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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 26 2015 15:10 GMT
#7004
And yeah I'd put Rayn/Rito on Breshke level. Maybe a bit greener.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 26 2015 15:15 GMT
#7006
Nvm, I don't think meta will work on Fecal since it seems like the last time he rolled mafia in a real game (not the 4hr one) he played super serious. He also played quite serious in the town game following, so it seems meta will not be an effective method to read him. Basically comes down to whether his case was a bus or not.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 26 2015 15:19 GMT
#7008
Fecal's interaction with rso though reads quite genuine.

The sudden "fuck you are town aren't you" popping up is something I can really imagine as town and would find hard to fake as scum. I guess it's possible to fake if you're aware that what you're pushing is definitely going nowhere but I think scum would try to find some excuse for it.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 26 2015 15:21 GMT
#7009
But if Fecal is town and I'm entertaining the idea that Superbia is town I have to be wrong on either Breshke or Ritoky. Or Damdred has to have played the sickest scumgame in his life.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 26 2015 15:24 GMT
#7010
I honestly think Slamfish is the best lynch for today because I at least have some reasons for everyone else to be town, I can't read him and I don't think I ever will this game, and there's circumstancial things that make him look bad like Palmar/LS refusing to comment on him.
##Vote Alakaslam
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 26 2015 16:10 GMT
#7028
On March 27 2015 01:01 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2015 10:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 26 2015 10:30 Trfel wrote:
Artanis, why do you think that Onegu is town?

While this post failed to account for Onegu's read on rsoultin and the fact that Onegu has a soul read on raynpelikoneet, I think it is correct in that there is no real downside for mafia fake-claiming vigilante, and there is incentive to do so.

I did some meta reading.
On March 25 2015 23:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Okay there's something in Onegu's tone I noticed in Neat & Tidy (mafia) that struck my eye because it felt very un-Oneguish.
On August 20 2014 13:41 Onegu wrote:
Yeah its not me never has been.

Rayn is the only thing that makes sense. He played me all game and I was wrong thinking I could read him.

Guys please dig my filter and realize its not me. If you fools want to know the reason its not me 100%, I have rolled scum I believe 7 times, of those 7 times I have won 2. A newbie and when I was paired with Marv and Sylencia. In most of the other games rayn it was you who had me pinned as mafia day 1/2 for legit reasons.

The only thing that stuck in my craw yesterday about rayn and makeing me feel he is scum today besides PoE. Is this, i push kush yesterday, rayn then comes into the thread throws his vote on kush, I follow with my vote. He then asks why I feel kush is mafia even though I have already given it, rayn even though voteing kush never gives his reason for voteing kush until late in the day after being pushed for it.

There's something that feels very defeatist about this, and it's formulated in a way very differently to how Onegu said he's fine with getting lynched this game. It feels more... theatrical, like he has to put on a show. Onegu this game has not felt like he's putting on a show at all. I think I'm going to go with town onegu for now.


Also Palmar seemingly committing on Onegu if he doesn't claim (which, if Onegu is mafia, Palmar already knows Onegu can't/won't do) is also an argument in his favour.



What are you saying? I was scum in neat and tidy...

Yes, and I'm comparing the way you said you're okay with getting lynched in that game compared to this one and noticing that it's different.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 26 2015 16:12 GMT
#7030
On March 27 2015 01:11 Trfel wrote:
No thoughts on what I posted about Onegu?

I'm playing poker, saw Onegu post something and figured I could reply to it quickly. Will look into it after.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 26 2015 16:18 GMT
#7033
Also, why do you still want to lynch Ritoky? Rayn/Palmar interactions suggest Rayn is probably town as well as Rayn/Onegu being unlikely due to Onegu claiming mason with Rayn which Rayn then refused.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 26 2015 16:21 GMT
#7034
On March 27 2015 00:30 Toadesstern wrote:
I was honestly starting to like Slam in the last 12 or so hours as well as the first 12 hours. He looked really bad inbetween, for example last day and when he told people to lynch him like he already gave up. Today it looked like townslam.
That's what I meant with I need more time to read Slam... I'm just not sure at all about him. I'm seeing what I consider to be both of his alignments from time to time

I'm getting conflicting messages from people that say they can read him though. Onegu says Slam is scum, Ritoky says he's town and you're in between and since I don't have any idea I'm not sure this is ever going to sort itself out. How do you read Slam? Can you write me a guidebook?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 26 2015 16:22 GMT
#7035
Actually you explained it at the top of the page, nvm.

I just have trouble imagining a scumteam that doesn't involve slam simply through poe.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 26 2015 16:23 GMT
#7037
Also, Trfel, why is Damdred off the table for you but I'm still on it? I understand if you're going the full skeptical way but putting me below Damdred at this point when he hasn't really done much in recent times is questionable.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 26 2015 16:25 GMT
#7040
On March 27 2015 01:23 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2015 01:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also, why do you still want to lynch Ritoky? Rayn/Palmar interactions suggest Rayn is probably town as well as Rayn/Onegu being unlikely due to Onegu claiming mason with Rayn which Rayn then refused.
I'm still not really sold on the whole "Palmar said he's scum, so he's town" thing. And I think it's reasonable that both Onegu and raynpelikoneet were mafia together. I can see Onegu doing something without asking first (I can't verify Onegu saying that he never would), and I can see raynpelikoneet checking the thread before the scum qt.

It feels a bit stretchy though. I actually have no idea how Palmar treats his scumbuddies, just from hearsay. Guess I should look it up.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 26 2015 16:40 GMT
#7042
Palmar on scumbuddies
+ Show Spoiler [(Town Puppy and prplhz in Titanic VII)] +

Town Puppy and Blazinghand are probably town. Someone pointed out that it fits the flavor for there to be two people and there is literally no reason for mafia to fakeclaim that on day 1 (if one of them is 4real mafia just shuts the fuck up and shoots the other in the night). I haven't really read their posts though.


