EPTLike, he goes from "rayn/prplhz scum" to "marv/prplhz scum", shouldn't prplhz be an obvious lynch to him then? And again, he doesn't really comment on anything that is said in thread and doesn't engage into discussions. He just invents his own ideas and pushes them instead of even listening to anything other people have to say about anything. I don't think that is a townie thing to do at all.
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Like, he goes from "rayn/prplhz scum" to "marv/prplhz scum", shouldn't prplhz be an obvious lynch to him then? And again, he doesn't really comment on anything that is said in thread and doesn't engage into discussions. He just invents his own ideas and pushes them instead of even listening to anything other people have to say about anything. I don't think that is a townie thing to do at all. | ||
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On March 18 2015 21:32 marvellosity wrote: prplhz did pursue Onegu reasonably aggressively towards EoD. Especially the one which was like "so it's a townseal? you're relentlessly pushing a townseal?" which kinda implies that it's almost cheating. ok cheating is the wrong word - unsportsmanlike. say it wasn't eden, rayn, who would your other options be? do you have any other options? Palamr. | ||
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On March 18 2015 21:35 marvellosity wrote: ok. let me know if you want my feedback on anything. although your opinion > my opinion this game. If you have any opinions on one of Palmar/prplhz/Eden being town then this game should be easy. I feel like prplhz is town. I really liked when he first said "i think i can't counter your case rayn" but still went on and answered me. Although i am a bit sucker for these kinda things as i totally misread Superbia in the Campus Mafia for the same kind of response after making a perfect case on him and having solved the game.  | ||
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On March 18 2015 21:38 Palmar wrote: Because LS was going to claim roleblocker and having roleblocked me? Yeah well like what does it matter? I mean like first you treat LS in a jokingly manner but suddenly your attitude totally changes for some reason. | ||
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On March 18 2015 21:47 marvellosity wrote: i also don't believe his responses to your case were particularly townie. like - he has to DO something right? or he just gets lynched. taking time to answer case on yourself is the least he can do. he just appears when people are attacking him. Yes i understand this. That's what mostly bothers me as i said. It is the attitude i find townie. Like usually when i make a case like that on scum people are quite likely to just give up as i DO push my cases and am persuasive in a way or another, let it be yelling the things into oblivion or reasonable arguments. Like if prplhz is mafia here his play this game would be "say some smart things then go unnoticed and hope people don't lynch me" and in my opinion trying to actually explain himself, especially AFTER saying he probably even can't, in a tough spot does not fit to that play given how he usually plays as mafia. Am i reading too much into this? | ||
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On March 18 2015 21:55 marvellosity wrote: I would bet a lot of money that Onegu did not name 3 townies here. well of course he didn't, silly..  | ||
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meh.. okay. I think we need those people talk more. Now Eden has to respond to my points i brought up against him earlier, at least prplhz did that. | ||
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- I liked his vote on Eden at the start of D2, because i think that is one of the reasons Eden is mafia (the extra information thing). However he doesn't pursue it. Why? Like he clearly thinks that was the case, why does he drop it? - I also liked when he tried to make you work with him on D3. I found that out to come as natural and reasonable. But again, when people actually start doing shit (mainly when prplhz comes back to the thread) he goes back to just saying "marv is scum" or whatever dumb stuff that doesn't really help. | ||
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On March 18 2015 22:42 marvellosity wrote: So I remember saying before that I didn't look like how Eden treated jat day 1 looked very bussy. If Eden is mafia, then it was bussy. What do you think of that? Or is the argument that Eden likes to bus but did it early, and tried to lynch ritoky with jat? Eden is a busser. He basically did nothing but bussed SL in the PM game awhile ago. I don't know what you mean with the last sentence? | ||
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On March 18 2015 22:45 marvellosity wrote: The last sentence is just the narrative - Eden buses jat early, then tries to lynch ritoky late in the day when jat did. Yes it makes sense to me. Correct me if i am wrong but when JAT became the leading wagon and started playing and shouting things there were people who were considering ritoky as a possible lynch. My interpretation is that mafia realized there is a chance ritoky can be lynched instead of JAT. Onegu most likely can't do shit about it. So it has to be JAT and Eden who push the lynch because JAT can't do that alone at least if Eden is on JAT wagon. The situation is different from the PM game where Eden and SL were pretty much the only viable wagons on D1, there is nothing to do there but bus (and Eden in that game started bussing when i had made a big fucking case on SL and Koshi on Eden -- like it's really easy to deduce there is nothing you can do to avoid mafia being lynched). Like i know this is irrelevant to Eden's alignment if i have incorrectly read the situation on D1 but i do remember going even harder on JAT because i feared there is a chance people pile up on ritoky instead. Maybe i need to recheck that too. | ||
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ritoky is probably town on further reflection. There seemed to be a brief window where the lynch was in question, with ray, ritoky and JAT as the three wagons. JAT was very animated about getting people who weren't committed against him or ray to vote for ritoky over him. I think it was Koshi who called it the "time when JAT had hope" of not being lynched, and he spent an awful lot of it trying to get ritoky lynched. The catch here is that JAT is the better scumsided player compared to ritoky pretty easily, and I'd think that in most cases a given scumteam would rather sac ritoky to save JAT than the reverse. (No offense ritoky, it's not that you're bad, it's that JAT has arguably the best scumside game of anyone currently active on TL Mafia.) So JAT busing isn't out of the question. And it's not like ritoky has played a scintillating obvtown game either. But the reason this is more likely town is simple - if the mafia team had decided to bus (which, if they're both mafia, JAT pushing ritoky hard = bus), why didn't ritoky push to get JAT lynched? It's too glaring an inconsistency to ignore, so I think ritoky is probably town. As i said, this looks like Eden is giving all the reasons for ritoky be mafia, then ends up in conclusion that "ritoky is town". | ||
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On March 18 2015 23:03 marvellosity wrote: had this post typed up about what Onegu was doing and I deleted it. Really hard to make something out of a bus happy filter from a bus happy player. Did he just bus everyone? Was his last minute voting on Eden an opportunistic play to save the mafia (prplhz) that he'd been bussing all day? Or was he just going for the sweet, sweet endgame play? I really can't tell I don't really bank on these kinda things tbh. Just because i think it's really BS, as you can't actually know what mafia thinks at certain point of the game, to use something some scum said against another player as there is no way for them to defend against it. | ||
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