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OK admittedly I only skimmed one sample of each, but he seems like he's more direct in his older games as both alignments... And about two years have passed since then. So I don't know how much stock I can put into (ostensibly) a tone-based read I'm not even clearly seeing that's also two years old. His game is different from his town games before but it seems different from his mafia ones too. Do you have any specific games I should be looking at? I get not wanting to go all the way back and dig up the exact posts, but I'm not getting what you're saying here.
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I've gotten fucked by mind melding with scum before. Really recently too. It's not very hard to get into a townie mindset as scum, contrary to popular belief. I don't use minded as a town till anymore.
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On February 26 2015 06:15 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 06:13 Eden1892 wrote:On February 26 2015 06:10 Snarfs wrote:On February 26 2015 06:07 Eden1892 wrote:On February 26 2015 06:04 yamato77 wrote:On February 24 2015 15:02 Snarfs wrote:
You have my sword, Yamato.
Thoughts on the Shining and sicklucker's entrance so far? Is this something town does these days? I mean, look at this stuff. "you have my sword!!!1!1!" yet he doesn't vote, and follows it up by asking a puffball question. ugh. ...ok, that's actually pretty sensible. I don't agree with your reading him as insincere though. Call me a sucker I guess but I really don't see what he's done that is improbably town. If we just accept that he's not the best townie by TL mafia standards then most of this pretty much disappears tbh. I really need you to tell me why you're so sure Wave is town though before I can consider going anywhere else today. @Snarfs lol no I'm probably not lynching Artanis today. I'm not all that suspicious of him and I don't think there's any traction for that. I really think it has to be Wave I got excited when both yamato and I said the same thing about Tormented at the same time. Hence the sword comment. ^c'mon guys, how is that not credible? And holy shit yamato how are you voting this guy when he mindmelded with you on Tormented early in the game. He noticed the same thing you did and posted it at the same time. C'mon Really doesn't mean much tbh I have meta reasons but I don't feel like quoting all the stuff I read from his previous games. He's playing how he plays as mafia. As town he's much more direct.
lol. I've changed in 2 years, I'll give you that.
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And also why is Wave town to you? That was the first time you said he was all game. Obviously I don't see it lol
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On February 26 2015 06:22 Snarfs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 06:15 yamato77 wrote:On February 26 2015 06:13 Eden1892 wrote:On February 26 2015 06:10 Snarfs wrote:On February 26 2015 06:07 Eden1892 wrote:On February 26 2015 06:04 yamato77 wrote:On February 24 2015 15:02 Snarfs wrote:
You have my sword, Yamato.
Thoughts on the Shining and sicklucker's entrance so far? Is this something town does these days? I mean, look at this stuff. "you have my sword!!!1!1!" yet he doesn't vote, and follows it up by asking a puffball question. ugh. ...ok, that's actually pretty sensible. I don't agree with your reading him as insincere though. Call me a sucker I guess but I really don't see what he's done that is improbably town. If we just accept that he's not the best townie by TL mafia standards then most of this pretty much disappears tbh. I really need you to tell me why you're so sure Wave is town though before I can consider going anywhere else today. @Snarfs lol no I'm probably not lynching Artanis today. I'm not all that suspicious of him and I don't think there's any traction for that. I really think it has to be Wave I got excited when both yamato and I said the same thing about Tormented at the same time. Hence the sword comment. ^c'mon guys, how is that not credible? And holy shit yamato how are you voting this guy when he mindmelded with you on Tormented early in the game. He noticed the same thing you did and posted it at the same time. C'mon Really doesn't mean much tbh I have meta reasons but I don't feel like quoting all the stuff I read from his previous games. He's playing how he plays as mafia. As town he's much more direct. lol. I've changed in 2 years, I'll give you that.
Now you sound like you're agreeing with yamato's read that your tone/etc. is different from your past town games. Without giving a big life spiel or anything, how would you say you changed such that your game is impacted this way?
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Wow catching up on 30+ pages really is a feat, huh? I'm sorry guys, I feel really shitty about the last two days. when this game started, I had just been NK out of my last game. I took Monday to refresh myself for this game and got called into work on my day off yesterday. Just for reference, I play on my tablet at work. I forgot to bring it with me last night.
However I'm not a big fan of replacements, especially this close to EoD, and I still have over 2 hours. I have read and skimmed at least the first 10 pages but there's a lot more to read/analyze.
