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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 08 2015 00:15 GMT
#6561
Kitaman don't even talk to me about flaming. It was lylo and I gave you free mafia and was literally the only player in the game trying to analyse anything only for a bunch of afk tits to say lololol let's lynch hf. I pleaded about 500 times for people to stop and actually talk about my analysis and instead you didn't.

It's also ridiculous for me to claim day 1 when there's a sherlock a watson a lestrade and i have no idea what any of their win cons or powers are.
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
April 08 2015 00:17 GMT
#6562
On April 08 2015 09:15 Holyflare wrote:
Kitaman don't even talk to me about flaming. It was lylo and I gave you free mafia and was literally the only player in the game trying to analyse anything only for a bunch of afk tits to say lololol let's lynch hf. I pleaded about 500 times for people to stop and actually talk about my analysis and instead you didn't.

It's also ridiculous for me to claim day 1 when there's a sherlock a watson a lestrade and i have no idea what any of their win cons or powers are.

You were pushing the lynch off of confirmed mafia batsnacks. Town doesn't know your alignment, but we do see that.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 08 2015 00:18 GMT
#6563
On April 08 2015 09:15 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2015 09:11 Holyflare wrote:
I did try to actually help but everytime i posted it was "lol hf scum totally bussing batsnacks" or kitaman asking some irrelevant question with obvious answers. Basically you were an asshole.

If you hadn't changed your story approximately a hundred times and presented any kind of believable goal then I maybe wouldn't have disregarded everything you did but if you were in my shoes then you wouldn't believe yourself either.


Maybe next time when you don't believe someome but they have stuff to say you should be cooperative and try and understand their position. I'm not saying you specifically didn't, geript made me pretty tunelled on you being 100% mafia, but nobody else even gave a shit.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-08 00:19:26
April 08 2015 00:18 GMT
#6564
Actually, now that I think about it, being stupid for principled reasons is basically the definition of being a man of principle. After all, it's easy to be principled when that's the SMART choice. It's easy to say "I don't approve of eating cabbage" if you hate the flavor of cabbage. But if you love the flavor of cabbage? Or if cabbage is vital to your survival? Or if everyone's eating cabbage and you look like a fool for opposing its irresistible lure? It is only in these situations that your anti-cabbage attitude really represents principle, rather than convenience.

So I am not principled in spite of my stupidity in disliking JAT.

No, I am principled BECAUSE of my stupidity in disliking JAT.

It is my stupidity, it is the uselessness of the gesture, the unhelpfulness of the hatred, that makes it principled. It is because I am awful that I am great! It is because I am a tyrant that I am a hero! I am Blazinghand! RAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWR
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 08 2015 00:19 GMT
#6565
On April 08 2015 09:17 Snarfs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2015 09:15 Holyflare wrote:
Kitaman don't even talk to me about flaming. It was lylo and I gave you free mafia and was literally the only player in the game trying to analyse anything only for a bunch of afk tits to say lololol let's lynch hf. I pleaded about 500 times for people to stop and actually talk about my analysis and instead you didn't.

It's also ridiculous for me to claim day 1 when there's a sherlock a watson a lestrade and i have no idea what any of their win cons or powers are.

You were pushing the lynch off of confirmed mafia batsnacks. Town doesn't know your alignment, but we do see that.


Why was he confirmed?

BECAUSE I CONFIRMED HIM....... He was playing cocky and we basically knew his powers and he was weak. The game might have ended unless we hit a proper powerful mafia role. I explained that quite a few times.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
April 08 2015 00:19 GMT
#6566
On April 08 2015 09:15 Holyflare wrote:
Kitaman don't even talk to me about flaming. It was lylo and I gave you free mafia and was literally the only player in the game trying to analyse anything only for a bunch of afk tits to say lololol let's lynch hf. I pleaded about 500 times for people to stop and actually talk about my analysis and instead you didn't.

It's also ridiculous for me to claim day 1 when there's a sherlock a watson a lestrade and i have no idea what any of their win cons or powers are.

I will ignore the first part because I for one did only push for batsnacks that day.
Nobody expects you to claim day1. But even if you had claimed to me night 3 things would have been better. Whatever. This game was a complete trainwreck and mafia basically had to do nothing but sit there and watch it happen.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 08 2015 00:21 GMT
#6567
Yes but i didn't flame until the latter stages of the cycle due to frustration. At least you were cooperative then.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 08 2015 00:24 GMT
#6568
There's a myriad of people saying oh but that guy totally confirmed mafia and that i was pushing off of him and they policed me but nobody actually explored the reasons why or tried, nobody tried to understand my view point or cared about the game.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
April 08 2015 00:28 GMT
#6569
GG everyone.

