Newbie Student Mafia VII

On April 10 2015 14:14 jarjarbinks wrote:
Apologies on the late posting. I'm retarded, but I am playing lol

I'll read up and post thoughts.

On April 10 2015 08:41 plotspot wrote:
prplhz is 100% town. I can smell it.^^

On April 10 2015 15:11 jarjarbinks wrote:


lol we can be scrub sibs if u want

True. My point is probably weak. But you would expect a town to not go crazy on an early vote and a mafia to go crazy on an early vote.

On April 10 2015 20:24 prplhz wrote:
soren333 what do you think about jarjarbinks defense of bloodydwarf? i think it was pretty good.



especially 1

On April 11 2015 06:51 jarjarbinks wrote:
hey guys

i'll be around for a while. reading up. let me know if you want my thoughts on something

On April 11 2015 08:39 jarjarbinks wrote:
Hmm The flip flop begins lol

So I previously wasn't a huge fan of Stutters so far. I'm changing my mind.

Sure, Onegu voted Breshke before. There wasn't too much traction on him before that IMO. He made a case and it looked like he thought it was pretty good. It seems like he has been scumhunting around since then.

I expect him to show his "top four" and his reads besides Breshke. But he did just get in the game. I don't see him as lynchable right now at all.

On April 10 2015 15:40 Breshke wrote:


I'm actually still voting for him so i havnt exactly flipped.

The lynchbait thing was because i felt a bunch of people were jumping on the wagon but i was actually wrong theres only 4 and one is sorren and one if me so it is still fairly pure. The other two are tube and ace and I am kinda town lean on tube but expect more from him. Ace's post where he votes didnt impress me much and thats another thing that attributed to me calling it lynchbait.

On April 11 2015 07:04 jarjarbinks wrote:


My point on 4 was comparing Dwarf to plot. When Dwarf went crazy, people jumped on him. Not everyone, but enough people I would say. When plot did it? Pretty much disregarded until I mentioned things. I would think that mafia people would be more hesitant to jump on their partner. Again, not a strong point but most of my points weren't that strong.

Let me check the vote thing. I might have been wrong lol

On April 10 2015 09:41 Half the Sky wrote:


Townies can be incorrect. I pay attention to the tone and the timing.

Onegu in his town games, for what I recall, claims VT or town early on in game. I know I played Hammertime with him and I don't recall a VT/town claim in that. Admittedly I did not pay as much attention to XXX. If I recall correctly though from the obs QT, I think that claim came on pretty late, or when he was in more trouble.

On April 12 2015 02:33 jarjarbinks wrote:


lol

Yes "lynchable" as in scummy enough for me to be OK lynching you. I understand the confusion and how you can spin it though.

On April 12 2015 05:58 Half the Sky wrote:
Stutters voted plotspot. Would someone bus someone this early in a newbie game?

He's a veteran, but probably not.

##unvote
##vote stutters695

On April 11 2015 07:43 plotspot wrote:


whoa a post from the past.^^ How should I answer this. There is a world of mind. A world of speech and a world of action. I certainly said prplhz is town, I think his early initiative and throrough way of examination befits that of a townsperson caring for the town.

about Dwarf I don't know, looks like a victim so far. Onegu? 70% town. I think the host screwed up. Everybody is town^^. Or he is lazy giving out the roles according to the order on the front page.^^ This should be easy. Man don't read anything from this, I just enjoy the game ok?^^ I mean I observe, this game it really helps to know the posting style or habit or a person. I really cringe at some conclusion about me, you are all paranoid.^^

Ok, I don't have the super reading powers. I just know that Half the Sky and Soren thinks 100% that I'm town. Make of it what you can.



Wait. I didn't call him scum. I think you are awfully suspicious for talking like you know I'm 100% town. That's my original quote



I only said I considered switching my vote, because he made 2 strange mistakes, like wanting a voting thread or saying I didn't explain myself to prplhz when easy checking could have confirmed I did. It was very early in the game, but why am I explaining things, isn't the uncertainty what he is obvious in the quote?

On April 13 2015 13:29 jarjarbinks wrote:


If I got Rso's argument right, she thinks that HTS vote switch is strange due primarily to the fact that HTS thought both targets were bad and there was no chance stutters was dying at EOD, which HTS was there long enough to understand.

IF SO This would be the only quote that would even make you think that HTS thought plotspot was town. But I would argue that when HTS went to post this, she already knew she was going to vote stutters. It might be a formatting thing, but most people post their votes after everything else they say in the post.

Given all that, I can only see her doing this vote for three reasons:

1. She is scum trying to look better later on.
2. She is scum trying to bus stutters later just in case people keep scumming him.
3. She is town, and wants to feel good about not mislynching plot.