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On February 07 2013 08:44 Snarfs wrote:All right, so here are my thoughts: 1) On VE: My vote on VE was initially because of exactly what I said - of the three people that came into the conversation, he was the quickest to abandon it when things got heated. Now, he claims that he was commuting and I can't exactly dispute that. But since then, I've had no reason to move my vote off of him. Look at the way he's saying things. Who is he even pressuring? Read through his filter and try to figure out who he's pushing. Palmar!? We're not lynching Palmar day 1, why waste time? As for the other people VE is "pressuring", there's no vindication. Phagga? Nope. yamato? Maybe, I can't really tell. When VE is town, he pushes people. He pushes them hard to determine their alignment and it's obvious he's pushing people. I think this is scum VE. 2) In response to Mr. Cheesecake: Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 04:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:==SNIP== SnarfsBeen playing super neutral so far and non confrontational. Example: On February 06 2013 14:38 Snarfs wrote:
I could point out that it looks like one or both of you are purposefully being stubborn to try to draw reactions out of scum, possibly some sort of trap, but I don't know either of you well enough to give you that much credit. If you CAN do something, then you do it. This post serves no purpose other than to illustrate that either Oats or Mocsta could be stubborn for "possibly" some sort of trap, but then says he doesn't have enough information. I was just saying what was on my mind. I was hoping by adding the "but" part of things someone else who knew these players would chime in. There are a lot of new faces here for me, and I apologize for not making it more clear that I was looking for some input from someone else. Either way, the point I was getting across was that it was not scummy that they were arguing like that. Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 16:22 Snarfs wrote:On February 06 2013 15:33 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2013 15:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
Mocsta I'm intrigued by your posts regarding the nomination phase. However I'm going to suggest/request that you save it for AFTER the dawn phase of D2 so that scum aren't given instructions on how you're going to view nominees they put up. It's going to be clear enough after D2 because we're going to have to lynch into their choices - but if we can go all of D1 without speculating on who and why scum will send up D2 I think that's going to be a net gain for town. I disagree. On February 06 2013 12:04 Mocsta wrote:
The choices scum have for nomination will be based on the status quo of the ODD days; so it is paramount to consider ODD day play for EVEN day nomination. Having said that, I am going to hold off further strategy talk due to: fuck all people online. Need some others to contribute. @SnarfWhat do you make of VE wanting to bury all nomination mechanic talk till the nominations are released? I think it's a null tell. Town would do it if they wanted to shift the focus off of WIFOM. Scum would do it if they thought it was in town's best interests to be talking about the setup. I've personally never cared for too much setup speculation as most of my scum hunting success has come from observing what they actually do, not guessing at what they should be doing. Another null tell. I was just answering the question that was asked. Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 14:34 Snarfs wrote:On February 06 2013 14:27 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey Snarfs,
Do you have any conclusions about the 'discussion' between me and Mocsta relating to our alignments/ Not really being swayed either way. Looks like standard day 1 banter. The only real stance he had on someone is VE, but the only justification is for his "disappearing act". Snarfs has had plenty of time to justify his vote, but all I see is "lol people were shouting in thread you weren't there must be scum". Apart from that, the only thing he's done is talk about WIFOM crap. Snarfs plz do something instead of trying to be all blendy and stuff, k? ==SNIP== Please read my first point and if this comment still stands feel free to rephrase it or ask again. 3) On Mocsta: It looks like most of the votes on Mocsta are based on meta (correct me if I'm wrong, please: Oats, yamato, JX). Now, from the case that yamato makes, my biggest issue is that the tone between NMM XXXV (the referenced scum game) and this game is quite different. In the referenced game, he is quite unabrasive. He is questioning people but he's not actually showing any emotion, as in this game. Compare: Show nested quote +
I appreciate the sense of energy you are giving back to this thread, and I certainly do not want to deter that; town needs this energy.
BUT.. you are almost sounding "paranoid" - I know this, because after my last game, many assumed I was "paranoid".
I think we both want the same thing, a town environment where people can voice their opinion and join together for the scum hunt.
When you say "it seems fair since people like you are jumping in to defend him pretty fast"; that alienates participants from wanting to contribute.
You are actually creating an environment scum can thrive in with that attitude - even though I doubt that is your intention.
I ask that you please think about the above.
