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On April 10 2015 14:16 rsoultin wrote: >> << how retarded are you and is it genetic? (i need to know if i have to be tested :o) It could be. Dr. Pepper is the cure lolz | ||
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My limited gameplay tells me to make sure we don't forget about Ace. There always seems to be a lurker on the mafia team. That being given you could throw me in that category too. He provided enough information to provide information, but did he say that much intuitive? My sister's good at this game so don't town her too fast. Limited prodding at first. Could be because she wasn't around to prod early game though lol Sorren's prodded the most and gotten the most cred for it so it seems. HTS has been in here off an on and seems like she's pretty active and making reads. Her reads kind of align with vet skill at the time though, at least her town reads. Dwarf was hilarious. He probably should go like read the rules or something lolz Defense against sorren to me looked like he was butthurt, but not alignment indicative imo. He needs to defend himself though. More in depth analysis tomorrow after work. Should give you guys plenty of time to see if any of your reads match up with what I come up with tomorrow. Quick go over of plot (bothered me the most but was confusing). Post thoughts in a sec. | ||
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On April 10 2015 08:12 plotspot wrote: I'm considering changing my vote to Onegu. He's playing like a fucktard. But of course I'm still not sure whether it's his strategy or him inadvertently not "getting" some of the things. This is what first bothered me. His early vote (in my mind) shows that he doesn't think early votes matter much. Then onegu scumreads him and early votes him. His reaction? SUPER SENSATIVE. Maybe it isn't fair to judge plot and dwarf differently, and I am. But I don't think he would have expected Ace to react that sensitively to his vote. | ||
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On April 10 2015 14:55 rsoultin wrote: what about sorren? Sorren appears to be the mvp prodder this game (geez rso you scrub lolz) I liked his prodding. Seems like the angry prodder and I hope he keeps doing it. | ||
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On April 10 2015 08:41 plotspot wrote: prplhz is 100% town. I can smell it.^^ Plot, can you explain why you think this? I'm assuming you didn't actually 100% believe it, but you just think he's town. Also, what do you think of dwarf and onegu so far? | ||
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On April 10 2015 15:08 rsoultin wrote: Lol youre the scrub, saying others reads on him and expecting me to infer you agreed hmm townies can be hypocrites too? xP regarding plot kinda like that you noticed though lol we can be scrub sibs if u want True. My point is probably weak. But you would expect a town to not go crazy on an early vote and a mafia to go crazy on an early vote. | ||
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On April 10 2015 09:35 Half the Sky wrote: I'm not sure I agree with this. I didn't like his entrance or his opening at all. I need to take a closer look at his filter. Scumreads so far on Bourneq and prplhz (pending filter recaps) and BD. Townleans on Soren, Onegu. Townleans are on the vet peeps (you could say sorren isn't vet but I'd argue). I'm pretty sure Onegu's played a lot. Scums on Bourneq and dwarf as the noobs and prp as vet. Prp is "easy target vet" in my mind. But you could argue against my point that she did scum him. Notice that's the scum that had the caveat on her list. She did talk about giving noobs time. Is that really playing out here? Argument against this is that most people tend to do this because vets are better at looking more towny and stuff which is true. | ||
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Yup. Call me a hypocrite. And I talked about this before. Does he need to defend himself and make some reads? Definitely. A few things that make him look better. 1. He kept getting more and more defensive and not looking logical 2. He didn't early vote someone (right?) thinking that it isn't a big deal. 3. He didn't read the rules or something, which makes me think he is liable to focus on people scumming him because he doesn't really grasp what he is supposed to be doing. 4. Look how much attention dwarf got. Granted you could say plot doesn't know what he's doing either (#3) lol | ||
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On April 10 2015 15:25 Onegu wrote: I don't see anything on dwarf in your filter... If this is for me I thought I had more. All I said before was I wasn't treating Dwarf and Plot the same way. If it is confusing to you I can elaborate tomorrow. | ||
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On April 10 2015 20:43 Soren333 wrote: 1. Saying that someone loses a logical standpoint more and more seems to come from scum than townie because scum obviously clammed up and lost his shit. However, considering that dwarf came into the game without reading the op and was under the influence of sc2 arcade mafia, this is understandable. 2. I think he did vote. 3. Makes sense. 4. He got attention, but I don't see how this is a reason to town read him. My point on 4 was comparing Dwarf to plot. When Dwarf went crazy, people jumped on him. Not everyone, but enough people I would say. When plot did it? Pretty much disregarded until I mentioned things. I would think that mafia people would be more hesitant to jump on their partner. Again, not a strong point but most of my points weren't that strong. Let me check the vote thing. I might have been wrong lol | ||
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On April 11 2015 06:51 Bourneq wrote: I want all of your thoughts. Can I have them? lolz yes. I should be around long enough lol | ||
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You were definitely right about the vote. Rationale was because he thought he had to vote somebody so it seems. It does make that defense point relatively null. | ||
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On April 10 2015 21:00 plotspot wrote: Guys I'm at work, tonight when I have time I will try to detail out whats needed. Still concerning Onegu, before it crosses to real life, I said he was PLAYING LIKE a fucktard (for the couple of first posts that I saw at that moment), not that he is one. And he knows it. Judging by his tone he isn't offended. Unless i'm missing something, my case on you was the only real read against you. Let me know if you need me to clarify my case. Based on this I would think that I wasn't very clear lol | ||
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I still do something similar, although it has been updated. Still not the greatest though, and I don't really base my vote on it too much. Got some other things in the works. I'm hoping one day it is good enough to use, just not now. | ||
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On April 11 2015 02:33 prplhz wrote: i hope jarjar agrees with his sister on something then i'm just going to sheep them lol scrub sibs (siblings...) for the win! you know i'm a noob right? but you know, you should try to make reads. me and my sis do argue...pretty much all the time... and she hurts my man feelings lol | ||
