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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
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sicklucker
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On March 01 2015 09:40 Eden1892 wrote: Game p. easy we lunch Yamato next will explain why after work Rofl | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
(1) Disappearing/not trying to solve the game after d2, including dropping/failing to pursue multiple scumreads for no reason. He dropped his scumread on me and didn't push it at all, instead allowing me basically to decide the lynch, and he keeps saying Snarfs is in his mafia group without actually engaging Snarfs at all or putting any work in to get Snarfs lynched. If he's no longer suspecting either of us, cool, but then he didn't try very hard to find other suspects, either. (2) The way Artanis was willing to switch to yamato near the end of d1 but then somehow found a way to vote with yamato on Snarfs, and then the way Artanis dropped his read on yamato without giving any reason, makes it plausible that Artanis was busing a partner. This doesn't actively prove yamato is mafia, but addresses one significant potential argument for his innocence (namely Artanis trying at some point to get yamato lynched). (3) I still maintain my d1 observation that yamato complaining about the thread direction while he was actively involved in deciding it, and when it was basically completely as you'd expect him to want it given his reads at the time, probably makes yamato mafia. I don't understand why a townie who is involved in the thread and who has successfully gotten thread sentiment more or less in line with his reads could possibly complain about the thread direction. | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
Ironically I think my other lynch right now, if neither yamato nor Kelsier, would be Tormented. Artanis would hard bus like that in some circumstances, so it's not impossible. And I distinctly remember several other players (Tronak, Shining, Snarfs, Fecalfeast) really trying today to figure the game out, so by POE there's a decent shot Tormented is mafia. One thing I'd definitely encourage people NOT to do is to write off Tormented as a possible partner for Artanis; when you see how Artanis was ultimately pretty easily swayed off of killing Tormented d1, the fact that Artanis "went hard after him" (not really) doesn't mean much at all. And yeah I put Fecalfeast in that list, he's been working reasonably hard for someone who replaced 70 pgs in. I'm still worried about his slot though, just because Node's filter screams red to me. He's in my second tier of possible lynches after yamato/Kelsier/Tormented. I don't think I would ever lynch Snarfs, Tronak, Shining or sicklucker. Probulous I keep getting a nagging feeling about since he also dropped off, but I've liked what he's done when he's been around, more or less. So that's more or less where I'm at. Lynch into yamato/Kelsier/Tormented, I would almost guarantee one of them is mafia. Don't ever lynch Snarfs, Tronak, Shining, sicklucker. Make Probulous and Fecalfeast consistently bleed town and we probably have this. | ||
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_Tormented_
United States157 Posts
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_Tormented_
United States157 Posts
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
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_Tormented_
United States157 Posts
On March 01 2015 14:32 sicklucker wrote: Kelsiers not really a veteran. I only remember him being mafia once and dying to ogi reasons. I have no idea how he plays mafia. Guilty Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Survived Day 3 Fantasy Football (FFL) Mini Mafia Vanilla Modkilled Day 4 TL Mafia LXIX: Carol Of The Bells Mafia Branch Manager Lynched Day 2 Imperial Mafia Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 6 The Void Mafia Town Vanilla Killed Night 4 VII Titanic Mini Mafia: I Have a Cunning Plan... Town Vanilla Killed Night 1 6 games...granted he only survived 1 of them. | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
On March 01 2015 14:19 _Tormented_ wrote: Also, lets be real, how likely is it that a veteran mafia player would act like Kelsier did with the Artanis lynch knowing that Artanis would flip scum? As you said, brazen would be a good word. Also, do you expect to live through the night? I looked back and it seems you pretty much are always dead by the end of night 2 in mini mafia when you are town. I would be insulted if I were alive to play to d3 I'm kind of insulted I wasn't nk'd since I was right about Artanis tbh | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
they didn't kill you because they knew your reads were bad | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On March 01 2015 07:17 The Shining wrote: OK, Tronak. The haste with which you switched your vote was just odd to me and the tone with which you just defended yourself seems...well, overly defensive. Did me telling you to read the thread that one time get to you that much? I mean, I did say in my last post that you were sheeping Prob onto FF. But you said you wouldn't move off of Artanis unless he showed he was town. You moved off of him so I needed to see if you thought Artanis was town or not. You moving off the wagon you claim to have started because he hasn't offered us anything to a guy who is here and doing something before EoD doesn't line up. And it might just be wording but "easily" being willing to switch off of your main wagon to another just doesn't fit the tone you've had regarding Artanis. That being said, I really am thinking we should give Artanis a chance here. There are quite a few players who had much more content and posts D1 as opposed to now. Artanis, yamato, Snarfs, Kelsier are names that come to mind as driving forces D1 and almost non existent D2. And if that is alignment indicative, I'm really bad at this game because there are four names there. lol | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