Also a lot of people haven't been reading her that much before N1. IF she does flip scum, this could give some merit to my point #3 earlier, that scum didn't feel threatened enough to kill someone in game.

On April 13 2015 07:54 jarjarbinks wrote:
Wow....hope to actually play with you next time HF.

Reasons why HF was killed that I can think of

1. HF can read another vet well or is good at this game? I have no experience with the guy
2. Scum doesn't want to reveal anything
3. Scum is not worried about anyone so far

#2 is probably most likely...if anyone think #3 is very possible we might need to check our highly townread people in the game (bresh? tube?) or doublecheck at the highly scumread right now (dwarf? stutters?)

On April 13 2015 13:40 jarjarbinks wrote:
lolz

ya I was scumreading her in that post...lol

i'm confused as to how HTS missed the rationale behind tube's change as well. I mean it wasn't a solid case for a change, but it was clearly there in his filter around his vote. He shows more rationale for his change than HTS did for hers.

Altho I definite missed things on pretty much everything I said last night...lol

On April 14 2015 07:43 jarjarbinks wrote:
got in and read up

lol hey Trf.....sooooo....its been awhile...lol

first readthrough of hts's case was pretty good. really looking forward to the other two.

also i'm pretty sure Trf's first case is longer than at least two people's filters in this game lol

On April 14 2015 08:46 jarjarbinks wrote:
So I'm trying to figure out stutters because most people are scumming him and I wasn't. I can take two conclusion from what he's done so far.

1. He is scum and not really trying. This is evident in his first read on bresh. His posting is rather small for someone who has played and knows the game. He seems to focus on himself and people talking to him over others His largest case is on prp, the guy who got the train started for him D1.

2. He is town and is going for a low content/high quality kind of game. Is probing and looking for reactions. His first read on Bresh didn't have much right? He was probably looking for a reaction there and didn't like the reaction, which is evident in his later post on him (i'll quote after this). He sets a trap for Trf. He doesn't really defend himself (I guess he's confident he won't get lynched?) but instead focuses on figuring people out in this game.

The more I read his filter, the more I believe in #2.

IF THIS IS TRUE, than I'm much more suspicious of the people on his train: tube, hts , and prp. With his low content posts, he appears to be an easy target. You could call it a trap? And guess what? All three were on my lists I drew up earlier. hts and prp drew red flags from me earlier. This also helps make the NK make more sense.

Looks like I know where to look to find some scum lol

On April 14 2015 13:28 jarjarbinks wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

Tube- On Stutter wagon (lolz) and seemed to be TR or not read much. And he dissed the list. Tinfoil tunnel seemed genuine though. And HTS's case on him was weakest by far.

+ Show Spoiler +

On April 13 2015 13:51 jarjarbinks wrote:


I started it, im super behind on my reads sheet so I tried to go with whoever it appeared were each persons top 3 scum. It has a lot of issues with is but in general there were some people who weren't being scummed much and some people who were being towned a ton.

People who weren't on top town or top scum the most:

Onegu
HTS
JJB
Tube

People who were top 3 town most:

Prp
Tube
Bresh
JJB

Granted, this analysis has flaws. And note I AM ON BOTH, so if anything it I'm showing that I am not altering the analysis AT ALL. I think if I had my reads stuff updated this would be better, and there was a few people that it was hard to tell who their top scum/town were while others it was easier to ascertain.

On April 15 2015 08:43 jarjarbinks wrote:


omg I hate this logic. IT MAKES NO SENSE!! I didn't even finish reading and hate this. The thing is it is the 2nd time I saw this and freaking GB was town when he did it. It makes absolutely no logical sense.

If prp IS ACTUALLY TOWN, he KNOWS IT. 100%!

His top townread? honestly I doubt is higher than 90%. It's probably in all reality 70% and likely to change as the game changes.

No one in their right mind would want this.

Someone please explain to me how this makes sense if i'm crazy.

ugh is this even alignment indicative though? Probably not which is even sadder.

Come on guys.

On April 15 2015 06:31 The Shining wrote:
Since I showed up today, made a case and replied when questioned?

See, I'm used to you tunneling, Trfel. When you think you've got scum, you pursue it passionately. But the last time I saw you tunnel this hard, it was after I offered you an alternate case that could've won us the game. Instead, your tunnel lost it for us.

I'm inclined to think you're just misguided town on me.

As for Breshke, that last minute switch was really odd. If you think both are town, why would you lynch the one that's contributed, as opposed to someone who offered us nothing to this point?

On April 15 2015 09:28 jarjarbinks wrote:
HTS do you think breshke and prp could be on the same team?

On April 15 2015 06:33 Stutters695 wrote:
Also, scum motivations for Breshke attempting to hammer:

If prpl is town, he gets lynched and everything I've done all game is for naught making me a relatively easy mislynch with how divided we are.