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Dwarf: Post about dwarf IS correct: I don't really see reads. PRP: Prp's half joke? (was it a joke? or not a joke?) is bothersome if he was super serious. Stutter: Entrance slightly bothersome but already addressed. Stutter, do you have any association with Onegu? What are the four people you mentioned you would be fine hanging? IN GENERAL: It seems like people are OMGUS'ing a lot in this game. Please be honest with your reads. I don't want to have to decipher if you actually believe they are scum besides the fact they scumread you. Someone scumreading you doesn't mean that they are evil. They are just right or wrong, depending on your alignment. | ||
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Ok I could see that. I think I interpreted the post as an "angry that he scummed you" post rather than you having actual reasons. My B | ||
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On April 11 2015 07:49 prplhz wrote: what joke About you sheeping me and RS | ||
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On April 11 2015 07:53 jarjarbinks wrote: "I only said I considered switching my vote, because he made 2 strange mistakes, like wanting a voting thread or saying I didn't explain myself to prplhz when easy checking could have confirmed I did. It was very early in the game, but why am I explaining things, isn't the uncertainty what he is obvious in the quote?" Ok I could see that. I think I interpreted the post as an "angry that he scummed you" post rather than you having actual reasons. My B @Plot | ||
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On April 11 2015 07:56 prplhz wrote: i wasn't joking at all. at that point i seriously intended to sheep you and rso if you agreed on something. but now you just implied that i don't have any reads so i'm not going to sheep you (singular) anyway. Yaaaaaa lol I did do that. Honestly I think that if your town you have a better shot of going off of your reads than sheeping someone you don't know the alignment of. Are you 100% sure Rso's town? I'm not. She could definitely play like this as mafia or town. | ||
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You could be on to something with the shift. He generally was all for dwarf when everyone else was on him. One of the slower ones off of that train. Now is on Ace, who many people are either scumming or suspicious of. | ||
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So I previously wasn't a huge fan of Stutters so far. I'm changing my mind. Sure, Onegu voted Breshke before. There wasn't too much traction on him before that IMO. He made a case and it looked like he thought it was pretty good. It seems like he has been scumhunting around since then. I expect him to show his "top four" and his reads besides Breshke. But he did just get in the game. I don't see him as lynchable right now at all. | ||
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I believe you are still voting dwarf. If say dwarf came back and made reads and stuff and looked super towny, who would you vote next? Who's your next top scumread and why? Based on your filter, I would guess Bourne. Is this correct? You don't seem to notice Plot or Tube much, are they null in your book? | ||
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That tinfoil hat theory?! WHAT?! I mean it's possible and the quotes were spot on. I would say the chances of that happening are slim, but it does kind of fit. | ||
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On April 11 2015 09:14 plotspot wrote: Oh yea, please explain what you guys mean by nulling someone. No read? Yes. | ||
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On April 11 2015 10:48 Stutters695 wrote: Was wondering how long it would take someone to notice that. Was really hoping it'd be a newbie to see their reaction, but can't win them all. Ace: obv policy lynch, nothing more. I'm less confident in seeing an increase in posting from him if we give him time, do he's my fall back if I can't get my main lynch going. Currently I still want Breshke's head. I'm not sure how to vocalize it exactly, but he just feels off. I still see plenty of scum mindset behind his actions and skimming his past 4 (2 scum, 2 town) games day 1 hasn't put me at ease. His play so far doesn't match either meta really. As town he has much more focus in his posts. He might change his mind, but if he saw something he didn't like (my post for example) he would challenge it until he's satisfied, not brush it off. There is also a distinct lack of interaction with the people he suspects. His scum meta does seem to withhold reads until later, but after dying n1 and n2, I can see why he would attempt to change that. He's currently who I want to lynch. The other two I'm really interested in are prpl and plot, but I haven't had the time to really get into them yet. Can you rephrase that question about interactions with Onegu? If you mean us playing together, we have, but nothing notable from memory. Maybe you are right. I just don't see it right now. I don't have the meta experience you do, but I felt like breshke was scumhunting around when reading his filter yesterday. Went after the person he thought was most scummy and has questioned a good range of others. | ||
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On April 11 2015 14:05 rsoultin wrote: oh, and while you're at it... what is your read on ace? you mentioned he's scummy later but i don't think you've ever said you want to lynch him? it seems to me that if your read on him is strong enough to make you question your initial scumread you'd have more to say about him xP lol I couldn't help it. I understand Ace's post wasn't the best, but don't you feel like you might be tunneling? On an inactive player? like literally inactive to the point where he was switched lol I feel like Shining deserves BOD until he at least posts things. | ||
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On April 11 2015 16:30 rsoultin wrote: fair enough...i want to wait on oneg and shining myself lol I=tard sorry sis lol | ||
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On April 11 2015 17:56 Tubesock wrote: There is risk in this play for sure. He could be straight up lynched. But doesn't softing vet help AND taking advantage of people's general unnease of "easy lynches" or "low-hanging fruit"? You can see it in this game with him. He got 4 votes fairly quickly and people started getting quesy. I unvoted. Breshke said something. Prplhz said "I wish people would stop voting a guy who wants to play mysteriously. It's not scummy." It fucking worked. People are talking about other stuff and there is ZERO direction. Exactly what mafia wants. For sweet justice ##Vote: TheBloodyDwarf OK for dwarf (as godfather) to do this a bunch of things would have to happen: 1. He gets the scared mafia thing. It's possible, it is a thing I've seen it twice in 3 games. I think there is a chance he's played as mafia in a different game but probably not one this intense. 2. There is no easy targets. He just said he has no reads so that could be a thing. Plot also said the same, so to a new person this could be the case? 3. He comes up with this plan. Beyond risky, he would have value his life very little. Most of my games see people like dwarf get lynched day one (all been town too). If you look at your quotes, he would have to be very obvious about it too, which might be a problem for someone who was scared mafia (#1). 4. There's even a cop in the game. Take the chances of #1-3 happening and divide it by two. Final Verdict: Ehh. I mean it is possible, but I would say the chances of him doing this are less than the random chance he is any of the mafia roles. I think he is the most like to be godfather out of all of us, but I think we would be more successful at focusing on why people are mafia over straight up godfather. Verdict on Tube for posting: Out there factor could put you in a weird town category. You would look more town if you weren't on him before everyone switched to someone else. Definitely not lynchable today though. | ||
