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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 21 2015 18:03 GMT
#3661
i have some info for day 2 though so might need to modify it a bit
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
March 21 2015 18:04 GMT
#3662
Ok hf, I honestly feel like I missed a ton of things, I forgot about the super trying to go back and forth meh.

Any information is good information as long as it doesn't get buried.
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 21 2015 18:09 GMT
#3663
On March 21 2015 05:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2015 05:14 Superbia wrote:
On March 21 2015 05:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
On March 21 2015 05:11 ExO_ wrote:
On March 21 2015 05:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
On March 21 2015 05:06 Superbia wrote:
On March 21 2015 05:04 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 21 2015 05:03 Vivax wrote:
Ok now that enough mafia or idiots are piled up on me I hardclaim Drax.

Drax the vig, the easiest role in the game to fakeclaim as mafia. Who would have though. Really convenient, isn't it?


What? Rofl. This is the dumbest thing ever. Vig is the WORST thing to claim as mafia. Because other vig will just counterclaim and shoot the mafia.

a) we don't know if there's a Drax in the game.
b) it's possible for there to be more than one Drax in the game.
c) a claimed Drax might be useless anyway because Nebula (Roleblocker) making it not even "provable"
d) counterclaim isn't really useful because Korath (mafVig)

I don't like the claim. I feel like Vivax would have claimed it sooner if real.


You think so? The way the setup reads to me it seems like there can only be one

It says exact number isn't known - there could be 4 drax and nothing else for all we know. Likely? Nah. But possible based on the info in the OP.


Ugh. A second drax would kind of fuck this up. I'm not sure how to resolve that situation correctly at this point.

That's what I'm saying - a counterclaim doesn't solve shit because they could BOTH be telling the truth or BOTH be lying for all we know. And the mafia vig if it exists could like, SHOOT Vivax if he's real and CLAIM that he was the real Drax and shot the imposter.

Like, that's part of the reason I don't like the claim - because he instantly thought he should be clear for it.

On March 21 2015 05:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2015 05:44 Superbia wrote:
Am I the only one who currently thinks that the most likely scenario is that they're both town?

I'm coming around...I just don't know about having 2 drax in the game with the Orb being a thing.

On March 21 2015 05:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Meeeehhhhhhhhhhhhh..........

I don't know what to do. I feel like this situation could resolve itself in the night though. Is everyone against that?

On March 21 2015 05:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah okay. I've thought rayn was town most of the day, maybe badly but whatever.

##Unvote
##Vote: Toadesstern


Sry Toad, if you're town you should have just let us lynch whoever and shot Vivax.

This thought progression makes no sense. VE spends most of the time talking about how the counterclaim doesn't solve anything, he comes in later and says he's "coming around" to having 2 vigs, wants the night situation to resolve itself and then literally not two minutes later votes for the cc without directly stating a reason.

VisceraEyes: Why did you believe Toad was mafia here? Why did you think mafia would cc in this situation and why did you flip so quickly from wanting to let the claims resolve themselves in the night to voting for the cc?
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
March 21 2015 18:09 GMT
#3664
On March 22 2015 02:27 Eden1892 wrote:
well I was going to type up a VCA

but then I found this and it's more interesting.

Show nested quote +
On March 21 2015 05:18 ExO_ wrote:
I Highly doubt there'd be 2 vigis in the game. And I think lynching Vivax right now would be idiotic. That claim leaves him very open to a counter claim. There hasn't been one yet.

We shouldn't lynch Vivax right now. I'd really like more discussion on the rayn claim of tracker.

Show nested quote +
On March 21 2015 05:21 ExO_ wrote:
On March 21 2015 05:19 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 21 2015 05:18 Superbia wrote:
I think we have the vigis shoot each other, right? This fucks us up so hard if they're both town, but I don't think we should spend lynches on this.

how about we lynch the fucking confirmed mafia Vivax like we were about to do before any of the claims happened and proceed to make mafia waste either a KP or RB on me during the night?


Jesus Christ, step back from the rhetoric for a second. He's not a confirmed mafia, in the slightest. Reevaluate the case. You're tunneling so hard, and it's not convincing somebody like me that he's mafia. It looks to me more like you're just dead set on lynching him and no information gained in the thread will change your mind.

"I highly doubt there'd be 2 vigs this game and I think lynching Vivax is idiotic because his claim leaves him open to a cc and there hasn't been one"
<CC>
"He's not confirmed mafia for you cc'ing him, step back and stop tunneling"

If ExO_ believes there aren't 2 vigs this game then why is he lecturing one vig claimant about the claimant's certainty in wanting to lynch his counterclaim??


