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On March 30 2015 06:38 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 06:36 Hapahauli wrote:On March 30 2015 06:32 Koshi wrote:
That being said. I have 0 problems with a snarf shot. But I need to know why the fuck we are lynching him because I haven't heard anybody say something really smart about a snarf lynch.
kita hapa hf JAT
What are your opinions on this snarf lynch?
I want them on paper. I want to read them. Eh. I think he looks "objectively bad." First post is a "say nothing" intro post, followed by a great deal of weak town reads. That being said, it makes sense that he'd do something like this, given that his priorities today seem to be voting for a "town" lynch party. I think lynching him is a coinflip. Not a terrible coinflip, but I'd lynch Trfel or Sepul over him any day. WoS... I'd like to see him alive another day as I think there's some margin for error in my read there. While the idea is bad in theory, do you think a mafia Sepul opens by saying "Finding mafia would be a plus, but seems secondary"?
Plausibly. Sepul is brand new after all.
But that also has very little to do with why I'm suspicious of him. I'm more concerned with how he arrived on voting Vayne (after saying how his priorities were to find townies for positions "3 and 1").
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On March 30 2015 06:39 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 06:32 Hapahauli wrote:On March 30 2015 06:30 LightningStrike wrote:On March 30 2015 06:27 Hapahauli wrote:On March 30 2015 06:25 LightningStrike wrote:On March 30 2015 06:21 Damdred wrote:On March 30 2015 06:19 LightningStrike wrote:On March 30 2015 06:17 Damdred wrote:
LS why not rs here I'm pretty sure she's town?
Rs who is your lynch? I trust JAT since I know he's a smart player and I do think both of them are town I just think JAT might be the better leader. IDK I think you should vote rsoultin. Who would you lynch today Hapa because what I said in his filter he done jack shit early on and the fact that he only decided to play with very little time left in the Day I think it fits more of a scum type of play to do stuff at EoD area. It's fairly disconcerting that you have such a strong read without taking any effort to talk to me in the past two hours. Let's see I had read your filter and talked to others about you. Why should I consider you to be town? Agreeing or disagreeing with my reads is a start. I really dont' care if you consider me town right now. I don't have the time luxury for that. I'm more interested in why I'm your top target, and yet you've made no attempt to interact with me until I prodded you to do so. Your top scumread starts posting 2.5 hours ago. Is it not natural to want to talk to said "top scumread?" I disagree with your read on Wave he played very similarly in Student VI at least from what I remember coaching two players there...
Read that game again, and see how tunneled he was on Damdred on Day 1.
and your Sep read might be off because he already about the same filter length as his last town game in JOAT so I thinking that alone makes him town.
This is the weakest shit...
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On March 30 2015 06:42 rsoultin wrote:
Okay snarfs has been submitted as our lynch
Waiiiit. Don't we have an hour left?
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On March 30 2015 06:45 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 06:44 Hapahauli wrote:On March 30 2015 06:42 rsoultin wrote:
Okay snarfs has been submitted as our lynch Waiiiit. Don't we have an hour left? 15 mins i think? if we have over an hour and opinions change i'll just send another pm lol
According to the votecount thread, we have an hour.
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[b]Can we slow this down and narrow down our lynch targets?
The thread is getting pretty chaotic, and it should help to organize who we are talking about killing.
Trfel and Snarfs have received a lot of lynching support so far. Are there any other candidates with popular support? Let's use our last hour well.
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On March 30 2015 06:49 Damdred wrote:
Oh I thought we only had 10 minutes ok that makes me feel better a bit.
Ok so hapa what do you think between Trfel and snarfs
As previously mentioned, Snarfs seems like a coinflip. I agree his play looks bad, but there's an explanation due to the nature of this Day 1. A lot of his play was focused around finding townies to vote for. This isn't ideal, but it is certainly plausible.
I find it harder to come up with plausible town explanations for Trfel's play.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/481138-aperture-mafia-4-this-time-its-personal?page=41#808
This is his reads post. Kita has talked about how the analysis is pretty weak, and Chezitwo mentioned that it feels very "over-justified" for this point in the game. I agree with both of these points.
But his next post on Sicklucker is so hard to explain from a town perspective:
On March 29 2015 16:06 Trfel wrote:
First off, apologies for this post being short. I'm rather sleepy, and I'm really busy tomorrow, so I can't guarantee much more from me until after the deadline.
I'm not convinced that LightningStrike is scum here. He made a bunch of null reads, but his early push on rsoultin was rather townie. He seems to be trying hard in this game, and I don't want to lynch him.
For now, I think that Holyflare is the best vote. He seems very towny, and he has been actively leading the thread. He's also said many of the same thoughts that I have had. His lynch candidates also generally line up with mine. I also trust Holyflare with whatever abilities are given to him by the adventuring party role.
##vote Holyflare
I personally like a sicklucker lynch. He's basically claimed third party.
As for Hapahauli: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.........................