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Oats you have an uncanny ability to read a wall of text and focus on one word in that paragraph.
You sound like a whiny chick to me, who hears one word she doesnt like, and zones off to everything else.
I AM NOT SETUP SPECULATING. The fuckn setup is 9 town, 4 mafia.
I am saying we need to make scum work hard to become read as town,
I am saying good play Day1 is to emphasise quality posts, and avoid being a lurker
I am saying, bad play Day1, is going to make nominations for scum in Day2 much fuckn easier.
Quote 1 sounds all nice and blendy in. Quote 2 is.. not. This meta argument is not convincing enough to sway me to change my vote.
lolol it's the dude's formula.
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Yamato can you explain this process to me.
So your main scum read was Tormented right, who is voting on snarfs with you. Ok I can let that go if you have like a sudden reason to town read tormented.
Your reason to townread tormented is
On February 26 2015 03:15 yamato77 wrote:
I like damdred's posts about Snarfs. Dude has been seriously fishy this whole game.
For one, I'm pretty sure Node is town. For two, the way he's sort of just landed on Kels makes me highly suspicious. If someone has to bait you into voting them, it looks bad.
Kelsier looks a lot better now than when I initially voted him. Snarfs looks worse. Artanis looks better, even if he's ununnecessarily fixated on me. Tormented is at least trying, to an extent.
Right now I kinda want to lynch Snarfs. Ever since his first big post, I've had him down as solidly scummy but I've sat on it and waited. He never really got better.
##Vote: Snarfs
Firstly is he reeally trying, I don't get that impression. I can't remember one decent thing he has done.
He even says.
On February 25 2015 15:59 _Tormented_ wrote:
lol whatever, I am not mafia and you will see that, but I see no reason to post again since everything I say apparently gets twisted around to be mafia.
This is not someone trying.
Furthermore you actually don't scum read him for his activity. You scum read him for his fluffy questions, and trying to blend in.
On February 24 2015 14:59 yamato77 wrote:So I guess no one is going to play along and actually look at tormented with any sort of scrutiny, I might as well just post my suspicions now and gauge reaction. Only two people have actually commented on his alignment to any degree, and both of them like the fact that he asked some questions. Mkay. Sure. However, when one looks at his filter it just seems like someone who simply wants to blend in. Many of his early game posts are completely fluff and serve no purpose. He spends time talking about: RNG Show nested quote +On February 24 2015 09:40 _Tormented_ wrote:
Probulous is right, no sense wasting what will almost definitely be a town lynch. Most day 1s I have been a part of provide some information, but I imagine on a forum like this one the information will either be much greater or much more hidden. Show nested quote +On February 24 2015 10:13 _Tormented_ wrote:On February 24 2015 10:06 Probulous wrote:On February 24 2015 10:02 Eden1892 wrote:On February 24 2015 09:31 Probulous wrote:Precisely  Just getting the ball rolling. You still haven't answered my question, what does it mean to you? To me it means nothing, hence I asked the question. As for random lynch, over my dead body. We are statistically more likely to get town and more importantly it provides cover for scum to avoid scumhunting in Day 1. No point in wasting a whole day waiting for a lynch that gives us no information. [citation needed] On February 24 2015 09:48 Half the Sky wrote:
So which cell are you Artanis?