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On April 11 2015 18:47 prplhz wrote: a green check is useless until godfather has flipped. I disagree. A 67% chance of someone being scum is better than random chance they roll scum by a lot. I don't see a cop killing themselves over it though, both because it is not the smartest move and you would definitely lose face if the person you check does flip godfather. | ||
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On April 11 2015 18:53 prplhz wrote: this is super debatable but what isn't debatable is that sc2 arcade mafia players in a newbie game would never do this. anyway, COP SHOULDN'T OUT HIMSELF TO GIVE A GREEN CHECK. Is sc2 like starkingdoms? If that's the only place dwarf came from he definitely didn't do this lol | ||
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lol... so my defense of dwarf was really just to show the differences to their reactions at being voted on. I was trying to say plot looks worse than dwarf. They both did the same thing actually. Both voted early on someone. Then overreacted when they got scumread/voted on early. The key difference was that plot talked about how early votes didn't mean much before he overreacted. He later makes a defense for it, which I'm not sure I believe. I'm diving him and Prp after all this catch up. | ||
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On April 11 2015 23:37 rsoultin wrote: meh lol plot and wallpost of null beautiful bourne i still cant follow, why plot now >< tch, sorry guys im out for the day plot/soren should be the lynch...if not follow bresh...hes smart and prob town this game ill be back later this evening ....using logic....lol soooo if prp, bresh and me are her top town reads....that means.... MY MANFEELINGS! | ||
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On April 10 2015 07:30 plotspot wrote: Since the rules states I have to vote, and I can't decide, I vote alphabetically. It's still plenty time lift for interaction, I might change my vote anytime, hence I asked whether we can change our vote. I don't see it written on the first page about changing votes. So better vote before I forget to.^^ Btw, I didn't read any mafia threads yet, just the general guide. This post aligned with him describing his vote was alphabetical (to me) is saying "this vote is too early to actually matter so Aces technically shouldn't get mad at the vote." | ||
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On April 12 2015 01:46 plotspot wrote: Lol I'm found out, why don't you all vote me? Then you don't have to discuss anymore why to vote anyone else. This might spare distrust within town.^^ Top readers here. Obviously I've made it look too easy. Too bad.^^ lol you still got time! Of all the people scumming you right now, which one do you think is most likely the mafia person trying to hop on the train? | ||
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On April 10 2015 08:12 plotspot wrote: I'm considering changing my vote to Onegu. He's playing like a fucktard. But of course I'm still not sure whether it's his strategy or him inadvertently not "getting" some of the things. Overreaction to Onegu scumming him.... | ||
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On April 11 2015 07:43 plotspot wrote: I only said I considered switching my vote, because he made 2 strange mistakes, like wanting a voting thread or saying I didn't explain myself to prplhz when easy checking could have confirmed I did. It was very early in the game, but why am I explaining things, isn't the uncertainty what he is obvious in the quote? Defense. This IS feasible. I COULD be tunneling on him. I could see him coming up with this though to look better. If anyone's around please halp | ||
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On April 12 2015 01:55 plotspot wrote: Like I give away my partners.^^ I want scum to win remember? Why would I do that? Ok, since town should have a chance as well. I'm giving out 4 names, that's maximum 50%, be happy: Bourneq, Soren666, Half the Sky and prplhz. And don't ask, I won't explain.^^ lolz so If was to come by with a dollar and say "Mr. George Washington REALLY WANTS you to give up your scumpartners" would you change your mind? On another note, I didn't find too much else in your filter. Your biggest post is defensive (which is bad). That being said from reading your posts I don't think you are holding back anything (which is towny). I think you are definitely lynchable today. You have mentioned you are seeing the train coming. Advise? Make a case on one of those guys. Show your trying to find scum rather than defend yourself. Personally I think you are hilarious, if that means anything...lol | ||
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On April 10 2015 09:43 prplhz wrote: okay i don't see the tone or the timing as anything to give townlean for the second part of your post is pure nonsense lol like complete nonsense Prp, for saying you never look towny you look pretty towny in this game. I liked your prodding of HTS. I also liked your recent spat with Soren. Tunneling on Bourneq isn't too terrible either, as he wasn't too strong early game if I recall. Your standing went up in my book. | ||
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On April 12 2015 02:20 plotspot wrote: So I am "lynchable today", but you don't necessarily think I'm scum? Hey townsfolk, he is suspicious.^^ How do I make people think 100% that I'm scum, still trying to work this out.^^ Defense is bad right? yeah I know. I've given up on it. But what did prplzh say? Defense is better than "rolling over". He is on the defense, definitely scummy.^^ lol Yes "lynchable" as in scummy enough for me to be OK lynching you. I understand the confusion and how you can spin it though. | ||
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IF I had to say someone's town: 1. Stutters- not a lot of posts but I like what I see 2. Tubesock- crazy theory correct or no, usually town pulls out those crazy theories. Plus if Dwarf IS Godfather, then Tube is definitely MVP. Prob town? Concerns 1. Breshke- Lack of attention early got me curious, but my analysis shows town behavior. 2. Soren- Prodded early. Disappeared and called out for it. Miraculously comes back when called out. Good analysis after though and I liked his prodding. 3. Prp- Recent analysis of him looks towny. I might not like the blatant sheep but Bourneq train probably isn't starting Not Lynchable 1. HTS- Decent analysis but a couple things bothered me. Still probably vocal enough to catch later if she is evil 2. Bourneq- Someone I want to look into more, but haven't. I thought the beginning was weak. 3. Onegu- Where did he go? Lynchable 1. Dwarf- Theory could ring true I guess. His actions were definitely not helping town. Could be new (I was kind of similar) 2. Plot- Yup. The guy I can't shake. Gonna be my vote unless something crazy happens. | ||
