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On March 24 2015 02:05 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2015 02:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 24 2015 01:53 rsoultin wrote:On March 24 2015 01:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:Here i give you the guidelines: LS sheeps Holyflare's read on me. But he is a guy who's about 100% of reads are purely based on meta. He asks Holyflare to proveide my scumgames. Holyflare never does that. Do you think it's LS'y to NOT go check for them by himself? He just keeps calling me scum when there is a wagon on me -- also keep whining about Holyflare not providing those games. Do you think that's what he would do as townie? I said all this on D1. Then he asks me, his scumread (i would assume people read their scumreads posts to better prove their read is correct -- right?) "why did you vote for BM?". Like it's fucking obvious why i did vote for BM. I have had a townread on Vivax all game long and i voted for BM because i did not have a townread on him and Vivax asked me to. Somehow LS "doesn't know this". Like he isn't even trying to be logical, he is just shouting shit all over the place. Good thing is that this confirms me town.  you know i kinda disagree lol that this confirms you town ^ however i do think that the waffle back and forth about calling you mafia or not based on your tracker claim (town) + your vote switch to BM (scum) is ridiculous like the main two people he was scumreading were you and Palmar for that...(but again it doesn't look like he knew what to do with your tracker claim lolol) and Palmar has absolutely no incentive to switch to the BM lynch (whereas I could actually argue reasons for you) if he's scum, because parking on Toad just makes him look stubborn Like do you think LS makes that sort of arguments on me if we are both mafia? I have to confront him in that case (which i did), i have to push him if he didn't give me reasonable answers (which he didn't). That is just stupid mafia play.... I agree it's stupid mafia play, yes, rayn. It's a point in your favor lol ^^ I'm also rethinking my townread on Toad...problem is that's actually not a point in your favor, despite the fact you've been scumreading him  but regardless...i'm not going to be completely forthcoming with all my thoughts right now for strategic reasons ^^
Why is it not? The dude apparently wants to lynch me BEFORE LS, the fucking red check.
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On March 24 2015 01:55 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2015 01:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 24 2015 01:44 Vivax wrote:
Anyway I'll make it known I'd lynch Palmar, if anything cause he bored the hell out of me when he showed up. I promise it's not cause he works in a bank. I don't think Palmar is mafia with Toad and Toad is mafia so Palmar is probably town. Seriously, Toad is so scummy. yeah i've come to the conclusion based on voting alone really lol that both Palmar and Onegu are not scum in this game which is nice i love clearing questionmarks ^^
I think clearing people for votes is too easy. Now that you pointed it out, Onegu did vote LS at a crucial time, but Palmar switching to BM does not feel that significant as both BM and Vivax are likely town. Also, Onegu keeping his vote on LS all day rather than choosing a side kind of counts against him, but N2 should create some clarity here.
Rayn, Toad is not scum. I am 99% sure.
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On March 24 2015 02:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2015 02:03 Trfel wrote:On March 24 2015 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 24 2015 01:52 Trfel wrote:On March 24 2015 01:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 24 2015 01:46 Trfel wrote:
Raynpelikoneet, why did you track Vivax? I said i would track one of Vivax/Toad and i rng'd it. From my perspective, tracking one of the claimed vigilantes seems pointless. If they really are vigilante, then they either got roleblocked (went nowhere) or visited their target. If they are mafia, then they either lied (went nowhere) or visited their target. You only gain information if one of the vigilantes visited someone other than the claimed to, which would be extremely stupid for them to do, unless they were framer/roleblocker. So I'm assuming that you were checking to see if Vivax was actually framer or roleblocker? Or am I missing something? You are half right. It doesn't matter which one i track if i tell i track one of them. If mafia has an way out they probably will not roleblock me. That means they will probably roleblock the vigi who is not mafia (yes, and i assume Toad is mafia -- so that would be Vivax here). Most likely the scum that is not a vigi (assuming there is one between them) is not going to do anything or is going to claim they shot mafia night kill. So it really does not matter which one of them i track, but it will give a 100% confirmation what one of the CLAIMED BLUES did. Had i tracked someone else they can just claim vanilla (or rather, i would not have claimed my check at all until later) and if i miss mafia/town PR i get no info at all. So what you're saying is, because you weren't roleblocked, that means that mafia wasn't worried about the results of your tracking. And your conclusion is that Vivax is town and Toadesstern is mafia. I'm sorry, I just don't understand. You don't need to explain it again, hopefully enough other people understand it so it's a non-issue. What did toad do? I'm confident that Toad shot VisceraEyes. As either the town vigilante or a mafia goon.