Also how dirty is your mind going to get this game? Do I want to know? yes let's get dirty this game  ROFL, what I meant was with 10 townies and 3 mafia, there is a much higher chance on lynching town if the lynch is completely randomised. Eden, what makes you "bad" at this game? I would argue that there is a higher chance of lynching town if it is NOT random, but then you would lose out on any information. The theory behind this is that the mafia know each other and the town do not (on average). This leads to mafia not only have a numbers advantage in that there is a higher chance that town get lynched, but they will also work together to absolutely make sure one of their own do not die day one. Granted I am sure they screw up from time to time and do get lynched day 1, but to say that there is a higher chance of lynching town at random, I believe that to be false. Show nested quote +On February 24 2015 10:19 _Tormented_ wrote:
lol, well my post is wrong...at least in non newbie games on here. Sarcasm Show nested quote +On February 24 2015 10:02 _Tormented_ wrote:On February 24 2015 10:00 Eden1892 wrote:On February 24 2015 09:03 Snarfs wrote:
So, not recognizing the following names:
3) Half the Sky
4) sicklucker
5) Tronak
7) _Tormented_
9) The Shining
10) Eden1892
12) Damdred
I'm curious who the new new players are and how much experience each of the listed people has. Should help me get an idea of what to expect as far as town/mafia capabilities are concerned. I've never played this game on TL and I am really bad at it in other venues Trying to out sarcasm damdred? Show nested quote +On February 24 2015 10:10 _Tormented_ wrote:On February 24 2015 10:03 Eden1892 wrote:On February 24 2015 10:02 _Tormented_ wrote:On February 24 2015 10:00 Eden1892 wrote:On February 24 2015 09:03 Snarfs wrote:
So, not recognizing the following names:
3) Half the Sky
4) sicklucker
5) Tronak
7) _Tormented_
9) The Shining
10) Eden1892
12) Damdred
I'm curious who the new new players are and how much experience each of the listed people has. Should help me get an idea of what to expect as far as town/mafia capabilities are concerned. I've never played this game on TL and I am really bad at it in other venues Trying to out sarcasm damdred? Testing my Bluff rank. Looks like the DC was too high to be meaningful hmm yeah you were probably missing something critical for your success. And he asks this stupid question: Show nested quote +On February 24 2015 10:40 _Tormented_ wrote:
@yamato what makes you support Artanis for mayor? Especially without hearing anyone else even lobby for it yet. Which probulous gives him credit for. eeeehhhhh Other posts are also just "general information" sort of posts that have little to do with the game. His only "reads" post is this gem: Show nested quote +On February 24 2015 11:13 _Tormented_ wrote:
lol fine, here ya go before I have to leave work. Take it for what you will.
Player List
1) Probulous (filter) - town
2) Artanis[Xp] (filter) - town or overly aggressive mafia
3) Half the Sky (filter) - town
4) sicklucker (filter) - town
5) Tronak (filter) - no clue
6) Yamato77 (filter) - mafia
7) _Tormented_ (filter) - town
8) Node (filter) - no clue
9) The Shining (filter) - no clue
10) Eden1892 (filter) - either mafia or he is just being obtuse for no reason
11) WaveofShadow (filter) - no clue
12) Damdred (filter) - town
13) snarfs (filter) - no clue It's believable enough that he "accidentally" called sicklucker town but it's also possible he simply outed himself. Either way, these reads are weak and also evident of thread sentiment. Artanis and I are the only people with fingers pointed at us in the thread, and his reads reflect that rather perfectly. Show nested quote +On February 24 2015 11:22 _Tormented_ wrote:
Not to mention he completely avoids giving any reason for it In response to me voting him after that post, he says this. Ironic, given that he's given exactly 0 reasons for any of his reads. In the mean time, I'll simply assume they are fabricated and designed to be inconspicuous, like my impression of them would assert. Notably, he thinks I'm mafia and that I'm OMGUSing him but yet I'm the one who voted him and he has yet to place his. It's not an amazing read, but it's more interesting to me than anything else that has happened thus far. I have yet to read Probulous' case on Damdred but in general I tend to listen to my own reads day 1 more than I trust other people's cases. My initial impression of damdred is that he is playing somewhat different from how I remember but that doesn't mean much with my absence from the game.
Can you explan this please
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On February 26 2015 06:24 The Shining wrote:
Wow catching up on 30+ pages really is a feat, huh? I'm sorry guys, I feel really shitty about the last two days. when this game started, I had just been NK out of my last game. I took Monday to refresh myself for this game and got called into work on my day off yesterday. Just for reference, I play on my tablet at work. I forgot to bring it with me last night.
However I'm not a big fan of replacements, especially this close to EoD, and I still have over 2 hours. I have read and skimmed at least the first 10 pages but there's a lot more to read/analyze.
Free pass wheeeeee
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Wave, you still around?
Has anyone noticed that since this god awful post
On February 25 2015 12:57 Node wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 11:33 Probulous wrote:
"Snarfs has nothing to lose by "concluding" that I'm town if he is mafia, so my vote remains unchanged"
If he concluded you were mafia would that change things?
I agree we need to see more from him. Eh, it would probably depend on the analysis. Obviously I'd fight it, but it would at least spark discussion, which usually leads to some sort of information or committal, which is always good. Whereas when he says I'm town all I can really do is say "k" and move on.