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On April 12 2015 02:40 plotspot wrote: I don't understand the bold part. If you could elaborate that would be great. Is "spin it" another mafia terminology for some kind of stuff? I don't think its a term for this game or anything. It's kind of something like the news does? It's kind of like how news anchors can "spin" somebody's quote to make them appear like they are saying something they don't mean. I wish I could think of a good example of people doing that. If you watch college basketball, I could give you a good reference. | ||
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She's under prp (prob town? section). Concern on the ace tunnel, which I think she's done with. They stuff she did last night and today looked pretty good though. | ||
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I'll be on for a little bit to catch up. Anyone else on? | ||
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I thought it was interesting that he said he was very liable to bus as a mafia teammate(and would bus a bad mafia teammate), and then hts votes plot BECAUSE she thought he wouldn't bus. Did she just miss his quote? It seemed like she was analyzing him pretty hard at the time to decide her vote. Crucial time to miss something like that in a guy with a small filter. | ||
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On April 12 2015 15:47 The Shining wrote: Sort of. Top of page 23. At this pace, I should be caught up before EoN though, provided I don't fall asleep lol. Nice to see you again, JJB. I came in dead set on nailing you in particular if I read you as scum at all(See: our last game together). I'm really hoping your alignment is diff this time around lol. lol that's why I secretly wanted you to take my spot before the round started. I saw you wanting to play and I was like O CRAP i'm totally paying for my sins this round. I hope your as good this time around as last time. You were so spot on last round lol in my defense that game I did call myself "the scummiest" like 4 or 5 times that game lol What do you think of strutters and hts so far? | ||
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On April 12 2015 05:58 Half the Sky wrote: Stutters voted plotspot. Would someone bus someone this early in a newbie game? He's a veteran, but probably not. ##unvote ##vote stutters695 Can I call myself an idiot now? Disregard that bit about hts | ||
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On April 12 2015 06:02 Onegu wrote: I think rsoul is. My second newbie I bussed the shit out of my partners day one She does have a tendency to bus "bad" mafia teammates. I wouldn't say she started the train on plot, but I think her vote greatly helped it get traction. Leader-1st follower mentality. I don't know if I would say that is the smartest play (and she is beyond logical) unless she didn't see anyone else as an easy lynch. I'm interested in your case on her though. She seems less "on top of the game" than the last time I played with her, but that could be due to the whole travel/LS thing. | ||
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On April 11 2015 21:18 Soren333 wrote: Where do I even begin with this horrendous post... I'll dissect that post when I'm on the pc. I'm only quoting this because this never happened. Not a huge deal, but it would have been nice to see a case on plot though, since he voted for him and stuff. His list has Plot and Dwarf as #1 and #2. Seems blown away by the tubesock case, so why not vote Dwarf? Before he voted the vote count was 3 in favor of plot and 1 in favor of Dwarf (without Tubesock voting yet). His biggest case clears prp. I'm surprised he left it that way. I would think he would want to make the effort to lynch the right guy. If Soren is mafia, I could see how he might think plot would take less effort and take the attention away from him later on. | ||
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I gotta crash. Shining your right about Rso. I can vouch for her trip if that means anything. And that post of mine was dumb, cuz Rso didn't bus because plot was actually town... | ||
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Reasons why HF was killed that I can think of 1. HF can read another vet well or is good at this game? I have no experience with the guy 2. Scum doesn't want to reveal anything 3. Scum is not worried about anyone so far #2 is probably most likely...if anyone think #3 is very possible we might need to check our highly townread people in the game (bresh? tube?) or doublecheck at the highly scumread right now (dwarf? stutters?) | ||
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On April 12 2015 05:58 Half the Sky wrote: Stutters voted plotspot. Would someone bus someone this early in a newbie game? He's a veteran, but probably not. ##unvote ##vote stutters695 If I got Rso's argument right, she thinks that HTS vote switch is strange due primarily to the fact that HTS thought both targets were bad and there was no chance stutters was dying at EOD, which HTS was there long enough to understand. IF SO This would be the only quote that would even make you think that HTS thought plotspot was town. But I would argue that when HTS went to post this, she already knew she was going to vote stutters. It might be a formatting thing, but most people post their votes after everything else they say in the post. Given all that, I can only see her doing this vote for three reasons: 1. She is scum trying to look better later on. 2. She is scum trying to bus stutters later just in case people keep scumming him. 3. She is town, and wants to feel good about not mislynching plot. Also a lot of people haven't been reading her that much before N1. IF she does flip scum, this could give some merit to my point #3 earlier, that scum didn't feel threatened enough to kill someone in game. | ||
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On April 13 2015 13:32 rsoultin wrote: lol jjb >> thank you for the rundown but what do you actually think, gungan? i've been wanting to sink my claws into you! xD lolz so angry! and btw I had thoughts in there I swear! They were real things lol | ||
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ya I was scumreading her in that post...lol i'm confused as to how HTS missed the rationale behind tube's change as well. I mean it wasn't a solid case for a change, but it was clearly there in his filter around his vote. He shows more rationale for his change than HTS did for hers. Altho I definite missed things on pretty much everything I said last night...lol | ||
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On April 13 2015 13:39 rsoultin wrote: this post was interesting to me have you looked into who you think is scum given the second option yet? I started it, im super behind on my reads sheet so I tried to go with whoever it appeared were each persons top 3 scum. It has a lot of issues with is but in general there were some people who weren't being scummed much and some people who were being towned a ton. People who weren't on top town or top scum the most: Onegu HTS JJB Tube People who were top 3 town most: Prp Tube Bresh JJB Granted, this analysis has flaws. And note I AM ON BOTH, so if anything it I'm showing that I am not altering the analysis AT ALL. I think if I had my reads stuff updated this would be better, and there was a few people that it was hard to tell who their top scum/town were while others it was easier to ascertain. | ||