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Grr, it seems that everyone is confusing me. Maybe I'm still too sleepy.
Rsoultin, what conclusions are you drawing from your voting analysis? You seem to be saying that voting suggests that Palmar and Onegu are town. Anything else?
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On March 24 2015 02:08 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2015 02:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 24 2015 02:03 Trfel wrote:On March 24 2015 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 24 2015 01:52 Trfel wrote:On March 24 2015 01:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 24 2015 01:46 Trfel wrote:
Raynpelikoneet, why did you track Vivax? I said i would track one of Vivax/Toad and i rng'd it. From my perspective, tracking one of the claimed vigilantes seems pointless. If they really are vigilante, then they either got roleblocked (went nowhere) or visited their target. If they are mafia, then they either lied (went nowhere) or visited their target. You only gain information if one of the vigilantes visited someone other than the claimed to, which would be extremely stupid for them to do, unless they were framer/roleblocker. So I'm assuming that you were checking to see if Vivax was actually framer or roleblocker? Or am I missing something? You are half right. It doesn't matter which one i track if i tell i track one of them. If mafia has an way out they probably will not roleblock me. That means they will probably roleblock the vigi who is not mafia (yes, and i assume Toad is mafia -- so that would be Vivax here). Most likely the scum that is not a vigi (assuming there is one between them) is not going to do anything or is going to claim they shot mafia night kill. So it really does not matter which one of them i track, but it will give a 100% confirmation what one of the CLAIMED BLUES did. Had i tracked someone else they can just claim vanilla (or rather, i would not have claimed my check at all until later) and if i miss mafia/town PR i get no info at all. So what you're saying is, because you weren't roleblocked, that means that mafia wasn't worried about the results of your tracking. And your conclusion is that Vivax is town and Toadesstern is mafia. I'm sorry, I just don't understand. You don't need to explain it again, hopefully enough other people understand it so it's a non-issue. What did toad do? I'm confident that Toad shot VisceraEyes. As either the town vigilante or a mafia goon.
Did he say so?
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On March 24 2015 02:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2015 02:08 Trfel wrote:On March 24 2015 02:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 24 2015 02:03 Trfel wrote:On March 24 2015 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 24 2015 01:52 Trfel wrote:On March 24 2015 01:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 24 2015 01:46 Trfel wrote:
Raynpelikoneet, why did you track Vivax? I said i would track one of Vivax/Toad and i rng'd it. From my perspective, tracking one of the claimed vigilantes seems pointless. If they really are vigilante, then they either got roleblocked (went nowhere) or visited their target. If they are mafia, then they either lied (went nowhere) or visited their target. You only gain information if one of the vigilantes visited someone other than the claimed to, which would be extremely stupid for them to do, unless they were framer/roleblocker. So I'm assuming that you were checking to see if Vivax was actually framer or roleblocker? Or am I missing something? You are half right. It doesn't matter which one i track if i tell i track one of them. If mafia has an way out they probably will not roleblock me. That means they will probably roleblock the vigi who is not mafia (yes, and i assume Toad is mafia -- so that would be Vivax here). Most likely the scum that is not a vigi (assuming there is one between them) is not going to do anything or is going to claim they shot mafia night kill. So it really does not matter which one of them i track, but it will give a 100% confirmation what one of the CLAIMED BLUES did. Had i tracked someone else they can just claim vanilla (or rather, i would not have claimed my check at all until later) and if i miss mafia/town PR i get no info at all. So what you're saying is, because you weren't roleblocked, that means that mafia wasn't worried about the results of your tracking. And your conclusion is that Vivax is town and Toadesstern is mafia. I'm sorry, I just don't understand. You don't need to explain it again, hopefully enough other people understand it so it's a non-issue. What did toad do? I'm confident that Toad shot VisceraEyes. As either the town vigilante or a mafia goon. Did he say so? Yes, Toadesstern says he shot VisceraEyes. And if he is mafia, he still would personally have shot VisceraEyes (no reason to have someone else do it).
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If Toad is scum he CCed a town vig to almost guarantee a 1 for 1 trade by D2. He also felt really genuine spamming his case, really believed in it and I had a productive session with him solving the game during N1. Hks reads also completely matched mine. No way is he scum.
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Excuse me ray I need my q answered. Why did you hard claim to one of your biggest scumreads?
