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On February 26 2015 04:54 Eden1892 wrote:
What the hell guys why are you letting yamato and Wave turn this onto Snarfs? These guys are people we're starting to circle and then they're like "yeah lynch snarfs he contradicted himself (because townies NEVER do that!!) once or twice lol!" and now everyone's talking about lynching Snarfs. We're not doing that. Come on.
Kelsier, sicklucker is town.
sicklucker, Kelsier is (probably) town. (Contradicting myself from earlier lol much scum!! But he's actually started getting involved and his lines of questioning make more sense to me. He's not today's lynch.)
Y'all stop and help me lynch Wave or yamato, prefs Wave.
I kinda get this Yoda Zen sense that Artanis might be mafia but I'm not even entertaining it seriously unless/until Wave flips scum.
Damdred originally fingered Snarfs, want to throw dirt on him, too?
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On February 26 2015 05:05 Eden1892 wrote:
"Throwing dirt"?
Why don't you go ahead and call me mafia if you're gonna spin my arguments with half-baked suspicions like that?
You're probably mafia.
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On February 26 2015 05:12 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 05:06 yamato77 wrote:On February 26 2015 05:05 Eden1892 wrote:
"Throwing dirt"?
Why don't you go ahead and call me mafia if you're gonna spin my arguments with half-baked suspicions like that? You're probably mafia. More half-baked suspicions. That all you got?
Your case on me is an absolute joke. Please.
If you aren't mafia, you're sure cocky for being so wrong for such obvious reasons.
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On February 25 2015 12:50 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 12:42 Probulous wrote:On February 24 2015 15:00 Snarfs wrote:
I was suspicious of Damdred for not really commenting on Tormented's filter. However, he said he was going to leave about two hours ago now to go to bed. Then stayed. Seems pretty towny to me. I added some more on Damdred at the bottom of this post as I was going through filters. Snarfs, this is bad and you should feel bad. The decision to check the thread says sweet fuck all about alignment. It is a low-quality but very sincere read IMO. I think it is a pretty townie thought process, cause I know when I'm town I'm looking for stuff like that, and as mafia I'm looking not to hand out bad townreads that I might want to walk back later. If they're partners then that goes away, but I think Damdred is town, so I'm not really putting any weight on the possibility
Like, this is the only real read you've given on Snarfs but you've been chainsaw defending him all game by pushing the people who are suspicious of him.
Regardless of Snarf's alignment, this makes you look incredibly suspicious.
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On February 26 2015 05:38 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 05:23 yamato77 wrote:On February 25 2015 12:50 Eden1892 wrote:On February 25 2015 12:42 Probulous wrote:On February 24 2015 15:00 Snarfs wrote:
I was suspicious of Damdred for not really commenting on Tormented's filter. However, he said he was going to leave about two hours ago now to go to bed. Then stayed. Seems pretty towny to me. I added some more on Damdred at the bottom of this post as I was going through filters. Snarfs, this is bad and you should feel bad. The decision to check the thread says sweet fuck all about alignment. It is a low-quality but very sincere read IMO. I think it is a pretty townie thought process, cause I know when I'm town I'm looking for stuff like that, and as mafia I'm looking not to hand out bad townreads that I might want to walk back later. If they're partners then that goes away, but I think Damdred is town, so I'm not really putting any weight on the possibility Like, this is the only real read you've given on Snarfs but you've been chainsaw defending him all game by pushing the people who are suspicious of him. Regardless of Snarf's alignment, this makes you look incredibly suspicious. You're an experienced player, right? Because this is a pretty bad read on me, and it's making me think I should just lynch you if this is honestly the best you have. I've substantiated my reasons for why I'm pushing the people I'm pushing. They have nothing to do with defending Snarfs. For you to call it a chainsaw defense requires you to prove that (a) I have an interest in defending Snarfs, and (b) my pushes are the result primarily or exclusively of that interest and cannot be in significant part for other reasons. You can't prove either of those, because I don't have any a priori interest in defending Snarfs, and I've already shown that I'm pushing people because I think they're mafia.