SL did try to get the lynch away from artanis but his reason didn't make sense to me. Like artanis is more likely to show himself town later or something. Probulus I need to read again. I had him as a scumread n1 but really couldn't be fucked yo play the game d2 with the replacement. Eden as for tormented. Artanis can push on tormented. But it is highly unlikely that tormented , as a newbie. Would bus artanis. Much more likely he finds a reason to call him town. I dont know about Yamato, I think artanis being lynched wasn't a forgone conclusion and he was very vocal about the lynch. I'd have to read him again but it doesn't feel like a bus to me. Again this makes me wonder. About SL who is happy to go along with your idea | ||
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_Tormented_
United States157 Posts
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
Currently it stands at 7-2 If you no shoot. 6-2 Mislynch 5-2 Nk 4-2 Ml 3-2 Nk Mafia wins Mafia can win with two mislynches. If you shoot wrongly 6-2 5-2 Ml 4-2 Nk 3-2 Ml Mafia wins Essentially whether you don't shoot or shoot wrong today mafia wins with the same number of mislynches. But you have a chance to shoot right and it lowers the number of townies you can potentially mislynch. Therefore vogi shoot your strongest scum read tonight | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
On March 02 2015 00:44 _Tormented_ wrote: @Eden you say yamato bussed, but I find it much more likely that someone like you bussed when you very quickly dropped your vote on artanis day 2 and then disappeared for the rest of the day saying you didn't need to think again until day 4. A day might I add that you rarely if ever make it to when you are town. I agree with kel that yamato does not feel like a bus to me. If you were so certain that artanis was mafia, why not try and make sure that happens? Then when artanis flipped, you were again very quick to lead the discussion and point the finger at yamato. For someone who sends so certain again, your reasons for yamato are vague at best. artanis was lynched. wtf else did i need to do to "try and make sure that happens"? i got like 4-5 people on the wagon i wanted immediately, and there was never a significant counterwagon. then most of the people i wasn't sure about decided to start talking and solve the game. staying back and watching them work without distorting their behavior with my presence was a great call since i got several townreads from it that i wouldn't otherwise have and i didn't say i "didn't need to think again until day 4," i said i wasn't going to have to worry much about a certain player (don't remember who) until d4, because at the time i had my d2 and d3 lynches more or less decided (artie and node). notice that in the meantime i changed my mind on fecalfeast being my next lynch, so obviously i'm already thinking again what are you doing here? maybe artanis DID bus you | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
On March 02 2015 01:49 KelsierSC wrote: So if.we have a vigi that held his shot. We can discuss shooting tonight. Currently it stands at 7-2 If you no shoot. 6-2 Mislynch 5-2 Nk 4-2 Ml 3-2 Nk Mafia wins Mafia can win with two mislynches. If you shoot wrongly 6-2 5-2 Ml 4-2 Nk 3-2 Ml Mafia wins Essentially whether you don't shoot or shoot wrong today mafia wins with the same number of mislynches. But you have a chance to shoot right and it lowers the number of townies you can potentially mislynch. Therefore vogi shoot your strongest scum read tonight your math is wrong but your conclusion is (mostly) right vig should always shoot my biggest scumread plz | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
On March 01 2015 17:49 yamato77 wrote: loleden they didn't kill you because they knew your reads were bad so bad i caught mafia, what a scrub what happened to your scumreads on me and snarfs and where are you at right now | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
On March 02 2015 00:05 KelsierSC wrote: I'd probably look into probulus and sl again. SL did try to get the lynch away from artanis but his reason didn't make sense to me. Like artanis is more likely to show himself town later or something. Probulus I need to read again. I had him as a scumread n1 but really couldn't be fucked yo play the game d2 with the replacement. Eden as for tormented. Artanis can push on tormented. But it is highly unlikely that tormented , as a newbie. Would bus artanis. Much more likely he finds a reason to call him town. I dont know about Yamato, I think artanis being lynched wasn't a forgone conclusion and he was very vocal about the lynch. I'd have to read him again but it doesn't feel like a bus to me. Again this makes me wonder. About SL who is happy to go along with your idea Artanis being lynched was a pretty foregone conclusion imo. And it's a little odd to me that yamato was only vocal about lynching Artanis after it was. His vote goes on within 4 hrs of EOD and he doesn't start saying stuff like "we're killing Artanis today" until the last 40 or so minutes of the day. I am reasonably certain he is mafia | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On March 02 2015 02:17 Eden1892 wrote: your math is wrong but your conclusion is (mostly) right vig should always shoot my biggest scumread plz how is the math wrong? | ||
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