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plotspot
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I've just read the general guide, but things are still confusing. I guess in order to really understand the game I gotta participate for once. So, is it a balanced game? Do the mafia have a 50% win record? A Vigilant setup will speed up the game, right? More on the rules: so if a Detective has results on 3 players for example, they may not post it in this thread? Or does it not matter because it is not guaranteed that people will believe him? | ||
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Is a minimalistic game possible, where everyone is silent except for daily activities of voting and nightly activities of dispatching and other non-verbal functions? Assuming a yes, would such a game not favor the mafia, as no information is baited out from them through any sort of interaction whatsoever? | ||
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The question is how can the mafia enforce as much randomness or (as the guides calls it) "confusion among the townspeople" as possible, obviously not by "standing out", which includes acting randomly, when everybody else is not. Lol I bet no townspeople will act randomly risking to be lynched. So if you're mafia you're actually playing as if you're townspeople, and the inevitable imperfection of that performance will eventually come back to lynch you? | ||
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You're afraid of dying. Ok you're confirmed town. LOL OH WAIT. You maybe MAFIA.^^ | ||
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#VOTE Ace1312 You have 47 hours left to prove your alignment.^^ | ||
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On April 10 2015 08:12 Onegu wrote: My point was he made the post to clairfy before you made that post. He votes talks about something then clairifies why he voted ace. Then you asked him the question. Maybe I anticipated that if I vote without any reason, people would come ask me anyway? Well prplhz still came with his own different question. If I didn't provide anything, in the next post I would have to answer, yeah lolz why did you?^^ | ||
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Just forget it. You figured out prplhz's logic, that's enough. | ||
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On April 10 2015 08:50 prplhz wrote: then vote bourneq with me? like, i'm one of the VETERANS so i'm OBVIOUSLY super good at mafia. now you say i'm 100% town and that's a lot of %. maybe you could believe my read over your own "i'm going to vote alphabetically so i don't get modkilled"-read? I'm not yet convinced Bourneq is someone to vote for. Maybe you could explain again your stance? | ||
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On April 10 2015 09:24 Half the Sky wrote: I'm interpreting the alphabetical vote as a joke vote - or NAI. I have seen it happen a few times in some of the newbie games. I know it has happened in Carol, and happened in Student IV. What does NAI mean? No Additional Information? or No Action Indicated? Why joke vote? It will stand as long as nothing else happens. It's not like Ace1312 feels totally threatened. At this time Bourneq will burn. Or even BloodyDwarf who a few people have on their list for certain acceptable reasons. | ||
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On April 10 2015 15:09 jarjarbinks wrote: Plot, can you explain why you think this? I'm assuming you didn't actually 100% believe it, but you just think he's town. Also, what do you think of dwarf and onegu so far? whoa a post from the past.^^ How should I answer this. There is a world of mind. A world of speech and a world of action. I certainly said prplhz is town, I think his early initiative and throrough way of examination befits that of a townsperson caring for the town. about Dwarf I don't know, looks like a victim so far. Onegu? 70% town. I think the host screwed up. Everybody is town^^. Or he is lazy giving out the roles according to the order on the front page.^^ This should be easy. Man don't read anything from this, I just enjoy the game ok?^^ I mean I observe, this game it really helps to know the posting style or habit or a person. I really cringe at some conclusion about me, you are all paranoid.^^ Ok, I don't have the super reading powers. I just know that Half the Sky and Soren thinks 100% that I'm town. Make of it what you can. On April 10 2015 23:00 Half the Sky wrote: How is perceived poor play alignment indicative? IIRC you were scumreading or calling out scum behaviour based on him "playing like a fucktard?" Especially in a newbie game - yes I know Onegu is not a noob but the point still stands - how are you distinguishing between poor play and scum play? Wait. I didn't call him scum. I think you are awfully suspicious for talking like you know I'm 100% town. That's my original quote On April 10 2015 08:12 plotspot wrote: I'm considering changing my vote to Onegu. He's playing like a fucktard. But of course I'm still not sure whether it's his strategy or him inadvertently not "getting" some of the things. I only said I considered switching my vote, because he made 2 strange mistakes, like wanting a voting thread or saying I didn't explain myself to prplhz when easy checking could have confirmed I did. It was very early in the game, but why am I explaining things, isn't the uncertainty what he is obvious in the quote? | ||
