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Fecalfeast
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February 20 2015 00:15 GMT
#15
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Fecalfeast
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February 21 2015 02:01 GMT
#37
pregame excuse: I can't read
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February 21 2015 02:33 GMT
#40
If enough noobs want in I will forfeit my spot and replace instead. Gotta get them new players interested, you know?
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February 23 2015 21:12 GMT
#84
On February 24 2015 06:08 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2015 05:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Oh trust me, you haven't seen ANYTHING yet.


How much more of the depths of it are we going to learn this game? :p



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Fecalfeast
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February 23 2015 22:03 GMT
#91
Well if you want to give noobs experience robik is a good choice
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Fecalfeast
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February 27 2015 02:42 GMT
#1429
Replacementfeast on the job.
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February 27 2015 02:43 GMT
#1431
scum, feel free to pressure me for that easy mislynch but I read the posts of the man I replaced and correctly read him town before I got the replacement pm. Other than that, I've been barely skimming this game.
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February 27 2015 02:44 GMT
#1433
On February 27 2015 11:44 Snarfs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2015 11:42 Fecalfeast wrote:
Replacementfeast on the job.

Hi!

The first volunteer to have their filter read! Congratulations!
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Fecalfeast
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February 27 2015 02:56 GMT
#1435
after page one I already think you're bleeding town. Does anyone have issues with snarfs? I'm still all up in this filter but if there's something in context that I might miss by looking at his filter alone, lmk
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Fecalfeast
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February 27 2015 02:57 GMT
#1436
On February 25 2015 13:41 Snarfs wrote:
This is awkward, but I think Node is actually mafia.

Have a look at a few of his posts.

FIRST:
His waffling about Damdred.

"Now, I want to make it clear that I don't think you're scum. Yet."

+ Show Spoiler +
On February 25 2015 01:44 Node wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 00:47 Damdred wrote:
On February 24 2015 17:48 Node wrote:
On February 24 2015 15:53 Damdred wrote:
I never threw any shit honestly I think Hts is scum, Eden is potential scum based off of meta at this point.

There are always two sides of giving someone a chance they give you more evidence to help secure a lynch, or they come in and proove they are town.

HTS is a very capable town player, sometimes she gets tricked but still a good player. Very capable of looking town with original thoughts.

So why can't their be town motivation in making sure I don't get tunneled on something hours into a game when Hts hasn't even broken a page quite yet, bit has said some questionable things.


I have no issues with people backing off a read, but you can't keep saying you think people are "potential scum" or have said "questionable things" without actually putting some substance behind it. Make a case! Scum doesn't care about a few people maybe being iffy about them, they care about hard cases that put them in the spotlight.


you seemingly haven't read the whole thread or only skimmed as I answered why I think both are scummy. This is interesting post


OMGUS harder, why don't you?

It's a little annoying how one of the default responses to criticism is "did you even READ?" I read your filter. You've quoted none of the people you say are suspicious, you haven't engaged any of them directly, and you're straight. A key tell for a mafia is indecisiveness, and what people are picking up on isn't that you're backing off on your reads, it's that they were barely there to begin with. It's as if they were practically set up just to be backed off of later, or inconsequential enough that you wouldn't have to follow through. Here's what I'm talking about:

Show nested quote +
On February 24 2015 13:04 Damdred wrote:
though pr is most interesting person in the thread


Show nested quote +
On February 24 2015 11:44 Damdred wrote:
Eden you feel so disconnected and out of it right now. I'm really really worrying you rolled scum with hts


Now, I want to make it clear that I don't think you're scum. Yet. (a blatant OMGUS isn't helping) But I do think your posts have done little more than gum up the thread. It's one thing to call my post "interesting" and start to get people thinking about me. It's another to actually say what I did was scummy and why.


SECOND:
In the following post, he completely misrepresents Tronak, then says he just has a null read on him but if he doesn't do anything he's scum.

"Overall, I don't have a read on Tronak yet, but that's because he hasn't actually said anything. I'm willing to cut him some slack for being totally new, but if he doesn't step it up soon and get some posts that go above sounding desperate to contribute, I'm going to get a lot more suspicious."

+ Show Spoiler +
On February 25 2015 07:12 Node wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 06:26 sicklucker wrote:
On February 25 2015 06:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
You had to post 6 times For that?


Hi this is my posting style deal witth it


We might deal with it by lynching you. Can we not turn this into a spamfest? Seriously, I don't have the time to deal with hundreds of pointless posts a day.

And speaking of pointless posts, let's have a quick gander at what Tronak has had to say so far.

Show nested quote +
On February 24 2015 22:21 Tronak wrote:
After re-reading all, Going to throw some open questions and my thinkings about them:

1) Snarfs, why would you suggest a RNG voting being town and a veteran player?
Either was a simple way to make fellow townies show up them selves or in my newbie opinion should be read as a scummy post.

2) Artanis' opening: why would you introduce Mayors voting if game setup is given?
Opening joke? Mayor is usually a starting point and you didnt read game setup? This follows another game? If not, I would read your post as mafia. If yes, is

-Yamato quickly (1min later) votes for lyching Artanis . And Mayor joke appears again. Why?
I can only read 2 mafias trying to create confusion, but I would be happy to hear what you both think about this.

3) Tormented throws his bomb list.
Want to think, Tormented thought similar to me (above) and when pressured by Artanis to give his reads made a quick list pointing out both names (Artanis and Yamato). Would mafia do this? I dont think so, it was too early from my point of view, too much to lose.

4) Probulous accuses Damdred: I like Probolous' read and arguments given against Damdred so much that when I first read his post all my senses were focused on analysing Damdred's following posts. Up to this point, I think Probolous wins the mini batle and Damdred will need to give futher arguments to convince me about his alignment.

5) Yamato appears again to switch completly thread's focus and focus on Tormented again giving good arguments based on filtered history. Snarfs looks like aproving this switch very fast and Artanis pushes this line further in his last post.

If Yamato/Snarf or Artanis were mafia, would they like to lynch a "tormented" townie and use this line to save a suspected Damdred? Sure!

Conclusion: despite all guides about Mafia I have read suggest scum wouldn't be so active in the first hours of the game, from my point of view so far, all makes me think that at least 1 or 2 scums must be between the list of names mentioned in this post (with no exceptions). However I can't arrive to single point any of them and the innocents should also be very valuable for the town. I see the names not mentioned in this post as townies so far. So, I hope your answers for my wall of text clear my way.


"Here's a bunch of things that have happened so far. Some of these people might be scum, but they all feel like town."

Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 03:16 Tronak wrote:
On February 25 2015 02:57 Snarfs wrote:
Tronak, you left Node off your list. Your thoughts please?


Actually some points:
-He pointed out before me the scummy sense of your RNG voting post. Since I had same, "maybe" unexperienced, reading while i was reading your post, my first impression was to feel aligned with him, therefore should be townie to my eyes.
-About voting on you so directly = since he posted that his reason was just a "grain of salt" I suspect is just a move to push you = townie again to get information about you.
- Recently he pushes agressively Damdred which I can only applaud since I look forward for more information about this last one. (to my eyes this should be townie post again, or.... could be mafia move to save Tormented, in case he is mafia).


"Here's what Node has done. He might be town, but he might also be mafia."

Overall, I don't have a read on Tronak yet, but that's because he hasn't actually said anything. I'm willing to cut him some slack for being totally new, but if he doesn't step it up soon and get some posts that go above sounding desperate to contribute, I'm going to get a lot more suspicious.

Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 05:33 Snarfs wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

There we go. Here's what I have written on Node:

On February 25 2015 02:55 Snarfs wrote:
Once I get to work I'll probably dig through some of Node's recent games. I don't know much about his play except that he's been around for awhile.

Following up a bit, I'm less convinced that Node's opener indicates he is mafia. Keep in mind these were games from ~2.5 years ago, but if he hasn't played mafia in between then there's no indication that he would have changed so it's all I've got to go on.

From Death Note mafia (Node as town detective):
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 01 2012 09:19 Node wrote:
I'm going to vote for BlackMamba. Here's why:

Show nested quote +
One scum almost always takes it upon themselves to make large posts early on and establish themselves as very very "pro-town". They love buzzwords like "anti-town" and other stupid things like that. I just can't see any reason for a townie to spend that much time, early in the game, establishing their townieness unless there is a mayoral election or something like that.


This is such an incredibly wrong and scummy statement that it's unbelievable. Think about what it means for just a second. Mamba is saying that going out of your way to establish your townieness is unnecessary -- even scummy. It's even one of the first rules in Ver's guide: establish your own innocence in order to create a good atmospere and make it easier to find scum. (forgive me for not citing it directly at this moment; my resources are limited)

Now, why would he want to enforce this? Only scum could possibly want to establish an atmosphere where showing your innocence is a bad thing.

There's also the insinuation that claiming self-aware miller is a poor choice, the questionable case against Hapa (dismissed with an "I wasn't-really-trying" excuse), and the statement that voting for someone doing as little as Palmar would actually be a bad idea. All of this comes together to show somebody that isn't trying to establish a pro-town atmosphere, is pushing the wrong targets, and is definitely scum.

##vote BlackMamba24

What I read here is a very pressure-oriented tactic. It feels very similar to how he opened up against me. He focuses in on a single player and doesn't waver at all in his assertion that this player must be mafia because of a single thing they said. He also doesn't drop any town reads.

From Liquid City mafia (Node as mafia goon):
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 01 2012 17:40 Node wrote:
I don't think Shady Sands is scum -- at least, not given what we've seen so far. His "trolling" antics were silly, but they weren't scummy. If he were scum, I don't think he would've dropped the trolling pretext so quickly, and I certainly don't think he would be willing to reappear and start pushing targets.

Now, kush on the other hand has been talking a lot about absolutely nothing. Seeing as he considers his vote on Shady absolutely inconsequential so far ("My vote for Shady had nothing to do with a scumread of any sort"), he's sure spent an awful lot of time discussing it. Weirdly enough, he justifies his current vote by saying he doesn't have any scum reads, yet has also thrown a few FoS's around. So, we see his vote that doesn't matter (yet) on someone he doesn't care about, instead of actually pushing the rather perfunctory cases he's made so far, possibly just so he can look like he's actually contributing.

So, I'll actually put my vote where my mouth is. ##vote kushm4sta

Show nested quote +
On October 01 2012 14:30 Z-BosoN wrote:
##FoS Coagulation
Shitty one-liners and refuses to explain anything. Either very arrogant or wants to pretend he is actually contributing.


Bolded for emphasis. This is pretty much exactly how Coagulation plays every game. If he's town, in a day or two he'll come up with a handful of proper scum reads to tunnel for the rest of the game, about half of which will be correct.

Contrast this with Node's opener as mafia. Here he's making sure to comment on something else going on in the thread. He's dropping town reads to fit in. "Hmm Shady Sands is probably not scum. He's silly but not scummy... hmm maybe we can look at someone else and here's a decent reason why." And then he continues to comment on some other pieces of information.


This right here is the kind of thing I like to see. (and not just because it concludes I'm town)


Node's summary of Tronak's list is the following:
"Here's a bunch of things that have happened so far. Some of these people might be scum, but they all feel like town."

Here's what Tronak actually says: myself, yamato, and artanis feel scummy

I believe Node is purposely trying to shed Tronak in a poor light so that he can justify a lynch on him should the sentiment sway that way.

THIRD:
This is the post that turned me back around after my attempt at looking at his previous games. He's talking about me, and keep in mind I know I'm town, but he shouldn't.

If Node was town, how does he go from "this guy is my number 1 mafia read" to "this guy's actions could completely be explained by mafia, but if I see more of it I might consider him town"?

His actual quote:
"Snarfs has nothing to lose by "concluding" that I'm town if he is mafia, so my vote remains unchanged. But I like to see actual analysis, and more of it on other people is likely to sway me."

+ Show Spoiler +
On February 25 2015 11:16 Node wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 10:57 Probulous wrote:
On February 24 2015 17:37 Node wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On February 24 2015 09:25 Snarfs wrote:
Okay, I see some other games with some of these other guys as well. And Tronak said already that it's his/her first mafia game ever so it looks like I'm covered in this regard, no need to continue down the rabbit hole.

Is this the point where someone proposes an RNG lynch?


This was really early in the game, so take it with a grain of salt, but I'd like to point out that this is actually really scummy. Beyond an RNG lynch being an awful idea for reasons already stated, there's also bit of a deflection here -- Snarfs isn't going to propose a lynch, "someone" is. Nevermind that he's the first one to actually bring it up.

Snarfs also just posted a wall of text without actually saying much of anything. Yeah, there are some reads in there, but considering there are a couple of people that he'd lynch "pretty happily", there's nothing concrete. Just some feels without conclusions and a distinct lack of an actual case or vote.

Based on that, I'm going to park at ##Vote: Snarfs for now.

On February 25 2015 04:51 Node wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On February 25 2015 04:03 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 01:44 Node wrote:
On February 25 2015 00:47 Damdred wrote:
On February 24 2015 17:48 Node wrote:
On February 24 2015 15:53 Damdred wrote:
I never threw any shit honestly I think Hts is scum, Eden is potential scum based off of meta at this point.

