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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 18 2015 12:24 GMT
#5271
I still believe Eden is mafia. I especially dislike his play last phase where he just dismissed everything said about him and wanted to lynch purplehaze and/or marv and earlier on me. Like i understand some people are "all over the place" but this is over the top. Apparently none of my responses to Eden yesterday convinced him i am town, but still he goes from voting me to voting prplhz. Okay this is understandable but suddenly he creates a theory where marv is mafia with prplhz and votes for marv instead.

Like, he goes from "rayn/prplhz scum" to "marv/prplhz scum", shouldn't prplhz be an obvious lynch to him then? And again, he doesn't really comment on anything that is said in thread and doesn't engage into discussions. He just invents his own ideas and pushes them instead of even listening to anything other people have to say about anything. I don't think that is a townie thing to do at all.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 18 2015 12:27 GMT
#5272
I mean, other people at least seem to be trying to figure out what is right and what is wrong, Eden is just saying what is right or wrong and never trying to figure out anything.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 18 2015 12:32 GMT
#5274
I guess i have to read Palmar aswell.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 18 2015 12:32 GMT
#5275
On March 18 2015 21:32 marvellosity wrote:
prplhz did pursue Onegu reasonably aggressively towards EoD.

Especially the one which was like "so it's a townseal? you're relentlessly pushing a townseal?" which kinda implies that it's almost cheating. ok cheating is the wrong word - unsportsmanlike.

say it wasn't eden, rayn, who would your other options be? do you have any other options?

Palamr.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 18 2015 12:34 GMT
#5277
Yes i will be here. I have to go to the doctor again tomorrow so no work.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 18 2015 12:36 GMT
#5279
Palmar can you explain why you retracted from your vigi claim when you did?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 18 2015 12:41 GMT
#5281
On March 18 2015 21:35 marvellosity wrote:
ok. let me know if you want my feedback on anything. although your opinion > my opinion this game.

If you have any opinions on one of Palmar/prplhz/Eden being town then this game should be easy.
I feel like prplhz is town. I really liked when he first said "i think i can't counter your case rayn" but still went on and answered me. Although i am a bit sucker for these kinda things as i totally misread Superbia in the Campus Mafia for the same kind of response after making a perfect case on him and having solved the game.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 18 2015 12:46 GMT
#5282
On March 18 2015 21:38 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2015 21:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar can you explain why you retracted from your vigi claim when you did?

Because LS was going to claim roleblocker and having roleblocked me?

Yeah well like what does it matter?
I mean like first you treat LS in a jokingly manner but suddenly your attitude totally changes for some reason.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 18 2015 12:55 GMT
#5285
On March 18 2015 21:47 marvellosity wrote:
i also don't believe his responses to your case were particularly townie. like - he has to DO something right? or he just gets lynched. taking time to answer case on yourself is the least he can do. he just appears when people are attacking him.

Yes i understand this. That's what mostly bothers me as i said.
It is the attitude i find townie. Like usually when i make a case like that on scum people are quite likely to just give up as i DO push my cases and am persuasive in a way or another, let it be yelling the things into oblivion or reasonable arguments. Like if prplhz is mafia here his play this game would be "say some smart things then go unnoticed and hope people don't lynch me" and in my opinion trying to actually explain himself, especially AFTER saying he probably even can't, in a tough spot does not fit to that play given how he usually plays as mafia.

Am i reading too much into this?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 18 2015 12:56 GMT
#5286
On March 18 2015 21:55 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2015 16:16 Onegu wrote:
On March 17 2015 13:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
the classic 17-hour-early-not-even-in-the-lead-in-votes martyr post.




Meh, like if you think prplhz is going to keep his vote on himself then sure I'm not in the lead. Rayn is doing his once a game tunnel a townie into being lynched, marv is sheeping him so he can lol at him.

Anyway lynch into prplhz, Eden, palmar. There is at least one if not 2 scum in that group.

I would bet a lot of money that Onegu did not name 3 townies here.

well of course he didn't, silly..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 18 2015 13:01 GMT
#5288
I just don't think prplhz would care too much if he was scum.
meh.. okay. I think we need those people talk more.