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On April 13 2015 13:43 rsoultin wrote: honestly i kind of got the impression you were half-drunk making some of those posts >> were you out drinking? xP did you notice something else or just like my case? lolz well it was like 3-4 am xD I pointed out the only time she mentioned thinking plot was good! and then said she probably thought of voting first that's like a thing right lol but ya besides the lack of strong reads on HTS before D2 started I got nothing else lol | ||
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The second option said they were just trying not to reveal anything with the kill. If that was mafia's pure reason than the only thing you can analyze is that they are confident that whatever people have against the team won't stick. | ||
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On April 13 2015 14:07 rsoultin wrote: uhhh i meant...maybe i got the options mixed up? we can both be idiots lol >< i don't know what your lists mean or what conclusion you've drawn from them, is what i'm trying to say yo tube what about my case on hts? I was saying that if mafia could have been comfortable enough in the game to not need to lynch anyone specifically. Those lists show the people that are least noticed or most townread, hence "not being threatened" before the NK | ||
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lol hey Trf.....sooooo....its been awhile...lol first readthrough of hts's case was pretty good. really looking forward to the other two. also i'm pretty sure Trf's first case is longer than at least two people's filters in this game lol | ||
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On April 14 2015 07:47 Trfel wrote: Hi, jarjarbinks! It has been a while. And with good reason, if we played again sooner, I probably would have lynched you out of pure spite. lol actually that was literally my last game xD Rso's in here, then shining replaces, then you replace lolz pretty hilarious lol | ||
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1. He is scum and not really trying. This is evident in his first read on bresh. His posting is rather small for someone who has played and knows the game. He seems to focus on himself and people talking to him over others His largest case is on prp, the guy who got the train started for him D1. 2. He is town and is going for a low content/high quality kind of game. Is probing and looking for reactions. His first read on Bresh didn't have much right? He was probably looking for a reaction there and didn't like the reaction, which is evident in his later post on him (i'll quote after this). He sets a trap for Trf. He doesn't really defend himself (I guess he's confident he won't get lynched?) but instead focuses on figuring people out in this game. The more I read his filter, the more I believe in #2. IF THIS IS TRUE, than I'm much more suspicious of the people on his train: tube, hts , and prp. With his low content posts, he appears to be an easy target. You could call it a trap? And guess what? All three were on my lists I drew up earlier. hts and prp drew red flags from me earlier. This also helps make the NK make more sense. Looks like I know where to look to find some scum lol | ||
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On April 14 2015 08:58 Stutters695 wrote: I legit have no idea, are you JarJarDinks as well from Basterd Mini? Nope. Just the straight up Gungan lol My last game was as scum in a newbie game...I'm not sure who you check past games... Rso, Shining, and Trf were in it though. I think I had a different student game with Rso, Trf, and Shining as well if that helps | ||
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1. Who is your top scum target? Bourneq? Onegu? Tube? Stutters? If you say Onegu we have a problem. Granted, I think #2 on your case might be viable, but I think you blew that case out of proportion. If you don't mind putting out a top 2 or something that would help me understand where you stand? Since EOD happens before I return from work I'm going to put up a tier list and a vote right now. List: lower you are the scummier I think you are even in categories IF I had to say you were town: Breshke- not most vocal but reads are pretty good and I liked D2 play. Townleans Stutters- Still think he's town. If HTS clears her name and PRP gets more towny I'm completely wrong... Trf/Onegu- Onegu was on drugs + funny. HTS's case on him was good, but it didn't convince me he's scum. Trf seems like superTrf like my last game with him. Rso- Didn't dominate D1. Did more D2. Interactions with her didn't draw red flags, but she could fool me in a heartbeat Unlynchables Shining- Ace was questionable. Shining's gone. Excuse? Idk. Literal null for me prob. We shall see. Tube- On Stutter wagon (lolz) and seemed to be TR or not read much. And he dissed the list. Tinfoil tunnel seemed genuine though. And HTS's case on him was weakest by far. Bourneq- I didn't get much chance to go through him, but HTS's case on him I thought was her strongest. Especially the policy over the hard scumread. Plus he's the guy I keep forgetting is playing. HTS- unless her top two scumreads strikes a nerve I don't want to lynch. Some pretty good analysis and I liked the D1 analysis more as I went through it. I could see how her EOD story is believable, just not sure to believe it or not... Lynchables Dwarf- Scummy D1 play + on Stutter train + earlier case I posted + 0 scumhunting + policy + no real danger of lynched? Prp- I wish I got to this. If I magically have free time tomorrow I will make a case. If not pretend I did and check him. Red flag + worse filter than HTS + earlier case I posted + on my list for most TR ##vote: Prp | ||
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Sorry again... bad EOD time for me unfortunately...i think? Its 430pm ET right? i'll be on for a few secs while im brushing my teeth if you are confused/concerned. | ||
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On April 14 2015 13:32 rsoultin wrote: 5pm your time pretty sure jjb question for when you get back: why is hts so low given your assessment of her? lol Did my assessment seem that nice? I think there was some points to scum her, they just didn't make up the strongest case and her later posts probably made up some ground. I'm still not sure I believe why she switched votes. She was still in that group of people not really being read at all and her better cases were after she was being voted on, granted she can't do much about that. Sometimes it seemed she was stretching it a bit too, like her case on tube. It looked like she was spinning the case while leaving out information that severely weakened her case. Still she's higher than she was before I checked her thanks for the help. Maybe i'll get lucky and can get on my phone after work before 5. | ||
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Ya dude. Don't diss the list bro lol | ||