1) Your case on me is horrid.
I've already destroyed it, you have yet to realize how terrible it truly is.
2) You don't even HAVE a case on wave.
On February 25 2015 22:36 Eden1892 wrote:Ah, one other thing about Wave. Earlier he said this: Show nested quote +On February 24 2015 15:25 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 24 2015 15:20 yamato77 wrote:On February 24 2015 15:17 WaveofShadow wrote:Am I included it those who 'liked the fact that he asked some questions?' Because I don't think I said anything of the sort. I believe my words were: On February 24 2015 12:04 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 24 2015 10:40 _Tormented_ wrote:
@yamato what makes you support Artanis for mayor? Especially without hearing anyone else even lobby for it yet. This one is curious. It's typical new player fare. He's pretty agreeable and gives the public exactly what they want---this works from both mafia and town perspectives for obvs reasons. I'm historically awful at reading new players and this is no exception tbh. Now I think there's maybe something to it, but a) all you're doing is basically taking the 'he must be mafia' side of the inconspicuous newbie argument b) I'm not sure why you think it has more merit than Prob's point that I've latched onto. I don't really see a towny mindset behind Damdred's retraction. I thought you were describing him as a curious person, not saying that he perplexes you in some way. Anyway, I didn't say he had to be mafia, I'm just saying that it is textbook earlygame mafia play. He's not a complete noob, either. And such is often the problem I have with newer players (doesn't have to be a complete noob for this to apply). Textbook mafia play often also looks like textbook 'I'm not sure what else to do here' noob play. Now he's voting Tronak for... what? Something that I'd pretty much to the letter call "'I'm not sure what else to do here' noob play." I'd almost rather lynch Wave over yamato. How about that? I like my arguments better for lynching him on further reflection. ##UNVOTE
##VOTE: WaveofShadow
Lololololololol
3) You've defended Snarfs throughout the game, and actually chainsaw defended him when tormented posted suspicion.
Now you are trying REAL HARD to make wave and I look bad because you don't want the snarfs lynch to gain traction even though your read on him is from over 24 hours ago.
4) Your play overall makes no fucking sense and is all over the place.
proof: reading the clusterfuck that is your filter.
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Why do you think snarfs is so townie, Eden?
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On February 26 2015 05:49 Eden1892 wrote:Good job not even reading, yamato. Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 04:45 Eden1892 wrote:Responding to older stuff I missed b/c I overestimated how much time I had before work. I reserve the right to make hilariously blatant contradictions after I read the posts from after I left On February 25 2015 22:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Also I don't think your wave case is that strong. I pointed out that he was adhering more to thread sentiment already here and he replied that he's changing his meta. I actually feel like he's been probing people's thoughts for the most part in the rest of the game. I also don't think his suspicion of Tronak is contradictory; he could simply find it stronger than the case on Tormented, though I still don't understand why people keep ignoring that case. "Adhering more to thread sentiment" isn't what Wave was doing with Kelsier. He just floats the question out there and does nothing with it afterward. He even said "I think this is a scummy question" and then ignored me when I asked why. That isn't probing people for their thoughts. He kinda did some probing with Damdred which is why I'm a little hesitant (not enough to matter), but after that he just goes on cruise control. And yes, his suspicion of Tronak is contradictory with the quote I provided. He acknowledges a weakness in being able to read new people who say things that are superficially suspicious. A new player says something superficially suspicious. A townie in this situation would question the new player further to understand where that player is coming from, being cognizant of his own weakness in reading and seeking to overcome his bias and find a more accurate read. A mobster in this situation would just vote the guy for contradicting himself and then go "oops, looks like my newbie-reading weakness caught me again, haha!" after the guy flips town. And now who's chainsaw-defending, huh? I just checked your filter, you literally haven't given a read on Wave all game long. Yet as soon as I start pushing Wave you literally make things up (I "don't have a case on Wave" even though I've posted it and quoted it here for you) and start shit flinging without even so much as voting for me.
I doubt that Wave is mafia. I have my reasons. It's not really necessary to defend Wave because he can do that himself. Not to mention, you're the only person who believes your read and no one takes you seriously.
