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Though I have overestimated mafia teams in the past.
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On March 25 2015 07:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 07:19 Superbia wrote:On March 25 2015 07:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 25 2015 07:16 Superbia wrote:
Like this should be mafia's perspective if slam is town and both vigis are real.
Town is calling for a shot on VE and slam. Both toad and vivax seem to comply.
What does mafia have to lose by not RBing and letting both shots go through?
I've explained what mafia has to gain, possible d3 mylo and 2 big question marks for misslynches. But both Toad and Vivax looked so townie. Town was also coming around to the idea of 2 town vigis by that time regardless of the shots, so I disagree that it truly would leave 2 big question marks. Essentially all that's different with the RB is that Slam is still alive and can still get mislynched, presuming town. No way town keeps these strong townreads going into d2 with those flips dude. Flips change nothing when you've collectively decided on the shots. Hell, Toad shot a townread of his in VE and he's still collectively thought of as town by those with thinking caps on.
sick vivax burn
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On March 25 2015 07:21 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 07:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 25 2015 07:19 Superbia wrote:On March 25 2015 07:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 25 2015 07:16 Superbia wrote:
Like this should be mafia's perspective if slam is town and both vigis are real.
Town is calling for a shot on VE and slam. Both toad and vivax seem to comply.
What does mafia have to lose by not RBing and letting both shots go through?
I've explained what mafia has to gain, possible d3 mylo and 2 big question marks for misslynches. But both Toad and Vivax looked so townie. Town was also coming around to the idea of 2 town vigis by that time regardless of the shots, so I disagree that it truly would leave 2 big question marks. Essentially all that's different with the RB is that Slam is still alive and can still get mislynched, presuming town. No way town keeps these strong townreads going into d2 with those flips dude. Flips change nothing when you've collectively decided on the shots. Hell, Toad shot a townread of his in VE and he's still collectively thought of as town by those with thinking caps on. sick vivax burn
Randomly burning Vivax along the way is the only thing that keeps me going in this game as long as he lives.
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On March 25 2015 07:20 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 07:16 Superbia wrote:
Like this should be mafia's perspective if slam is town and both vigis are real.
Town is calling for a shot on VE and slam. Both toad and vivax seem to comply.
What does mafia have to lose by not RBing and letting both shots go through?
I've explained what mafia has to gain, possible d3 mylo and 2 big question marks for misslynches. I did not comply in the slightest wtf. I raged pretty hard at HF because I thought the plan was retarded and didn't know who I was shooting until after it happened and I got confirmation on it... and you think mafia had an idea who I was shooting?
I thought it was pretty clear at EoN1? I recall you fighting HF on this during N1, but you seemed to be okayish with it EoN1. Maybe I'm remembering it wrong?
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On March 25 2015 07:23 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 07:20 Toadesstern wrote:On March 25 2015 07:16 Superbia wrote:
Like this should be mafia's perspective if slam is town and both vigis are real.
Town is calling for a shot on VE and slam. Both toad and vivax seem to comply.
What does mafia have to lose by not RBing and letting both shots go through?
I've explained what mafia has to gain, possible d3 mylo and 2 big question marks for misslynches. I did not comply in the slightest wtf. I raged pretty hard at HF because I thought the plan was retarded and didn't know who I was shooting until after it happened and I got confirmation on it... and you think mafia had an idea who I was shooting? I thought it was pretty clear at EoN1? I recall you fighting HF on this during N1, but you seemed to be okayish with it EoN1. Maybe I'm remembering it wrong?
On March 22 2015 06:27 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 06:23 Eden1892 wrote:
decent logic on exo there.
vivax who you shootin bruh? slam yeah?
toad who you shootin bruh? ve yeah? I am not going to shoot VE. VE is town imo
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Also Toad and Vivax were both going to shoot Slam but then it turned out you couldn't change actions anymore 20 min before deadline which no one realized.
It would actually be a good point for Vivax to make that I knew that and that's why I started pushing the whole both players should shoot slam thing so late, but then again Vivax can only call me scum for reasons that actually make me town.
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Like I think my logic here is pretty fucking solid.
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On March 25 2015 07:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 07:14 ritoky wrote:On March 25 2015 07:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 25 2015 07:08 ritoky wrote:On March 25 2015 07:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 25 2015 07:06 Superbia wrote:On March 25 2015 07:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also you're forgetting that the JK probably stopped 1KP, which would've made things 3KP otherwise. A RB on a Vivax shooting Slam could easily result in a Slam mislynch. Town vigis either shoot scum or bad townies and either result can be detrimental to scum because it could eliminate mislynches. No, no. That's absolutely irrelevant. The play is to let both KP go through 100%. The misslynch on slam is absolutely irrelevant, because you go into d2 with 5 townies dead and suspicion on the Vigis. 5v10. If you secure a misslynch on that day you have mylo in d3. 1. You don't know if Vivax is shooting Slam or someone else. 2. RBing Vivax isn't between 4 or 2 KP but 4 or 3 KP 3. An alive town Slam is highly likely to get lynched. I don't find your case very convincing. I think there's a good chance Slam is scum, but not because of this. Can you tell me the other reason slam is scum? Super serious at the start, convincingly wanted to change his town meta, then basically stopped playing. If he truly felt strongly about it I think we would've seen more of him this game. Maybe he just realized that a cat is a cat. You can put funny hats on it or little cat boots or even a sweater, but it still remains a cat. I don't think slam is the kind of guy who can help but be himself. I didn't read the early game so I can't attest to that, but I have a pretty good read on him, and he is leaning town on his way to town for me. Can you explain that read on him?