If prpl is scum, he gets lynched and gets massive town cred for hammering him. If this is the case that would mean that the third member thinks prpl is doomed anyway which has it's own implications.

Or they're both town and we're royally fucked, but I doubt any of these are happening.

On April 15 2015 10:15 rsoultin wrote:
tbh i've cooled down a little -_- but i was pissed off that he was like fuck you anything you want i don't lol >< right after i said he'd had no time to defend himself so i wasn't going to push his lynch...no i may not have been able to get the votes, but i could have damn well tried and probably gotten close at least >< whatever

his play makes sense as town from the assumption that shining and i are scum -shrugs-

if anything i'm confused about the apparent strength of his scumread on shining that it provoked that reaction, because when he left the thread he made it sound like it was policy and nothing more

On April 15 2015 12:03 jarjarbinks wrote:


This makes sense and I can see how you were thinking that. 10x better than your reasoning EOD. Honestly I wished you put (even an abbreviated) version of this EOD instead of what you did so I knew 100% this was why you were voting, but I think I can see how you got this in your filter.

On April 16 2015 12:11 jarjarbinks wrote:
ok so vigi killed stutters... lol

no im not vigi have you read my filter? lol

i'm super behind, church things after work lol

On April 16 2015 13:29 jarjarbinks wrote:
so this is a mess beyond a mess...

I think prp and tube are mafia based on NK's. This claiming stuff is a nightmare. It would be nice to see if Bourneq will validate shining as vig. I think Shining is vig here.

On April 16 2015 13:50 jarjarbinks wrote:


then ask me about it? I thought it made sense lol

prp and tube push stutters lynch day 1. kill HF because by N1 they were both doing relatively well (see list).

now that stutters, hts, and dwarf are all town this leaves them

if this is true, theyre play on dwarf was phenominal and also sucky for dwarf. prob saw his play early and saw the opportunity to use him. prp to get credit for constantly defending the misread townie and tube for crazy tinfoil theories and no hate for constantly pushing the mislynch

they have changed to my top two filters now to go through I need to check to see if things would line up.

On April 15 2015 12:38 jarjarbinks wrote:
looking for gems tomorrow:

D2 votes with D1 votes
prp
bresh
tube
stutters
shining

i'll be around for about 10 min then i'm crashing

On April 13 2015 13:39 rsoultin wrote:



this post was interesting to me

have you looked into who you think is scum given the second option yet?

On April 16 2015 14:35 jarjarbinks wrote:


no let me find it

On April 16 2015 14:36 jarjarbinks wrote:



this one tube dissed it

On April 16 2015 14:33 jarjarbinks wrote:


Less confident in this one: Bourneq. Tube doesn't really discuss D2. Prp votes him D1 but doesn't push-switches. D2 votes him but doesn't push-stays on because it didn't matter (or was actually gone). Would fit the theory too in my opinion.

You would be an interesting 3rd choice, but it's hard to believe that your both scum considering your actions with each other. You would fit my theory fantastically well though.

What do you think of Tube

On April 16 2015 14:49 jarjarbinks wrote:


Biggest point was that if prp and tube were on a scumteam, they needed someone that was either under the radar or could "lone wolf" scum. You would make a good "lone wolf" scum and you were scumread by a few at the time (onegu for sure, hts ish if I remember right) but it wasn't much and you could probably get away from it (which you did...lol).

Plus this isn't MVP rso game for sure. HTS getting NK'd N2 as town just made it more obvious. Plus you haven't said "red flags" much this game.

I think tube's list of townies brought it up a little further too.... let me find it

On April 16 2015 15:05 jarjarbinks wrote:


yes that's what I said

look at the list again and see what's left

Shining, do you have access to our scum QT? I talked to her about it. All those decisions weren't about her.

On April 16 2015 15:13 jarjarbinks wrote:


I don't think your D1 in my scum game was that bad honestly, although you did think I was town lolololz I mean you were distracted sure but you led discussion better than this one. the mislynched game I thought u did too although that might just be cause you defended me the whole time lol

lone wolf scum- a scum that can play by themselves and be OK. I figured you do this well as you mentioned to me in the past that you often bus your teammates and don't use too much teamwork

On April 16 2015 15:22 jarjarbinks wrote:


me or you? you do realize I asked you about him earlier?

I already looked through him...notice the quote I used of his earlier? and how I mentioned he never mentioned bourne D2?

On April 17 2015 12:18 prplhz wrote:
like i'm not going to say i'm not slightly salty because you lynched both of my noob town reads over my noob scum read but i know that it's also on me. i'm not exactly good at arguing or explaining or drumming up support.

On April 18 2015 06:20 jarjarbinks wrote:
soren why'd you leave? I thought you were playing pretty well lol

and yes it was all a ruse! lol