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On April 02 2015 09:53 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 09:50 Keirathi wrote:
At the VERY LEAST, you should know that that means kita has a "bad reputation", whatever that means.
Why aren't you trying to figure it out and just ignoring it? How am I supposed to "figure it out?" I posted everything I know in the thread already. I'm not going to vote kita just because he has a "bad reputation." If "bad reputation" = mafia then the power would just say "mafia" and not "bad reputation."
My point is that even if I didn't have any clue what "bad reputation" meant exactly in this game, but I had that item and got those results, I would still immediately be super suspicious of kita and be trying to figure out whether that meant he was scum. Not just ignoring the "bad reputation" check.
But fine, we'll come at this from a different angle.
What do you think of kita? And I dont just mean "he's town" or "he's scum". Some reasoning, please.
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On April 02 2015 10:10 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 10:01 Keirathi wrote:On April 02 2015 09:53 batsnacks wrote:On April 02 2015 09:50 Keirathi wrote:
At the VERY LEAST, you should know that that means kita has a "bad reputation", whatever that means.
Why aren't you trying to figure it out and just ignoring it? How am I supposed to "figure it out?" I posted everything I know in the thread already. I'm not going to vote kita just because he has a "bad reputation." If "bad reputation" = mafia then the power would just say "mafia" and not "bad reputation." My point is that even if I didn't have any clue what "bad reputation" meant exactly in this game, but I had that item and got those results, I would still immediately be super suspicious of kita and be trying to figure out whether that meant he was scum. Not just ignoring the "bad reputation" check. But fine, we'll come at this from a different angle. What do you think of kita? And I dont just mean "he's town" or "he's scum". Some reasoning, please. He claimed day mason d1 which was confirmed by HF. And kita was the one to disclose this, not HF. Claiming day mason d1 and masoning HF is setting yourself up for a massive uphill battle if you are scum imo. Also this is a really townie post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/481138-aperture-mafia-4-this-time-its-personal?page=92#1832I think that's enough not to lynch him over e.g. HTS who voted at the start of today based on information it will take 24 hours to know for sure (setting her up for more not-engaging the thread). Or slam who has probably been responsible for killing more townies than mafia.
Playing devil's advocate:
If we assume that kita is scum, then that post looks a lot like "discredit HF so I can get voted into the party instead", yes?
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My point is that a scum!kita wouldn't have any reason NOT to share it. For one, it buys him some town cred, but for two it helps him attempt to get elected to the party by making HF look worse.
Don't get me wrong, a town!kita would make that exact same post, I just don't have any trouble seeing scum!kita making it either because there's a ton of upside and literally zero downside.
The point about him masoning HF to begin with is pretty good though.
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On April 02 2015 11:14 Damdred wrote:
Meh you guys make me sad. I wish I had my gun back at least meh
Wat
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On April 02 2015 11:25 Damdred wrote:
My kp idk who got it would be hilarious if scum used my rifle on ls to see if I was fibbing and try to get another play out of the game.
Anyeay I want lying about the item and who I used it on obviously its not based ok name flavor meh, it actually had the opposite reaction I expected from it
What do you get for completing your contracts?
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On April 02 2015 12:00 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 11:25 Damdred wrote:
Anyeay I want lying about the item and who I used it on obviously its not based ok name flavor meh, it actually had the opposite reaction I expected from it I don't follow what you are saying here.
I think he's saying that he wasn't lying about using the soul fragment on you+rsoultin and that it doesn't work based on role name? And that he expected you to be the town one and rsoultin to be scum.
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I pretty much agree with every single person on your list, except maybe Onegu and Snarfs but those don't really have much reasoning and your reads are based on PM stuff that I don't have access to, just what's in the thread.
But i also think the whole pm block thing is really strange.
And I also am paranoid.
Mehhhhhhhhhh.
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Oh, I also don't entirely agree with your Damdred thing. Or rather, I think you're misrepresenting it a bit.