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On April 13 2015 14:17 Tubesock wrote: You are leaving out percentages! Am I at 89% or 90%? Haha sorry I thought I was really funny and didn't realize I was being a dick during that game. Sorry I murdered you. How do I use this information? First line: HILARIOUS. I literally laughed. It was great. "How do i use this information?" ITS A TOOL! USE IT! you might as well have said, this list serves no point to nobody lol | ||
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dwarf, it takes like 3 ish games to get the game? I promise you I was just about as scummy looking as you when I started as town if not worse. You had some pretty funny posts I hope you don't quit on us because we misread you. Hope to see you again on here! | ||
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On April 15 2015 05:57 Breshke wrote: I will hammer prp to save dwarf. Prp has him as top town its what he would want. Also shining and rso pushing for him makes me feel even betetr about saving him omg I hate this logic. IT MAKES NO SENSE!! I didn't even finish reading and hate this. The thing is it is the 2nd time I saw this and freaking GB was town when he did it. It makes absolutely no logical sense. If prp IS ACTUALLY TOWN, he KNOWS IT. 100%! His top townread? honestly I doubt is higher than 90%. It's probably in all reality 70% and likely to change as the game changes. No one in their right mind would want this. Someone please explain to me how this makes sense if i'm crazy. ugh is this even alignment indicative though? Probably not which is even sadder. Come on guys. | ||
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On April 15 2015 07:23 Stutters695 wrote: Speaking of which, where were you guys? Unfortunately I get out of work around EOD time. No phone service and internet makes it so I can't get on TL... PT for ACL made it so I can't really leave work early lol | ||
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I need to go through that EOD again... Trf looks very towny. Can someone point to a scumgame of his where he is acting like this? I doubt you can. I also think prp could definitely pick dwarf early to townread and defend. The longer dwarf lasts and prp defends him the better he looks. ugh I see the point about bresh and prp both couldn't be scum too. not logical to pick your scummate over town dwarf here. Prp had a solid chance of dying, unless bresh knew no one else would switch to prp or switch knowing prp would get lynched. Like you could get towncred for killing prp and keep a lurker out there for a mislynch, but that definitely isn't worth it. Granted, I pulled the non logical my last game as scum and it worked out....but it was rather retarded. still highly unlikely both are scum. | ||
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On April 15 2015 08:46 The Shining wrote: Lol this, amongst other things I've brought up regarding Bresh, are why I think he's scum. maybe I didn't see this, but I don't see where you brought this up? and I don't really know how scummy this logic is honestly. Not the smartest? Definitely. It IS scummy to use this as the reasoning behind your vote though. Plus the whole "i'm going to go to bed and let you guys squabble over if i'm town or not" makes no sense from a town perspective. If you are town, you do try to get people to squabble over your actions because that wastes valuable time to find real scum. I understand the need to make your vote relevant, but unless you can't get ANYONE to follow ANY of your scumreads then you look for the most likely guy to flip scum. | ||
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I don't. I need to see what reads breshke came up with before he got bombarded by Rso and others. I thought the "claim if your RB'd" thing was insightful due to the fact I never heard it before. Prp: you were mostly out EOD, what did you make of it? | ||
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On April 15 2015 09:31 The Shining wrote: Jar Jar, this is the post where I mention not liking his switch. I assumed after scumming Breshke and being willing to lynch him, it would be understood that me seeing his switch as "odd" would also mean "scummy." Ok that makes sense. I thought you were talking about my hatred for his reasoning, not the switch itself | ||
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On April 15 2015 09:32 Half the Sky wrote: Stutters (whom I'm townreading) provided the following explanation. We need to ask a few questions here: 1 Is Breshke a high-risk high-reward player? Like Toadesstern? Like sicklucker? 2 How likely is it that any player on D2 would hammer like this in a newbie game especially? I see what you are saying. I would think no to number 2. | ||
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On April 15 2015 09:40 Half the Sky wrote: JJB - Alright, last scumgames aren't doing much to answer #1. He was vigishot in both of his scumgames. + Show Spoiler [Breshke] + [W] Newbie LVIII - Disney Princess Mafia Town Vanilla Town Killed Night 2 Newbie Mini Mafia LIX Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 3 Campus Mafia Town Vanilla Killed Night 4 Student Mafia IV Town Vanilla Survived Day 6 Metal Mini Mafia! Mafia Vanilla Killed Night 1 New Years Eve Party Mini Mafia Mafia Roleblocker Killed Night 2 Student Mafia V Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 4 Horn of Africa Mini Mafia Town Vigilante Survived Day 3 still 2 is relatively unlikely.... but since we don't know the answer to number 1. Why would one of the vets in here pull this play now? | ||
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I think I earlier give some cred because he liked one of my posts. biased and I shouldn't have thought that. still, could bresh acted poorly EOD because he was flustered town? does he get flustered often and play illogically in past town games? | ||
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On April 15 2015 10:33 Breshke wrote: So i want to explain my EoD actions because not many people seem to be understanding. There was three wagons. Shining, who i think is scum Prp, who i was null town leanish/hadn't looked into much since D1 TBD who I had no diea about. It was obvious to me that the shining lynch was not going to go through. The only person whow anted it in the thread as much as i did was trefel. After realising i would not get the lynch i wanted i assessed the other two wagons. Rso and shining were both voting on TBD. If shining is scum RSo is most likely his partner because the way is ee it she stopped im from getting lynched EoD. That coupled with the fact with how fast she flipped her read on me while seemingly calling me town all game leads me to think they are both scum. This lead me to the conclusion that i would rather lynch Prp than dwarf because if shining and rso are scum they would not BOTH be voting their scum partner TBD therefore it would be more likely that prp was scum than TBD I honestly don't know where the bolded part has come from but I want you to know whatever your alignment and whatever my allighnment this is not how i was trying to come across to you. I hoenstly did not think you would get enough votes on me and i was having a hard enough time actually finding someone i thought was scum after i flipped on bourne so i wasn't interested in trying to defend myself with like half an hour left when i felt it wasnt necessary and there was more important things to do. This makes sense and I can see how you were thinking that. 10x better than your reasoning EOD. Honestly I wished you put (even an abbreviated) version of this EOD instead of what you did so I knew 100% this was why you were voting, but I think I can see how you got this in your filter. | ||