There are always two sides of giving someone a chance they give you more evidence to help secure a lynch, or they come in and proove they are town.

HTS is a very capable town player, sometimes she gets tricked but still a good player. Very capable of looking town with original thoughts.

So why can't their be town motivation in making sure I don't get tunneled on something hours into a game when Hts hasn't even broken a page quite yet, bit has said some questionable things.


I have no issues with people backing off a read, but you can't keep saying you think people are "potential scum" or have said "questionable things" without actually putting some substance behind it. Make a case! Scum doesn't care about a few people maybe being iffy about them, they care about hard cases that put them in the spotlight.


you seemingly haven't read the whole thread or only skimmed as I answered why I think both are scummy. This is interesting post


OMGUS harder, why don't you?

It's a little annoying how one of the default responses to criticism is "did you even READ?" I read your filter. You've quoted none of the people you say are suspicious, you haven't engaged any of them directly, and you're straight. A key tell for a mafia is indecisiveness, and what people are picking up on isn't that you're backing off on your reads, it's that they were barely there to begin with. It's as if they were practically set up just to be backed off of later, or inconsequential enough that you wouldn't have to follow through. Here's what I'm talking about:

On February 24 2015 13:04 Damdred wrote:
though pr is most interesting person in the thread


On February 24 2015 11:44 Damdred wrote:
Eden you feel so disconnected and out of it right now. I'm really really worrying you rolled scum with hts


Now, I want to make it clear that I don't think you're scum. Yet. (a blatant OMGUS isn't helping) But I do think your posts have done little more than gum up the thread. It's one thing to call my post "interesting" and start to get people thinking about me. It's another to actually say what I did was scummy and why.

RNG was so pure. This post bleeds red to me

Something about the sequence here reads "let me make several arguments for why you're mafia and then say that I don't suspect you but leave the door open for doing so later"


Mostly it's because my belief in Snarfs being mafia is significantly stronger.+ Show Spoiler +
I don't believe that someone as active as Damdred early on that attracts as much attention as he has is likely to be scum. I feel that we're much better off early on putting pressure on people that are hesitant to post. Yes, it's possible to post a lot and be scum, but town benefits a lot more at this point from forcing those that aren't posting to respond -- Damdred's already given us plenty to work with as time passes. However, I also think he could also be doing a much better job of actually hunting scum. (For one thing, when the threads get as long as they do as quickly as they do in this forum, you'd better believe quotes are an important tool if you want people to listen to you. Don't depend on others to draw the conclusions you have.)

Which brings me to Snarfs: He's content to pop up and comment on what's going on, but constantly asking people what they think of other people isn't actually much of a contribution. What does he actually think about anybody other than me? His big post seems substantial, but what's backing it up? Again, he says he'd be "pretty happy" to lynch either The Shining or sicklucker, but flash forward a day and there's still nothing else on those two. Like, it costs nothing to throw your vote around. Put your money where your mouth is.

On February 25 2015 07:12 Node wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On February 25 2015 06:26 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 06:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
You had to post 6 times For that?


Hi this is my posting style deal witth it


We might deal with it by lynching you. Can we not turn this into a spamfest? Seriously, I don't have the time to deal with hundreds of pointless posts a day.

And speaking of pointless posts, let's have a quick gander at what Tronak has had to say so far.

On February 24 2015 22:21 Tronak wrote:
After re-reading all, Going to throw some open questions and my thinkings about them:

1) Snarfs, why would you suggest a RNG voting being town and a veteran player?
Either was a simple way to make fellow townies show up them selves or in my newbie opinion should be read as a scummy post.

2) Artanis' opening: why would you introduce Mayors voting if game setup is given?
Opening joke? Mayor is usually a starting point and you didnt read game setup? This follows another game? If not, I would read your post as mafia. If yes, is

-Yamato quickly (1min later) votes for lyching Artanis . And Mayor joke appears again. Why?
I can only read 2 mafias trying to create confusion, but I would be happy to hear what you both think about this.

3) Tormented throws his bomb list.
Want to think, Tormented thought similar to me (above) and when pressured by Artanis to give his reads made a quick list pointing out both names (Artanis and Yamato). Would mafia do this? I dont think so, it was too early from my point of view, too much to lose.

4) Probulous accuses Damdred: I like Probolous' read and arguments given against Damdred so much that when I first read his post all my senses were focused on analysing Damdred's following posts. Up to this point, I think Probolous wins the mini batle and Damdred will need to give futher arguments to convince me about his alignment.

5) Yamato appears again to switch completly thread's focus and focus on Tormented again giving good arguments based on filtered history. Snarfs looks like aproving this switch very fast and Artanis pushes this line further in his last post.

If Yamato/Snarf or Artanis were mafia, would they like to lynch a "tormented" townie and use this line to save a suspected Damdred? Sure!

Conclusion: despite all guides about Mafia I have read suggest scum wouldn't be so active in the first hours of the game, from my point of view so far, all makes me think that at least 1 or 2 scums must be between the list of names mentioned in this post (with no exceptions). However I can't arrive to single point any of them and the innocents should also be very valuable for the town. I see the names not mentioned in this post as townies so far. So, I hope your answers for my wall of text clear my way.


"Here's a bunch of things that have happened so far. Some of these people might be scum, but they all feel like town."

On February 25 2015 03:16 Tronak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 02:57 Snarfs wrote:
Tronak, you left Node off your list. Your thoughts please?


Actually some points:
-He pointed out before me the scummy sense of your RNG voting post. Since I had same, "maybe" unexperienced, reading while i was reading your post, my first impression was to feel aligned with him, therefore should be townie to my eyes.
-About voting on you so directly = since he posted that his reason was just a "grain of salt" I suspect is just a move to push you = townie again to get information about you.
- Recently he pushes agressively Damdred which I can only applaud since I look forward for more information about this last one. (to my eyes this should be townie post again, or.... could be mafia move to save Tormented, in case he is mafia).


"Here's what Node has done. He might be town, but he might also be mafia."

Overall, I don't have a read on Tronak yet, but that's because he hasn't actually said anything. I'm willing to cut him some slack for being totally new, but if he doesn't step it up soon and get some posts that go above sounding desperate to contribute, I'm going to get a lot more suspicious.

On February 25 2015 05:33 Snarfs wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

There we go. Here's what I have written on Node:

On February 25 2015 02:55 Snarfs wrote:
Once I get to work I'll probably dig through some of Node's recent games. I don't know much about his play except that he's been around for awhile.

Following up a bit, I'm less convinced that Node's opener indicates he is mafia. Keep in mind these were games from ~2.5 years ago, but if he hasn't played mafia in between then there's no indication that he would have changed so it's all I've got to go on.

From Death Note mafia (Node as town detective):
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 01 2012 09:19 Node wrote:
I'm going to vote for BlackMamba. Here's why:

Show nested quote +
One scum almost always takes it upon themselves to make large posts early on and establish themselves as very very "pro-town". They love buzzwords like "anti-town" and other stupid things like that. I just can't see any reason for a townie to spend that much time, early in the game, establishing their townieness unless there is a mayoral election or something like that.


This is such an incredibly wrong and scummy statement that it's unbelievable. Think about what it means for just a second. Mamba is saying that going out of your way to establish your townieness is unnecessary -- even scummy. It's even one of the first rules in Ver's guide: establish your own innocence in order to create a good atmospere and make it easier to find scum. (forgive me for not citing it directly at this moment; my resources are limited)

Now, why would he want to enforce this? Only scum could possibly want to establish an atmosphere where showing your innocence is a bad thing.

There's also the insinuation that claiming self-aware miller is a poor choice, the questionable case against Hapa (dismissed with an "I wasn't-really-trying" excuse), and the statement that voting for someone doing as little as Palmar would actually be a bad idea. All of this comes together to show somebody that isn't trying to establish a pro-town atmosphere, is pushing the wrong targets, and is definitely scum.

##vote BlackMamba24

What I read here is a very pressure-oriented tactic. It feels very similar to how he opened up against me. He focuses in on a single player and doesn't waver at all in his assertion that this player must be mafia because of a single thing they said. He also doesn't drop any town reads.

From Liquid City mafia (Node as mafia goon):
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 01 2012 17:40 Node wrote:
I don't think Shady Sands is scum -- at least, not given what we've seen so far. His "trolling" antics were silly, but they weren't scummy. If he were scum, I don't think he would've dropped the trolling pretext so quickly, and I certainly don't think he would be willing to reappear and start pushing targets.

Now, kush on the other hand has been talking a lot about absolutely nothing. Seeing as he considers his vote on Shady absolutely inconsequential so far ("My vote for Shady had nothing to do with a scumread of any sort"), he's sure spent an awful lot of time discussing it. Weirdly enough, he justifies his current vote by saying he doesn't have any scum reads, yet has also thrown a few FoS's around. So, we see his vote that doesn't matter (yet) on someone he doesn't care about, instead of actually pushing the rather perfunctory cases he's made so far, possibly just so he can look like he's actually contributing.

So, I'll actually put my vote where my mouth is. ##vote kushm4sta

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On October 01 2012 14:30 Z-BosoN wrote:
##FoS Coagulation
Shitty one-liners and refuses to explain anything. Either very arrogant or wants to pretend he is actually contributing.


Bolded for emphasis. This is pretty much exactly how Coagulation plays every game. If he's town, in a day or two he'll come up with a handful of proper scum reads to tunnel for the rest of the game, about half of which will be correct.

Contrast this with Node's opener as mafia. Here he's making sure to comment on something else going on in the thread. He's dropping town reads to fit in. "Hmm Shady Sands is probably not scum. He's silly but not scummy... hmm maybe we can look at someone else and here's a decent reason why." And then he continues to comment on some other pieces of information.


This right here is the kind of thing I like to see. (and not just because it concludes I'm town)

On February 25 2015 07:41 Node wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On February 25 2015 07:30 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 07:12 Node wrote:
On February 25 2015 06:26 sicklucker wrote:
On February 25 2015 06:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
You had to post 6 times For that?


Hi this is my posting style deal witth it


We might deal with it by lynching you. Can we not turn this into a spamfest? Seriously, I don't have the time to deal with hundreds of pointless posts a day.

And speaking of pointless posts, let's have a quick gander at what Tronak has had to say so far.

On February 24 2015 22:21 Tronak wrote:
After re-reading all, Going to throw some open questions and my thinkings about them:

1) Snarfs, why would you suggest a RNG voting being town and a veteran player?
Either was a simple way to make fellow townies show up them selves or in my newbie opinion should be read as a scummy post.

2) Artanis' opening: why would you introduce Mayors voting if game setup is given?
Opening joke? Mayor is usually a starting point and you didnt read game setup? This follows another game? If not, I would read your post as mafia. If yes, is

-Yamato quickly (1min later) votes for lyching Artanis . And Mayor joke appears again. Why?
I can only read 2 mafias trying to create confusion, but I would be happy to hear what you both think about this.

3) Tormented throws his bomb list.
Want to think, Tormented thought similar to me (above) and when pressured by Artanis to give his reads made a quick list pointing out both names (Artanis and Yamato). Would mafia do this? I dont think so, it was too early from my point of view, too much to lose.

4) Probulous accuses Damdred: I like Probolous' read and arguments given against Damdred so much that when I first read his post all my senses were focused on analysing Damdred's following posts. Up to this point, I think Probolous wins the mini batle and Damdred will need to give futher arguments to convince me about his alignment.

5) Yamato appears again to switch completly thread's focus and focus on Tormented again giving good arguments based on filtered history. Snarfs looks like aproving this switch very fast and Artanis pushes this line further in his last post.

If Yamato/Snarf or Artanis were mafia, would they like to lynch a "tormented" townie and use this line to save a suspected Damdred? Sure!

Conclusion: despite all guides about Mafia I have read suggest scum wouldn't be so active in the first hours of the game, from my point of view so far, all makes me think that at least 1 or 2 scums must be between the list of names mentioned in this post (with no exceptions). However I can't arrive to single point any of them and the innocents should also be very valuable for the town. I see the names not mentioned in this post as townies so far. So, I hope your answers for my wall of text clear my way.


"Here's a bunch of things that have happened so far. Some of these people might be scum, but they all feel like town."

On February 25 2015 03:16 Tronak wrote:
On February 25 2015 02:57 Snarfs wrote:
Tronak, you left Node off your list. Your thoughts please?


Actually some points:
-He pointed out before me the scummy sense of your RNG voting post. Since I had same, "maybe" unexperienced, reading while i was reading your post, my first impression was to feel aligned with him, therefore should be townie to my eyes.
-About voting on you so directly = since he posted that his reason was just a "grain of salt" I suspect is just a move to push you = townie again to get information about you.
- Recently he pushes agressively Damdred which I can only applaud since I look forward for more information about this last one. (to my eyes this should be townie post again, or.... could be mafia move to save Tormented, in case he is mafia).


"Here's what Node has done. He might be town, but he might also be mafia."