I'm not voting you because the Snarfs lynch is better. You COULD be town, but it's becoming increasingly unlikely.
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On February 26 2015 05:51 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 05:47 yamato77 wrote:
Why do you think snarfs is so townie, Eden? First of all, I never said that. I have him as not a lynch today, not "so townie." You obviously aren't even reading my filter, so let me quote the relevant part for you: Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 12:50 Eden1892 wrote:On February 25 2015 12:42 Probulous wrote:On February 24 2015 15:00 Snarfs wrote:
I was suspicious of Damdred for not really commenting on Tormented's filter. However, he said he was going to leave about two hours ago now to go to bed. Then stayed. Seems pretty towny to me. I added some more on Damdred at the bottom of this post as I was going through filters. Snarfs, this is bad and you should feel bad. The decision to check the thread says sweet fuck all about alignment. It is a low-quality but very sincere read IMO. I think it is a pretty townie thought process, cause I know when I'm town I'm looking for stuff like that, and as mafia I'm looking not to hand out bad townreads that I might want to walk back later. If they're partners then that goes away, but I think Damdred is town, so I'm not really putting any weight on the possibility
I already quoted that. You're the one who isn't reading.
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On February 26 2015 05:55 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 05:54 yamato77 wrote:On February 26 2015 05:51 Eden1892 wrote:On February 26 2015 05:47 yamato77 wrote:
Why do you think snarfs is so townie, Eden? First of all, I never said that. I have him as not a lynch today, not "so townie." You obviously aren't even reading my filter, so let me quote the relevant part for you: On February 25 2015 12:50 Eden1892 wrote:On February 25 2015 12:42 Probulous wrote:On February 24 2015 15:00 Snarfs wrote:
I was suspicious of Damdred for not really commenting on Tormented's filter. However, he said he was going to leave about two hours ago now to go to bed. Then stayed. Seems pretty towny to me. I added some more on Damdred at the bottom of this post as I was going through filters. Snarfs, this is bad and you should feel bad. The decision to check the thread says sweet fuck all about alignment. It is a low-quality but very sincere read IMO. I think it is a pretty townie thought process, cause I know when I'm town I'm looking for stuff like that, and as mafia I'm looking not to hand out bad townreads that I might want to walk back later. If they're partners then that goes away, but I think Damdred is town, so I'm not really putting any weight on the possibility I already quoted that. You're the one who isn't reading. Then why don't you have a halfway-coherent argument against it?
It's not necessary to have an argument against a pathetically weak early game townread that I completely disagree with. The post as a whole is a joke. Probulous was right to point it out, specifically this wishy-washy language on Damdred that essentially says nothing meaningful.
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On February 26 2015 05:54 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 05:53 yamato77 wrote:On February 26 2015 05:49 Eden1892 wrote:Good job not even reading, yamato. On February 26 2015 04:45 Eden1892 wrote:Responding to older stuff I missed b/c I overestimated how much time I had before work. I reserve the right to make hilariously blatant contradictions after I read the posts from after I left On February 25 2015 22:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Also I don't think your wave case is that strong. I pointed out that he was adhering more to thread sentiment already here and he replied that he's changing his meta. I actually feel like he's been probing people's thoughts for the most part in the rest of the game. I also don't think his suspicion of Tronak is contradictory; he could simply find it stronger than the case on Tormented, though I still don't understand why people keep ignoring that case. "Adhering more to thread sentiment" isn't what Wave was doing with Kelsier. He just floats the question out there and does nothing with it afterward. He even said "I think this is a scummy question" and then ignored me when I asked why. That isn't probing people for their thoughts. He kinda did some probing with Damdred which is why I'm a little hesitant (not enough to matter), but after that he just goes on cruise control. And yes, his suspicion of Tronak is contradictory with the quote I provided. He acknowledges a weakness in being able to read new people who say things that are superficially suspicious. A new player says something superficially suspicious. A townie in this situation