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On April 11 2015 08:57 Half the Sky wrote: I also don't like how plot said that TBD was a victim. When two posts prior, he says this. It's a bit contradictory in logic. I think the word "acceptable" is the bad boy here right? I should have written "acceptable for them, in their kind of logic, to which I can agree to a certain degree, but not nailingly sure for me". I think Dwarf is a victim because, he has to justify himself and looks helpless, but that's also because he hasn't post alot right? | ||
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On April 11 2015 19:18 prplhz wrote: because i don't think he's showing that townie paranoia. Is it talking about me? I don't think being defensive helps. What it does is raising suspicions from townsfolk who are already set in their tunnel vision anyway and the mafia having a jolly time seeing someone freak out. You guys do what you must. The game is not lost on just some guy being burned.^^ | ||
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On April 11 2015 21:50 Bourneq wrote: Good mornign gents and ladies! I think we hit the nail on the head with plotspot in the recent pages. My personal reasoning behind scum reading plotspot is mainly from theese quotes I hate this post + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2015 07:43 plotspot wrote: whoa a post from the past.^^ How should I answer this. There is a world of mind. A world of speech and a world of action. I certainly said prplhz is town, I think his early initiative and throrough way of examination befits that of a townsperson caring for the town. about Dwarf I don't know, looks like a victim so far. Onegu? 70% town. I think the host screwed up. Everybody is town^^. Or he is lazy giving out the roles according to the order on the front page.^^ This should be easy. Man don't read anything from this, I just enjoy the game ok?^^ I mean I observe, this game it really helps to know the posting style or habit or a person. I really cringe at some conclusion about me, you are all paranoid.^^ Ok, I don't have the super reading powers. I just know that Half the Sky and Soren thinks 100% that I'm town. Make of it what you can. Wait. I didn't call him scum. I think you are awfully suspicious for talking like you know I'm 100% town. That's my original quote I only said I considered switching my vote, because he made 2 strange mistakes, like wanting a voting thread or saying I didn't explain myself to prplhz when easy checking could have confirmed I did. It was very early in the game, but why am I explaining things, isn't the uncertainty what he is obvious in the quote? Mainly because of "Man don't read anything from this, I just enjoy the game ok?^^" And "I think you are awfully suspicious for talking like you know I'm 100% town." when he himself said prplhz was 100% town really early on. Not to meantion the 5 ^^, but I wont go into that. TBD is making my scum radar beep and its driving me crazy. I would like to see the dwarf do anything, just anything to further towns agenda. Or at least theorycraft with us. But he has done noone of that what so ever. The recent points brought against him also look solid. Now I will carefully examine prplhz and see if I have anything to bring to the table. Yeah you hit the nail on that one. I guess that means we were not born for eachother. ^^ The funniest thing would be if you'd really be a mafia. I'd really like that. Useless townsfolk who confuses the fuck out of everyone or mafia, what does it matter who gets lynched? I'm totally always rooting for mafia regardless of alignment. Go guys.^^ | ||
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The mafia must really enjoy this game. I like it. | ||
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And what does Soren has against me?? prplhz can vote me for sure. I like him.^^ | ||
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2nd I don't have any reads, as I think anyone is potentially suspicious and not at the same time. It's not certain enough for me to make any calls at the moment. Oh yeah is this suspicious? 50% of the people would think yes, 50% no. Yeah I'm calling the percentages.^^ Instead ask what other people think about you. From this thread I know that Half the Sky and Soren think I'm town. Many other people are unsure as to my aligment and a few people lean towards me as scum, but none are 100% sure I am scum. On April 10 2015 07:58 Soren333 wrote: Town read as this newbie is trying to learn how to scum hunt. He will probably tell you now that he changed his opinion, due to progressed "interaction". Half the Sky provided some reasoning as to why she doesn't necessarily know that I'm town. But I'm not convinced. Based on the following post she thinks I think Onegu might be scum, although the reason I make this spontaneous post is because he was a disruptive element to the game by not paying attention, it doesn't matter what alignment he was. On April 10 2015 08:12 plotspot wrote: I'm considering changing my vote to Onegu. He's playing like a fucktard. But of course I'm still not sure whether it's his strategy or him inadvertently not "getting" some of the things. Well we have 11 other users here. Would you all agree that this post is 100% indicative of me implying Onegu is scum? If not than it's a conclusion only reached by Half the Sky, no matter how well-phrased her explanations are that it comes from the post and not from some hidden knowledge. Anyway, if Half the Sky is town, you have to protect her to the very end, otherwise eliminate her now. | ||