Not really, but I can try a little bit. It is primarily a tone, content, and specificity read. The tone and content read comes from me joking a lot with him and engaging in eye of the chupazi training and kinda starting to get a glimpse inside the wifom bunker after the great bombing of the chupazitron 50000 cracked the shell. There's also this kinda specific tell that he does in regards to directly addressing people with jokes/antagonism as town versus doing it in a general sense as mafia that I don't wanna give away. There was a game a while back when slam fooled me for a good long while cuz I had 0 clue how to read him, then something clicked. It was return of MSpaint mafia. I found that in that game I could very clearly tell who Slam wanted to lynch every phase. He didn't necessarily push them or make an agenda or lead people onto them, but I always knew the exact person he wanted dead. I don't know who he wants lynched as of yet.
There's some other stuff to it, but you would call it absolutely crazy.
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On March 22 2015 06:33 Toadesstern wrote:
Okay Eden you're the only one I'm trusting right now. I'm not going to shoot VE. Period. Take that as me being serious.
Do I shoot Onegu or do I listen to people?
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On March 25 2015 07:25 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 06:33 Toadesstern wrote:
Okay Eden you're the only one I'm trusting right now. I'm not going to shoot VE. Period. Take that as me being serious.
Do I shoot Onegu or do I listen to people?
Mehhh. Nevermind then. My logic is still solid if the shots would've been clear at EoN.
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the whole point that not even I knew who I was about to shoot shows that they were not clear at all...
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On March 25 2015 07:25 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 07:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 25 2015 07:14 ritoky wrote:On March 25 2015 07:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 25 2015 07:08 ritoky wrote:On March 25 2015 07:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 25 2015 07:06 Superbia wrote:On March 25 2015 07:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also you're forgetting that the JK probably stopped 1KP, which would've made things 3KP otherwise. A RB on a Vivax shooting Slam could easily result in a Slam mislynch. Town vigis either shoot scum or bad townies and either result can be detrimental to scum because it could eliminate mislynches. No, no. That's absolutely irrelevant. The play is to let both KP go through 100%. The misslynch on slam is absolutely irrelevant, because you go into d2 with 5 townies dead and suspicion on the Vigis. 5v10. If you secure a misslynch on that day you have mylo in d3. 1. You don't know if Vivax is shooting Slam or someone else. 2. RBing Vivax isn't between 4 or 2 KP but 4 or 3 KP 3. An alive town Slam is highly likely to get lynched. I don't find your case very convincing. I think there's a good chance Slam is scum, but not because of this. Can you tell me the other reason slam is scum? Super serious at the start, convincingly wanted to change his town meta, then basically stopped playing. If he truly felt strongly about it I think we would've seen more of him this game. Maybe he just realized that a cat is a cat. You can put funny hats on it or little cat boots or even a sweater, but it still remains a cat. I don't think slam is the kind of guy who can help but be himself. I didn't read the early game so I can't attest to that, but I have a pretty good read on him, and he is leaning town on his way to town for me. Can you explain that read on him? Not really, but I can try a little bit. It is primarily a tone, content, and specificity read. The tone and content read comes from me joking a lot with him and engaging in eye of the chupazi training and kinda starting to get a glimpse inside the wifom bunker after the great bombing of the chupazitron 50000 cracked the shell. There's some other stuff to it, but you would call it absolutely crazy.
lmao stop making me not want to lynch you for things that have nothing to do with your alignment
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On March 22 2015 08:11 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 08:09 Vivax wrote:On March 22 2015 08:06 Toadesstern wrote:On March 21 2015 08:05 Half the Sky wrote:
Please forward all night actions to Blazinghand and myself at least 20 minutes prior to the daypost.
I did not get to change my shot... I shot VE Why would you have wanted to change your shot, and what would have the real target been? I was on Vivax -> Slam -> VE -> (Slam -> VE -> Slam) in brackets what didn't count anymore. I said I'm not going to shoot VE and do my thing (shoot Vivax) got mad at HF, took a break for 5-10 minutes and in the end listened to Eden telling me to shoot VE despite my weak townread on him.
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so superbia, who have you decided is mafia from this grand theory
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Also orb user do it to Palmar! Ultimate use out of it
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Just went back to check and yeah I started going for the both shoot slam at :45. Someone phone Vivax!
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On March 25 2015 07:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Just went back to check and yeah I started going for the both shoot slam at :45. Someone phone Vivax!
yeah I remember that one because, looking at the time I said something along the lines of "eeeeh, it's not really about wether or not I'm willing to do it but about wether or not it's possible..."
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Also I remember something something about when Ritoky makes sense he's scum. He's making sense now so it bodes poorly for him.
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i really would like the orb to go on superbia
but palmar's ok too
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EPT