would question the new player further to understand where that player is coming from, being cognizant of his own weakness in reading and seeking to overcome his bias and find a more accurate read. A mobster in this situation would just vote the guy for contradicting himself and then go "oops, looks like my newbie-reading weakness caught me again, haha!" after the guy flips town. And now who's chainsaw-defending, huh? I just checked your filter, you literally haven't given a read on Wave all game long. Yet as soon as I start pushing Wave you literally make things up (I "don't have a case on Wave" even though I've posted it and quoted it here for you) and start shit flinging without even so much as voting for me. I doubt that Wave is mafia. I have my reasons. It's not really necessary to defend Wave because he can do that himself. Not to mention, you're the only person who believes your read and no one takes you seriously. I'm not voting you because the Snarfs lynch is better. You COULD be town, but it's becoming increasingly unlikely. This is fucking stupid. You say I have no case after obviously missing it in my filter, I post it again for you to read, your response is "he's town because reasons, also you're bad lol!" Fuck you I hope we lynch you after Wave
if we lynch wave today I hope I get lynched after
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On February 26 2015 05:59 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 05:57 yamato77 wrote:On February 26 2015 05:55 Eden1892 wrote:On February 26 2015 05:54 yamato77 wrote:On February 26 2015 05:51 Eden1892 wrote:On February 26 2015 05:47 yamato77 wrote:
Why do you think snarfs is so townie, Eden? First of all, I never said that. I have him as not a lynch today, not "so townie." You obviously aren't even reading my filter, so let me quote the relevant part for you: On February 25 2015 12:50 Eden1892 wrote:On February 25 2015 12:42 Probulous wrote:On February 24 2015 15:00 Snarfs wrote:
I was suspicious of Damdred for not really commenting on Tormented's filter. However, he said he was going to leave about two hours ago now to go to bed. Then stayed. Seems pretty towny to me. I added some more on Damdred at the bottom of this post as I was going through filters. Snarfs, this is bad and you should feel bad. The decision to check the thread says sweet fuck all about alignment. It is a low-quality but very sincere read IMO. I think it is a pretty townie thought process, cause I know when I'm town I'm looking for stuff like that, and as mafia I'm looking not to hand out bad townreads that I might want to walk back later. If they're partners then that goes away, but I think Damdred is town, so I'm not really putting any weight on the possibility I already quoted that. You're the one who isn't reading. Then why don't you have a halfway-coherent argument against it? It's not necessary to have an argument against a pathetically weak early game townread that I completely disagree with. The post as a whole is a joke. Probulous was right to point it out, specifically this wishy-washy language on Damdred that essentially says nothing meaningful. How is it pathetically weak and why do you disagree? I said it was a bad read, but it was a sincere one, which is what's more important. You don't lynch people for having bad reads, you lynch people for being mafia. Mafia can have good or bad reads. Town can have good or bad reads. The guy was handing out townreads for weak reasons, why would you do that as mafia when you didn't have to and it might be awkward to walk it back later to lynch the people you townread?
Because he's trying to look like he has reads, and is contributing. He's been playing at being "the good, helpful townie" this entire game and it's been filled with performances like his post that you seem to think is "sincere". It's anything but. It looks constructed and fake.
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On February 24 2015 15:02 Snarfs wrote:
You have my sword, Yamato.
Thoughts on the Shining and sicklucker's entrance so far? Is this something town does these days?
I mean, look at this stuff.
"you have my sword!!!1!1!"
yet he doesn't vote, and follows it up by asking a puffball question. ugh.
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On February 26 2015 06:02 Snarfs wrote:
Let's see... Wave parked a vote on me without actually calling me scum, Kelsier hasn't given a read on me and artanis hasn't given a read on me.
All that seems way more scummy than anything I've done.
Wave is sheeping.
The other two aren't even voting you.
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On February 26 2015 06:13 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 06:10 Snarfs wrote:On February 26 2015 06:07 Eden1892 wrote:On February 26 2015 06:04 yamato77 wrote:On February 24 2015 15:02 Snarfs wrote:
You have my sword, Yamato.