Now Eden has to respond to my points i brought up against him earlier, at least prplhz did that.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 18 2015 13:07 GMT
#5291
I don't know how much does that count as. I know Palmar's philosophy is "it matters where your vote ends up on in the end". I think it would be quite easy to soft-bus like that at the start of the phase, no?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 18 2015 13:08 GMT
#5293
Like Palmar in this game lack consistency. I can't figure out what his train of thought is throughout the game, like how do his reads really form and why does he vote for the people he does. He isn't really pushing anything for real reasons.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 18 2015 13:12 GMT
#5295
Like there are some things i find really townie in Palmar's play:
- I liked his vote on Eden at the start of D2, because i think that is one of the reasons Eden is mafia (the extra information thing). However he doesn't pursue it. Why? Like he clearly thinks that was the case, why does he drop it?
- I also liked when he tried to make you work with him on D3. I found that out to come as natural and reasonable. But again, when people actually start doing shit (mainly when prplhz comes back to the thread) he goes back to just saying "marv is scum" or whatever dumb stuff that doesn't really help.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 18 2015 13:21 GMT
#5298
I have to check his play in Titanic III play. I think that's Palmar's best scumgame i have ever seen since i couldn't figure out he was mafia until the very end. What he is capable of and whatnot.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 18 2015 13:38 GMT
#5303
yeah you are right it doesn't.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 18 2015 13:44 GMT
#5305
On March 18 2015 22:42 marvellosity wrote:
So I remember saying before that I didn't look like how Eden treated jat day 1 looked very bussy.

If Eden is mafia, then it was bussy. What do you think of that?

Or is the argument that Eden likes to bus but did it early, and tried to lynch ritoky with jat?

Eden is a busser. He basically did nothing but bussed SL in the PM game awhile ago.
I don't know what you mean with the last sentence?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 18 2015 13:53 GMT
#5308
On March 18 2015 22:45 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2015 22:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 18 2015 22:42 marvellosity wrote:
So I remember saying before that I didn't look like how Eden treated jat day 1 looked very bussy.

If Eden is mafia, then it was bussy. What do you think of that?

Or is the argument that Eden likes to bus but did it early, and tried to lynch ritoky with jat?

Eden is a busser. He basically did nothing but bussed SL in the PM game awhile ago.
I don't know what you mean with the last sentence?

The last sentence is just the narrative - Eden buses jat early, then tries to lynch ritoky late in the day when jat did.

Yes it makes sense to me. Correct me if i am wrong but when JAT became the leading wagon and started playing and shouting things there were people who were considering ritoky as a possible lynch. My interpretation is that mafia realized there is a chance ritoky can be lynched instead of JAT. Onegu most likely can't do shit about it. So it has to be JAT and Eden who push the lynch because JAT can't do that alone at least if Eden is on JAT wagon. The situation is different from the PM game where Eden and SL were pretty much the only viable wagons on D1, there is nothing to do there but bus (and Eden in that game started bussing when i had made a big fucking case on SL and Koshi on Eden -- like it's really easy to deduce there is nothing you can do to avoid mafia being lynched).

Like i know this is irrelevant to Eden's alignment if i have incorrectly read the situation on D1 but i do remember going even harder on JAT because i feared there is a chance people pile up on ritoky instead. Maybe i need to recheck that too.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 18 2015 14:05 GMT
#5311
Also this:
ritoky is probably town on further reflection. There seemed to be a brief window where the lynch was in question, with ray, ritoky and JAT as the three wagons. JAT was very animated about getting people who weren't committed against him or ray to vote for ritoky over him. I think it was Koshi who called it the "time when JAT had hope" of not being lynched, and he spent an awful lot of it trying to get ritoky lynched. The catch here is that JAT is the better scumsided player compared to ritoky pretty easily, and I'd think that in most cases a given scumteam would rather sac ritoky to save JAT than the reverse. (No offense ritoky, it's not that you're bad, it's that JAT has arguably the best scumside game of anyone currently active on TL Mafia.) So JAT busing isn't out of the question. And it's not like ritoky has played a scintillating obvtown game either. But the reason this is more likely town is simple - if the mafia team had decided to bus (which, if they're both mafia, JAT pushing ritoky hard = bus), why didn't ritoky push to get JAT lynched? It's too glaring an inconsistency to ignore, so I think ritoky is probably town.

As i said, this looks like Eden is giving all the reasons for ritoky be mafia, then ends up in conclusion that "ritoky is town".
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 18 2015 14:07 GMT
#5313
On March 18 2015 23:03 marvellosity wrote:
had this post typed up about what Onegu was doing and I deleted it.

Really hard to make something out of a bus happy filter from a bus happy player. Did he just bus everyone?

Was his last minute voting on Eden an opportunistic play to save the mafia (prplhz) that he'd been bussing all day? Or was he just going for the sweet, sweet endgame play?

I really can't tell

I don't really bank on these kinda things tbh.
Just because i think it's really BS, as you can't actually know what mafia thinks at certain point of the game, to use something some scum said against another player as there is no way for them to defend against it.
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