Overall, I don't have a read on Tronak yet
, but that's because he hasn't actually said anything. I'm willing to cut him some slack for being totally new, but if he doesn't step it up soon and get some posts that go above sounding desperate to contribute, I'm going to get a lot more suspicious.

On February 25 2015 05:33 Snarfs wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

There we go. Here's what I have written on Node:

On February 25 2015 02:55 Snarfs wrote:
Once I get to work I'll probably dig through some of Node's recent games. I don't know much about his play except that he's been around for awhile.

Following up a bit, I'm less convinced that Node's opener indicates he is mafia. Keep in mind these were games from ~2.5 years ago, but if he hasn't played mafia in between then there's no indication that he would have changed so it's all I've got to go on.

From Death Note mafia (Node as town detective):
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 01 2012 09:19 Node wrote:
I'm going to vote for BlackMamba. Here's why:

Show nested quote +
One scum almost always takes it upon themselves to make large posts early on and establish themselves as very very "pro-town". They love buzzwords like "anti-town" and other stupid things like that. I just can't see any reason for a townie to spend that much time, early in the game, establishing their townieness unless there is a mayoral election or something like that.


This is such an incredibly wrong and scummy statement that it's unbelievable. Think about what it means for just a second. Mamba is saying that going out of your way to establish your townieness is unnecessary -- even scummy. It's even one of the first rules in Ver's guide: establish your own innocence in order to create a good atmospere and make it easier to find scum. (forgive me for not citing it directly at this moment; my resources are limited)

Now, why would he want to enforce this? Only scum could possibly want to establish an atmosphere where showing your innocence is a bad thing.

There's also the insinuation that claiming self-aware miller is a poor choice, the questionable case against Hapa (dismissed with an "I wasn't-really-trying" excuse), and the statement that voting for someone doing as little as Palmar would actually be a bad idea. All of this comes together to show somebody that isn't trying to establish a pro-town atmosphere, is pushing the wrong targets, and is definitely scum.

##vote BlackMamba24

What I read here is a very pressure-oriented tactic. It feels very similar to how he opened up against me. He focuses in on a single player and doesn't waver at all in his assertion that this player must be mafia because of a single thing they said. He also doesn't drop any town reads.

From Liquid City mafia (Node as mafia goon):
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 01 2012 17:40 Node wrote:
I don't think Shady Sands is scum -- at least, not given what we've seen so far. His "trolling" antics were silly, but they weren't scummy. If he were scum, I don't think he would've dropped the trolling pretext so quickly, and I certainly don't think he would be willing to reappear and start pushing targets.

Now, kush on the other hand has been talking a lot about absolutely nothing. Seeing as he considers his vote on Shady absolutely inconsequential so far ("My vote for Shady had nothing to do with a scumread of any sort"), he's sure spent an awful lot of time discussing it. Weirdly enough, he justifies his current vote by saying he doesn't have any scum reads, yet has also thrown a few FoS's around. So, we see his vote that doesn't matter (yet) on someone he doesn't care about, instead of actually pushing the rather perfunctory cases he's made so far, possibly just so he can look like he's actually contributing.

So, I'll actually put my vote where my mouth is. ##vote kushm4sta

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On October 01 2012 14:30 Z-BosoN wrote:
##FoS Coagulation
Shitty one-liners and refuses to explain anything. Either very arrogant or wants to pretend he is actually contributing.


Bolded for emphasis. This is pretty much exactly how Coagulation plays every game. If he's town, in a day or two he'll come up with a handful of proper scum reads to tunnel for the rest of the game, about half of which will be correct.

Contrast this with Node's opener as mafia. Here he's making sure to comment on something else going on in the thread. He's dropping town reads to fit in. "Hmm Shady Sands is probably not scum. He's silly but not scummy... hmm maybe we can look at someone else and here's a decent reason why." And then he continues to comment on some other pieces of information.


This right here is the kind of thing I like to see. (and not just because it concludes I'm town)

ok, do it once, I can give a pass with a decent-sounding answer

do it TWICE? no way

who do you actually scumread if all of your would-be cases turn into "I don't actually read him mafia yet"?


Hi, have you seen my posts on snarfs? Do you see where my vote is sitting right now?+ Show Spoiler +


And if you'd be willing to call Tronak scum based on what we've seen so far, be my guest. I'm not. My hope is that he'll see the pressure and step up to the plate, but if he doesn't, well, my vote can certainly be changed.


Explain please


Snarfs has nothing to lose by "concluding" that I'm town if he is mafia, so my vote remains unchanged. But I like to see actual analysis, and more of it on other people is likely to sway me.


None of this makes sense to me from a town perspective. My only explanation is that he's mafia.

##Vote: Node


Awkward. I assure you this slot is town, though that's probably not too reassuring.
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#1438
can someone link/quote me a final vote count for Day1?
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#1440
On February 26 2015 08:58 Blazinghand wrote:
Vote Count


WaveofShadow (7): Eden1892, Probulous, Damdred, _Tormented_, Tronak, snarfs, The Shining
Snarfs (5): Node, Yamato77, WaveofShadow, Artanis[Xp], KelsierSC
KelsierSC (1): sicklucker

Not Voting (0):

Currently, WaveofShadow is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in at 00:00 GMT (+00:00).

Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain.

Thanks fecalfeast I appreciate that
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#1441
On February 27 2015 12:10 KelsierSC wrote:
##vote Fecalfeast

I love you too kelsier
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February 27 2015 03:17 GMT
#1443
Kelsier doesn't really think about the stuff he does, it's not his fault. He will see with time.
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#1446
The shining can I get a list post out of you by chance? I don't need reasons yet, though I may ask for specific reasons afterward.

If you're unsure, a 'list post' is where you show your reads on everyone in the game. Either by grouping them into categories (town/town lean/null/scum lean/scum) or by listing each player and your read on them individually.
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#1447
Also anyone scumreading snarfs can you give me a hint as to why? His filter seems so town to me, even if his vote ended up on a townie in the end.
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#1451
about to close up so I wont be going in depth until later but thanks for getting that out when you're under time constraints.
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#1458
On February 27 2015 13:15 Eden1892 wrote:
Artanis and Nodefeast are pretty clear mafia to me now btw

Why did you think node was scum?
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February 27 2015 06:29 GMT
#1469
I'm not scum though. Is node new to the game? He was more active and elaborate than most new townies, how can you think he did that as scum?

You are wrong on my slot eden. I will prove this with time. For now, however, I will play planetside
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#1471
oh that was to eden, I'm cooked and forgot to quote
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February 27 2015 06:31 GMT
#1472
How am I so unreadable? You're like the only person who thinks so. Maybe HtS too since she called my town game scummy, but whatever
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#1473
To SL, my bad
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February 27 2015 06:36 GMT
#1480
How many people are scum reading yamato I remember him coming up a lot.
Also why was snarfs the other wagon?

Why was you vote on a separate person, SL? Did you think both wagons were town but no one listened?
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#1533
On February 28 2015 00:47 Tronak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2015 16:59 Snarfs wrote:
Keep pushing them Tronak. 2 town losses at this point is about 75% of games according to those stats from the beginning so don't feel discouraged.

What do you think of the shining at this point?


About TheShining after jumping 10mins in his filter:

-He arrives terribly late because he forgot his tablet at work. 2 questions for TheShining:
1) Shining can't you play from another technology at your house?
2) Why didn't you play from work as you have recently made?

-A pretty big proportion of his posts are useless for the game. I am refering to:
1) those related his presentation.
2) his apologies for coming back late into the game, the comunication of his progress of pages readed and comments on closed cases like Prob's case on Damdred all over in the midle of last 2 hours of EOD without adding a single usefull thing.
3) other spamm like: I am playing this other mafia game (I dont care at all what else you playing or how it goes) or I'm playing League of Legends.
4) his emotional posts with KSC (Iit happened the same to me, however this is my first game, is his 4th).

-Then he puts this post comes in:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2015 12:46 The Shining wrote:
On February 27 2015 12:26 Fecalfeast wrote:
The shining can I get a list post out of you by chance? I don't need reasons yet, though I may ask for specific reasons afterward.

If you're unsure, a 'list post' is where you show your reads on everyone in the game. Either by grouping them into categories (town/town lean/null/scum lean/scum) or by listing each player and your read on them individually.


Probulous - town lean
Artanis - scummy
SL - null(I have a post addressing this)
Tronak - null
Yamato - suspicious, leaning scum
Tormented - town lean
Shining - town
Eden - null
Snarfs - town
HTS/Kelsier - had HTS as suspicious, Kels play has me back towards town lean
Node/Fecal - was scum, back to null


Which brings me the following:
1) A scum read for lazyness on Fecalfeast. Fecalfeast we still waiting you do you homework and publish your own analysis of the previous 70 pages before you replaced, meanwhile your posts are useless.

2) About my reading on Shining for his list: clearly scummy.
-He enters the wagon on Artanis lynch (mafia could do this at this time of D2 even if Artanis is mafia as I believe so far)
-Reads town on Prob/Tormented/Kelsier/Scarf.
-Nulls on Eden, SL and me (why?) havent we given enough information to actually town or scum us?

Conclusion: right now I would be happy lyching him as part of scum team.

/thank Snarfs for asking me my opinion in this pearl (I would have skipped him many more hours). What do you think on him?

Responding to the bolded only: lolololololololololol
You really think I'm gonna read 70 pages and analyze them all? I'll read filters when i have time and give reads when asked. I'm phone atm but will be home later.
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February 27 2015 21:05 GMT
#1539
On February 28 2015 05:47 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2015 05:11 Fecalfeast wrote:
On February 28 2015 00:47 Tronak wrote:
On February 27 2015 16:59 Snarfs wrote:
Keep pushing them Tronak. 2 town losses at this point is about 75% of games according to those stats from the beginning so don't feel discouraged.

What do you think of the shining at this point?


About TheShining after jumping 10mins in his filter:

-He arrives terribly late because he forgot his tablet at work. 2 questions for TheShining:
1) Shining can't you play from another technology at your house?
2) Why didn't you play from work as you have recently made?

-A pretty big proportion of his posts are useless for the game. I am refering to:
1) those related his presentation.
2) his apologies for coming back late into the game, the comunication of his progress of pages readed and comments on closed cases like Prob's case on Damdred all over in the midle of last 2 hours of EOD without adding a single usefull thing.
3) other spamm like: I am playing this other mafia game (I dont care at all what else you playing or how it goes) or I'm playing League of Legends.
4) his emotional posts with KSC (Iit happened the same to me, however this is my first game, is his 4th).

-Then he puts this post comes in:
On February 27 2015 12:46 The Shining wrote:
On February 27 2015 12:26 Fecalfeast wrote:
The shining can I get a list post out of you by chance? I don't need reasons yet, though I may ask for specific reasons afterward.

If you're unsure, a 'list post' is where you show your reads on everyone in the game. Either by grouping them into categories (town/town lean/null/scum lean/scum) or by listing each player and your read on them individually.


Probulous - town lean
Artanis - scummy
SL - null(I have a post addressing this)
Tronak - null
Yamato - suspicious, leaning scum
Tormented - town lean
Shining - town
Eden - null
Snarfs - town
HTS/Kelsier - had HTS as suspicious, Kels play has me back towards town lean
Node/Fecal - was scum, back to null


Which brings me the following:
1) A scum read for lazyness on Fecalfeast. Fecalfeast we still waiting you do you homework and publish your own analysis of the previous 70 pages before you replaced, meanwhile your posts are useless.

2) About my reading on Shining for his list: clearly scummy.
-He enters the wagon on Artanis lynch (mafia could do this at this time of D2 even if Artanis is mafia as I believe so far)
-Reads town on Prob/Tormented/Kelsier/Scarf.
-Nulls on Eden, SL and me (why?) havent we given enough information to actually town or scum us?

Conclusion: right now I would be happy lyching him as part of scum team.

/thank Snarfs for asking me my opinion in this pearl (I would have skipped him many more hours). What do you think on him?

Responding to the bolded only: lolololololololololol
You really think I'm gonna read 70 pages and analyze them all? I'll read filters when i have time and give reads when asked. I'm phone atm but will be home later.

Why in God's name did you replace in with no intention of catching up?? Ugh

UGH, my way of playing is disgusting!

I've read the first 70 pages from an outsider point of view. I am NOT going to go back and write a book report on 70 pages of thread. I'm going to go through filters and form read from that.

I did not replace in with no intention of catching up. I replaced in with my own method of making reads this late in a game and don't have to do whatever little homework project gets thrown at me.

I've just finished my errands for today and will continue to make reads at my own pace.

Ugh
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February 27 2015 21:19 GMT
#1541
On February 28 2015 06:10 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2015 06:02 sicklucker wrote:
You dont think yamatoes mafia my wife?

i missed when this happened

and nah idk man. seemed townie d1? like i said i think there's a good chance i'm wrong about one of kels/yam/prob, so i'll figure that out on d4 or so if i'm around

You're telling me off for not wanting to read but you're not planning to reconsider anything until D4?

ok
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February 27 2015 21:22 GMT
#1543
On February 27 2015 16:51 Tronak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2015 15:29 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm not scum though. Is node new to the game? He was more active and elaborate than most new townies, how can you think he did that as scum?


