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On April 09 2015 00:57 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2015 00:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 09 2015 00:17 Vivax wrote:
Obi give me a short story of how rsoultin manages to get a townread on HF and onegu, I'm too bad to read something into their posts apparently.  The bolded is driving me nuts because it seems like everyone is townreading him for nothing, but she downgraded him to null more recently which seems better. I know how rsoultin thinks about onegu though because we talked about it in PMs last game. Long story short is that ditzy onegu is town!onegu, and I've definitely seen some of the ditziness that rsoultin would attribute to his town game. OWS, it's the game set-up, and it's one of the major reasons i was townreading you (i have a few better reasons now) that you didn't notice ^^ i still see little reason for mafia to do that game thing, but his general gameplay has been underwhelming, so he's been downgraded. That and I may be reading too much into something entirely unintentional.
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Obi said he did it as mafia.
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On April 08 2015 23:09 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2015 23:06 Vivax wrote:
I don't even care about the game outcome, you're annoying and frustrating and if you are willing to get shot or lynched after my flip I will throw the game. I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.
LMFAO
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Eden1892
rsoultin
Koshi
yamato77
GlowingBear
Vivax
ritoky
ObiWanShinobi
Damdred
Onegu
DreadReturn
Holyflare
Palmar
About where I am right now. Why does no one have anything to say about my stuff on Palmar? Am I just that wrong and bad about him? I felt like there was something there 
Other notes: yamato's reads were pretty good and seem decidedly outside his mafia range. Koshi flipped the switch somewhere, I don't remember exact point but it happened. ritoky and Obi aren't completely outside their mafia range but they're both pretty townie so far to me. Damdred and HF fell off the map completely and if no one is down for lynching Palmar then I think one of them should be the lynch. Onegu and DR are still just nulls to me -- I don't mind lynching them, but if we're lynching among nulls then I'd rather get the people who I know can be more productive and clearly town than this.
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Oh god damn it
Eden1892
rsoultin
Koshi
yamato77
GlowingBear
Vivax
ritoky
ObiWanShinobi
Damdred
Onegu
DreadReturn
Holyflare
Palmar
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We're lynching DreadReturn, bar none.
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Hmm. Somewhere Palmar provided reads in 10 minutes and I was ok with them. That's why I read him as town. I don't think he should be the lynch today. Maybe even tomorrow.
Yes, he played seriously this game.
But
He owned playing seriously. He didn't hide and gave his reasoning. He played strong while being present. If he would totally fall away D2 I would consider him. But for D1? Nha.
I'll see if I can find some townie stuff.
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On April 07 2015 20:32 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2015 20:25 rsoultin wrote:
an exercise!
what other things were candidates but didn't make it to the coveted category of possibly nitpicking? In brief, I'll write out some: I actually liked Damdred's opening. I agreed with him picking up that post from GB (as I've shown now later) and in general he sounded like a townie to me. I sort of maybe think Obi looked bad at times. All his initial contributions were quite shit. I didn't really have any kinde of conclusion though. I think he pointed out that HF did the game-show thing as mafia once without actually drawing any conclusion from it or giving an opinion, so that was kind of maybe scummy, but not terribly so. I think I recall something from Onegu that was almost policy-lynch-worthy HF's thing is completely alignment null. It all depends on what he does with it. He's smart enough to realize that he has done this before, and so it really doesn't matter. He could be town doing it to fuck with people or he could be wifom mafia "I wouldn't do it again". It's pointless to speculate until he actually does anything worth reading. There are probably more I don't recall right now.
This I was ok with it.
Obviously these aren't the names that I would call mafia at this time. But at that time it was very fine.
I would lynch GB before Palmar easily.
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But yeah.
We are locked in on DeadReturn and NOBODY should change this lynch for today.
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 08 2015 13:31 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2015 19:39 Palmar wrote:On April 07 2015 19:33 Vivax wrote:On April 07 2015 19:29 Palmar wrote:On April 07 2015 19:11 Vivax wrote:
Damdred pretty hard on GB with his reasoning. Not sure if legit, he chose the worst possible explanation for GB complaining about HF vs Obi.
As if HF asking for an Obi wambulance was oh so informative lol. The point is not whether or not what they were doing was productive. The question is whether GB was doing anything useful at all. Define useful in a wambulance and random gif setting. Okay clearly you're being affected by a small head syndrome. HF and Obi were having a shitfest. I'm not arguing that. When this happens there are a few options open to a player not involved. Some of them are useful, some are useless. Here's a few options GB could have taken. GB could have: - Ignored it and walked away
- Tried to put a stop to it
- Tried to change the subject to something more entertaining or useful
- Joined in on the fun
- Idly complained about it without trying to stop it or change the subject
- Tried to glean some information from it
You'll notice that he did actually take one of the options. The problem I have is that is by fare the worst option available. By his own admission he wasn't trying to stop them, so what was he trying to achieve? He wasn't being funny, he wasn't being sociable, he wasn't trying to bring up a new subject, he wasn't scumhunting or trying to poke people further. Why did GB post? This is not good. So GB didn't necessarily react the best way to one minor thing. So? He turns around and starts engaging Damdred on it in a way that I at least felt was really productive. Palmar incorrectly assesses that GB "wasn't scumhunting or trying to poke people further" and does so by ignoring the bulk of GB's actual posting at the time, focusing only on the admittedly-not-good first reaction to the HF-Obi thing. Show nested quote +On April 07 2015 20:39 Palmar wrote:
His point being that we should lynch GB for that post. He may not have had the exact same take as me, but the conclusion is the same.