Node has said nothing. He basically jumped on Snarfs for nothing and then left his vote there all game. When pushed his only reasoning is that Snarfs somehow took the easy way out? The logic makes no sense because maybe, just maybe Snarfs actually thought he was town. I really don't like this post at all, especially since it is the last one from Node and we have no other analysis from him at all. Like no other players whatsoever. He mentions a couple of "null" reads but that's all.
Still reading.
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Ksc if yamato was scum he wouldn't have even done that much.
This game is town yamato's formula.i hate fucking meta and even I will admit to it.
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On February 26 2015 06:26 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ksc if yamato was scum he wouldn't have even done that much.
This game is town yamato's formula.i hate fucking meta and even I will admit to it.
are you called yamato?
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On February 26 2015 06:23 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 06:22 Snarfs wrote:On February 26 2015 06:15 yamato77 wrote:On February 26 2015 06:13 Eden1892 wrote:On February 26 2015 06:10 Snarfs wrote:On February 26 2015 06:07 Eden1892 wrote:On February 26 2015 06:04 yamato77 wrote:On February 24 2015 15:02 Snarfs wrote:
You have my sword, Yamato.
Thoughts on the Shining and sicklucker's entrance so far? Is this something town does these days? I mean, look at this stuff. "you have my sword!!!1!1!" yet he doesn't vote, and follows it up by asking a puffball question. ugh. ...ok, that's actually pretty sensible. I don't agree with your reading him as insincere though. Call me a sucker I guess but I really don't see what he's done that is improbably town. If we just accept that he's not the best townie by TL mafia standards then most of this pretty much disappears tbh. I really need you to tell me why you're so sure Wave is town though before I can consider going anywhere else today. @Snarfs lol no I'm probably not lynching Artanis today. I'm not all that suspicious of him and I don't think there's any traction for that. I really think it has to be Wave I got excited when both yamato and I said the same thing about Tormented at the same time. Hence the sword comment. ^c'mon guys, how is that not credible? And holy shit yamato how are you voting this guy when he mindmelded with you on Tormented early in the game. He noticed the same thing you did and posted it at the same time. C'mon Really doesn't mean much tbh I have meta reasons but I don't feel like quoting all the stuff I read from his previous games. He's playing how he plays as mafia. As town he's much more direct. lol. I've changed in 2 years, I'll give you that. Now you sound like you're agreeing with yamato's read that your tone/etc. is different from your past town games. Without giving a big life spiel or anything, how would you say you changed such that your game is impacted this way?
I'm having a lot more fun this game. I'm way more relaxed than I would have been as town OR mafia. Sure, maybe it makes me a worse town player, but at least I don't want to shoot myself every time I'm wrong about something.
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Fiuuuck I really wish I could do in depth reading right now probbob is back
Node is town cause of something I said earlier, forget what it was. I'm generally OK with him.
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On February 26 2015 06:27 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 06:26 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ksc if yamato was scum he wouldn't have even done that much.
This game is town yamato's formula.i hate fucking meta and even I will admit to it. are you called yamato?
Townbros gotta stick up for each other
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SL still hasn't done anything
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I'd lunch that guy maybe but I feel like it would be doing so just as blind.
All he does is spam and spout random shit and I don't know how he normally plays.