Hi, nice meeting you.

Your statement is completly false, prove it if you can.

Now, as repacement, I expect you to do your homework. Read the ton of of pages and give us your conclusions before (or after) AFKing into another game.

Going through your filter I saw this post I had missed before. I don't understand what you want me to prove here.
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#1544
On February 28 2015 06:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Oh hai. Planned session is discontinued. Normally Capoeira gives me energy, but today it was actually exhausting. Would recommend the sport though, it feels pretty great. However, I'll tell you the plan for tomorrow.

Everyone votes for me and that doesn't change unless I become a universal townread. We treat me as green and start bouncing reads back and forth on the rest of all the players. We don't discuss whether we lynch me or not unless EVERYONE thinks I'm town. If I'm mafia, it's all wifom but no harm done. If I'm town, you'll have a lot of good reads from someone who is now confirmed town. Sound good?

What do you think of tronak?
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#1547
On February 28 2015 06:24 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2015 06:19 Fecalfeast wrote:
On February 28 2015 06:10 Eden1892 wrote:
On February 28 2015 06:02 sicklucker wrote:
You dont think yamatoes mafia my wife?

i missed when this happened

and nah idk man. seemed townie d1? like i said i think there's a good chance i'm wrong about one of kels/yam/prob, so i'll figure that out on d4 or so if i'm around

You're telling me off for not wanting to read but you're not planning to reconsider anything until D4?

ok

no dummy, I'm lynching Artanis and then you first

At least 50% of those people are town. You should reconsider your reads.
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February 27 2015 21:29 GMT
#1548
On February 28 2015 06:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2015 06:23 Fecalfeast wrote:
On February 28 2015 06:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Oh hai. Planned session is discontinued. Normally Capoeira gives me energy, but today it was actually exhausting. Would recommend the sport though, it feels pretty great. However, I'll tell you the plan for tomorrow.

Everyone votes for me and that doesn't change unless I become a universal townread. We treat me as green and start bouncing reads back and forth on the rest of all the players. We don't discuss whether we lynch me or not unless EVERYONE thinks I'm town. If I'm mafia, it's all wifom but no harm done. If I'm town, you'll have a lot of good reads from someone who is now confirmed town. Sound good?

What do you think of tronak?

Seems genuinely paranoid, probably town.

OK, I was also suspecting the shining but have since started to waffle on that. What's your opinion on him?
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#1550
OK, you like yamato as town, I like snarfs as town and I know I am town. What makes you think tormented is scummy? I will dive his filter now
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February 27 2015 22:08 GMT
#1552
SL who do you think is scum?
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#1570
On February 28 2015 09:48 KelsierSC wrote:
Nodes slot was mafia

Ff is useless and will continue to be.

Lynch him and move on.

What crawled up your ass this game?
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#1575
On February 28 2015 12:02 sicklucker wrote:
I hate to defend ff (like ever) But his slot did not look that mafia to me and he has made a huge effort for ff

I'm working on my OP for my game I'm hosting but I am now dead in [Active game] so once I finish my OP I will go back to filter diving
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February 28 2015 04:44 GMT
#1576
On February 28 2015 09:47 Tronak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2015 06:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
On February 27 2015 16:51 Tronak wrote:
On February 27 2015 15:29 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm not scum though. Is node new to the game? He was more active and elaborate than most new townies, how can you think he did that as scum?


Hi, nice meeting you.

Your statement is completly false, prove it if you can.

Now, as repacement, I expect you to do your homework. Read the ton of of pages and give us your conclusions before (or after) AFKing into another game.

Going through your filter I saw this post I had missed before. I don't understand what you want me to prove here.


"Is node new to the game? He was more active and elaborate than most new townies"

This is what I want you to prove.

Moreover since you are not willing to read the thread and catch up... (scummy) Now since you havent write the name Artanis in any of your posts so far. Whats your analysis and which are your reads after jumping in Artanis filter? I would appreciate if you could look it in deep and give your veteran thoughts. If you gonna tell me you havent jumped in Artanis yet after having 4-5 votes on him I am gonna tell you again that you are being extremly lazyscum.

I am currently diving artanis like you asked. I am flattered you call me a vet but honestly, I'm a shitter.

I don't see how I can prove that node seemed more elaborate and active (before he disappeared of course) than most new players. To me he looked like someone who was wrong and lost all motivation to play when he started to be scumread. Regardless, this is a pointless discussion. I am town regardless of what my predecessor did or said.
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Profile Joined January 2010
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February 28 2015 04:50 GMT
#1577
On February 26 2015 08:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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On February 26 2015 08:13 Snarfs wrote:
On February 26 2015 08:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On February 26 2015 08:08 Snarfs wrote:
On February 26 2015 08:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On February 26 2015 08:01 Snarfs wrote:
On February 26 2015 07:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On February 26 2015 07:37 Snarfs wrote:
On February 26 2015 07:30 _Tormented_ wrote:
Sigh...that post does seem rather towny. I do agree with your opinion of artanis, but I believe someone posted that he usually does tunnel someone they think is scum. So the fact that he provided very little else to the entire D1 could possibly be explained with that.

I just really dislike that I need to go back and read to figure out who he thinks is scum. If he was tunneling I'm pretty sure I'd know off the top of my head. I think it was yamato?

Okay, I've made up my mind. You're scum.

There's no way you're reading the thread if you don't know who I've been going after all game long.

I was saying you aren't tunneling and that you switched off of tormented onto yamato. Feels like a pretty weak tunnel on Tormented if that's what it was. That is what I'm saying.

You said you needed to go back and read to figure out who is scum. It doesn't matter if you call it tunneling or whatever. I can quote the amount of times I've asked for opinions on Tormented and how many times I referred back to the case. There's no way you didn't know I was suspecting him if you were reading the thread.

I knew damn well you were suspecting him. I meant who you had your vote on. Who you currently thought was scum by who you actually had your vote on.

I can also quote how many times I've said I didn't like Yamato if that helps. Generally people know these things of their main scumspects.

But why yamato? It just doesn't make sensssssse if you really thought Tormented was scum.

Because he basically dropped his case as soon as I wanted to lynch Tormented on the sole basis that I was voting for him.

Speaking of Yamato, I've just gone through his last two pages of filter and he seems to be prodding in a lot of places right now. Feeling better about him.

Artanis if you're around can you show me what specifically made you change your read on yamato? You were pretty adamant about calling yamato scummy for the first 4/5 pages of your filter and then this post comes out of left field.
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Profile Joined January 2010
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February 28 2015 04:59 GMT
#1579
On February 28 2015 13:57 Eden1892 wrote:
Has Artanis done anything since I voted for him?

No?

ok we lynch him lol

He sorta did what BH did in the last titanic when he was about to die.

Except BH didn't afk afterward.
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February 28 2015 18:31 GMT
#1602
On February 28 2015 16:35 Tronak wrote:
Awake and willing to read many things before EOD from:
-Artanis (how did saturday started in the Netherlands, good to practice Capoira? or you willing to help us on this game?)
-Fecalfeast (still waiting your analysis on Artanys' filter, kk thanks)
-TheShining (my eyes are not on you now, I'll be happy to talk with you further though)

Now I also expect more debate from:
-Yamato (plz )

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On February 26 2015 00:00 yamato77 wrote:
I told you guys

eden/snarfs +1


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On February 26 2015 00:01 yamato77 wrote:
I'm going to NAIL THESE GUYS when I get home from the bar

and then when I get NKd you sheep me in my memory and lynch the fuck out of them


Did this ever happened? I mean Yamato, your inputs been very few lately. Ok you wanna lynch SL for slacking on keeping silence about blue roles. I cant read scum, but would you plz. help us resolve other cases somehow?

-KSC: I understand your reasonings = FF = useless lets lynch him and move on. They seem kinda too "easy" to me though, keep it up please.

Been a while since I used this video


##vote artanis[xP]
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Profile Joined January 2010
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February 28 2015 18:40 GMT
#1606
On March 01 2015 03:33 Tronak wrote:
##unvote

##vote Fecalfeast

So to you I am the most likely scum because I haven't dome what you told me to do?

Nice
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Profile Joined January 2010
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February 28 2015 18:40 GMT
#1607
done*
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February 28 2015 18:46 GMT
#1610
On February 28 2015 21:04 Probulous wrote:
OK, sorry for the lack of posting. Weekend mafia is tough, especially when House of Cards Season 3 drops

First off, welcome to Shit-Samwich. Secondly
##Vote: FecalFeast

I had my suspicions about Node and his replacement is no better. Besides not reading the thread he is simply asking for reads and misrepresenting reality. His first action was dishonest. Note
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On February 27 2015 11:43 Fecalfeast wrote:
scum, feel free to pressure me for that easy mislynch but I read the posts of the man I replaced and correctly read him town before I got the replacement pm. Other than that, I've been barely skimming this game.

Followed by
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On February 27 2015 11:56 Fecalfeast wrote:
after page one I already think you're bleeding town. Does anyone have issues with snarfs? I'm still all up in this filter but if there's something in context that I might miss by looking at his filter alone, lmk

If you were skimming the thread, the first thing you notice is who was up for a lynch on Day 1. He knows that Snarfs is looking town to most people now because of the way is the lynch went down but he asks the question to appear ignorant.I mean why did he pick Snarfs anyway? My only conclusion is he saw the vote tally and thought Snarfs was a good person to start on because of the way the voting went but he tries to present it as if he is starting from scratch. You know, make the most of being a replacement. Lying is probably too harsh but it is definitely misrepresentation.

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On February 27 2015 12:02 Fecalfeast wrote:
can someone link/quote me a final vote count for Day1?

This is even more bull-shit if you follow the above. It like seriously linked in the OP. Followed by this
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On February 27 2015 15:36 Fecalfeast wrote:
How many people are scum reading yamato I remember him coming up a lot.
Also why was snarfs the other wagon? Why was you vote on a separate person, SL? Did you think both wagons were town but no one listened?

If he even bothered to look at the vote tally he just posted he would know that Yamato was never a serious lynch contender. Artanis voted for him really early but I think that was it. Again, he is misrepresenting what happened in this game. SL voted like an idiot because perhaps he is one, I don't know, but a simple reading of the hour before the lynch would show you his reasons. These questions are not simply questions someone asks when they are trying to understand the game, they are questions someone asks when they want to appear to have no clue what is going on.

There is a difference between trying but missing things, and just being lazy. Node looked like scum but I gave him the benefit of the doubt in-case life got in the way his replacement is trying to use that leniency to skate bye.


Assumption one: That I remember the vote counts from skimming the thread from OUTSIDE the game.

Assumtion two: That I wasn't being lazy when asking for the vote count and somehow 'acting like I don't know what's going on'

Assumtion three: That I can ONLY assume someone was being scumread if they were a lynch contender.

This case is based on the preconceived notion that I am scum and spins everything I say into a sinister light.
And it's on a town player.

scum points for prob
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February 28 2015 18:47 GMT
#1611
On March 01 2015 03:45 Tronak wrote:
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On March 01 2015 03:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
On March 01 2015 03:33 Tronak wrote:
##unvote

##vote Fecalfeast

So to you I am the most likely scum because I haven't dome what you told me to do?

Nice


Most likely because you havent done anything.

Why would I waste the opportunity to be scum be not doing anything?

Why do you assume I'm doing nothing? I have been making reads and interacting in real time with people, if they actually engage me. Just because I don't play like you'd like me to doesn't mean I'm scum.
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February 28 2015 19:02 GMT
#1613
On March 01 2015 03:59 _Tormented_ wrote:
FF what is your read on yamato? Right now we are set to lynch artanis. If he turns up mafia, how does that make yamato look with his artanis pls votes? Does it even mean anything? What about if artanis turns up town?

In my honest opinion, the way artanis changed his read so drastically on yamato (scumming him and then at the drop of a hat:"He doesn't look so bad anymore") I think it looks more like Artanis ran out of steam/reasons to call yamato scum and backed off.

To put it simply: If Artanis flips scum, I think yamato is more likely town based on artanis' actions.
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February 28 2015 19:03 GMT
#1615
Oh you want my read on him now? I haven't dived his filter and have only looked at him in relation to artanis. Let me check.

I actually don't know when deadline is, I will also check that since people in this game see laziness as a scum trait.
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February 28 2015 19:04 GMT
#1616
On March 01 2015 04:03 Snarfs wrote:
FF, what did you come up with on Tormented? In my mind right now this vote should be between Tormented and artanis and you haven't really commented on him yet.

I came up with me going to be at like 11:30pm and sleeping for 11 hours. If I did start filtering him it was in the twilight of exhaustion and I forgot.

I like you better than tormented so I will look at him instead of yamato.
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February 28 2015 19:05 GMT
#1618
On March 01 2015 04:04 Tronak wrote:
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On March 01 2015 03:45 _Tormented_ wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 01 2015 03:33 Tronak wrote:
##unvote

##vote Fecalfeast



Are you not sure on Artanis or just more sure on Nodefeast?