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did you see breshke's defense on his vote? What do you make of it? | ||
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On April 15 2015 12:22 The Shining wrote: It does make sense in that perspective. However, there is still a disconnect between "placeholder vote", me coming into thread and casing him, and him moving to "he's scum, lynch Shining." It looks like an OMGUS. I want to know where and why I'm being scummed. If he can't tell us that, then why is he scumming me? Tldr: unexplained scum read of a guy that scum read him with given reasons. Please explain. What is tldr? honestly based on his "thirds" quote on you (where he originally voted you) I would assume his read on you wasn't that strong | ||
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D2 votes with D1 votes prp bresh tube stutters shining i'll be around for about 10 min then i'm crashing | ||
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no im not vigi have you read my filter? lol i'm super behind, church things after work lol | ||
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On April 16 2015 12:29 The Shining wrote: Strange reaction. Did you bread crumb something in your filter? If you did, and you're Vet, now's the time. If not, I'm not really sure how your filter is supposed to tell us you're NOT Vig. well he was one of my top townreads...why would I shoot one of my townreads? | ||
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I think prp and tube are mafia based on NK's. This claiming stuff is a nightmare. It would be nice to see if Bourneq will validate shining as vig. I think Shining is vig here. | ||
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On April 16 2015 13:34 rsoultin wrote: can you explain this please? you left a list post right before you went to bed last night that i didn't follow at all :/ then ask me about it? I thought it made sense lol prp and tube push stutters lynch day 1. kill HF because by N1 they were both doing relatively well (see list). now that stutters, hts, and dwarf are all town this leaves them if this is true, theyre play on dwarf was phenominal and also sucky for dwarf. prob saw his play early and saw the opportunity to use him. prp to get credit for constantly defending the misread townie and tube for crazy tinfoil theories and no hate for constantly pushing the mislynch they have changed to my top two filters now to go through I need to check to see if things would line up. | ||
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On April 16 2015 13:59 rsoultin wrote: hmmmm so you're saying you think the HF shot happened because scum was sitting easy and didn't have to worry about anything after day 1? lol >< i can see that thought process for sure if prp's not scum you probably are xP who is your third scum, jjb...do you have one? Less confident in this one: Bourneq. Tube doesn't really discuss D2. Prp votes him D1 but doesn't push-switches. D2 votes him but doesn't push-stays on because it didn't matter (or was actually gone). Would fit the theory too in my opinion. You would be an interesting 3rd choice, but it's hard to believe that your both scum considering your actions with each other. You would fit my theory fantastically well though. What do you think of Tube | ||
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On April 16 2015 14:00 rsoultin wrote: this was the list? no clue what you're even talking about here no let me find it | ||
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On April 13 2015 13:51 jarjarbinks wrote: I started it, im super behind on my reads sheet so I tried to go with whoever it appeared were each persons top 3 scum. It has a lot of issues with is but in general there were some people who weren't being scummed much and some people who were being towned a ton. People who weren't on top town or top scum the most: Onegu HTS JJB Tube People who were top 3 town most: Prp Tube Bresh JJB Granted, this analysis has flaws. And note I AM ON BOTH, so if anything it I'm showing that I am not altering the analysis AT ALL. I think if I had my reads stuff updated this would be better, and there was a few people that it was hard to tell who their top scum/town were while others it was easier to ascertain. this one tube dissed it | ||
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On April 16 2015 14:35 rsoultin wrote: lol speak of the devil >< lol got her | ||
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On April 16 2015 14:37 rsoultin wrote: yes it was! i know what your other list was and you already explained that i'm trying to figure out what you were doing in this post? o.0 that was a list of my things to do... which I didn't do... except for the first two (prp was a skim though...skimmed tube just now, still thinking they are a team) | ||
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On April 16 2015 14:38 Trfel wrote: Hm, thanks for quoting that post. It actually looks quite suspicious lolz SO SUSPICIOUS xD it's honestly the first time I ever had to click on my own filter, just seems wrong in a way | ||
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On April 16 2015 14:42 rsoultin wrote: he's hot and he's cold lol >< i think i mentioned earlier that if anything makes him scum this game, it's he's not as active as he should be? like, joat for instance i remember thinking all he'd done was collect votes, but when i opened his filter it was actually a lot of good things overshadowed by the vote collection...i even completely rescinded my scumread on him lol ... here it's mostly the dwarf gf stuff from his tinfoil theory, if i recall correctly :/ tonally that theory seemed very townie because of the enthusiasm, but that's it? -_- yeah he could definitely be scum, but i need to filter him closer i am the SCUM QUEEN! lol >< according to ls how do i fit your theory? i feel like i'm usually more townread generally than i have been this game -_- which is my fault because of day 1 but lol >< kinda told y'all day 1 was gonna be bad pre-game -shrugs- Biggest point was that if prp and tube were on a scumteam, they needed someone that was either under the radar or could "lone wolf" scum. You would make a good "lone wolf" scum and you were scumread by a few at the time (onegu for sure, hts ish if I remember right) but it wasn't much and you could probably get away from it (which you did...lol). Plus this isn't MVP rso game for sure. HTS getting NK'd N2 as town just made it more obvious. Plus you haven't said "red flags" much this game. I think tube's list of townies brought it up a little further too.... let me find it | ||
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On April 16 2015 10:04 Tubesock wrote: ##Vote: Breshke I think I have this game solved. I need time to double check. Prp, Rso, Shining all town. I absolutely believe Shining. Who thinks Rsoultin was a NK risk? I didn't and I have a huge mafia skill crush on her. I didn't think HTS would be either I thought Stutters, Trfel, or Breshke. I didn't do a legacy either as I'd think scum would be dumb to shoot me over those three. HTS died cause she was on to something or the biggest risk. good MYLO strat for tube if Rso and Prp are his partners | ||