I don't want to lynch Half the Sky yet, either. I am fairly confident in reading her in a longer game, using the tell that Holyflare developed: "boring Half the Sky is mafia". I am not convinced that Half the Sky has been given enough time to be interesting in this game yet.
He "likes" the sicklucker lynch and is really comfortable that sicklucker is 3rd party. This is odd for two reasons.
1) He has absolutely zero doubt in his mind that sicklucker is 3p. This is odd, and it's strange for someone that made such a try-hard case on sicklucker to not believe atleast somewhat that sicklucker is mafia.
2) He's comfortable lynchign a 3p sicklucker over his 3 other scumreads. This is absurdly scummy.
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To elaborate on #1...
Let's say that your top scumread claims 3p. I highly doubt that any town will instantly believe that claim. At the very least, there will be some doubt in there that your top scumread is making a play or fake-claiming.
Trfel just instantly believes sicklucker which is so hard to explain.
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On March 30 2015 06:58 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 05:34 Hapahauli wrote:
No no, not lynching BH.
Bad JAT. Bad. Could you justify this post hapa? When referencing several other players, you attack them for not looking for mafia. Why is BH the exception?
I've played enough games with BH to realize that his openers aren't always serious and are rarely alignment indicative.
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On March 30 2015 06:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hi guys
Why are you doing what I was doing I totally did that and you are copying me wtf.
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On March 30 2015 07:00 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 06:59 Hapahauli wrote:On March 30 2015 06:58 kitaman27 wrote:On March 30 2015 05:34 Hapahauli wrote:
No no, not lynching BH.
Bad JAT. Bad. Could you justify this post hapa? When referencing several other players, you attack them for not looking for mafia. Why is BH the exception? I've played enough games with BH to realize that his openers aren't always serious and are rarely alignment indicative. At what point would you consider something BH does alignment indicative?
I would not like to describe my methodology of reading BH in thread until I decide to make a case on him.
But why am I wrong on BH? Surely you've played in many games with him as well.
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Chezitwo know's whats up.
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Although I wish that was posted earlier so I could actually double-check it.
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On March 30 2015 07:32 Sepulchre wrote:I don't really see why Trfel is suddenly the lynch. I also don't see why everybody moved off Hapahauli. He came in, called 2-3 of the easiest people in this game to call mafia mafia without adding anything. His post on Trfel is just fingerpointing him for saying "sicklucker basically claimed 3p" and running away with the most damning conjecture. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/481138-aperture-mafia-4-this-time-its-personal?page=109#2161I personally read Trfel's post as "my mafia suspect claimed 3p so now there is a 0% chance he is town, let's lynch him", which is the far more apparant interpretation. Hapahauli doesn't even consider that, and I will randomly add the most damning conjecture here, because he doesn't care about lynching mafia he's just trying to survive. I haven't read all of the thread so maybe some people have better reasons for lynching Trfel. If you do I'd appreciate a link, or at least the name of the guy so I can check for myself. As is I think Trfel is just getting lynched because he's afk. Which is ok I guess but don't disguise it as something more than a coinflip.
Yes there are better reasons for lynching Trfel. The ones that you skipped over in my posts in order to cherry pick an attack against me.
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In regard to BH... Slam can you just claim? Non-cryptically?
How would you know about BH's powers?
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On March 30 2015 07:41 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 07:39 Hapahauli wrote:
In regard to BH... Slam can you just claim? Non-cryptically?
How would you know about BH's powers? How hte hell many medics do we have? WAIT I DONT WANT TO FIND OUT FIRST How the hell can I make an informed risk/payoff decision then? Nah.
You don't even need to claim. I just dont' understand why you'd know what BH's role does.
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Sigh. Sickulcker seems like such a cop-out vote. I don't see how an anti-town 3rd party is claiming in his situation.
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On March 30 2015 07:52 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 04:07 Hapahauli wrote:
He wants to lynch sicklucker because he's 3rd party. That's a big nono. Mafia want to lynch 3rd parties. Town generally are looking for mafia first. It doesn't help that the rest of his post is basically summary and non-committal reads on LS, myself, and HtS. Wait, this is why I am being lynched??? This makes no sense. Town needs to eliminate third party. And again, I would take a very good chance at killing third party over a random shot at killing mafia. I didn't make a read on Hapahauli, I didn't make a read on Half the Sky. My "zzzz" about Hapahauli both means that I was bored of his play (he wasn't doing anything), and I was extremely bored of all of the focus and discussion about him. As for Half the Sky, I want her to not be lynched so I have more time to read her. I feel that she is easy to read after some time, but with her being busy for the first portion of the game, that time wasn't provided. I stood up to the wave of people trying to lynch LightningStrike. And you call that non-committal? If LightningStrike is lynched and flips mafia, I look really bad for that.
You're being lynched more for the later posts in my filter.
Regardless, I don't think you're being lynched. HF has a good point about sicklucker.
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I'll let HF do his thing with sicklucker. I think my vote pushed him to #1.
Out for a few hours, GL all
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