Already explained (top post in this page)

You asking this to Mr. newbie, I lack reading skills. However, I'll try to re-explain... I've been asking for Artamis to give us inputs (other than single tunnel you+some reads when asked for) during days, instead in my opinion he stopped playing as town 72hours ago. However, he based his inactivity on OOG reasons ("I am feeling lazy" "I am tired I've been in Capoira" "Flew"). I got no hurry to lynch him and dont care at all if he is actually lynched tonight, will be happy to do it if he doesnt contribute next night/d3.

FF been in for 36hours after Node was out another 36. He has given 0 inputs to me so far. He hasnt explained his vote on Artanis and Prob's case on him is pretty good + KSC looks sure +Damdred also had him in his list (as well as Artanis) if I remember well.

Look at my comments on prob's case and tell me why I'm wrong, then. His case is speculation on the motivation behind my laziness and that's it.
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February 28 2015 19:23 GMT
#1622
On February 24 2015 11:13 _Tormented_ wrote:
lol fine, here ya go before I have to leave work. Take it for what you will.

Player List
1) Probulous (filter) - town
2) Artanis[Xp] (filter) - town or overly aggressive mafia
3) Half the Sky (filter) - town
4) sicklucker (filter) - town
5) Tronak (filter) - no clue
6) Yamato77 (filter) - mafia
7) _Tormented_ (filter) - town
8) Node (filter) - no clue
9) The Shining (filter) - no clue
10) Eden1892 (filter) - either mafia or he is just being obtuse for no reason
11) WaveofShadow (filter) - no clue
12) Damdred (filter) - town
13) snarfs (filter) - no clue

On February 24 2015 11:17 _Tormented_ wrote:
sorry meant that town for hts and a no clue for sucklucker

This list is just bad. To have so many town reads without any indication of doubt on them (townish, towny, null/town etc) isn't that bad until you look at where this post comes in. PAGE 11. On page 11 this guy has 5 townreads (not counting SL), 2 weak mafia reads (I counted artanis in both here because he is apparently both) and calling yamato77 mafia of all people when his only interaction with yamato is to ask about the fake mayor vote.

2) Artanis[Xp] (filter) - town or overly aggressive mafia
so... you read him as.. town/scum? So null? If artanis flips mafia I would almost call this a thinly veiled warning to artanis that he should calm down. *takes off tinfoil hat* not sure why that would happen in thread rather than scum QT, nvm.

On February 25 2015 07:40 _Tormented_ wrote:
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On February 25 2015 07:33 yamato77 wrote:
I think ksc might be mafia.

I remember him being obstinate as town but not altogether unwilling to participate. He was much more forthcoming in the game I played with him.

I still kinda think tormented is town but it's more up in the air with Artanis being on the lynch as well and the question mark I have for him.


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On February 25 2015 07:34 yamato77 wrote:
Tormented is mafia***

Don't phone post kids


You had it right the first time fyi. Also, I do agree ksc seems to be scrambling to make up for any reads that hts might have given away.

So after listing HTS as town, he suspects kelsier for 'trying to make up for any reads hts might have given away'
I ask: Why would kelsier not look at the reads HTS made and re-evaluate? I think if he kept all the reads the same he would be scummy, not the other way around.

On February 25 2015 12:30 _Tormented_ wrote:
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On February 25 2015 12:29 Probulous wrote:
Eden, why is your vote on tormentor?


he said he wanted an explanation out of me and I said why he seemed mafia at the start. Never took the vote off. shrug

Once eden starts pressuring tormented he starts playing really defensive. Answering for other people^ and generally trying to stop anyone else from talking about him

On February 25 2015 12:39 _Tormented_ wrote:
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1) what about Artanis's behavior made you think he was "trying very hard to seem town"?
2) what about my posting was "obtuse," as you put it before?
3) what about the other 10 people you gave reads on?
4) what about the changes if any on any of those 12 reads?



1.) Just the feeling I got by reading all the different directions he was going in. Now he is either misguided or mafia. He wrote an essay with no real evidence against me and has done pretty much nothing else since to help the town besides get mad at yamato for changing his mind.

2.) You were obtuse because you were just spamming random useless shit with no value. On further observations, you are more than likely town.

3.) I had no other real reads, I just put town as a placeholder. I still think ksc is more scummy than SL in that argument.

4.) damdred is more than likely town as is Prob.


I JUST PUT TOWN AS A PLACEHOLDER?

THEN WHAT DOES "NO CLUE" MEAN?
On February 24 2015 11:17 _Tormented_ wrote:
sorry meant that town for hts and a no clue for sucklucker

On February 24 2015 11:17 _Tormented_ wrote:
sorry meant that town for hts and a no clue for sucklucker

On February 24 2015 11:17 _Tormented_ wrote:
sorry meant that town for hts and a no clue for sucklucker

You obviously did not put town as a placeholder.
On February 24 2015 11:50 _Tormented_ wrote:
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On February 24 2015 11:44 sicklucker wrote:
On February 24 2015 11:13 _Tormented_ wrote:
lol fine, here ya go before I have to leave work. Take it for what you will.

Player List
1) Probulous (filter) - town
2) Artanis[Xp] (filter) - town or overly aggressive mafia
3) Half the Sky (filter) - town
4) sicklucker (filter) - town
5) Tronak (filter) - no clue
6) Yamato77 (filter) - mafia
7) _Tormented_ (filter) - town
8) Node (filter) - no clue
9) The Shining (filter) - no clue
10) Eden1892 (filter) - either mafia or he is just being obtuse for no reason
11) WaveofShadow (filter) - no clue
12) Damdred (filter) - town
13) snarfs (filter) - no clue


I love how im town without posting. Do you just start out everyone as town? because thats not standard so people might get confused. the word is "null"


As I explained I went to mark town for hts and put it on you on accident. Was about to post and saw I had nothing for hts and wrote town. I just find it hilarious how big of a deal people make our of it.

YOU DID NOT PUT TOWN AS A PLACEHOLDER

OK I found a huge lie. I am not finished with tormented's filter but I am going to follow the smoke toward the riff filled land before I continue.
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February 28 2015 19:24 GMT
#1623
On March 01 2015 04:06 Tronak wrote:
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On March 01 2015 04:03 Fecalfeast wrote:
Oh you want my read on him now? I haven't dived his filter and have only looked at him in relation to artanis. Let me check.

I actually don't know when deadline is, I will also check that since people in this game see laziness as a scum trait.


Have you already dived in Artanis filter?

Yep, and since you've been so adamant about a detailed analysis I will no longer be posting an analysis. Feel free to ask questions though!
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February 28 2015 19:48 GMT
#1629
On March 01 2015 04:30 _Tormented_ wrote:
@FF I am new on this site and my d1 is a mess and I know that. I promise you I am town even though my posts are all over the place.

Ok then, while I'm going through the last few pages of your filter, explain the following:

Did you use the word 'town' on your list as a placeholder? (If yes, go to a. If no, go to b)
a. Why did you not tell sicklucker yes when he asked this very question?
b. Why did you tell eden that you did use the word town as a placeholder?
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February 28 2015 20:02 GMT
#1630
On February 25 2015 15:46 _Tormented_ wrote:
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On February 25 2015 15:42 Damdred wrote:
The whole vote doesn't make a ton of sense to me but explain it and I'll reread it when I wake up maybe just to tord to understand.


I already thought snarf was making an effort to be visible, but without actually doing anything. Nord called him out on it and his response was a wall of text trying to justify that Nord was actually mafia instead. I don't buy it. If you think that makes me bad, then so be it.


If this is true I will re-look at snarfs. I must have missed that.

On February 25 2015 15:59 _Tormented_ wrote:
lol whatever, I am not mafia and you will see that, but I see no reason to post again since everything I say apparently gets twisted around to be mafia.


Specifically who was doing this? This is a mafia trait as I said in my response to prob's case on me.

On February 26 2015 08:34 _Tormented_ wrote:
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On February 26 2015 08:32 Probulous wrote:
On February 26 2015 08:28 yamato77 wrote:
On February 26 2015 08:27 Probulous wrote:
On February 26 2015 08:21 yamato77 wrote:
On February 26 2015 08:16 Probulous wrote:
##Vote WaveofShadow

Answer the question.

he's not going to be here

wtf are you doing?

I don't like a Snarfs lynch, he is active trying and willing to be wrong. Artanis is spammy as hell but so are others and he has been pushing his tormented case all game. He is at least active and trying to find scum.

Wave has done absolutely nothing all game despite being asked for it. Many times. He wasn't a lynch target so he just AFKs. Classic scum.

He didn't just AFK, he has a fucking job and a family

dude wtf

Right, sorry man. I'm not trying to be personal. I don't know what his personal circumstances are.

Fact remains though, even without answering my question he has provided nothing to this thread despite saying multiple times he would go away and think about things.



Your logic is sound and my vote on artanis is pretty much a waste anyway.

##Unvote
##Vote Wave

Prob helped sway you onto WoS? Interesting, considering that we know he is town, now.
On February 26 2015 08:36 _Tormented_ wrote:
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On February 26 2015 08:34 KelsierSC wrote:
Tormented don't waste your vote.

please.


lol, get out of my head!!

Also interesting.

On February 26 2015 09:08 KelsierSC wrote:
why the fuck would anyone like tormented after that lynch?

snarf made some bullshit legacy post that offered nothing of interest, which he obviously didn't read properly. and that was enough to make him switch off him ?
yeh , no


I found this when checking tormented in context. This post contradicts things that actually happened. Tormented switched from snarfs onto artanis, not wave. He switched to wave when probulous convinced him, which kelsier was only barely too late to be counted as doing as well.


OKAY so I need to hear tormented's explaination of D1 before I can make a proper read on him. He looks decently towny AFTER the whole town-as-placeholder debacle.

That said, I am now getting a whiff of scum from kelsier's direction. I smelled it from tormented's filter and it needs investigating.
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February 28 2015 20:08 GMT
#1632
On March 01 2015 05:05 KelsierSC wrote:
Yeh you're scum and you weren't even in d1 so your opinion is irrelevant



##unvote
##vote: KelsierSC


Your filter is trash. One-liners, fluff, and insults. You're really good at padding your filter length, bro.
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February 28 2015 20:14 GMT
#1634
You have no reason to call me scum, do you?
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February 28 2015 20:34 GMT
#1636
On March 01 2015 05:34 yamato77 wrote:
Loltanis

##unvote
##Vote: Artanisxp

What do you think of kelly?
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February 28 2015 20:59 GMT
#1639
On March 01 2015 05:52 The Shining wrote:
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On February 28 2015 05:02 Tronak wrote:
Finally this wakes up again. (is very boring for me to spend most of my day time alone despite being 1 of the 3 europeans in the game)

Ok just 2 things, I must leave for a dinner with friends in some minutes:
1-Answering Shining- Shining my reads may be weak (this is my 1st game ever in case you didnt noticed yet: read the thread ), now instead of being fully emotional on your defense, relax and keep defending, no problem.

On February 28 2015 03:50 The Shining wrote:
Tronak good job on that conclusion. Too bad you have no vote up and even said in your post you wouldn't have looked at me for hours if Snarfs hadn't pushed you. If you're happy lynching me as scum team, why aren't you? Man up. What I see is someone soft pushing for a temperature check in the thread and seeing if my lynch will gain traction.


Artanys been in my suspect list before any you even looked at him, I am voting Artanys, I wont change unless he shows me he is town. (Read the thread )

On February 28 2015 04:10 The Shining wrote:
Oh and where did I join the Artanis wagon?

On February 27 2015 12:46 The Shining wrote:
Artanis - scummy


(Read your own posts )

On February 28 2015 03:50 The Shining wrote:
And I was ASKED by FF for that list post, I'm not a fan of those but meh. I saw no reason not to.

And again, read the thread. SL I moved to town. Eden I'm town leaning but I'm really having fun watching her reaction to me being evasive about it. You, I feel can be scum especially after such a horrible post and I saw both scum and town points in your filter. And I don't necessarily read ppl I've never interacted with.


Gotta admit I missed your read changings, you should have updated your list or dont throw spamm in your game. At any case this was a good point for you and a -1 for me. Will be happy to interchange more words with you tomorrow if needed.

2
On February 28 2015 03:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'll be around in like 2.5 hours. Can we have a big party here with everyone then?


I wont be able to be there in 2,5hours ( I wish), neither on 3 or 4, maybe on 5 for a very short time before hitting bed.



So Artanis is set to be lynched right now. What happened to this Tronak that has been suspicious of Artanis "before everyone" except maybe Tormented? He just sheeped a Prob case onto FF(to get off the Artanis mislynch?) after saying he won't change unless Artanis shows he is town.

Has Artanis done this, Tronak?

I like you
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March 01 2015 00:35 GMT
#1738
On March 01 2015 09:23 The Shining wrote:
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On March 01 2015 09:03 yamato77 wrote:
prob/sl/snarfs

pick 2


Snarfs/Prob or more likely Snarfs/FF. FF might have the scum power role, which would explain Artanis not saving himself over FF.