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On April 16 2015 14:58 The Shining wrote: JJB, So basically that's just a list post of promises you're expected to fill and you're here saying you barely started? I don't think I can objectively read JJB right now. Maybe after I smoke and unwind from work. I'm starting to see similarities in that last scum game to this one. RSo, do you think last time he scummed(the team was him and Silver, 9 player game) you were NKd N1 because you could effectively meta both of them? With a vet on the scum team this time around(See: Prpl), and seeing your slow play D1, I think it's still possible the vets would kill HF and HTS for being universally townread before you, even if JJB was pulling for your NK. JJB himself said this isn't MVP RSo. I'm not effectively scumming JJB yet but I had to field this question. Although it still doesn't make too much sense to me for JJB to AFK EoD while voting a scummate. And Prpl is willing to lynch into JJB, apparently. Also yay, Prpl made an appearance. So if Bourne CCs anyone other than Breshke, he is lying. Even if he does CC Bresh, I'd still be inclined to think he's lying. yes that's what I said look at the list again and see what's left Shining, do you have access to our scum QT? I talked to her about it. All those decisions weren't about her. | ||
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On April 16 2015 14:55 rsoultin wrote: what's a lone wolf scum?? heh >< yeah well none of the games i've played with you have been MVP rso...don't let the nomination for the one game i was mislynched in fool you lol >< that was pity regardless i'd rather talk about your scumreads that actually have a chance of being scum xP what was it in tube's filter that supports your theory on him and prp being a team? I don't think your D1 in my scum game was that bad honestly, although you did think I was town lolololz I mean you were distracted sure but you led discussion better than this one. the mislynched game I thought u did too although that might just be cause you defended me the whole time lol lone wolf scum- a scum that can play by themselves and be OK. I figured you do this well as you mentioned to me in the past that you often bus your teammates and don't use too much teamwork | ||
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On April 16 2015 15:15 The Shining wrote: I don't. I don't think I ever asked to see it. I kind of disappeared from TL for a bit after seeing the ending to that game. XD Nah, I'm not a fan of lists when it comes to you. You're an enigma to me and your lists, percentages, most of what you do seem to only get me lost. XD Half of why I keep signing up for games you're in is it's a constant learning process for me. Same but for other reasons (surgery womp womp) The convo pretty much went like: JJB "i want to kill my sister cuz she's distracted and will find me out" Silver "sure if that's what you think is the best option" JJB "you should probably post soon...lol" | ||
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me or you? you do realize I asked you about him earlier? I already looked through him...notice the quote I used of his earlier? and how I mentioned he never mentioned bourne D2? | ||
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On April 16 2015 15:24 rsoultin wrote: you do realize i answered you? so you just said you finished up his filter...after you posted your findings from his filter -_- riiiiight that makes sense what are you talking about? | ||
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D1 PRP defends TBD CONSTANTLY and tube tinfoils TBD to set up next mislynch AFTER TBD for sure off the table Both jump off plotspot for towncred, who also said confusing things like TBD B4 N1 PRP most TR and Tube not read by most (the list...the list...) Kill HF (kill saying, you guys aren't on to us! We will just kill this new guy!) D2 PRP leaves vote on Bourneq and leaves. Tube pushes to kill TBD PRP no return? More like prp didn't have anything to do. He's not going to come back and lose his towncred for defending TBD so much earlier. If dwarf switches on Prp, Prp simply votes dwarf to save himself. N2 HTS wants PRP dead. Shining breadcrumb. If prp wasn't on team, mafia team probably kill shining am I right? NK HTS D3 Prp does a POE case Tube makes strange tinfoil | ||
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On April 17 2015 07:53 Trfel wrote: Hi jarjarbinks, I see it. I'm working on a post on Tubesock, because I need to go soon, and I'd like to get it out before I leave if possible (not sure I can, though). I'll take a look at your analysis after. One thing I notice is that for your survival, you kind of need to call prplhz and Tubesock both scum. I'm assuming Bourneq is the final scum? The Night 2 kill, again, that would have been Half the Sky regardless of whether or not her reads were good. I don't think the night kill itself implicates prplhz here (though it does suggest that it might be a good idea to borrow Half the Sky's read). I could certainly see the scum team being prplhz, Tubesock, and Bourneq. Bourneq makes the most sense as a third. Mostly POE though. Prp slight pushed him day 1 and day 2 (mostly with just his vote D2) but didn't really make an effort to get real support imo. Hard to see Rso being the third here, unless they planned on being at each others throats. Can't see you as scum. | ||
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Lynch list: 1. prp 2. tube 3. bourneq this game is solved lol i'd much rather kill prp or tube than bourneq here. I might miss EOD again for work so I would rather no shenannies here | ||
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On April 17 2015 12:23 Trfel wrote: Would you prefer that I lynched you instead? And jarjarbinks, I'd greatly prefer to lynch Tubesock over prplhz here. I could see prplhz being town without too much effort, I have much more trouble seeing Tubesock as town. I'm fine with that. I think we need to come to a consensus here though so scum doesn't have a chance to pull a fast one last minute. especially without all of town around to stop it. | ||
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I really don't want to go with my least certain scum here. I'll change at lunch if bourneq is the consensus though so mafia can no shennanies | ||
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IM SORRY MY SINS!!!! lol | ||
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and yes it was all a ruse! lol | ||
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On April 18 2015 06:22 Soren333 wrote: Busy IRL and this game is hard to keep up with. I wake up to 10 pages everyday. Takes two hours to go through everything. If I didn't replace out would you not have killed me/Holyflare? Judging from the qt it sounds like it. ya I know what you mean, coming back from work and seeing like 10 pages to read really sucks lol I've heard there's some games where they limit # of posts and post length? | ||
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On April 18 2015 06:21 Bourneq wrote: lmfao you guys are such fools . HOW ARE YOU NOT SCUM PRPLHZ OMG LEAVE ME ALONE WTH lol right? prp totes got the scrub sibs thing right tho lol | ||
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