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On March 19 2015 04:37 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 04:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Eden:
- why do you give reasons for ritoky to be mafia with JAT then read him town?
- why did you want to lynch ritoky on D1 with your scumread JAT?
- why do you instantly vote for Palmar for his claim on D2?
- On D2 you HC scumread Damdred and Onegu, then you go to Palmar + marv being mafia. Why?
- also what marv asked you In order: - I don't feel like I did this. I concluded based on the first part (which you had in green) that JAT busing wasn't out of the question. But I raised a counterargument, which I felt was more convincing, that ritoky would have bused JAT back. Regardless of whether or not the mafia team sacs ritoky to save JAT or the reverse, either way you would expect mutual busing to maximize the probability that people believe it was a bus. That this didn't happen invalidated it to me as a bus.
- Because I thought both of them were pretty good shots to flip mafia at the time, I figured either lynch was fine. I decided that between the two, ritoky as town wasn't likely to do anything else to make himself seem town later on, whereas JAT probably would. So in the event that I'm wrong about either one, it's better to mislynch the one who is less likely to prove himself town later than to mislynch the one who will.
- It was a joke, as I've explained before. You'll notice that I didn't seriously pursue Palmar as a lynch at the time. I came back to him being mafia later but for different reasons.
- I don't remember hardcore scumreading Onegu
 so I don't know what to say about that without rereading my filter to find it. If you can tell me where you found it and save me the time of digging through all my shitty posts to find it, I'd appreciate it. I think I've explained why I went off of Damdred already - his changing-style thing rang true and then he softed a PR. Sorry if that's not satisfying enough but that's what it is and I don't have anything else to say about it. I moved through a lot of people to get to Palmar and marv being mafia, it was primarily POE plus not feeling like they were obvious town at the time. I moved around a lot on d2 and I don't really remember all of it either.
- I answered marv on ritoky already, if you need more detail then feel free to ask.
(1) well you did. you should probably read your own post about it again if you feel like you didn't and explain it.
(2) ehhh... i don't think this is a good reason. like you are basically saying you didn't care to lynch the person who is most likely to be mafia on D1..
(3) Yeah ofc you don't. I don't care about it. I care about the fact your initial response seemed like you knew Palmar is lying which you cannot know unless you know Palmar is lying which again, you cannot know unless you are mafia and killed rsoultin. Like i don't see why a townie makes this joke.
(4) you did:
On March 13 2015 13:39 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2015 13:34 Onegu wrote:
Ok I have skimmed everything. The way Eden reacted to Palmars claim was really weird. Then the way he reacted to LS making his blue claim was really weird. I also don't really see Damdred as scum here. His case on Damdred isn't very strong its basicly Damdred isnt solving the game.
Eden is shoveling shit on everyone. He has in just day two gone with as mafia:
Palmar
Rayn
Me
Ritoky
Damdred
LS
That's over half the player list. He isn't trying to figure the game out just yelling whenever something comes up. I know he changes his reads often, but this game he doesn't change his reads he just drops them to pick them up later, there is a big difference.
##Vote: Eden1892
This guy is very likely mafia too fwiw. I am very clearly trying to figure the game out and I'm being incredibly detailed by my own standards in laying out my arguments. What was weird about my reaction to either claim? Be specific. Why don't you see Damdred as mafia? What's weak about my case on Damdred? Do you disagree that Damdred isn't trying to solve the game, and if so, why do you disagree? If you agree, why do you think that isn't alignment-indicative? Again, specifics. What reads did I drop to pick up later, and what is suspicious about doing so?
On March 13 2015 13:39 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2015 13:34 Onegu wrote:
Ok I have skimmed everything. The way Eden reacted to Palmars claim was really weird. Then the way he reacted to LS making his blue claim was really weird. I also don't really see Damdred as scum here. His case on Damdred isn't very strong its basicly Damdred isnt solving the game.
Eden is shoveling shit on everyone. He has in just day two gone with as mafia:
Palmar
Rayn
Me
Ritoky
Damdred
LS
That's over half the player list. He isn't trying to figure the game out just yelling whenever something comes up. I know he changes his reads often, but this game he doesn't change his reads he just drops them to pick them up later, there is a big difference.
##Vote: Eden1892
Show nested quote +On March 13 2015 13:37 Onegu wrote:On March 13 2015 13:33 ritoky wrote:
basically i think the following:
i am confirmed VT, onegu is like 90% VT, LS is uncc'd PR, rayn claimed PR
there's your town.
koochi is probably town unless he lives too long, then he did the strat he did with slam that i mentioned earlier. someone should remember that post if i am not around.
so the lynches should be between eden, damdred, marv, prp, and palmar
there's 2 mafia in that group.
i am reading damdred town for now...dunno he faded over the night phase for me, but not enough to be called scum.
last time i saw palmar troll like this he was town, imagine he can do it as either alignment, so meh; w/e pass for today.
lynch for today eden, marv, or prp.