Thoughts on the Shining and sicklucker's entrance so far? Is this something town does these days? I mean, look at this stuff. "you have my sword!!!1!1!" yet he doesn't vote, and follows it up by asking a puffball question. ugh. ...ok, that's actually pretty sensible. I don't agree with your reading him as insincere though. Call me a sucker I guess but I really don't see what he's done that is improbably town. If we just accept that he's not the best townie by TL mafia standards then most of this pretty much disappears tbh. I really need you to tell me why you're so sure Wave is town though before I can consider going anywhere else today. @Snarfs lol no I'm probably not lynching Artanis today. I'm not all that suspicious of him and I don't think there's any traction for that. I really think it has to be Wave I got excited when both yamato and I said the same thing about Tormented at the same time. Hence the sword comment. ^c'mon guys, how is that not credible? And holy shit yamato how are you voting this guy when he mindmelded with you on Tormented early in the game. He noticed the same thing you did and posted it at the same time. C'mon
Really doesn't mean much tbh
I have meta reasons but I don't feel like quoting all the stuff I read from his previous games.
He's playing how he plays as mafia. As town he's much more direct.
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From Nomination:
On February 07 2013 08:44 Snarfs wrote:All right, so here are my thoughts: 1) On VE: My vote on VE was initially because of exactly what I said - of the three people that came into the conversation, he was the quickest to abandon it when things got heated. Now, he claims that he was commuting and I can't exactly dispute that. But since then, I've had no reason to move my vote off of him. Look at the way he's saying things. Who is he even pressuring? Read through his filter and try to figure out who he's pushing. Palmar!? We're not lynching Palmar day 1, why waste time? As for the other people VE is "pressuring", there's no vindication. Phagga? Nope. yamato? Maybe, I can't really tell. When VE is town, he pushes people. He pushes them hard to determine their alignment and it's obvious he's pushing people. I think this is scum VE. 2) In response to Mr. Cheesecake: Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 04:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:==SNIP== SnarfsBeen playing super neutral so far and non confrontational. Example: On February 06 2013 14:38 Snarfs wrote:
I could point out that it looks like one or both of you are purposefully being stubborn to try to draw reactions out of scum, possibly some sort of trap, but I don't know either of you well enough to give you that much credit. If you CAN do something, then you do it. This post serves no purpose other than to illustrate that either Oats or Mocsta could be stubborn for "possibly" some sort of trap, but then says he doesn't have enough information. I was just saying what was on my mind. I was hoping by adding the "but" part of things someone else who knew these players would chime in. There are a lot of new faces here for me, and I apologize for not making it more clear that I was looking for some input from someone else. Either way, the point I was getting across was that it was not scummy that they were arguing like that. Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 16:22 Snarfs wrote:On February 06 2013 15:33 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2013 15:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
Mocsta I'm intrigued by your posts regarding the nomination phase. However I'm going to suggest/request that you save it for AFTER the dawn phase of D2 so that scum aren't given instructions on how you're going to view nominees they put up. It's going to be clear enough after D2 because we're going to have to lynch into their choices - but if we can go all of D1 without speculating on who and why scum will send up D2 I think that's going to be a net gain for town. I disagree. On February 06 2013 12:04 Mocsta wrote:
The choices scum have for nomination will be based on the status quo of the ODD days; so it is paramount to consider ODD day play for EVEN day nomination. Having said that, I am going to hold off further strategy talk due to: fuck all people online. Need some others to contribute. @SnarfWhat do you make of VE wanting to bury all nomination mechanic talk till the nominations are released? I think it's a null tell. Town would do it if they wanted to shift the focus off of WIFOM. Scum would do it if they thought it was in town's best interests to be talking about the setup. I've personally never cared for too much setup speculation as most of my scum hunting success has come from observing what they actually do, not guessing at what they should be doing. Another null tell. I was just answering the question that was asked. Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 14:34 Snarfs wrote:On February 06 2013 14:27 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey Snarfs,
Do you have any conclusions about the 'discussion' between me and Mocsta relating to our alignments/ Not really being swayed either way. Looks like standard day 1 banter. The only real stance he had on someone is VE, but the only justification is for his "disappearing act". Snarfs has had plenty of time to justify his vote, but all I see is "lol people were shouting in thread you weren't there must be scum". Apart from that, the only thing he's done is talk about WIFOM crap. Snarfs plz do something instead of trying to be all blendy and stuff, k? ==SNIP== Please read my first point and if this comment still stands feel free to rephrase it or ask again. 3) On Mocsta: It looks like most of the votes on Mocsta are based on meta (correct me if I'm wrong, please: Oats, yamato, JX). Now, from the case that yamato makes, my biggest issue is that the tone between NMM XXXV (the referenced scum game) and this game is quite different. In the referenced game, he is quite unabrasive. He is questioning people but he's not actually showing any emotion, as in this game. Compare: Show nested quote +
I appreciate the sense of energy you are giving back to this thread, and I certainly do not want to deter that; town needs this energy.