Like in broad strokes I was apathetic about the Obi/HF thing (although HF looked better in it than Obi) and I hated GB's interjection, and I liked that damdred didn't like it.
I really cba with this rsoultin. You know that if I'm mafia I'll be fairly easy to spot a little further down the line so all you're doing now is wasting my time. Why is he so grumpy? Jeez this thread is down in the dumps. Y'all oughta grab a beer and chill or somethin. This game is fun, why so bothered already? Especially since rsoultin's questions were actually pretty on-point -- as noted Palmar's thing on GB is actually not very good and if it's really his best thing he has, rsoultin is right to be pressing him for more. I love her followup asking what didn't make the cut and I would have figured that Palmar would more readily play ball if he's gonna start out serious like this. Show nested quote +On April 07 2015 20:56 Palmar wrote:On April 07 2015 20:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Palmar, being unfunny doesn't make me Mafia
If you think I had the intention of stopping discussion, you basically assume that I was protecting someone. If so, I'm automatically Mafia with one of them.
Thinking through a Mafia perspective, if I see two townies discussing, I won't interfere so they can tunnel each other.
So, you have to tell me who is my partner with them, or your argument simply doesn't hold water I don't believe this is true. My original assumption was that you were trying to stop them by complaining about it. You later clarified that you weren't. But let's assume I don't really think there is any mafia in the group of you three. Town HF is arguing with Town Obi. Town GB steps in and "look guys, this is shit. drop it".
I think this is a fair thing to do as town.
I really don't understand why you'd have to be protecting someone. Trying to stop shit to clear the way for more useful conversation is on the surface always a town move. Of course mafia knows this so it's really no big deal (hence why I'm looking at HOW you did what you did, not WHAT you did). Like this post is full of shit and now I seriously want to lynch you and I don't think I'm nitpicking anymore. Trying to argue that you must be protecting one of them or my theory is shit is awful because it makes no logical sense. I'm having trouble following this train of thought. Palmar basically says that what GB did could actually be a townie thing and then wants to lynch GB for saying something illogical. What happened to the early insistence from Palmar that he wanted to lynch mafia? Now that I'm actually reading I'm starting not to like Palmar. I got it backwards earlier, he was actually the one being nitpicky and not really making sense / going places with GB. His initial assessment he makes about GB's early game play is all wrong and he's unnecessarily hostile toward rsoultin when she tries to talk to him about the game. I tend to think Palmar is just... above this when he's town. He's a pretty level-headed and fair-minded guy most of the time, and there's generally good intentions behind his failing to meet this standard (he gets hyper-tunneled on someone he thinks is mafia for instance). But the unnecessary antagonism and the grueling, pedantic arguing with GB just seems not him.
Also this case looks like something terrible. Especially the first point is some serious reaching on what I found a solid post from Palmar.
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Ok. 2.5 page filter for D1 is acceptable.
Lynch DreadReturn. All other people deserve to live another day. DreadReturn is lynchbait now or tomorrow or after that. Let's cut it out.
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Also because that was supposed to be my last post.
He will be 4ever lynchbait in case he is town*
which
I obviously doubt.
cuz
I want to lynch him.
duh
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Das Votecount:
Vivax (1) - Rsoultin
Palmar (1) - Eden1892
GlowingBear (1) - Damdred
Rsoultin (0) -
ObiWanShinobi (1) - Holyflare
Eden1892 (0) -
Koshi (1) - Onegu
Damdred (1) - GlowingBear
Yamato77 (1) - Rsoultin
DreadReturn (4) - Yamato77, Vivax, Koshi, Palmar
until deadline. Currently DreadReturn is set to be lynched.
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Don't worry Koshi. I'm gonna churn out tons of data before deadline.
I don't mind if you park your vote on me in the meantime, just that you would at some point be able to read thread before deadline.
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No I won't come back. Maybe in 2-3 hours before bed.
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Alright, I'll do enough within the next several hours to at least sway you. Just be aware.
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On April 09 2015 02:38 DreadReturn wrote:
Don't worry Koshi. I'm gonna churn out tons of data before deadline.
I don't mind if you park your vote on me in the meantime, just that you would at some point be able to read thread before deadline.
I remain skeptical.
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Yay the login works again.
Koshi too
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On April 09 2015 02:22 Koshi wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 08 2015 13:31 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2015 19:39 Palmar wrote:On April 07 2015 19:33 Vivax wrote:On April 07 2015 19:29 Palmar wrote:On April 07 2015 19:11 Vivax wrote:
Damdred pretty hard on GB with his reasoning. Not sure if legit, he chose the worst possible explanation for GB complaining about HF vs Obi.