On April 02 2015 06:59 kitaman27 wrote:
Damdred - It probably goes without saying that I don't trust him. He promised a gun on n1, but didn't deliver. As far as I know, that gun didn't end up anywhere unless mafia is holding on to it or he was lying. As I mentioned earlier though, it seems weird that a mafia damdred would claim to need to kill gordon and then need an excuse if gordon is still around. His excuse for using the item is suspect as I'm one of the two players he claims to have trusted enough to tell about the day vig, but then suddenly he doesn't trust me so he wants to check me with this item that may or may not exist.
I think the point was he was using it kind of like a parity cop check and he thought you were the townie one and rsoultin was the scum one. He had told me in PMs that he thought she might not be town, and I think said it in the thread at some point too?
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On April 02 2015 12:28 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 12:10 Keirathi wrote:I pretty much agree with every single person on your list, except maybe Onegu and Snarfs but those don't really have much reasoning and your reads are based on PM stuff that I don't have access to, just what's in the thread. But i also think the whole pm block thing is really strange. And I also am paranoid. Mehhhhhhhhhh. So where would you put me and why?
Mostly I just don't have much of an opinion.
Although I forgot you were giving out the masks. Giving a medic mask to VE is....probably townie? Although I question your choice to give it to VE instead of like rsoultin or jat or something? I mean, I've been calling VE town all game, but that's mostly a tone read and not so much based on me thinking what he's done this game has been exceptionally pro-town or anything.
If VE isn't town, I would re-evaluate.
I guess that's a lot of words to say that I'm okay with you for now 
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On April 02 2015 13:41 Crossfire99 wrote:Hi guys I'm not dead. Don't know why. Ask HF why. I even checked with GreY and I'm supposed to be alive. Anyway to celebrate me be alive and not dying you should all watch this. I actually decided to do some work after taking the last 6 years off. + Show Spoiler +For realz though. I got a bunch of town reads and I'm trying to do some poe, so I think some scum gotta be in this list: keir, HtS, VE, yamato, sep, VA, bat, and kita. This is assuming that all the claimed 3rd party are 3rd party: HF, Trfel, damdred, and alakaslam. I'm not entirely sure if they're all 3rd party yet, though. Honestly, I'm lost on what all the 3rd party win conditions are (or supposedly are). HF is survivor, damdred is assassin?, Alakaslam is ???, and trfl is what? Out of the list of potential scum I'd feel most comfortable with either kita, VA, or Hts. Yes, I'm blatantly sheeping other peoples reads right now, but what can I do. I'm pretty lost honestly, and need some help lol. The thing I can add is that from pming with kita is that he definitely isn't as forthcoming with reads and stuff as say rsoultin was. Not sure if that says he's definitely scum but it's something. Kita, I just had a thought. What is your role name? This will help me figure out whether you're scum or not, so humor me. Random bits of information that I gathered. Pming with slam on night one he told me out of the blue, that ritoky is a powerful role and and could be scum PR or a 3P. Slam also said ritoky's name is Frank. All of that is wrong, but how did he know about Frank since that is rsoultin's role?
You just told me like 2 hours before the day flip that you agreed with me that HtS looked town. What changed?
Also that list of 3 looks strange considering HtS is hard-scumreading kita. How likely do you think it is that they are scum together?
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Also you said you were unsure about yamato and VE. Any updates?
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On April 03 2015 02:01 Crossfire99 wrote:
Lynch HtS or HF!
See my case on HtS. Ignore the part on why kita is mafia because it doesn't matter for what I said about her.
Also, HF is lying because I told him specifically what my power was and he lied about it. Also he never poisoned me.
But that was your whole case? That she was mafia because of how she interacted with kita.
And that marv called her scummy in the early part day 1 I guess. There's been a lot of game since day 1, though. What makes you so sure that he was right?
On April 03 2015 00:48 Crossfire99 wrote:
What changed is that I had a chance to reread filters of 100% confirmed townies who are now dead. You know when you don't have a strong impression either way on someone, and when someone tells you how they are reading someone it colors how you read them? When you explained why you thought she was town, I reread her, but what you said was in my head, so I read her as town. I reread her now with what dead confirmed townies think of her and it's enough for me to change my mind and consider her as a potential lynch target. Honestly, I'm ultimately still up in the air about her, but I'd put her in the will potentially lynch category.
