2015 13:13 Holyflare wrote: Ls unfortunately i still need to lynch you unless you can steer me in a better direction that isn't koshi. Is there a reason you want LS over hapa? | ||
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On March 29 2015 13:17 Holyflare wrote: Well hapa is just flat out afk and i don't play with him at all so don't know if flat out afk is normally scummy for him (well it is scummy in comparison to his town game) or an anomaly but would still probably lynch him regardless. It doesn't give much info compared to ls who is active though and people have stances on. But it isn't like he is just afk. He hasn't been around much, yes, but when he's been here over the span of a few hours (not necessarily saying he was here the whole time, just around a few times in that time period) he hasn't said and been purposely not trying. On March 29 2015 10:12 Hapahauli wrote: Thankfully, I'm not. I'm in Ritoky and VE's townlist. EZ gaem. On March 29 2015 10:20 Hapahauli wrote: This posting is boring me. Let me know when the lynching starts, and I'll start playing. | ||
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On March 29 2015 13:44 rsoultin wrote: I HASH A THEORY! there is a role dadumdum whose win condition is to >> << GET LYNCHED!! nah seriously i have no other explanation for hapa's behavior ^^; That's called a jester. If I'm remembering correctly from my previous conversations with GreY, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't put that role in a game (not 100% sure on this). It is kinda of a lame role outside of special situations like that micro 5 person game (forget what it's called) where it serves a useful purpose and makes the game fun. | ||
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On March 30 2015 05:30 Hapahauli wrote: I had a fairly busy two days, so I was actively trying to detach myself from the thread to preserve my sanity. To force myself to "not give a shit" if you will. I really didn't want to be thinking about this mafia game for the last two days. It certainly worked. Personally anyway. As for the negative effects, I think ~50 hours is plenty of time to get suspicion off of me. Why didn't you tell us this previously? This just seems like an retroactive explanation for why you actively refused to play. If you were really busy, tell us then instead of making the purposely trolly posts which show you are "following" the thread but are just refusing to play. On March 30 2015 03:24 Holyflare wrote: If I don't lynch hapa I am claiming mafia quote this post + Show Spoiler + pending him doing some miraculous town rainbow shitting in which case my back up lynch will be <insert discussed target here> HF, hapa hasn't produced any town rainbows, so are you claiming mafia now? | ||
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On March 30 2015 05:24 rsoultin wrote: i'm still waiting on those super townie posts you were talking about that had you put hapa on your list to begin with rit Why not vote for someone more relevant and in your town circle? On March 30 2015 03:52 rsoultin wrote: i've said it before and i'll say it again, as long as the three are from my town circle: holyflare, koshi, batsnacks, alakslam, onegu, myself i don't really care. but we still need to nail down the lynch. if someone has a good reason to townread hapa (ritoky this is directed at you here dude) please out with it I thought I was going to vote for HF or rsoultin, but they both to have seemed to change their minds on hapa, so I'm not sure who I should vote for now. | ||
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On March 30 2015 06:17 Hapahauli wrote: I've tried stuff like that before. In many games, I post pre-game that "oh, I won't be as active because I'm busy etc etc", and then I end up try-harding anyway because I can't get the game off my mind. So I tried something different. Woop. But the main reason that people are moving away from my lynch is that it's generally really fucking obvious to tell if I'm mafia when I'm posting for an extended amount of time. In 48 hours, it should be pretty easy to tell my alignment. And if for whatever reason it isn't, my role allows me to kill myself on Day 3, so I'll save you from lynching me if I don't do my job. I agree that it is really obvious to tell if you're mafia, but allowing to let you live if you're mafia is allowing you to use your role, allowing a potential mislynch to replace your lynch, so I'm not sold on the wait and see approach. | ||
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On March 30 2015 06:19 Holyflare wrote: are you only voting on lynch targets and not townyness/scummyness? I mean if there are multiple options for the fighter and one says to lynch someone who I think is town and the other says to lynch someone who I think is scum, I'll go with the latter. Townyness and scummyness do matter, but I want a town person who is likely to lynch someone who I think is scum. | ||
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