Read my filter. At that point I didn't realize he had CCed
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 21 2015 18:11 GMT
#3665
On March 22 2015 03:09 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2015 02:27 Eden1892 wrote:
well I was going to type up a VCA

but then I found this and it's more interesting.

On March 21 2015 05:18 ExO_ wrote:
I Highly doubt there'd be 2 vigis in the game. And I think lynching Vivax right now would be idiotic. That claim leaves him very open to a counter claim. There hasn't been one yet.

We shouldn't lynch Vivax right now. I'd really like more discussion on the rayn claim of tracker.

On March 21 2015 05:21 ExO_ wrote:
On March 21 2015 05:19 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 21 2015 05:18 Superbia wrote:
I think we have the vigis shoot each other, right? This fucks us up so hard if they're both town, but I don't think we should spend lynches on this.

how about we lynch the fucking confirmed mafia Vivax like we were about to do before any of the claims happened and proceed to make mafia waste either a KP or RB on me during the night?


Jesus Christ, step back from the rhetoric for a second. He's not a confirmed mafia, in the slightest. Reevaluate the case. You're tunneling so hard, and it's not convincing somebody like me that he's mafia. It looks to me more like you're just dead set on lynching him and no information gained in the thread will change your mind.

"I highly doubt there'd be 2 vigs this game and I think lynching Vivax is idiotic because his claim leaves him open to a cc and there hasn't been one"
<CC>
"He's not confirmed mafia for you cc'ing him, step back and stop tunneling"

If ExO_ believes there aren't 2 vigs this game then why is he lecturing one vig claimant about the claimant's certainty in wanting to lynch his counterclaim??


Read my filter. At that point I didn't realize he had CCed

"""my b" - Chillen" - Eden" - Eden
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
March 21 2015 18:13 GMT
#3666
On March 21 2015 05:24 ExO_ wrote:
Wait who is the other claimed vig, I missed it


literally 2 posts after what you quoted me. So thats why I was lecturing toad. I didnt realize he had CCed and thought vivax was an un counterclaimed vigi
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 21 2015 18:14 GMT
#3667
Damdred I was townreading Artanis so when he voted Vivax and the counterclaim by Toad I really thought Vivax was Mafia and I wasn't around at EoD because I was picking up my Dad from the Airport and having Dinner with him but if I was there I still wouldn't move my vote to BM because I was townreading BM if you had checked my filter -_- Also I should of told you guys this but I just been really demotivated because my Grandpa who I only met when I was a toddler is dieing and he might die within a few days and was stressed out about him dieing and not knowing him real well but since I signed up I feel like I still have to play it out even if I don't want to. I will try to be better but can't guaranteed anything on that. I going to get my haircut now and go to a BBQ with my parents and wont be back till after EoN so if I'm alive I will check everything and see what I can come up with myself!
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
March 21 2015 18:15 GMT
#3668
LS you stil didn't answer why you were paranoid of mbut instanty sheeped me
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 21 2015 18:17 GMT
#3669



sorry to hear that ls
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
March 21 2015 18:18 GMT
#3670
I am sorry as well
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
March 21 2015 18:27 GMT
#3671
Damdred:

When I first began pressuring Eden I wasn't 100% sure on it. But his reaction to me seemed very panicky, and thus made me think he was scum. I'm not sure what part you didn't think I followed up on, but from what I remember he never brought up any counter points or things for me to answer when I was questioning him. He just got raged a bit.

After he "reset" he seemed a bit better to me so I've backed off. I'm still not sure about him.

But I think after the results of day 1 there are significantly better people to be looking at, which I've mentioned. You're damn right I was angry after day 1, because I highly highly disagree with what happened. A bunch of people jumped on a borderline mod-kill lynch instead of resolving 2 people CC. I heavily do not believe both are vigs. I just don't think its possible. Therefore it would've been better to figure out who's lying in my mind. An opinion I stand by.

And don't say I'm incapable of scum hunting before day 2 even starts. I already know exactly where I should focus. But it would be better for me to see the results of the night. After all what if both Vivax and Toad die? Or if one dies and pops vig (though I suspect this will only happen to Toad, as I do believe Vivax is scum).

And on a side note. I know everyone here has played a lot and agrees long filter = town. But is that always true? Is it really that hard for a mafia to post a lot, especially like in Vivax's case for instance when he was on the chopping block?
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 21 2015 18:31 GMT
#3672
On March 22 2015 03:27 ExO_ wrote:
Damdred:

When I first began pressuring Eden I wasn't 100% sure on it. But his reaction to me seemed very panicky, and thus made me think he was scum. I'm not sure what part you didn't think I followed up on, but from what I remember he never brought up any counter points or things for me to answer when I was questioning him. He just got raged a bit.