Also, the bolded part doesn't ring very true.
My exact words to you were "I looked back at HtS today and I think she might be town. Her filter looks pretty okay except for the second guessing herself all the time."
That doesn't look like a glowing recommendation that should color your read very much?
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On April 03 2015 02:38 Crossfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2015 02:29 Keirathi wrote:On April 03 2015 02:01 Crossfire99 wrote:
Lynch HtS or HF!
See my case on HtS. Ignore the part on why kita is mafia because it doesn't matter for what I said about her.
Also, HF is lying because I told him specifically what my power was and he lied about it. Also he never poisoned me. But that was your whole case? That she was mafia because of how she interacted with kita. And that marv called her scummy in the early part day 1 I guess. There's been a lot of game since day 1, though. What makes you so sure that he was right? On April 03 2015 00:48 Crossfire99 wrote:
What changed is that I had a chance to reread filters of 100% confirmed townies who are now dead. You know when you don't have a strong impression either way on someone, and when someone tells you how they are reading someone it colors how you read them? When you explained why you thought she was town, I reread her, but what you said was in my head, so I read her as town. I reread her now with what dead confirmed townies think of her and it's enough for me to change my mind and consider her as a potential lynch target. Honestly, I'm ultimately still up in the air about her, but I'd put her in the will potentially lynch category.
Also, the bolded part doesn't ring very true. My exact words to you were "I looked back at HtS today and I think she might be town. Her filter looks pretty okay except for the second guessing herself all the time." That doesn't look like a glowing recommendation that should color your read very much? It's how her read changed on kita with no explanation whatsoever. She said she was always suspicious of him, but she never said anything indicating that at all. She only called him town or agreed with his case on BH or whatever. She just comes in today saying to vote him and claims that she was suspicious of him from the beginning. I used the fact that marv also noticed her weird town view of kita immediately to show that her view on kita changed unnaturally. It from definitely town like an assumption and backed that up to now all of a sudden it is scum. As for my quotes. Yeah those were your exact words, but that thinking she might be town was more than I had at the time. So I when I read her with that in mind, I was like I can see her as town. But then I reread like I said and found all the stuff I wrote in my case.
I'll give you that the "I've been wary of kita for the whole game" thing is kind of strange when it's pretty obvious she was hard townreading him day1.
But I also kind of feel like that was maybe just a poor choice of wording? And I don't really think her read changing on kita is unnatural at all. I mean, there is...some kind of check on kita that says he wasn't the same as rsoultin, who we know was town. Whatever "not the same" means.
And I don't see what scum!HtS gets out of switching her read from kita=town to kita=scum? There are lots of people that could get lynched today and kita probably isn't one of them.
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JAT:
So, you went through kitas list and agreed with all of his townreads, and at least soft-disagreed with all of his scumreads.
So...everyone is town and we can go home!?
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On April 03 2015 03:31 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2015 01:04 Snarfs wrote:
I mentioned VE as possible scum during last day/night and was instantly told that's not possible so I'm assuming there are PMs or something that confirm him town? Who is telling you this? They should justify it if it is true because no one has ever stated this to me.
It was this:
On April 03 2015 01:33 Snarfs wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2015 04:21 justanothertownie wrote:On March 31 2015 04:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
VE isn't scum. I tend to agree. It was you and wave. Wave sounded a lot more sure than you.
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On April 03 2015 03:32 yamato77 wrote:
I'm all for lynching vayne today.
##vote: vayneauthority
What changed from yesterday?
On April 01 2015 03:33 yamato77 wrote:
I have a hypothesis on who killed Hapa, but it's not really important.
I also have reservations about lynching VA, and they are important. This feels like a horrible idea. Unfortunately majority lynch makes this game hard.
Would people be opposed to lynching someone like damdred/batsnacks/BH? I have bad feelings about all 3.
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BH:
I wouldn't be opposed to a VA lynch if you, you know, actually explained what made him scum.
A check one a 100% unconfirmed target in a game with bussers/whatever else is possible isn't enough.