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On March 24 2015 02:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2015 02:05 rsoultin wrote:On March 24 2015 02:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 24 2015 01:53 rsoultin wrote:On March 24 2015 01:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:Here i give you the guidelines: LS sheeps Holyflare's read on me. But he is a guy who's about 100% of reads are purely based on meta. He asks Holyflare to proveide my scumgames. Holyflare never does that. Do you think it's LS'y to NOT go check for them by himself? He just keeps calling me scum when there is a wagon on me -- also keep whining about Holyflare not providing those games. Do you think that's what he would do as townie? I said all this on D1. Then he asks me, his scumread (i would assume people read their scumreads posts to better prove their read is correct -- right?) "why did you vote for BM?". Like it's fucking obvious why i did vote for BM. I have had a townread on Vivax all game long and i voted for BM because i did not have a townread on him and Vivax asked me to. Somehow LS "doesn't know this". Like he isn't even trying to be logical, he is just shouting shit all over the place. Good thing is that this confirms me town. you know i kinda disagree lol that this confirms you town ^ however i do think that the waffle back and forth about calling you mafia or not based on your tracker claim (town) + your vote switch to BM (scum) is ridiculous like the main two people he was scumreading were you and Palmar for that...(but again it doesn't look like he knew what to do with your tracker claim lolol) and Palmar has absolutely no incentive to switch to the BM lynch (whereas I could actually argue reasons for you) if he's scum, because parking on Toad just makes him look stubborn Like do you think LS makes that sort of arguments on me if we are both mafia? I have to confront him in that case (which i did), i have to push him if he didn't give me reasonable answers (which he didn't). That is just stupid mafia play.... I agree it's stupid mafia play, yes, rayn. It's a point in your favor lol ^^ I'm also rethinking my townread on Toad...problem is that's actually not a point in your favor, despite the fact you've been scumreading him but regardless...i'm not going to be completely forthcoming with all my thoughts right now for strategic reasons ^^ Why is it not? The dude apparently wants to lynch me BEFORE LS, the fucking red check.
not going into it right now rayn :/
lol you keep presenting ideas like scum never busses ever, and that's certainly not true, however i promise i'll go into detail tonight after everything is set. don't think i need to explain why
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On March 24 2015 02:09 Trfel wrote:
Grr, it seems that everyone is confusing me. Maybe I'm still too sleepy.
Rsoultin, what conclusions are you drawing from your voting analysis? You seem to be saying that voting suggests that Palmar and Onegu are town. Anything else?
laaaater ^^
(as i said it's points in Palmar's favor, but i think it all but confirms Onegu unless he's just making especially stupid scum plays lolol)
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On March 24 2015 02:11 Eden1892 wrote:
Excuse me ray I need my q answered. Why did you hard claim to one of your biggest scumreads?
I didn't claim "to one of my biggest scumreads".
wtf?
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On March 24 2015 02:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2015 01:55 rsoultin wrote:On March 24 2015 01:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 24 2015 01:44 Vivax wrote:
Anyway I'll make it known I'd lynch Palmar, if anything cause he bored the hell out of me when he showed up. I promise it's not cause he works in a bank. I don't think Palmar is mafia with Toad and Toad is mafia so Palmar is probably town. Seriously, Toad is so scummy. yeah i've come to the conclusion based on voting alone really lol that both Palmar and Onegu are not scum in this game which is nice i love clearing questionmarks ^^ I think clearing people for votes is too easy. Now that you pointed it out, Onegu did vote LS at a crucial time, but Palmar switching to BM does not feel that significant as both BM and Vivax are likely town. Also, Onegu keeping his vote on LS all day rather than choosing a side kind of counts against him, but N2 should create some clarity here. Rayn, Toad is not scum. I am 99% sure.
Already said this?
But here's the deal, Artanis. Two vigilantes on the loose super scary! Can only roleblock one! Better for scum if one goes down with the lynch.
Only one real vigilante...who cares lol
so for your analysis to hold water on Palmar...you have to consider one of the vigilantes to be possibly fake...and that can only be Toad
BALLING
see vivax i can do logic 
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On March 24 2015 02:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
If Toad is scum he CCed a town vig to almost guarantee a 1 for 1 trade by D2. He also felt really genuine spamming his case, really believed in it and I had a productive session with him solving the game during N1. Hks reads also completely matched mine. No way is he scum.
I don't care when he claimed. He has done things that are scummy.
- He scumread me when he could not have scumread me (claimed so in his next post).
- He wants to lynch me before the red checked guy.
Toad would NEVER do that as town. NEVER.
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Like you don't fucking make a wall-of-text where you scumread people when you are 25 pages behind and pretty much all of my posts were on those pages.
You just can't do that as town. It is simple.