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"Tunneling, or Tunnel-vision, is when a player is so convinced that another is Scum that they are unwilling to look at other cases or consider that they might be wrong. It becomes the only thing they post about, and every post the player makes is seen as inherently super scummy. It happens way more often than you think. " I like tunneling.^^ It's not as bad as this explanation makes it out to be. | ||
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How do I make people think 100% that I'm scum, still trying to work this out.^^ Defense is bad right? yeah I know. I've given up on it. But what did prplzh say? Defense is better than "rolling over". He is on the defense, definitely scummy.^^ | ||
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On April 12 2015 02:33 jarjarbinks wrote: lol Yes "lynchable" as in scummy enough for me to be OK lynching you. I understand the confusion and how you can spin it though. I don't understand the bold part. If you could elaborate that would be great. Is "spin it" another mafia terminology for some kind of stuff? | ||
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On April 12 2015 04:36 Half the Sky wrote: 1 I point him out on the word "acceptable" 2 His quoted part of the sentence (which I've bolded) he is saying others are finding it acceptable but he's not so sure (not nailingly sure for me) 3 In his prior post, he said that Dwarf was a victim, but then by saying "he has to justify himself.....that's also because he hasn't posted a lot, right" he's already answered his own concern in #2 "not nailingly sure for me." Just to get it right here. "he looks helpless, because he didn't post a lot to defend himself yet". It's not "he has to justify himself, because he hasn't posted a lot yet". It's also "anyone who needs to justify himself is a victim, regardless whether he is a rightful victim or not". Normally victim is usually in a negative sense for unjust things. I don't ALWAYS use it in that sense. | ||
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And also reaching a certain state, explanations wouldn't help anymore. Especially the kind of helpless explanation provided by clueless newbie players, basically just defending themselves, forgetting the actual scumhunt, which makes it easy for mafia to convince other townies that these guys don't do townish things. I think towards the end I kind of thought Tube was mafia for his dispute with Breshke who is by that time obvioulsy VET. rsoultin was kinda in my scope es well, but she defended herself really well. JJB? Looks very townish and towards the end of game kinda AFKed away, maybe because he didn't see the need to interfere anymore. The Bourneq thing is kind of unfortunate, it was a 50:50 situation. I think the remaining people were more willing to lose like this than Bourneq really being mafia in the end with his unresolving way, uncommitted way. I can feel for him and TBD, they are basically in the same shoe as me. We don't have the experience to make the RIGHT effort and detail out what is commonly regarded as good standard town play under pressure. I must admit you guys are really committed to this, especially Trfel, who really reread everything and made the right case on Tube. All in all the effort of reading, arguing and counterarguing cannot be replaced. The mafia team put much effort into this, imo makes them the deserved winner. Well played. | ||
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I actually fear the thought that there are people like you guys in real life. They could plan a case against you, gaining support, swinging the momentum, nailing the coffin. All the while you can just watch and "eh, but". Still, there is hope, you just have to know how to be "constructive". The phrase "don't give up" seems kinda cheesy in movies, but it has a true meaning here imo. Btw, just from hearing I can imagine there are games where the tone is much rougher, so this game here I think all the people were very nice, calm, collected, reasonable. I like that a lot. I wish real life people were more like this and not get offended or defensive over silly things, it simply doesn't "construct" anything.^^ | ||
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what'd ya mean by filthy military language? i kinda read on down under 2, this one guy going after you, that was extreme, but you also seemed to provoke him (unwittingly or not), did you noticed something to avoid so such a thing might not occur again? | ||
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And its pretty much bad luck if you get killed. Doc can heal, Vet blocks, some roles cannot die during nights.