voila solved the day phase. This is really close to my reads, I'd put Koshi higher and I am fairly sure marv is town. I could see Damdred being scum but meh. Boy bye
On March 13 2015 13:42 Eden1892 wrote:
##UNVOTE
##VOTE: Onegu
Slipping in 2 consecutive posts is pretty impressive
On March 13 2015 13:43 Eden1892 wrote:New page new post Show nested quote +On March 13 2015 13:34 Onegu wrote:
Ok I have skimmed everything. The way Eden reacted to Palmars claim was really weird. Then the way he reacted to LS making his blue claim was really weird. I also don't really see Damdred as scum here. His case on Damdred isn't very strong its basicly Damdred isnt solving the game. Show nested quote +On March 13 2015 13:37 Onegu wrote:
This is really close to my reads, I'd put Koshi higher and I am fairly sure marv is town. I could see Damdred being scum but meh.
On March 13 2015 13:48 Eden1892 wrote:
...how is it not? You literally were scumreading me because you thought my case on Damdred was bad and Damdred wasn't mafia. Said literally "I can't see Damdred as mafia." Then the NEXT DAMN POST you say "I could see Damdred as mafia." How do you even do that as town?
after this you go to:
On March 13 2015 13:58 Eden1892 wrote:
##UNVOTE
##VOTE: Damdred
I don't even care about Onegu anymore whatever. This game is ass.
and after this you go to something else....
(5) ok
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did you ever read my/marv exchange about that very post about ritoky?
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On March 19 2015 05:08 Eden1892 wrote:
Also where's Koshi? Dude's been gone since the flip...
well he is not mafia anyways so why do you care?
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On March 18 2015 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2015 23:07 marvellosity wrote:
Surely the last two sentences explain why he is invalidating the rest of his theory? No? "The catch here is that JAT is the better scumsided player compared to ritoky pretty easily, and I'd think that in most cases a given scumteam would rather sac ritoky to save JAT than the reverse.""if the mafia team had decided to bus (which, if they're both mafia, JAT pushing ritoky hard = bus), why didn't ritoky push to get JAT lynched?"
On March 18 2015 23:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2015 23:11 marvellosity wrote:
he's saying that the inconsistency that he thought made ritoky town was the fact that ritoky didn't bus jat back I am not sure i understand properly. Isn't he saying JAT is a better scumplayer than ritoky, therefore it makes sense ritoky being bussed in this instance. Then he wonders why ritoky didn't bus back? Like the first sentence is the explanation why ritoky did not bus back, because it is one more vote on JAT who is the other wagon. If mafia wanted to bus ritoky to death in order to save JAT why would ritoky vote for JAT?
On March 18 2015 23:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i know Eden ended up in the right conclusion -> "ritoky is town".
But the thought process he had should imo end up in the opposite conclusion as:
- He gaves all the reasons why ritoky would NOT vote for JAT if he is mafia
- ritoky not voting for JAT makes him town?!?!?
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On March 19 2015 05:18 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 05:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 18 2015 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 18 2015 23:07 marvellosity wrote:
Surely the last two sentences explain why he is invalidating the rest of his theory? No? "The catch here is that JAT is the better scumsided player compared to ritoky pretty easily, and I'd think that in most cases a given scumteam would rather sac ritoky to save JAT than the reverse.""if the mafia team had decided to bus (which, if they're both mafia, JAT pushing ritoky hard = bus), why didn't ritoky push to get JAT lynched?" On March 18 2015 23:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 18 2015 23:11 marvellosity wrote:
he's saying that the inconsistency that he thought made ritoky town was the fact that ritoky didn't bus jat back I am not sure i understand properly. Isn't he saying JAT is a better scumplayer than ritoky, therefore it makes sense ritoky being bussed in this instance. Then he wonders why ritoky didn't bus back? Like the first sentence is the explanation why ritoky did not bus back, because it is one more vote on JAT who is the other wagon. If mafia wanted to bus ritoky to death in order to save JAT why would ritoky vote for JAT? On March 18 2015 23:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i know Eden ended up in the right conclusion -> "ritoky is town".
But the thought process he had should imo end up in the opposite conclusion as:
- He gaves all the reasons why ritoky would NOT vote for JAT if he is mafia
- ritoky not voting for JAT makes him town?!?!? I said this in my first response. I think ritoky would vote for JAT if he were mafia because I think it would be a more plausible bus if it were a two-sided bus instead of one-sided. It makes the distancing greater should one of them flip scum. You might not agree, but that's where I was coming from on that.
I understand that.
What i don't understand is that you directly contradict this in the post you made.
Not verbally but silently. Like everything behind the words says otherwise while you don't clearly say so.
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There is only one response i am talking about Eden.