BUT.. you are almost sounding "paranoid" - I know this, because after my last game, many assumed I was "paranoid".
I think we both want the same thing, a town environment where people can voice their opinion and join together for the scum hunt.
When you say "it seems fair since people like you are jumping in to defend him pretty fast"; that alienates participants from wanting to contribute.
You are actually creating an environment scum can thrive in with that attitude - even though I doubt that is your intention.
I ask that you please think about the above.
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Oats you have an uncanny ability to read a wall of text and focus on one word in that paragraph.
You sound like a whiny chick to me, who hears one word she doesnt like, and zones off to everything else.
I AM NOT SETUP SPECULATING. The fuckn setup is 9 town, 4 mafia.
I am saying we need to make scum work hard to become read as town,
I am saying good play Day1 is to emphasise quality posts, and avoid being a lurker
I am saying, bad play Day1, is going to make nominations for scum in Day2 much fuckn easier.
Quote 1 sounds all nice and blendy in. Quote 2 is.. not. This meta argument is not convincing enough to sway me to change my vote.
lolol it's the dude's formula.
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On February 26 2015 06:24 KelsierSC wrote:Yamato can you explain this process to me. So your main scum read was Tormented right, who is voting on snarfs with you. Ok I can let that go if you have like a sudden reason to town read tormented. Your reason to townread tormented is Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 03:15 yamato77 wrote:
I like damdred's posts about Snarfs. Dude has been seriously fishy this whole game.
For one, I'm pretty sure Node is town. For two, the way he's sort of just landed on Kels makes me highly suspicious. If someone has to bait you into voting them, it looks bad.
Kelsier looks a lot better now than when I initially voted him. Snarfs looks worse. Artanis looks better, even if he's ununnecessarily fixated on me. Tormented is at least trying, to an extent.
Right now I kinda want to lynch Snarfs. Ever since his first big post, I've had him down as solidly scummy but I've sat on it and waited. He never really got better.
##Vote: Snarfs Firstly is he reeally trying, I don't get that impression. I can't remember one decent thing he has done. He even says. Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 15:59 _Tormented_ wrote:
lol whatever, I am not mafia and you will see that, but I see no reason to post again since everything I say apparently gets twisted around to be mafia. This is not someone trying. Furthermore you actually don't scum read him for his activity. You scum read him for his fluffy questions, and trying to blend in. Show nested quote +On February 24 2015 14:59 yamato77 wrote:So I guess no one is going to play along and actually look at tormented with any sort of scrutiny, I might as well just post my suspicions now and gauge reaction. Only two people have actually commented on his alignment to any degree, and both of them like the fact that he asked some questions. Mkay. Sure. However, when one looks at his filter it just seems like someone who simply wants to blend in. Many of his early game posts are completely fluff and serve no purpose. He spends time talking about: RNG On February 24 2015 09:40 _Tormented_ wrote:
Probulous is right, no sense wasting what will almost definitely be a town lynch. Most day 1s I have been a part of provide some information, but I imagine on a forum like this one the information will either be much greater or much more hidden. On February 24 2015 10:13 _Tormented_ wrote:On February 24 2015 10:06 Probulous wrote:On February 24 2015 10:02 Eden1892 wrote:On February 24 2015 09:31 Probulous wrote:Precisely  Just getting the ball rolling. You still haven't answered my question, what does it mean to you? To me it means nothing, hence I asked the question. As for random lynch, over my dead body. We are statistically more likely to get town and more importantly it provides cover for scum to avoid scumhunting in Day 1. No point in wasting a whole day waiting for a lynch that gives us no information. [citation needed] On February 24 2015 09:48 Half the Sky wrote:
So which cell are you Artanis?