And look, when I said "We should probably be lynching VA instead of Damdred. Why is he giving his life up like this? Whatever the reason, it's probably something bad for town", I was right!

It's too bad that HF was moriarty and refusing to claim. BH would have been an easy lynch too.

I did have Cav marked down as town though. Don't remember why, but WP sir.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 08 2015 00:28 GMT
#6570
On April 08 2015 09:12 kitaman27 wrote:
I'm not sure if town actually was capable of lynching batsnacks on day four, but we should have. HF was just being so obnoxious that he was able to get under everyone's skin to a point where most of the town was sick of it. I shouldn't have let him get to me, but I was tired of the flaming from a player who honestly didn't seem to have a purpose for doing so. I kinda question how he played things out considering how easy it would have been to just claim Moriarty and have BH lynched early on in the game.


That was seriously frustrating. He was scumreading BOTH Bats and myself, but then hijacked the vote by being incredibly stubborn by only willing to lynch me. He 1000% deserved to die for that. I played horribly this game and I could understand if he wasn't scumreading Bats, but the manner in which that lynch went down was shocking.

On April 08 2015 09:12 kitaman27 wrote:
I know that this has been brought up a ton in the past, but there really isn't a good reason for JAT or HF to have a combined 100 page filter. Discussing things is fine, but a lot of the posts really didn't accomplish anything. I don't mean to attack JAT because he was a good town leader, but when you have a limited amount of time to play each day, it just demotivates you. Even I found myself spamming more than usual this game.


100%. I actually skimmed 90% of their posts given that I averaged <30 min per day in this thread, and even less over the weekend. Honestly part of the reason I scumread JAT was because most of his filter really felt like one-liner shitposting.

For me, I found it pretty frustrating how often people were calling me mafia based on some type of paranoia read. I haven't rolled mafia since March 2013, yet I always seem to have trouble getting people to trust me. I'm sure there are others that are probably better at mafia than town that deal with the same thing. It's just annoying to be told that you're mafia because you're still alive when there really that is out of your control for the most part.


Yeah Kita, I'm really sorry for this. It wasn't until D4 that I realised your play more or less reflected JOAT. I also think part of the reason you were getting scumread was because as you said, you were unable to push the thread.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 08 2015 00:30 GMT
#6571
<3 <3 <3 Kita.

Forgive me? Please?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
April 08 2015 00:30 GMT
#6572
I wanted to write something big about this but I don't think I'm going to express myself very well.
I'll wait for the podcast I guess if it's happening.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 08 2015 00:31 GMT
#6573
On April 08 2015 09:01 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2015 08:55 Blazinghand wrote:
On April 08 2015 08:53 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 08 2015 08:49 Blazinghand wrote:
On April 08 2015 08:42 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 08 2015 08:41 Blazinghand wrote:
Koshi and JAT are possibly the two most hated players on all of TL, of course everyone used their powers on the two of them.

Debatable.

Fair enough, but you'll have to come up with an alternative hypothesis for why a good number of townies from various walks of life (Rso or VE or Slam who could have won with town for example) would townread you but also inexplicably not want to work with you and/or follow your plans. You're an intelligent player, so it's not that they think you're dumb; I believe it's an issue of personal animus.

Rso DID work with me and told me everything she knew so you can take her off the list. VE did not work with ANYONE so you can take him off the list. Slam was not town and also not working with anyone so you can take him off the list.


Yeah well I personally find you to be an excellent person and definitely the reasons VE and Slam didn't work with you, who was town, was that you were too excellent, smart, friendly, nice to be around, and generally pleasant.

Seriously though you played fine so the only explanation is that either 1. people are bad or 2. people irrationally don't like you, and the average TL Mafia player is really good, so 2 is correct.


lol

-sits on bh's head-

i'm a fairly pragmatic person and my likes or dislikes rarely go into my play here. i think there's only one player on TL that i'd legitimately have a hard time working with cause he makes me irrationally angry xP

that said, my main issue with jat was kita, not jat...his personality makes him less approachable but it was a non-factor (just an annoyance)

for whatever reason kita you just were determined to use jat's status to elevate your own and it bugged me all game lol >< i never could bring myself to townread you because of it

Was that person me because of my push on you on Day 1?
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
April 08 2015 00:33 GMT
#6574
On April 08 2015 09:12 kitaman27 wrote:
For me, I found it pretty frustrating how often people were calling me mafia based on some type of paranoia read. I haven't rolled mafia since March 2013, yet I always seem to have trouble getting people to trust me. I'm sure there are others that are probably better at mafia than town that deal with the same thing. It's just annoying to be told that you're mafia because you're still alive when there really that is out of your control for the most part.