I think it's quite possible that he's scum, but you seem like 90%+ sure. I'd like to hear your reasons.
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On April 03 2015 03:40 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2015 03:39 justanothertownie wrote:On April 03 2015 03:38 Alakaslam wrote:On April 03 2015 03:37 justanothertownie wrote:On April 03 2015 03:36 Alakaslam wrote:On April 03 2015 03:33 justanothertownie wrote:
SLAM PLEASE CONFIRM YOU ARE LEAVING THE GAME ONCE WE LYNCH VA. Yes I will die to my own KP wtf I thought you would die in the night? If we lynch him you would have won by then, no? How? What, is he knight agyros or whatever? He is a planeswalker that if he didn't lie has not used his ultimate. Feel free to kill him but 2 need to die.
One already died. Hapa (Jace, the Mindseer or whatever) was a planeswalker.
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On April 03 2015 03:44 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2015 03:41 justanothertownie wrote:On April 03 2015 03:39 Alakaslam wrote:On April 03 2015 03:37 justanothertownie wrote:On April 03 2015 03:36 Alakaslam wrote:On April 03 2015 03:33 justanothertownie wrote:
SLAM PLEASE CONFIRM YOU ARE LEAVING THE GAME ONCE WE LYNCH VA. Yes I will die to my own KP wtf I thought you would die in the night? If we lynch him you would have won by then, no? And, I die down the the hour I submitted- I may randomly pass before the lynch even happens for all I know. I stated my wincons, I did not state my abilities and their drawbacks. Suppose the following situation. Vayne, a planeswalker without ultimate dies while you are still alive. Will you leave the game y/n? I want you to answer this question. No. He is only one Planeswalkers.
On April 01 2015 03:12 GreYMisT wrote:Hapahauli, as Jace the Mind Sculptor, has been Electrocuted!+ Show Spoiler [Role PM] +Welcome to Aperture Mafia 4: This Time it's Personal. you are Jace The Mind-Sculptor. You are a powerful practicioner in blue magic and were banned in standard constructed.
You start with 4 loyalty. If you drop to 0 loyalty you die. You have 4 abilities which either cost or grant loyalty. you may only use one ability per night.
Memory Lapse +2 loyalty: You two-way busdrive two target players. You will receive flavor text from one of the two player's roles at random.
Scry +0 loyalty: You will learn a random flavor text in the game. You cannot learn the same text twice from this ability.
Unsummon -1 loyalty: All actions that would happen on target player (excluding this action and factional KP) are delayed 1 cycle.
Parallel Thoughts -8 loyalty: You may target half of the players in the game. The next day those players will all be trapped in one of your illusions and move to another thread. That thread will have its own lynch. During that day players in one thread will not be able to quote, vote for, or action on players in the other thread. At the conclusion of the day, the players will return to the main game again. If your power would cause there to be less than 3 players in any thread at the start of the day, it will fail. You will be refunded your loyalty points.
You win with town.
"The pyromancer summoned up her mightiest onslaught of fire and rage. Jace feigned interest."
http://www.planeswalkerslibrary.com/card/Jace-the-Mind-Sculptor
Type: Planeswalker
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On April 03 2015 03:47 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2015 03:41 Keirathi wrote:
BH:
I wouldn't be opposed to a VA lynch if you, you know, actually explained what made him scum.
A check one a 100% unconfirmed target in a game with bussers/whatever else is possible isn't enough.
I think it's quite possible that he's scum, but you seem like 90%+ sure. I'd like to hear your reasons. Given that I've literally said I'm 75% sure I don't know where you get 90%+ Basically here's how it goes: I think there's a 90% chance Marv checked VA. He crumbed no-one else. It makes sense. I think that, given that, there's probably only like a 20% chance that VA was framed or busdriven with scum (our busdriver didn't claim a va bus, though there could be a scum busdriver or something too, hence the high percentage) so an 80% chance the check is legit, and a 90% chance it was on VA, which comes out to about 75%, and tah's with generous estimates all around. I think my calcs are on point.
Just ignore the fucking check.
You're perfectly capable of looking at his filter. Look there and tell me why he's scum.
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