Also how dirty is your mind going to get this game? Do I want to know? yes let's get dirty this game  ROFL, what I meant was with 10 townies and 3 mafia, there is a much higher chance on lynching town if the lynch is completely randomised. Eden, what makes you "bad" at this game? I would argue that there is a higher chance of lynching town if it is NOT random, but then you would lose out on any information. The theory behind this is that the mafia know each other and the town do not (on average). This leads to mafia not only have a numbers advantage in that there is a higher chance that town get lynched, but they will also work together to absolutely make sure one of their own do not die day one. Granted I am sure they screw up from time to time and do get lynched day 1, but to say that there is a higher chance of lynching town at random, I believe that to be false. On February 24 2015 10:19 _Tormented_ wrote:
lol, well my post is wrong...at least in non newbie games on here. Sarcasm On February 24 2015 10:02 _Tormented_ wrote:On February 24 2015 10:00 Eden1892 wrote:On February 24 2015 09:03 Snarfs wrote:
So, not recognizing the following names:
3) Half the Sky
4) sicklucker
5) Tronak
7) _Tormented_
9) The Shining
10) Eden1892
12) Damdred
I'm curious who the new new players are and how much experience each of the listed people has. Should help me get an idea of what to expect as far as town/mafia capabilities are concerned. I've never played this game on TL and I am really bad at it in other venues Trying to out sarcasm damdred? On February 24 2015 10:10 _Tormented_ wrote:On February 24 2015 10:03 Eden1892 wrote:On February 24 2015 10:02 _Tormented_ wrote:On February 24 2015 10:00 Eden1892 wrote:On February 24 2015 09:03 Snarfs wrote:
So, not recognizing the following names:
3) Half the Sky
4) sicklucker
5) Tronak
7) _Tormented_
9) The Shining
10) Eden1892
12) Damdred
I'm curious who the new new players are and how much experience each of the listed people has. Should help me get an idea of what to expect as far as town/mafia capabilities are concerned. I've never played this game on TL and I am really bad at it in other venues Trying to out sarcasm damdred? Testing my Bluff rank. Looks like the DC was too high to be meaningful hmm yeah you were probably missing something critical for your success. And he asks this stupid question: On February 24 2015 10:40 _Tormented_ wrote:
@yamato what makes you support Artanis for mayor? Especially without hearing anyone else even lobby for it yet. Which probulous gives him credit for. eeeehhhhh Other posts are also just "general information" sort of posts that have little to do with the game. His only "reads" post is this gem: On February 24 2015 11:13 _Tormented_ wrote:
lol fine, here ya go before I have to leave work. Take it for what you will.