=(
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March 01 2015 21:17 GMT
#1768
So wait, Tronak, your idea is that I bussed artanis? That's what makes me a good vig shot? Calling me a lazy town even though I put in work?

What about the fact that artanis was scumreading me? It would make more sense to call me town for a bullshit reason that looks like TMI when he flips mafia. Or was this also a bus? What a good mafia plan.
On March 01 2015 08:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
KelsierSC - No reason for him to defend me at this point. It's highly unlikely I won't get lynched, plus the effort he's put in this game in general and his unwillingness to go for the easy mislynch makes it extremely unlikely to be scum.
Eden1892 - Has had a terrible day, but he's probably still town for the depth of his analysis on D1.
Tronak - Shenannies from me onto Fecal feels town. I think he genuinely thinks I'm mafia, and he's actively questioning everything to the point of me thinking it's impossible he's thinking up all these things as mafia.
The Shining - Similar reasons to Kelsier, but his lack of conviction in what he's trying might mean that he's simply trying to look good post flip.
Probulous - Has been pretty absent during the day, but the fact that he went for Fecal over me and didn't give in on the easy Artanis train gives him significant credit.
Yamato77 - I still think he's town, maybe? His EoD during D1 had a lot of conviction, but it's flowed away a bit again since then so meh. I also don't understand the evolution of his read on me at all today.
Snarfs - Snarfs is actually completely null to me right now. He seemed eager to actually engage me, is asking a lot of questions and in general his play has been good, but plenty of question marks from the early game still remain.
sicklucker - Has been pretty flipfloppy on me today. Don't know why he thinks I'm mafia.
FecalFeast - Seems more interested in painting everything as scummy than finding out who's actually scummy. For some reason suspects Tormented and me at the same time, then suddenly swaps onto Kelsier who has no chance of flipping. Trying to abdicate responsibility for his votes.
_Tormented_ - My filter should say enough about him.

Sorry for the poor performance, GL town.


IDK, I just don't think vig should waste a shot shooting into someone who has NO REAL SCUM CASE ON HIM. Unless someone can show me how prob's case is based on real life and not speculation and assumption, the only reasons for calling me scum I have seen are: "He is lazy" and "I read node as scum"

I hate people trying to call the vig's shot.
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March 01 2015 21:54 GMT
#1773
On March 02 2015 06:45 Tronak wrote:
Moreover, wtf... I actually posted ALL Artanys reads yesterday night before EOD. Did you actually missed that too FF?

you want me play Artanys last-post game?

I want you dead tonight, and if not i want you lynched on D3. Clear as water.

To me you are saying:

"I want a town player to die"

Do you wonder why I gloss over your posts? You act like a disgruntled schoolteacher
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March 01 2015 21:56 GMT
#1774
Why am I mafia? What makes me a better kill than everyone else in the game? What have I done that pushes a mafia agenda?
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March 01 2015 22:03 GMT
#1776
To be honest, if you want to know about how laziness relates to my alignment, ask sicklucker. He has a pretty good handle on how I play, even if he downplays my usefulness.
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March 01 2015 22:07 GMT
#1777
On March 02 2015 07:02 Tronak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 06:54 Fecalfeast wrote:
On March 02 2015 06:45 Tronak wrote:
Moreover, wtf... I actually posted ALL Artanys reads yesterday night before EOD. Did you actually missed that too FF?

you want me play Artanys last-post game?

I want you dead tonight, and if not i want you lynched on D3. Clear as water.

To me you are saying:

"I want a town player to die"

Do you wonder why I gloss over your posts? You act like a disgruntled schoolteacher


No, I actually I wonder why:
- you refused to read the thread and just jump in filters.
- you chosed to jump in Artanis filter after Snarfs and others filters.
- you chosed to analyze Tormented.
- you voted Artanis.
- you refused to analyze Artanis and give us your feedback.
- you just tried to trick me bringing up Artanis last post.
- you lied while trying to trick me.

Mmm let me correct my self: I dont wonder anymore.

-Reading the thread after already reading it from an outsider's persepective is boring. Filters allow me to get reads on people.
-Artanis was a topic of discussion at the time
-Artanis asked me to, bear in mind at this point he was not confirmed scum.
-I got scummy feelings from his filter and was partially sheeping eden
-I refused to give you a detailed analysis on his filter as you have been really getting on my nerves this game. I even told you to ask me questions which you did not do.
-Explain the trick I pulled as I did not intend to do anything of the sort.
-Also explain
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March 01 2015 22:41 GMT
#1780
On March 02 2015 07:22 Tronak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 07:07 Fecalfeast wrote:
On March 02 2015 07:02 Tronak wrote:
On March 02 2015 06:54 Fecalfeast wrote:
On March 02 2015 06:45 Tronak wrote:
Moreover, wtf... I actually posted ALL Artanys reads yesterday night before EOD. Did you actually missed that too FF?

you want me play Artanys last-post game?

I want you dead tonight, and if not i want you lynched on D3. Clear as water.

To me you are saying:

"I want a town player to die"

Do you wonder why I gloss over your posts? You act like a disgruntled schoolteacher


No, I actually I wonder why:
- you refused to read the thread and just jump in filters.
- you chosed to jump in Artanis filter after Snarfs and others filters.
- you chosed to analyze Tormented.
- you voted Artanis.
- you refused to analyze Artanis and give us your feedback.
- you just tried to trick me bringing up Artanis last post.
- you lied while trying to trick me.

Mmm let me correct my self: I dont wonder anymore.

-Reading the thread after already reading it from an outsider's persepective is boring. Filters allow me to get reads on people.
-Artanis was a topic of discussion at the time
-Artanis asked me to, bear in mind at this point he was not confirmed scum.
-I got scummy feelings from his filter and was partially sheeping eden
-I refused to give you a detailed analysis on his filter as you have been really getting on my nerves this game. I even told you to ask me questions which you did not do.
-Explain the trick I pulled as I did not intend to do anything of the sort.
-Also explain


-I would have done as replacement.
-I was meaning why didnt you chosed him first since he had 4-5 voted already on him? Instead you wasted your lazy time in other filters.
-So you come into a game. A player has 5 votes on him. He asks you to read Tormented's filter (can you quote that? I cant remember Artanis asking you to do that) and you go and follow it before actually giving an analysis about Artanis.

Show nested quote +
On March 01 2015 04:06 Tronak wrote:
On March 01 2015 04:03 Fecalfeast wrote:
Oh you want my read on him now? I haven't dived his filter and have only looked at him in relation to artanis. Let me check.

I actually don't know when deadline is, I will also check that since people in this game see laziness as a scum trait.


Have you already dived in Artanis filter?


-Ok so you sheeped (or buss)

"- you just tried to trick me bringing up Artanis last post." What exactly do you want me to explain about this sentence. The trick you pulled was saying that Artanis was reading scummy. Lol, Artanis NEVER read you scummy (here is your lie) until his last post (exactly 2 mins before being lynched). And you quote that post trying us to play Artanis game.

Enough of your bullshit, if you want to make something usefull focus on the cases we got opened at the moment (and if you dont know them go read previous pages instead of bugging me).

Part of me hopes I do get vig'd so you understand that not everyone has to play in the way that you want them to in order to be town. If I seemed deceptive in quoting artanis' list post, it was unintentionally.
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March 01 2015 22:56 GMT
#1783
On March 02 2015 07:52 Tronak wrote:
You got 2 hours to show us the other part of you.

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March 01 2015 22:58 GMT
#1784
KelsierSC was just temp banned for 1 week by JBright.

That account was created on 2013-03-26 12:36:11 and had 6057 posts.

Reason: Don't post in the Protoss help me thread if you're just going to whine.


So uhh, I imagine that means he's out?
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March 01 2015 23:01 GMT
#1785
On March 02 2015 08:00 The_Templar wrote:
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On March 02 2015 07:59 Fecalfeast wrote:
KelsierSC was just temp banned for 1 week by JBright.

That account was created on 2013-03-26 12:36:11 and had 6057 posts.

Reason: Don't post in the Protoss help me thread if you're just going to whine.


Just for clarification, TL bans include TLmafia, right?

Can't post in mafia forums while banned, correct.
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March 02 2015 00:11 GMT
#1805
Eden, talk to me about tronak. I am with you on yamato
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March 02 2015 00:15 GMT
#1812
On March 02 2015 09:08 Tronak wrote:
##vote Fecalfeast

##vote tronak


Eden whenever you need my sword, I will ride for you! For now, however, I feel the need to omgus a little here
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March 02 2015 00:16 GMT
#1813
On March 02 2015 09:14 Onegu wrote:
Here I am I am unfortunately not scum. So can one of the vets tell me who is scum? Thanks. Will read some filters later as long as they aren't 20 pages long. But mostly I will be making gut reads as they work the best for me.

If you could be less abrasive than kelsier that'd be swell. I thought kelsier was scum but I'm not a vet so I'll let you decide who to listen to.
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March 02 2015 00:27 GMT
#1817
On March 02 2015 09:24 _Tormented_ wrote:
Right now I am split between either Prob/FF and Eden/Yamato as my final two mafia.

Can you explain how eden/yamato makes any sense at all considering how artanis flipped?
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March 02 2015 00:28 GMT
#1818
OHhhh I think I get it. You mean one of prob/me teamed with one of eden/yamato
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March 02 2015 00:31 GMT
#1821
Hahahah onegu, I replaced you in [active game] and now you replace into this game that I have also replaced into.

Why are so many people replacing recently?
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March 02 2015 00:33 GMT
#1823
Shining, I saw that you took notice to tronak's very easy jump onto me from artanis after probulous posted his lame case. How do you currently read tronak?
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March 02 2015 00:45 GMT
#1831
On March 02 2015 09:39 _Tormented_ wrote:
Well, I think Prob could be scummy for the way he hard pushed town players in Damdred and Wave. Then hard pushed FF and claimed Artanis was town. Besides from that, he hasn't really done anything at all. Granted, if he was scum, he would of known that snarf and wave were both town. That would make me wonder what motive he would have for pushing to lynch wave instead.

Node obviously dropped in and hard pushed snarf and then left. FF took over and has been very active and voted for artanis, but he has been kind of all over the place. Like this post for instance.
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 01 2015 04:02 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2015 03:59 _Tormented_ wrote:
FF what is your read on yamato? Right now we are set to lynch artanis. If he turns up mafia, how does that make yamato look with his artanis pls votes? Does it even mean anything? What about if artanis turns up town?

In my honest opinion, the way artanis changed his read so drastically on yamato (scumming him and then at the drop of a hat:"He doesn't look so bad anymore") I think it looks more like Artanis ran out of steam/reasons to call yamato scum and backed off.

To put it simply: If Artanis flips scum, I think yamato is more likely town based on artanis' actions.


Now he is all for lynching yamato even though he said that yamato is more than likely town after artanis flipped scum.

I am all for sheeping eden since he is who I remember pushing artanis the most. I am still not 100% confident in my own reads this game so I'd rather defer to a person who has been correct thusfar on their main read.

To quote myself from another town game where I made conflicting reads:
On February 18 2015 07:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2015 07:15 Alakaslam wrote:
On February 18 2015 06:00 Superbia wrote:
Slam! What are your thoughts on the game so far?

I still think HTS case on FF is good, due to Palmar clarification

I am town, slam, please hear my plea every time I look at the thread it is a new experience. I often refer to myself as being similar to a goldfish in memory.


lol which also leads me to this bullshit:
On February 18 2015 07:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
HtS can I start making you promise to do stuff if I flip town?

If I flip town, you have to post a screenshot of your role PM (scum QT blocked out, I just want you to be modkilled, not end the game)

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March 02 2015 00:46 GMT
#1832
On March 02 2015 09:39 The Shining wrote:
As for where I'm at, I'm pretty convinced the refusals to play has at least 1 scum in it. Yamato and Kelsier.

Yamato did absolutely nothing to help himself or town D2 leading up to EoD, then slaps a vote on Artanis. The interaction between them early seems odd after Artie's flip, too. If yamato doesn't show up today and actively play and help town, he is my choice for scum.

Kels was a replacement that has been replaced and hid behind the excuse of a D2 replacement being his reasoning for not playing. I find that very weak and a cop out, as a even a newbie like me has dealt with a D2 and D3 replacement in the same slot and worked through it.

I'm lynching either yamato or Kelsier slot depending on actions today and my rereads tonight.

On March 02 2015 09:33 Fecalfeast wrote:
Shining, I saw that you took notice to tronak's very easy jump onto me from artanis after probulous posted his lame case. How do you currently read tronak?

Could you answer me about tronak please? I agree on kelsier's slot wholeheartedly
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March 02 2015 01:04 GMT
#1836
On March 02 2015 09:58 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 09:33 Fecalfeast wrote:
Shining, I saw that you took notice to tronak's very easy jump onto me from artanis after probulous posted his lame case. How do you currently read tronak?