After he "reset" he seemed a bit better to me so I've backed off. I'm still not sure about him.

But I think after the results of day 1 there are significantly better people to be looking at, which I've mentioned. You're damn right I was angry after day 1, because I highly highly disagree with what happened. A bunch of people jumped on a borderline mod-kill lynch instead of resolving 2 people CC. I heavily do not believe both are vigs. I just don't think its possible. Therefore it would've been better to figure out who's lying in my mind. An opinion I stand by.

And don't say I'm incapable of scum hunting before day 2 even starts. I already know exactly where I should focus. But it would be better for me to see the results of the night. After all what if both Vivax and Toad die? Or if one dies and pops vig (though I suspect this will only happen to Toad, as I do believe Vivax is scum).

And on a side note. I know everyone here has played a lot and agrees long filter = town. But is that always true? Is it really that hard for a mafia to post a lot, especially like in Vivax's case for instance when he was on the chopping block?

But then if you aren't sure of me why do you still have yet to followup on any of the subjects you were pressing me about in the first place???
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 21 2015 18:32 GMT
#3673
it's on an individual basis but generally people post less as mafia compared to their town games
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
March 21 2015 18:34 GMT
#3674
On March 22 2015 03:31 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2015 03:27 ExO_ wrote:
Damdred:

When I first began pressuring Eden I wasn't 100% sure on it. But his reaction to me seemed very panicky, and thus made me think he was scum. I'm not sure what part you didn't think I followed up on, but from what I remember he never brought up any counter points or things for me to answer when I was questioning him. He just got raged a bit.

After he "reset" he seemed a bit better to me so I've backed off. I'm still not sure about him.

But I think after the results of day 1 there are significantly better people to be looking at, which I've mentioned. You're damn right I was angry after day 1, because I highly highly disagree with what happened. A bunch of people jumped on a borderline mod-kill lynch instead of resolving 2 people CC. I heavily do not believe both are vigs. I just don't think its possible. Therefore it would've been better to figure out who's lying in my mind. An opinion I stand by.

And don't say I'm incapable of scum hunting before day 2 even starts. I already know exactly where I should focus. But it would be better for me to see the results of the night. After all what if both Vivax and Toad die? Or if one dies and pops vig (though I suspect this will only happen to Toad, as I do believe Vivax is scum).

And on a side note. I know everyone here has played a lot and agrees long filter = town. But is that always true? Is it really that hard for a mafia to post a lot, especially like in Vivax's case for instance when he was on the chopping block?

But then if you aren't sure of me why do you still have yet to followup on any of the subjects you were pressing me about in the first place???


You're like 6th down the line for me. I'm more interested in Palmar, rsoultin, HolyFlare, Vivax, and rayn. I think they are all more likely scum than you are. You haven't seemed nearly as bad since you're little tantrum, then reset as well.
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 21 2015 18:34 GMT
#3675
On March 22 2015 03:14 LightningStrike wrote:
Damdred I was townreading Artanis so when he voted Vivax and the counterclaim by Toad I really thought Vivax was Mafia and I wasn't around at EoD because I was picking up my Dad from the Airport and having Dinner with him but if I was there I still wouldn't move my vote to BM because I was townreading BM if you had checked my filter -_- Also I should of told you guys this but I just been really demotivated because my Grandpa who I only met when I was a toddler is dieing and he might die within a few days and was stressed out about him dieing and not knowing him real well but since I signed up I feel like I still have to play it out even if I don't want to. I will try to be better but can't guaranteed anything on that. I going to get my haircut now and go to a BBQ with my parents and wont be back till after EoN so if I'm alive I will check everything and see what I can come up with myself!



I know how that goes. Don't worry overmuch about this game, family first. Message me if you need any help amigo.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 21 2015 18:36 GMT
#3676
On March 22 2015 03:34 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2015 03:31 Eden1892 wrote:
On March 22 2015 03:27 ExO_ wrote:
Damdred:

When I first began pressuring Eden I wasn't 100% sure on it. But his reaction to me seemed very panicky, and thus made me think he was scum. I'm not sure what part you didn't think I followed up on, but from what I remember he never brought up any counter points or things for me to answer when I was questioning him. He just got raged a bit.

After he "reset" he seemed a bit better to me so I've backed off. I'm still not sure about him.

But I think after the results of day 1 there are significantly better people to be looking at, which I've mentioned. You're damn right I was angry after day 1, because I highly highly disagree with what happened. A bunch of people jumped on a borderline mod-kill lynch instead of resolving 2 people CC. I heavily do not believe both are vigs. I just don't think its possible. Therefore it would've been better to figure out who's lying in my mind. An opinion I stand by.