To be fair, I'm still scarred from The Game. <3
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
April 08 2015 00:34 GMT
#6575
On April 08 2015 09:15 Holyflare wrote:
Kitaman don't even talk to me about flaming. It was lylo and I gave you free mafia and was literally the only player in the game trying to analyse anything only for a bunch of afk tits to say lololol let's lynch hf. I pleaded about 500 times for people to stop and actually talk about my analysis and instead you didn't.

It's also ridiculous for me to claim day 1 when there's a sherlock a watson a lestrade and i have no idea what any of their win cons or powers are.


I was on batsnacks the entire cycle up to the last 5 minutes. You were the one that was refusing to give us the vote that we needed and talking about holding the game hostage once we reached 5 votes on batsnacks....adding fuel to the fire about the HTS lynch and calling me mafia any time I showed up to say absolutely anything. I understand playing towards your win condition if you need to get BH lynched and yeah we shouldn't have lynched you at the last moment, but stuff like this really gets old quick when there is literally no reason for you to be bullying people like that:

On March 29 2015 02:03 Holyflare wrote:
i don't care if you're just going to be a whiney bitch


On March 29 2015 05:22 Holyflare wrote:
you're all shit posts


On March 29 2015 11:36 Holyflare wrote:
Or you're just terrible and arrogant like usual.


On March 30 2015 03:32 Holyflare wrote:
why do you love to be an obnoxious prick all the time


On April 06 2015 11:04 Holyflare wrote:
no it's not at all you tool


On April 03 2015 11:27 Holyflare wrote:
Vote me you fucking coward.


On April 07 2015 05:40 Holyflare wrote:
holy fucking shit there is no way you are this useless kitaman


On April 07 2015 08:00 Holyflare wrote:
useless shit town
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 08 2015 00:34 GMT
#6576
Hts maybe if you read the thread you'd understand my reasons for wanting to lynch you over bats. You scum read half of my list and then proceeded to call me mafia for going after low hanging fruit. Despite the fact that my list was quite accurate indeed. I then asked ppl to comment on my reads and explain stuff and you bypassed it all just to call me mafia again because I was like carol. You then wasted time talking about trfel's reads and going into way too much detail about it right before the deadline.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
April 08 2015 00:35 GMT
#6577
On April 08 2015 09:28 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2015 09:12 kitaman27 wrote:
I know that this has been brought up a ton in the past, but there really isn't a good reason for JAT or HF to have a combined 100 page filter. Discussing things is fine, but a lot of the posts really didn't accomplish anything. I don't mean to attack JAT because he was a good town leader, but when you have a limited amount of time to play each day, it just demotivates you. Even I found myself spamming more than usual this game.


100%. I actually skimmed 90% of their posts given that I averaged <30 min per day in this thread, and even less over the weekend. Honestly part of the reason I scumread JAT was because most of his filter really felt like one-liner shitposting.

Then read the posts next time maybe then you aren't wrong all the time. Seriously, I won't let you tell me that I was shitposting. I put so much fucking effort in this game and you who scumsided all game and trusted 3p over town are telling me that I should stop "shitposting"?
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
April 08 2015 00:37 GMT
#6578
On April 08 2015 09:30 Half the Sky wrote:
<3 <3 <3 Kita.

Forgive me? Please?


Oh there is nothing to forgive. I'm sure I've called people mafia incorrectly far more times than I've been right.

Plus it is silly to hold grudges. Even that lovable HF guy I can't stay mad at
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
April 08 2015 00:38 GMT
#6579
On April 08 2015 08:51 GreYMisT wrote:
My next game with either be a PYP/PTP (GreYMisT style) or another game that me and a few others have in the works

Looking forward to another PYP!
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-08 00:39:37
April 08 2015 00:39 GMT
#6580
Oh so how did I come up as a "bad reputation" as the batman or was that completely made up on the spot? XD
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
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