I'm reading Tronak as town, especially after reflecting on his filter and his very early interactions with Artanis D1 regarding his case on Tormented. If he's scum, I don't see him talking his scum partner out of a mislynch in Tormented in the thread, when at the time a few others were also scumming Tormented.

One thing I've noticed(from experience,I'm guilty of this too) is that suggestive cases like Probs on you can be hard to look at objectively sometimes and can sway a "newbie" a little more easily than a "vet". I had my own reasons for voting you and I honestly don't like Probulous right now but rereading that point in the thread, a scumProb could easily post that case to try and stop the Artanis wagon and misguided town Tronak could follow it.

But there's too much unflipped association there for me to run with that too far. Feel free to comment on thoughts about that.

I can buy that. In fact I'd pay full price.

That adds to my suspicion of prob and I've not even read his filter thoroughly yet. Guess I have something to do!
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March 02 2015 01:55 GMT
#1841

KelsierSC was just temp banned for 2 days by Plexa.

That account was created on 2013-03-26 12:36:11 and had 6057 posts.

Reason: Reduced.


Oooh, maybe if this keeps happening we'll replace the replaced replacement with the replacement that replaced in the first place.
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March 02 2015 01:56 GMT
#1842
On March 02 2015 10:35 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 09:11 Fecalfeast wrote:
Eden, talk to me about tronak. I am with you on yamato

Look at how hard this guy started balling d2 when there was basically nothing going on in the thread. He was a question mark among several question marks to start the day and then he tried pretty hard (imo) to figure out the game throughout the day. His 4th pg of his filter onward is all really good to me (it's about when d2 starts). I don't have time to post specifics cuz MTG in a bit but I think if you read it you'll see what I mean

Yeah, I guess it makes sense for him to be town if I look at his filter without the scum-coloured glasses. OMGUS aborted.

##unvote
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March 02 2015 02:31 GMT
#1844
On March 02 2015 11:07 Eden1892 wrote:
Thoughtseize: Best card or greatest card?

I turned a matchup that I always struggle with (my Abzan vs GR Devotion) into a rout. I've owned a playset of Gameseize for 3 hrs and it's already stolen me 3 games

I'm not 100% up to date with standard but if they reprinted thoughtseize I don't have to even look at the t1 decks to know it's a mainstay in any deck with black.

Do you play EDH at all?
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March 02 2015 03:01 GMT
#1847
On March 02 2015 11:53 yamato77 wrote:
/headdesk

Who is mafia?
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March 02 2015 03:17 GMT
#1850
On March 02 2015 12:00 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 11:31 Fecalfeast wrote:
On March 02 2015 11:07 Eden1892 wrote:
Thoughtseize: Best card or greatest card?

I turned a matchup that I always struggle with (my Abzan vs GR Devotion) into a rout. I've owned a playset of Gameseize for 3 hrs and it's already stolen me 3 games

I'm not 100% up to date with standard but if they reprinted thoughtseize I don't have to even look at the t1 decks to know it's a mainstay in any deck with black.

Do you play EDH at all?

literally playing my first edh game right now

power level is too high for me to deal

Either you witnessed a lucky-as-fuck turn one play or you are learning why there are so many differently named board-wipes.

Basically, now that this turn 1 happened in real life, all of my friends and I have this combo in every possible EDH deck
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sol ring
lightning greaves
Mox Opal
serra ascendant
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March 02 2015 03:22 GMT
#1852
On March 02 2015 12:19 The Shining wrote:
Yo, FF, Eden. No disrespect but there are so many other places you can have this conversation.

Why hell are you two fluffing/spamming up the thread?

-1

Why are all these newbies so serious?
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March 02 2015 03:42 GMT
#1861
On March 02 2015 12:27 Eden1892 wrote:
also the odds of that happening are approximately 1.7*10^-7, not worried about that and building a deck around that is bad

Well, since it makes the shining upset I may as well comment.

Unless you're not running any creatures(serra ascendant and lightning greaves) those are all solid EDH cards on their own.
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March 02 2015 03:50 GMT
#1864
I'm flip-flopping on tormented. His D1 looks bad, his D2 looks ok and the in-between is a crapshoot. Part of me is saying "bad scum getting help from scum QT" while the other part of me is saying "confused town establishing his bearings"
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March 02 2015 03:51 GMT
#1865
On March 02 2015 12:45 The Shining wrote:
And I haven't played since 8th Edition was a new thing so there really is no way I could jump into your MTG Convo, even if I want to.

FF, upset is such a strong word. Discouraging me from posting due to not having anything to say about MTG would be more accurate.

That is a valid concern I hadn't thought of. I don't want to discourage you from posting
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March 02 2015 04:12 GMT
#1867
On March 02 2015 13:05 _Tormented_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 12:50 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm flip-flopping on tormented. His D1 looks bad, his D2 looks ok and the in-between is a crapshoot. Part of me is saying "bad scum getting help from scum QT" while the other part of me is saying "confused town establishing his bearings"



Fair enough, but what about my posts makes me confused? Do you believe I have misread someone or is this just a way to discredit me?

Nope, I'm only giving my read on you, which is based on your tone. Or atleast how I perceive your tone. Your D1 is just so different from the rest, which is not alignment indicative persay but it makes me overthink possible reasons for your change in posting.

I did not intentionally imply that your reads are better or worse because of my read on you.
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March 02 2015 06:52 GMT
#1892
##unvote

##vote probulous


Glad to have you playing yamato
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March 02 2015 21:03 GMT
#1925
Tronak, I can't be bothered to defend myself against you anymore. Continue reading me scum, if you want, but how about we make reads on other people? Just be sure to lynch me before lylo so mafia doesn't keep you and me for a final 3.

Tronak how do you read probulous? Without mentioning me or my alignment if possible.
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March 02 2015 22:20 GMT
#1927
You did ask me a question, I guess I forgot. Oops.
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March 02 2015 23:03 GMT
#1931
On March 03 2015 08:01 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 14:08 Eden1892 wrote:
On March 02 2015 12:43 The Shining wrote:
On March 02 2015 08:58 Eden1892 wrote:
ugh no time to catch up before I die

if I die:
- lynch yamato
- make Kelsier and Probulous bleed town like they did when they were active later in d1
- figure out Tormented
- don't lynch Snarfs, Shining, Tronak, sicklucker and PROBABLY not Fecalfeast UNLESS you'd otherwise lynch into the no-lynch list


OK then Eden. We lynch yamato, I'm pretty onboard with that tbh, have been for a bit.

Kels and Prob. Kels is no longer playing, do you intend on judging the slot off of Kelsier's large but fluffed filter or Onegu?
Probulous is still MIA, thoughts on what I implied about his case on FF?

Tormented - with his few posts at Day Start, any change in read?

Pretty much onboard with your don't Lynch list, too, with the exception of FF for reasons I've mentioned before. But he is lower on the list than he was when I voted him.

I'm judging the Kelskynegu slot on all 3 players' efforts put together. I'd probably give the bulk of the analysis to Kelsier for pretty obvious reasons, but I'm secretly hoping Onegu will spew glorious townie vibes so I can call the slot town and coast

I don't know what I think about what you said about Probulous's case on FF because I didn't read Probulous's case on FF enough to remember it well enough to evaluate your comment about it. (I remember it happening so I must have read it, but I definitely didn't pay any attention to it.) I will however go back and read it and assess your comments from there. If you're saying his case didn't have to come from town, I'm open to him being mafia, so I'm predisposed to agree

Not really any change in read on Tormented. Confession, I was kinda hoping I would die and y'all would figure him out instead. I can't tell if his paranoia about me is genuine or not; if he weren't a newer player I would think it's manufactured, because I think I should be pretty obviously town by now, but he's attacking basically all the lines of argument I would expect from a paranoid newer townie ("you never live to d3 and yet here you are" comes to mind in particular).

If I had to change that list I would flip Fecalfeast and sicklucker's spots on it. Actually...

sicklucker, were you roleblocked last night?




Yeah here, why ask SL in particular?


I often ping people for answering for others but I'm bored.

SL asked who was roleblocked right away, I imagine eden thinks he was fishing for a counterclaim?
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March 02 2015 23:10 GMT
#1933
On March 03 2015 08:08 _Tormented_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2015 08:03 Fecalfeast wrote:
On March 03 2015 08:01 Onegu wrote:
On March 02 2015 14:08 Eden1892 wrote:
On March 02 2015 12:43 The Shining wrote:
On March 02 2015 08:58 Eden1892 wrote:
ugh no time to catch up before I die

if I die:
- lynch yamato
- make Kelsier and Probulous bleed town like they did when they were active later in d1
- figure out Tormented
- don't lynch Snarfs, Shining, Tronak, sicklucker and PROBABLY not Fecalfeast UNLESS you'd otherwise lynch into the no-lynch list


OK then Eden. We lynch yamato, I'm pretty onboard with that tbh, have been for a bit.

Kels and Prob. Kels is no longer playing, do you intend on judging the slot off of Kelsier's large but fluffed filter or Onegu?
Probulous is still MIA, thoughts on what I implied about his case on FF?

Tormented - with his few posts at Day Start, any change in read?

Pretty much onboard with your don't Lynch list, too, with the exception of FF for reasons I've mentioned before. But he is lower on the list than he was when I voted him.

I'm judging the Kelskynegu slot on all 3 players' efforts put together. I'd probably give the bulk of the analysis to Kelsier for pretty obvious reasons, but I'm secretly hoping Onegu will spew glorious townie vibes so I can call the slot town and coast

I don't know what I think about what you said about Probulous's case on FF because I didn't read Probulous's case on FF enough to remember it well enough to evaluate your comment about it. (I remember it happening so I must have read it, but I definitely didn't pay any attention to it.) I will however go back and read it and assess your comments from there. If you're saying his case didn't have to come from town, I'm open to him being mafia, so I'm predisposed to agree

Not really any change in read on Tormented. Confession, I was kinda hoping I would die and y'all would figure him out instead. I can't tell if his paranoia about me is genuine or not; if he weren't a newer player I would think it's manufactured, because I think I should be pretty obviously town by now, but he's attacking basically all the lines of argument I would expect from a paranoid newer townie ("you never live to d3 and yet here you are" comes to mind in particular).

If I had to change that list I would flip Fecalfeast and sicklucker's spots on it. Actually...

sicklucker, were you roleblocked last night?




Yeah here, why ask SL in particular?


I often ping people for answering for others but I'm bored.

SL asked who was roleblocked right away, I imagine eden thinks he was fishing for a counterclaim?


That isn't true, SL said at the end of N1 that he had some information to share, he eventually said he was roleblocked. If you believe him, it just means the mafia roleblocked targetted him. Doesn't mean he has a role. I guess Eden was asking if he was roleblocked again, but I believe SL said earlier in the thread that he wasn't. He even asked if anyone was roleblocked.

The bolded is literally what I said.
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#1935
I get you. nvm. I'm reading things from you in a weird tone I guess.
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#1938
yep
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#1945
On March 03 2015 09:42 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2015 09:30 Eden1892 wrote:
in fact i'd say it's pretty useful to be able to bluehunt as town b/c it increases your ability to evaluate role claims and read people who are "trying to be scummy so they won't be nightkilled"

yeah but you don't do it in the thread

dingdingdingdingding
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#1954
On March 03 2015 16:11 Tronak wrote:
Good morning from this side of the world, sun shining here today.

Ok, so Probulous will be lynched, not going to disagree on that unless he shows up and reverses by himself the situation. I gonna leave my vote on FF for the record though since I am still convinced he is mafia, he could be mafia with Artanis and he can be mafia with Prob.

And for the record again: I wont be here at the end of N3 (last hour), and first 22hours of D4 (got a business trip that will keep me pretty busy and without proper internet connection most of the time).


Tronak
Tunnels
Towny,
Terribly
Toxic
To
Town
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March 03 2015 23:09 GMT
#1974
On March 04 2015 08:07 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2015 08:02 sicklucker wrote:
Your a shitty deputy then. Jk like if hes a pr nothing we can do but blame him postgame

yes there is
we have the blues claim and if there are 0-1 claims then we lynch someone else
if we get 2 (or 2+ lmao) claims then we just lynch him

I am here and do not claim, for the record
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March 03 2015 23:35 GMT
#1978
On March 04 2015 08:33 Probulous wrote:
Hi guys. Really sorry about my absence. I'm just seriously busy.

I can't stay long and haven't read up on the thread. I'm not a blue, just a regular VT. Mis-lynching today is not the end of the world.

##Vote FecalFeast


Hahahahahahahahahaha

That's it? Ok. Hey tronak if you're gonna get everyone to switch onto me do it now so we don't go into lylo together!
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March 04 2015 00:05 GMT
#1984
UUUUnnnnnggggghhhhhhhhh

Call me mafia now tronak.