I thought prplhz was town yesterday. He made the point about me not reading OPs but didn't seem to really jump to conclusions over it. Howerver I sorta feel like he's disappeared and not been much of a factor in the game since then but still. I actually used to pride myself on being basically a prplhz whisperer because I'd always know his alignment. So maybe I'm just shit.


prplhz could be town? I don't know, but I didn't get the feeling he was trying to call me mafia for reading the OP, he just pointed out that it was strange behavior for Palmar to do that.


He ended up bussing prplhz near the end, never really talked to Town Puppy but two mentions before he died.


+ Show Spoiler [Geript and Rayn in Russia Today] +
If marv is town, rayn is probably town too, in fact, it's extremely likely that most of marv's reads are correct, no matter his own alignment, because he's usually not blatantly wrong when he's mafia, just wrong enough not to lynch his entire team.


(after Rayn died)
On November 30 2014 08:06 Palmar wrote:
Oh, I guess I'm okay with people who are mafia getting themselves modkilled.

Also, I was literally just about to drop a mega analysis on why rayn was mafia, so I'm claiming credit for that. This is 100% true.


Post 4:

Show nested quote +
On November 27 2014 08:07 geript wrote:
Was that supposed to be a joke Sn0?


This is the hardest post to figure out so far. It feels like a pretty aggressive post for so early in the game. Maybe it's just me but I basically imagine geript being super snarky when he wrote that, which is sort of a strange attitude for this early in the game. I haven't really read on so I don't know where geript was going with this, but still. Then again, forcing things in the early game can also be a town move.


On December 02 2014 00:47 Palmar wrote:
Did geript explain what happened that made Sn0 go from "pls modkill" to "top town"?

Cause that statistical quote seems awful.


I am tempted to just randomly JK into the unclaimed players who could be mafia (geript, superbia, sent, obi, jat etc) to try to stop the night kill.


His next scumgame came from April 2014 so that doesn't really seem relevant anymore. Looking at it though he seems to never bus until the very last moment. He certainly finds reasons to call mafia town in the early phases so that exonerates Ritoky for me.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 26 2015 16:41 GMT
#7043
Then again, reading that Russia Today game, there was some drama postgame where Rayn said he never wanted to be in a scumteam with Palmar again so it's possible a bus erupted out of hate, but meh.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 26 2015 16:45 GMT
#7045
On March 27 2015 01:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Then again, reading that Russia Today game, there was some drama postgame where Rayn said he never wanted to be in a scumteam with Palmar again so it's possible a bus erupted out of hate, but meh.

I also think this is unlikely because Palmar doesn't really carry over frustration from other games. Each game is just a game to him. Rayn might bus palmar, but I don't think Palmar would bus Rayn.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 26 2015 16:53 GMT
#7046
Also this song is beautiful.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 26 2015 16:58 GMT
#7048
Are you sure you want to start a wagon with your scumread?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 26 2015 17:00 GMT
#7051
I already did put my vote there.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 26 2015 17:03 GMT
#7053
In a world where fake mason claims run rampant...
Where meta cases are hijoled without a second thought...
Two arch enemies are forced to band together with a common goal.

To lynch the Slamfish.

Unlikely Alliance - Vivax & Artanis. Coming to a cinema near you.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 26 2015 17:07 GMT
#7056
On March 27 2015 02:03 Trfel wrote:
The way that Palmar scumread raynpelikoneet here feels accidental.
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2015 18:52 Palmar wrote:
On March 19 2015 18:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
let's talk in code words and only explain it in our mason qt Palmar?

It seems wise to take this conversation somewhere private where other people can't hear.
Palmar initially treats raynpelikoneet just fine, no suspicion voiced at all.
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2015 20:20 Palmar wrote:
Same with rayn, rayn hasn't been a dick to me this game which could mean he's mafia.
This is the first time that Palmar shows suspicion of raynpelikoneet. He's mostly joking.
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2015 20:31 Palmar wrote:
##unvote
##vote rayn


:D
His vote never made it to the voting thread, clearly joking.
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2015 20:41 Palmar wrote:
On March 19 2015 20:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Please Palmar explain this.

You call me probably mafia for "not being dick to you". I answer that i am never dick towards you when i am town, and that it's your job to do that to me if you are scum (yes, that's what my post says and don't you even dare to say you don't understand that). You respond with some smartass comment (which in fact IS being dick towards me) and proceed on calling me mafia.

So again, can you show me a game where i am being a dick towards you when i am town Palmar? A game where i start it. I know there are a lot of games where i lose my cool when YOU do this kinda stuff, but that's not relevant.

I vaguely suggested you may be mafia based on one parameter that by definition isn't even that good. My post didn't even imply that I actually think you are mafia.

The fact you've taken that way out of context and basically treat it as me considering you guaranteed scum is an overreaction of the highest order.
Emphasis mine.

Then, Holyflare and Artanis vote for raynpelikoneet. And Palmar reacts as follows:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2015 22:46 Palmar wrote:
Is it okay that I scumread rayn for being a dick to me when I previously scumread him for not being a dick to me?
And still doesn't vote for raynpelikoneet. Why does he change what he already stated was a joke into a scumread as soon as it picks up momentum? And still not actually vote with it?

I don't see how this makes raynpelikoneet town.

Hm, fair point. I just saw him mention Rayn a couple of times as well as a vote but I didn't check to see if that made it to the vote thread. I guess it doesn't exonerate Ritoky yet.
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