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On February 26 2015 06:24 yamato77 wrote:From Nomination: Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 08:44 Snarfs wrote:All right, so here are my thoughts: 1) On VE: My vote on VE was initially because of exactly what I said - of the three people that came into the conversation, he was the quickest to abandon it when things got heated. Now, he claims that he was commuting and I can't exactly dispute that. But since then, I've had no reason to move my vote off of him. Look at the way he's saying things. Who is he even pressuring? Read through his filter and try to figure out who he's pushing. Palmar!? We're not lynching Palmar day 1, why waste time? As for the other people VE is "pressuring", there's no vindication. Phagga? Nope. yamato? Maybe, I can't really tell. When VE is town, he pushes people. He pushes them hard to determine their alignment and it's obvious he's pushing people. I think this is scum VE. 2) In response to Mr. Cheesecake: On February 07 2013 04:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:==SNIP== SnarfsBeen playing super neutral so far and non confrontational. Example: On February 06 2013 14:38 Snarfs wrote:
I could point out that it looks like one or both of you are purposefully being stubborn to try to draw reactions out of scum, possibly some sort of trap, but I don't know either of you well enough to give you that much credit. If you CAN do something, then you do it. This post serves no purpose other than to illustrate that either Oats or Mocsta could be stubborn for "possibly" some sort of trap, but then says he doesn't have enough information. I was just saying what was on my mind. I was hoping by adding the "but" part of things someone else who knew these players would chime in. There are a lot of new faces here for me, and I apologize for not making it more clear that I was looking for some input from someone else. Either way, the point I was getting across was that it was not scummy that they were arguing like that. On February 06 2013 16:22 Snarfs wrote:On February 06 2013 15:33 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2013 15:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
Mocsta I'm intrigued by your posts regarding the nomination phase. However I'm going to suggest/request that you save it for AFTER the dawn phase of D2 so that scum aren't given instructions on how you're going to view nominees they put up. It's going to be clear enough after D2 because we're going to have to lynch into their choices - but if we can go all of D1 without speculating on who and why scum will send up D2 I think that's going to be a net gain for town. I disagree. On February 06 2013 12:04 Mocsta wrote:
The choices scum have for nomination will be based on the status quo of the ODD days; so it is paramount to consider ODD day play for EVEN day nomination. Having said that, I am going to hold off further strategy talk due to: fuck all people online. Need some others to contribute. @SnarfWhat do you make of VE wanting to bury all nomination mechanic talk till the nominations are released? I think it's a null tell. Town would do it if they wanted to shift the focus off of WIFOM. Scum would do it if they thought it was in town's best interests to be talking about the setup. I've personally never cared for too much setup speculation as most of my scum hunting success has come from observing what they actually do, not guessing at what they should be doing. Another null tell. I was just answering the question that was asked. On February 06 2013 14:34 Snarfs wrote:On February 06 2013 14:27 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey Snarfs,
Do you have any conclusions about the 'discussion' between me and Mocsta relating to our alignments/ Not really being swayed either way. Looks like standard day 1 banter. The only real stance he had on someone is VE, but the only justification is for his "disappearing act". Snarfs has had plenty of time to justify his vote, but all I see is "lol people were shouting in thread you weren't there must be scum". Apart from that, the only thing he's done is talk about WIFOM crap. Snarfs plz do something instead of trying to be all blendy and stuff, k? ==SNIP== Please read my first point and if this comment still stands feel free to rephrase it or ask again. 3) On Mocsta: It looks like most of the votes on Mocsta are based on meta (correct me if I'm wrong, please: Oats, yamato, JX). Now, from the case that yamato makes, my biggest issue is that the tone between NMM XXXV (the referenced scum game) and this game is quite different. In the referenced game, he is quite unabrasive. He is questioning people but he's not actually showing any emotion, as in this game. Compare:
I appreciate the sense of energy you are giving back to this thread, and I certainly do not want to deter that; town needs this energy.
BUT.. you are almost sounding "paranoid" - I know this, because after my last game, many assumed I was "paranoid".
I think we both want the same thing, a town environment where people can voice their opinion and join together for the scum hunt.
When you say "it seems fair since people like you are jumping in to defend him pretty fast"; that alienates participants from wanting to contribute.
You are actually creating an environment scum can thrive in with that attitude - even though I doubt that is your intention.
I ask that you please think about the above.
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Oats you have an uncanny ability to read a wall of text and focus on one word in that paragraph.
You sound like a whiny chick to me, who hears one word she doesnt like, and zones off to everything else.
I AM NOT SETUP SPECULATING. The fuckn setup is 9 town, 4 mafia.
I am saying we need to make scum work hard to become read as town,
I am saying good play Day1 is to emphasise quality posts, and avoid being a lurker
I am saying, bad play Day1, is going to make nominations for scum in Day2 much fuckn easier.
Quote 1 sounds all nice and blendy in. Quote 2 is.. not. This meta argument is not convincing enough to sway me to change my vote. lolol it's the dude's formula.
C'mon man, you don't get to call me bad over and over and then post the quotes and call it a "formula" without walking me through it like I'm five.
Which is to say I still don't follow. 
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FWIW I do think yamato is probably town. Wave is still the only person I'm gonna lynch until somebody says why he isn't mafia. I am about to go requote my case so people can refute it
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Wave, can you just answer me why you are voting for Snarfs?
Your reasoning makes 0 sense, it's a blatant sheep as far as I can tell.
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