CALL ME MAFIA NOW
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March 04 2015 00:22 GMT
#1987
On March 04 2015 09:20 _Tormented_ wrote:
I am the Cop with the Roleblocker's death, I have no further night actions.

checks?
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#1989
ok cool. Good choice not outing your red check right way
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#1997
Hahaha well we better hope there's a medic because mafia knows the setup
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March 04 2015 00:33 GMT
#1998
On March 04 2015 09:31 Eden1892 wrote:
OH
GODFATHER LOL
Oh well works 4 me I guess

Yeah if there's a medic we actually get 2 confirmed town this way. If there's a vet he stays the fuck quiet unless he's about to be lynched
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#2000
On March 04 2015 09:33 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2015 09:31 Eden1892 wrote:
OH
GODFATHER LOL
Oh well works 4 me I guess

Yeah if there's a medic we actually get 2 confirmed town this way. If there's a vet he stays the fuck quiet unless he's about to be lynched

EBWOP: 2 confirmed town as in: 1 dead town and tormented as the un cc cop
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#2006
On March 04 2015 10:18 sicklucker wrote:
So to explain to the newer players. Since roleblock is missing that means mafia did it on the person they nked. Because if you roleblock and kill a person then the veteran powers do not work.

So thats how I know its a vet/cop setup

Oh damn. That does make sense.
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March 04 2015 01:53 GMT
#2014
I debunked his case as a thinly veiled attempt to turn everything I say into scum.

I also will kill halfkelsnegu
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#2016
I can elaborate on sicklucker's thinking.

Most commonly on teamliquid, the target of a roleblock is notified that they were roleblocked with the day post via PM. Since the cop is outed and nobody has come forward to say they were roleblocked, sicklucker is (rightfully) assuming that mafia have been roleblocking their nightkills. Since we know already that scum knows the setup 100% we can assume there is no medic since scum is trying to roleblock the veteran's armour
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#2019
On March 04 2015 10:58 yamato77 wrote:
It's also possible Prob just didn't send night actions.

True enough but I've not seen a game where his teammates couldn't do it for him.
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#2024
That'd be fun, lynching tronak.
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#2028
On March 04 2015 17:24 Onegu wrote:
Ok yeah I will make my shining case in the morning just finished the filter and really believe that's your final mafia right there. You can thank me for solving the game tomorrow.

I'm excited.
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March 04 2015 19:22 GMT
#2036
I like that case tronak
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#2040
On March 05 2015 08:28 Eden1892 wrote:
if i die, lynch onegu and sicklucker in order and win

I complain about being town too often but if sicklucker is red he's probably just as pissed about rolling mafia so often.


Regardless, your will be done my liege
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March 05 2015 01:30 GMT
#2049
I want to see onegu's bombshell case but for now:

##vote onegu

I swear to god if his case is on me I'm gonna laugh
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#2059
On March 06 2015 08:35 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2015 19:26 Onegu wrote:
And don't worry you will get the case before EOD I promise. Other than that I don't have any reads for you other than Yamato obv town. And tormented uber townie also.


You mean our Cop is uber townie? Wtf, why would you bother reading an unCCd blue role? Or did you miss that and that's why you killed Eden instead of Tormented?

And if you're going to tunnel on me, and you do flip town, I really hope you feel like shit for buying into the easy lynchbait and throwing the game when I flip town at lylo. Its already ridiculously obvious that scum is setting me up for the mislynch so I'll be alive until endgame. Yay me.

Fuck it, just lynch me today and save me the trouble of trying to save this stupid town. I have a case and don't even want to finish it anymore. Yamato thinks it could be me. Tronak thinks Onegu is scum but can't wait to see his case on me. Onegu is casing me. That leaves SL and Tormented.

If either one of you want to vote me, let me know and I'll drop my vote so I can go instead of Onegu. Then you tards can mislynch Onegu and throw the game.

Have fun. Later.

Lool wtf is this post? Nobody is on onegu's side here. You make a good point about the cop not dying and his cluelessness in that post but the rest of it is whining for no reason...
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#2067
On March 04 2015 03:32 yamato77 wrote:
So, people think shining is town, I'm still unconvinced.

I've been reasonably sure that FF/Onegu/Tronak were town but we'll reconsider in the night phase.

No reason to lose because I overlooked someone.

On March 05 2015 08:28 Eden1892 wrote:
if i die, lynch onegu and sicklucker in order and win

On March 04 2015 08:27 yamato77 wrote:
No one listen to Eden, he's throwing.



On March 05 2015 19:18 yamato77 wrote:
well onegu

if you're mafia I would just concede

##Vote: Onegu



If onegu is town i think it's yamato. No resistance to an onegu lynch? wut?
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#2070
On February 26 2015 08:58 Blazinghand wrote:
Vote Count


WaveofShadow (7): Eden1892, Probulous, Damdred, _Tormented_, Tronak, snarfs, The Shining
Snarfs (5): Node, Yamato77, WaveofShadow, Artanis[Xp], KelsierSC
KelsierSC (1): sicklucker

Not Voting (0):

Currently, WaveofShadow is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in at 00:00 GMT (+00:00).

Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain.

On March 01 2015 08:33 rsoultin wrote:
Vote Count


Artanis[Xp] (6): Eden1892, _Tormented_, Snarfs, sicklucker, Yamato77, Tronak
fecalfeast (3): KelsierSC, Probulous, The Shining
_Tormented_ (1): Artanis[Xp]
KelsierSC (1): fecalfeast

Not Voting (0):

Currently, Artanis[Xp] is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in at 00:00 GMT (+00:00).

Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain.

On March 04 2015 08:48 rsoultin wrote:
Vote Count


Probulous (7): Fecalfeast, The Shining, Eden1892, _Tormented_, Yamato77, sicklucker, Onegu
Fecalfeast (2): Tronak, Probulous

Not Voting (0):

Currently, Probulous is set to be lynched. Day 3 ends in at 00:00 GMT (+00:00).

Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain.


kelsier and artanis voted for the same person D1, kelsier and probulous voted together D2, D3 onegu votes probulous but the only vote not on probulous is tronak.

Meanwhile yamato voted both mafia. I take back my last post and will look for into the votes in a bit
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#2072
On March 06 2015 11:21 The Shining wrote:
Fwiw, the case I hinted at is on Tronak.

dope
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#2077
On March 06 2015 15:00 yamato77 wrote:
hm.

##unvote

can you tell me why you changed your mind on onegu?
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March 06 2015 10:12 GMT
#2080
On March 06 2015 18:53 Onegu wrote:
Btw there is no way in hell Yamato is final scum. Scum Yamato doesn't play the game let alone lead bussing wagons. It doesn't happen. FF you will not ever vote Yamato

I already said i take that back in my vote colouring post
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#2081
ok onegu and why does the shining vote the roleblocker D3? Can you give me an analysis of his D3 specifically?
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March 06 2015 20:13 GMT
#2088
I don't know how I feel about this
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March 06 2015 23:11 GMT
#2099
yamato are you sure?
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#2100
You never answered my questions
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March 06 2015 23:18 GMT
#2102
On March 07 2015 08:17 The Shining wrote:
Yeah.

##Vote: Tronak

No way I'm getting my case out before EoD. I don't expect anyone to sheep me either. But I really don't think that Onegu case comes from scum. And he's got 4 votes without mine, I could hammer him to save myself but he seems about as worried as I do about being lynched. And I'm not worried at all lol lynching me helps town get rid of lylo lynchbait, since the two wagons are both town IMO.

post what you have lol wtf
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March 07 2015 00:00 GMT
#2113
##unvote
##vote: the shining

Not buying it
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March 07 2015 00:00 GMT
#2116
I guess it wont make a difference
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#2117
Lame I forgot about deadline
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#2120
sorry BH I didn't realize it was now, I thought I had an hour
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#2123
On March 07 2015 09:06 The Shining wrote:
Damn it, I really wanted to be lynched today. I even wasted my vote to make it possible.

Good news is, there's 6 of us. NK of either Yamato or Tormented. Tomorrow, I get mislynched, flip VT. Whoever doesn't die tonight dies for that NK. Your lylo is looking like Tronak, Sicklucker, Fecalfeast.

dude that would be awesome SL hates final 3
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March 08 2015 01:27 GMT
#2137
##vote the shining
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March 09 2015 10:15 GMT
#2153
On March 09 2015 19:05 yamato77 wrote:
right now, I think this is something approximating my thoughts on the game:

tronak
fecal
sick
shining

but really, my only good townread is you, tronak

FF I thought was town because of node, but I could have been wrong.

SL is a fucking question mark. I still think his softing blue was worth lynching him over but it's a bit late for that sort of thing now

Shining I have thought was mafia since I made those reads, but honestly there is a certain amount of doubt that comes with this sort of thing. I wish we could have lynched him yesterday instead of Onegu but I wasn't early enough with the switch

we still have a role in the game. I suppose if that person gets to lylo it's a good claim to get it to 50/50 odds but it's probably not worth claiming before

most other people thought i was scum because of node.. Why the difference?
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March 09 2015 21:14 GMT
#2165
I'm here now.
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March 09 2015 22:15 GMT
#2175
On March 10 2015 06:52 Blazinghand wrote:
Reminder, Day 5 is exactly 48 hours long. For those of you who might be dealing with odd time zone issues due to DST, Day 5 ends exactly 48 hours after it began, or roughly 2 hours from this post.

*walks to corner of shame*
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March 09 2015 22:38 GMT
#2179
On March 10 2015 07:14 yamato77 wrote:
kinda have to lynch him

if he's town though this game will be hard

If he's town I'm lynching sicklucker
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March 09 2015 22:52 GMT
#2183
Jokes are hard to convey online
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March 09 2015 22:53 GMT
#2184
I said that because it literally happens every final 3
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#2187
Well you're not wrong about the spoiler. This just seems weird though. Do you not think shining is the last scum? Yeah yeah final 3 is lame or whatever but if we kill scum here we win and there is no final 3..
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#2190
You know I'd love to kill you SL but regardless of my activity/interest this game I do still like to win.
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March 10 2015 00:01 GMT
#2194
hm.
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#2195
tronak it is I guess
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March 10 2015 00:22 GMT
#2199
i don't think sicklucker is mafia
i don't think yamato77 is mafia
I'm not mafia

Need I go on?
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March 10 2015 01:40 GMT
#2201
On March 10 2015 10:32 sicklucker wrote:
AGFHFDFGH GOD NO GOD

hahahahahahahahahahaha
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March 10 2015 04:25 GMT
#2203
did you ever answer me yamato?
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#2205
On March 06 2015 10:48 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2015 03:32 yamato77 wrote:
So, people think shining is town, I'm still unconvinced.

I've been reasonably sure that FF/Onegu/Tronak were town but we'll reconsider in the night phase.

No reason to lose because I overlooked someone.

Show nested quote +
On March 05 2015 08:28 Eden1892 wrote:
if i die, lynch onegu and sicklucker in order and win

Show nested quote +
On March 04 2015 08:27 yamato77 wrote:
No one listen to Eden, he's throwing.



Show nested quote +
On March 05 2015 19:18 yamato77 wrote:
well onegu

if you're mafia I would just concede

##Vote: Onegu



If onegu is town i think it's yamato. No resistance to an onegu lynch? wut?

On March 06 2015 17:01 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2015 15:00 yamato77 wrote:
hm.

##unvote

can you tell me why you changed your mind on onegu?

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#2208
Does anything matter?
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#2209
At this point it's nothing, which is why I stopped pushing it. I was legitimately asking if you ever answered me because I didn't remember
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#2210
sicklucker actually would have rather lost yesterday than lose again in final 3. I can guarantee that
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#2213
Yeah I'm not sure anymore. I'm back on the sicklucker wagon
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#2240
man if I ever roll scum again I hope I get godfather so I can be the godFFather.

Tronak if this is really your first game and you got scum I'm gonna be so hype
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March 10 2015 21:21 GMT
#2241
as in, there's no way this is your first game and you've played scum this well. This game is too hard
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#2245
On March 11 2015 10:26 sicklucker wrote:
Well no lynch sounds like a waste of time. Mafia wanted a no kill here he just shot me or didnt submit a kill. If we sleep it will repeat

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=...and_they_all_lived_happily_ever_after
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#2246
On March 11 2015 10:17 yamato77 wrote:
The correct play is no lynch but I kind of believe FF has to be mafia here if SL is the vet.

If I were to take this statement at face value, I would have to conclude that SL is not the vet.

I'm taking it at a different value, however, and think you may be feeding tronak's paranoia to ensure the last mislynch
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#2249
DOPE
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#2250
now the question is whether sicklucker wanted you to cc or whether it's 100% yamato
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#2252
I mean.. what other world makes sense?

##vote sicklucker
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March 11 2015 05:24 GMT
#2261
For the record I didn't want to say anything but I had a feeling you were mafia because in JoaT you were so happy about rolling town and this game had already started
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#2264
Yeah I got the read after you flipped town ALSO I was on sandroba anyway
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March 11 2015 09:33 GMT
#2268
so he didn't concede in pms
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#2275
Gg
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March 15 2015 06:53 GMT
#2290
On March 15 2015 15:51 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2015 04:04 yamato77 wrote:
Actually he played that perfectly


Yes he did.


Who is he?

He's from a different forum I believe he linked to his off-site games in this thread
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#2293
I don't talk to girls, that would involve going outside
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