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On March 19 2015 05:30 Eden1892 wrote:By the way: Onegu's reputation as a hardcore busser is greatly exaggerated.There are 2 mafia games for Onegu in the database since the start of 2014. They are Neat and Tidy Mini Mafia and Hammertime Mafia. (Links are to his filters.) He had two partners - Mages and batsnacks - in Neat&Tidy, one partner (Robik) in Hammertime. The hardcore busing of batsnacks is well-documented here. What's not is that Onegu sorta-townread his other teammate that game and hardcore townread Robik in the other one. People are citing one example out of three as evidence that Onegu is a hardcore busser. It just isn't backed up by the recent data. The only reasonable conclusion to be made from Onegu's recent mafia games is that it is inconclusive as to whether or not Onegu buses frequently.
I am not sure who are these people who are using the things you claim here against anyone or however they have anything to do with anything?
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On March 19 2015 05:31 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 19 2015 05:18 Eden1892 wrote:On March 19 2015 05:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 18 2015 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 18 2015 23:07 marvellosity wrote:
Surely the last two sentences explain why he is invalidating the rest of his theory? No? "The catch here is that JAT is the better scumsided player compared to ritoky pretty easily, and I'd think that in most cases a given scumteam would rather sac ritoky to save JAT than the reverse.""if the mafia team had decided to bus (which, if they're both mafia, JAT pushing ritoky hard = bus), why didn't ritoky push to get JAT lynched?" On March 18 2015 23:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 18 2015 23:11 marvellosity wrote:
he's saying that the inconsistency that he thought made ritoky town was the fact that ritoky didn't bus jat back I am not sure i understand properly. Isn't he saying JAT is a better scumplayer than ritoky, therefore it makes sense ritoky being bussed in this instance. Then he wonders why ritoky didn't bus back? Like the first sentence is the explanation why ritoky did not bus back, because it is one more vote on JAT who is the other wagon. If mafia wanted to bus ritoky to death in order to save JAT why would ritoky vote for JAT? On March 18 2015 23:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i know Eden ended up in the right conclusion -> "ritoky is town".
But the thought process he had should imo end up in the opposite conclusion as:
- He gaves all the reasons why ritoky would NOT vote for JAT if he is mafia
- ritoky not voting for JAT makes him town?!?!? I said this in my first response. I think ritoky would vote for JAT if he were mafia because I think it would be a more plausible bus if it were a two-sided bus instead of one-sided. It makes the distancing greater should one of them flip scum. You might not agree, but that's where I was coming from on that. I understand that. What i don't understand is that you directly contradict this in the post you made. Not verbally but silently. Like everything behind the words says otherwise while you don't clearly say so. Er, tell me if I have this right, because I'm not sure I follow. Are you saying that the way I structured that read seems to indicate that I think (or should think) ritoky is mafia?
yes.
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*spanks marv*
get here you bitch
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On March 19 2015 05:37 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 19 2015 05:30 Eden1892 wrote:By the way: Onegu's reputation as a hardcore busser is greatly exaggerated.There are 2 mafia games for Onegu in the database since the start of 2014. They are Neat and Tidy Mini Mafia and Hammertime Mafia. (Links are to his filters.) He had two partners - Mages and batsnacks - in Neat&Tidy, one partner (Robik) in Hammertime. The hardcore busing of batsnacks is well-documented here. What's not is that Onegu sorta-townread his other teammate that game and hardcore townread Robik in the other one. People are citing one example out of three as evidence that Onegu is a hardcore busser. It just isn't backed up by the recent data. The only reasonable conclusion to be made from Onegu's recent mafia games is that it is inconclusive as to whether or not Onegu buses frequently. I am not sure who are these people who are using the things you claim here against anyone or however they have anything to do with anything? That's odd since you explicitly commented on Onegu busing bats earlier. You don't remember doing this? It was earlier today... I argued prplhz is strong town because Onegu spent the whole time he cared to play trying to kill him. marv said that was bad because Onegu is a hardcore busser. I went to research Onegu's games to see if this held up. It doesn't (imo). I swear I mentioned I would do this not an hour ago lol
Yes i know i said that. I don't however think that has anything to do with anything, it only shows Onegu CAN bus, as you state. You also stated Onegu tried to "kill prplhz". Now let's assume prplhz is mafia; is Onegu really a person in this game to push that lynch like ever?
The two people in this game alive on D3 i find out to be "unlikely to be pushing anything if mafia" are prplhz and Onegu. Because well... they are unlikely to succeed and more likely to just go with the flow whatever it is.
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On March 19 2015 05:42 Eden1892 wrote:Errrr how did this guy know there was a godfather in the game...??????? This was start of d2
ooooh good question 
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On March 19 2015 05:47 Palmar wrote:
I couldn't be happier if prplhz was mafia.
then we can both call marv really bad based on D1 stuff
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On March 19 2015 05:48 Koshi wrote:
and I can show face again.
awww <3
Koshi.
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okay let's murder prplhz and win the game.
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I hope Koshi would not be this sad.
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Ima be here soon one game of hots then mafia.
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is the deadline in 15 min or 1h 15 min?
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okay i am here until deadline.
i think prplhz is mafia
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EPT