And don't say I'm incapable of scum hunting before day 2 even starts. I already know exactly where I should focus. But it would be better for me to see the results of the night. After all what if both Vivax and Toad die? Or if one dies and pops vig (though I suspect this will only happen to Toad, as I do believe Vivax is scum).

And on a side note. I know everyone here has played a lot and agrees long filter = town. But is that always true? Is it really that hard for a mafia to post a lot, especially like in Vivax's case for instance when he was on the chopping block?

But then if you aren't sure of me why do you still have yet to followup on any of the subjects you were pressing me about in the first place???


You're like 6th down the line for me. I'm more interested in Palmar, rsoultin, HolyFlare, Vivax, and rayn. I think they are all more likely scum than you are. You haven't seemed nearly as bad since you're little tantrum, then reset as well.

well since i'm town you're not wrong

but let's start with some of these others cuz I don't agree. except not with rsoultin, you don't need to worry about her yet - if you decide i'm town you can 100% sheep me on her being town.

why HF as mafia?
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 21 2015 18:37 GMT
#3677
:/

okay so rack and stack pre-reread time

confirmed town
BM
holyflare/onegu

super!town (but not confirmed)
toad - cc+filter, eat your heart out palmar
damdy! - dude has been in my brain most of the game o.0
fecalfeast
eden

town leans
vivax
breshke
trfel
artanis - pending filter review

Null
lightningstrike - pending filter review
sicklucker - pending filter review
palmar
rayn - best you're gonna get bro

scum leans
ExO_
Superbia - pending filter review
VE - made so little impression + natural townie response to claim CC is so not the guy who CCd him is scum

lynch with fire!
Slam the Man

this may and probably will change after the rereads, and i know how many i lumped into null lol...most of those have made little impression on me or i think my reads may be wrong on

any questions as to where my head is at, i'll be around
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
March 21 2015 18:44 GMT
#3678
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
March 21 2015 18:44 GMT
#3679
On March 22 2015 03:36 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2015 03:34 ExO_ wrote:
On March 22 2015 03:31 Eden1892 wrote:
On March 22 2015 03:27 ExO_ wrote:
Damdred:

When I first began pressuring Eden I wasn't 100% sure on it. But his reaction to me seemed very panicky, and thus made me think he was scum. I'm not sure what part you didn't think I followed up on, but from what I remember he never brought up any counter points or things for me to answer when I was questioning him. He just got raged a bit.

After he "reset" he seemed a bit better to me so I've backed off. I'm still not sure about him.

But I think after the results of day 1 there are significantly better people to be looking at, which I've mentioned. You're damn right I was angry after day 1, because I highly highly disagree with what happened. A bunch of people jumped on a borderline mod-kill lynch instead of resolving 2 people CC. I heavily do not believe both are vigs. I just don't think its possible. Therefore it would've been better to figure out who's lying in my mind. An opinion I stand by.

And don't say I'm incapable of scum hunting before day 2 even starts. I already know exactly where I should focus. But it would be better for me to see the results of the night. After all what if both Vivax and Toad die? Or if one dies and pops vig (though I suspect this will only happen to Toad, as I do believe Vivax is scum).

And on a side note. I know everyone here has played a lot and agrees long filter = town. But is that always true? Is it really that hard for a mafia to post a lot, especially like in Vivax's case for instance when he was on the chopping block?

But then if you aren't sure of me why do you still have yet to followup on any of the subjects you were pressing me about in the first place???


You're like 6th down the line for me. I'm more interested in Palmar, rsoultin, HolyFlare, Vivax, and rayn. I think they are all more likely scum than you are. You haven't seemed nearly as bad since you're little tantrum, then reset as well.

well since i'm town you're not wrong

but let's start with some of these others cuz I don't agree. except not with rsoultin, you don't need to worry about her yet - if you decide i'm town you can 100% sheep me on her being town.

why HF as mafia?


Because he started the BM train. We were going to resolve the 2 vigi nonsense day 1, and then he came in and derailed it onto BM. rsoultin I feel like should've known better than to switch, so I find it odd that she did. I don't agree with the reasoning she gave me for switching. Palmar for that last second "yolo" vote. like wtf. And rayn is on the train too, but I was highly suspicious of that tracker claim he threw out there.

Of all these people HF is probably the weakest scum read the more I think about it. But he did start the useless ass train onto BM. So I have to at consider him.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
March 21 2015 18:44 GMT
#3680
what made you put LS up for filter review, rasputin? You've been very sure ls is town all game
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
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