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On March 24 2015 02:15 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2015 02:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 24 2015 01:55 rsoultin wrote:On March 24 2015 01:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 24 2015 01:44 Vivax wrote:
Anyway I'll make it known I'd lynch Palmar, if anything cause he bored the hell out of me when he showed up. I promise it's not cause he works in a bank. I don't think Palmar is mafia with Toad and Toad is mafia so Palmar is probably town. Seriously, Toad is so scummy. yeah i've come to the conclusion based on voting alone really lol that both Palmar and Onegu are not scum in this game which is nice i love clearing questionmarks ^^ I think clearing people for votes is too easy. Now that you pointed it out, Onegu did vote LS at a crucial time, but Palmar switching to BM does not feel that significant as both BM and Vivax are likely town. Also, Onegu keeping his vote on LS all day rather than choosing a side kind of counts against him, but N2 should create some clarity here. Rayn, Toad is not scum. I am 99% sure. Already said this? But here's the deal, Artanis. Two vigilantes on the loose super scary! Can only roleblock one! Better for scum if one goes down with the lynch. Only one real vigilante...who cares lol so for your analysis to hold water on Palmar...you have to consider one of the vigilantes to be possibly fake...and that can only be Toad BALLING see vivax i can do logic
Eliminate the impossible and what remains, however unlikely, is true.
I find it impossible that Toad is mafia this game. I don't know if Palmar is, but him switching from town to town even if one is a town vig is certainly possible.
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On March 24 2015 02:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like you don't fucking make a wall-of-text where you scumread people when you are 25 pages behind and pretty much all of my posts were on those pages.
You just can't do that as town. It is simple.
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umm
i think you can do that as town? it's just another example of bad play that doesn't necessarily make someone scummy
i mean palmar like...regularly never reads as town xP fecalfeast <- same thing
course they usually don't do the wall-of-text thing, but again, this doesn't confirm someone scum
secrets and awesomeness for EoN incoming lol
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On March 24 2015 02:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2015 02:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
If Toad is scum he CCed a town vig to almost guarantee a 1 for 1 trade by D2. He also felt really genuine spamming his case, really believed in it and I had a productive session with him solving the game during N1. Hks reads also completely matched mine. No way is he scum. I don't care when he claimed. He has done things that are scummy. - He scumread me when he could not have scumread me (claimed so in his next post). - He wants to lynch me before the red checked guy. Toad would NEVER do that as town. NEVER.
All of these are possible for Toad to do as town because Toad is town. End of story.
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Not to even mention he has no eagerness to ever revisit the read later on.
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On March 24 2015 02:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2015 02:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 24 2015 02:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
If Toad is scum he CCed a town vig to almost guarantee a 1 for 1 trade by D2. He also felt really genuine spamming his case, really believed in it and I had a productive session with him solving the game during N1. Hks reads also completely matched mine. No way is he scum. I don't care when he claimed. He has done things that are scummy. - He scumread me when he could not have scumread me (claimed so in his next post). - He wants to lynch me before the red checked guy. Toad would NEVER do that as town. NEVER. All of these are possible for Toad to do as town because Toad is town. End of story.
you can die scum.
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On March 24 2015 02:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2015 02:15 rsoultin wrote:On March 24 2015 02:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 24 2015 01:55 rsoultin wrote:On March 24 2015 01:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 24 2015 01:44 Vivax wrote:
Anyway I'll make it known I'd lynch Palmar, if anything cause he bored the hell out of me when he showed up. I promise it's not cause he works in a bank. I don't think Palmar is mafia with Toad and Toad is mafia so Palmar is probably town. Seriously, Toad is so scummy. yeah i've come to the conclusion based on voting alone really lol that both Palmar and Onegu are not scum in this game which is nice i love clearing questionmarks ^^ I think clearing people for votes is too easy. Now that you pointed it out, Onegu did vote LS at a crucial time, but Palmar switching to BM does not feel that significant as both BM and Vivax are likely town. Also, Onegu keeping his vote on LS all day rather than choosing a side kind of counts against him, but N2 should create some clarity here. Rayn, Toad is not scum. I am 99% sure. Already said this? But here's the deal, Artanis. Two vigilantes on the loose super scary! Can only roleblock one! Better for scum if one goes down with the lynch. Only one real vigilante...who cares lol so for your analysis to hold water on Palmar...you have to consider one of the vigilantes to be possibly fake...and that can only be Toad BALLING see vivax i can do logic Eliminate the impossible and what remains, however unlikely, is true. I find it impossible that Toad is mafia this game. I don't know if Palmar is, but him switching from town to town even if one is a town vig is certainly possible.
-amused-
you can't think of any reason, any reason at all, for one scum to take the fall for another at a later time
interesting, i thought they said you were smart
impossible is too strong a word
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