As if HF asking for an Obi wambulance was oh so informative lol. The point is not whether or not what they were doing was productive. The question is whether GB was doing anything useful at all. Define useful in a wambulance and random gif setting. Okay clearly you're being affected by a small head syndrome. HF and Obi were having a shitfest. I'm not arguing that. When this happens there are a few options open to a player not involved. Some of them are useful, some are useless. Here's a few options GB could have taken. GB could have: - Ignored it and walked away
- Tried to put a stop to it
- Tried to change the subject to something more entertaining or useful
- Joined in on the fun
- Idly complained about it without trying to stop it or change the subject
- Tried to glean some information from it
You'll notice that he did actually take one of the options. The problem I have is that is by fare the worst option available. By his own admission he wasn't trying to stop them, so what was he trying to achieve? He wasn't being funny, he wasn't being sociable, he wasn't trying to bring up a new subject, he wasn't scumhunting or trying to poke people further. Why did GB post? This is not good. So GB didn't necessarily react the best way to one minor thing. So? He turns around and starts engaging Damdred on it in a way that I at least felt was really productive. Palmar incorrectly assesses that GB "wasn't scumhunting or trying to poke people further" and does so by ignoring the bulk of GB's actual posting at the time, focusing only on the admittedly-not-good first reaction to the HF-Obi thing. Show nested quote +On April 07 2015 20:39 Palmar wrote:
His point being that we should lynch GB for that post. He may not have had the exact same take as me, but the conclusion is the same.
Like in broad strokes I was apathetic about the Obi/HF thing (although HF looked better in it than Obi) and I hated GB's interjection, and I liked that damdred didn't like it.
I really cba with this rsoultin. You know that if I'm mafia I'll be fairly easy to spot a little further down the line so all you're doing now is wasting my time. Why is he so grumpy? Jeez this thread is down in the dumps. Y'all oughta grab a beer and chill or somethin. This game is fun, why so bothered already? Especially since rsoultin's questions were actually pretty on-point -- as noted Palmar's thing on GB is actually not very good and if it's really his best thing he has, rsoultin is right to be pressing him for more. I love her followup asking what didn't make the cut and I would have figured that Palmar would more readily play ball if he's gonna start out serious like this. Show nested quote +On April 07 2015 20:56 Palmar wrote:On April 07 2015 20:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Palmar, being unfunny doesn't make me Mafia
If you think I had the intention of stopping discussion, you basically assume that I was protecting someone. If so, I'm automatically Mafia with one of them.
Thinking through a Mafia perspective, if I see two townies discussing, I won't interfere so they can tunnel each other.
So, you have to tell me who is my partner with them, or your argument simply doesn't hold water I don't believe this is true. My original assumption was that you were trying to stop them by complaining about it. You later clarified that you weren't. But let's assume I don't really think there is any mafia in the group of you three. Town HF is arguing with Town Obi. Town GB steps in and "look guys, this is shit. drop it".
I think this is a fair thing to do as town.
I really don't understand why you'd have to be protecting someone. Trying to stop shit to clear the way for more useful conversation is on the surface always a town move. Of course mafia knows this so it's really no big deal (hence why I'm looking at HOW you did what you did, not WHAT you did). Like this post is full of shit and now I seriously want to lynch you and I don't think I'm nitpicking anymore. Trying to argue that you must be protecting one of them or my theory is shit is awful because it makes no logical sense. I'm having trouble following this train of thought. Palmar basically says that what GB did could actually be a townie thing and then wants to lynch GB for saying something illogical. What happened to the early insistence from Palmar that he wanted to lynch mafia? Now that I'm actually reading I'm starting not to like Palmar. I got it backwards earlier, he was actually the one being nitpicky and not really making sense / going places with GB. His initial assessment he makes about GB's early game play is all wrong and he's unnecessarily hostile toward rsoultin when she tries to talk to him about the game. I tend to think Palmar is just... above this when he's town. He's a pretty level-headed and fair-minded guy most of the time, and there's generally good intentions behind his failing to meet this standard (he gets hyper-tunneled on someone he thinks is mafia for instance). But the unnecessary antagonism and the grueling, pedantic arguing with GB just seems not him. Also this case looks like something terrible. Especially the first point is some serious reaching on what I found a solid post from Palmar.
I don't see what was reaching about it? He makes a reasonable argument about one post where GB didn't use an in-game event to advance discussion, and then proceeds to just scumread GB and ignore the subsequent posts where GB questioned Damdred pretty soundly based off of the exact in-game event Palmar was talking about earlier. Literally Palmar's point is only good if you look at the one post GB makes and you ignore the other ones where GB does what he's supposed to do.
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Tbh I might just give Koshi/yamato their lynch. The votelist on DR looks pretty clean.
I'd like to see what DR produces when his neck is on the line.
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I'm gonna consolidate on Damdred with my boi GB for now tho. If the lynch is DR or someone who actually shouldn't be lynched then I'll move on DR
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