Player List
1) Probulous (filter) - town
2) Artanis[Xp] (filter) - town or overly aggressive mafia
3) Half the Sky (filter) - town
4) sicklucker (filter) - town
5) Tronak (filter) - no clue
6) Yamato77 (filter) - mafia
7) _Tormented_ (filter) - town
8) Node (filter) - no clue
9) The Shining (filter) - no clue
10) Eden1892 (filter) - either mafia or he is just being obtuse for no reason
11) WaveofShadow (filter) - no clue
12) Damdred (filter) - town
13) snarfs (filter) - no clue It's believable enough that he "accidentally" called sicklucker town but it's also possible he simply outed himself. Either way, these reads are weak and also evident of thread sentiment. Artanis and I are the only people with fingers pointed at us in the thread, and his reads reflect that rather perfectly. On February 24 2015 11:22 _Tormented_ wrote:
Not to mention he completely avoids giving any reason for it In response to me voting him after that post, he says this. Ironic, given that he's given exactly 0 reasons for any of his reads. In the mean time, I'll simply assume they are fabricated and designed to be inconspicuous, like my impression of them would assert. Notably, he thinks I'm mafia and that I'm OMGUSing him but yet I'm the one who voted him and he has yet to place his. It's not an amazing read, but it's more interesting to me than anything else that has happened thus far. I have yet to read Probulous' case on Damdred but in general I tend to listen to my own reads day 1 more than I trust other people's cases. My initial impression of damdred is that he is playing somewhat different from how I remember but that doesn't mean much with my absence from the game. Can you explan this please
It's precisely because of posts like the one you quote where he shows his frustration with the game that proves he's trying, at least to an extent. It's not working for him but he is doing things. It's a departure from how he started the game. I'm willing to let him pass. It's not an amazing townread, but the scumread was never that strong and far too tentative to really take to lynch.
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On February 26 2015 06:31 Probulous wrote:
Wave, can you just answer me why you are voting for Snarfs?
Your reasoning makes 0 sense, it's a blatant sheep as far as I can tell.
There's nothing scummy about sheeping townreads. It's actually really good play if you don't have great reads.
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On February 26 2015 06:31 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 06:24 yamato77 wrote:From Nomination: On February 07 2013 08:44 Snarfs wrote:All right, so here are my thoughts: 1) On VE: My vote on VE was initially because of exactly what I said - of the three people that came into the conversation, he was the quickest to abandon it when things got heated. Now, he claims that he was commuting and I can't exactly dispute that. But since then, I've had no reason to move my vote off of him. Look at the way he's saying things. Who is he even pressuring? Read through his filter and try to figure out who he's pushing. Palmar!? We're not lynching Palmar day 1, why waste time? As for the other people VE is "pressuring", there's no vindication. Phagga? Nope. yamato? Maybe, I can't really tell. When VE is town, he pushes people. He pushes them hard to determine their alignment and it's obvious he's pushing people. I think this is scum VE. 2) In response to Mr. Cheesecake: On February 07 2013 04:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:==SNIP== SnarfsBeen playing super neutral so far and non confrontational. Example: On February 06 2013 14:38 Snarfs wrote:
I could point out that it looks like one or both of you are purposefully being stubborn to try to draw reactions out of scum, possibly some sort of trap, but I don't know either of you well enough to give you that much credit. If you CAN do something, then you do it. This post serves no purpose other than to illustrate that either Oats or Mocsta could be stubborn for "possibly" some sort of trap, but then says he doesn't have enough information. I was just saying what was on my mind. I was hoping by adding the "but" part of things someone else who knew these players would chime in. There are a lot of new faces here for me, and I apologize for not making it more clear that I was looking for some input from someone else. Either way, the point I was getting across was that it was not scummy that they were arguing like that. On February 06 2013 16:22 Snarfs wrote:On February 06 2013 15:33 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2013 15:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
Mocsta I'm intrigued by your posts regarding the nomination phase. However I'm going to suggest/request that you save it for AFTER the dawn phase of D2 so that scum aren't given instructions on how you're going to view nominees they put up. It's going to be clear enough after D2 because we're going to have to lynch into their choices - but if we can go all of D1 without speculating on who and why scum will send up D2 I think that's going to be a net gain for town. I disagree. On February 06 2013 12:04 Mocsta wrote:
The choices scum have for nomination will be based on the status quo of the ODD days; so it is paramount to consider ODD day play for EVEN day nomination. Having said that, I am going to hold off further strategy talk due to: fuck all people online. Need some others to contribute. @SnarfWhat do you make of VE wanting to bury all nomination mechanic talk till the nominations are released? I think it's a null tell. Town would do it if they wanted to shift the focus off of WIFOM. Scum would do it if they thought it was in town's best interests to be talking about the setup. I've personally never cared for too much setup speculation as most of my scum hunting success has come from observing what they actually do, not guessing at what they should be doing. Another null tell. I was just answering the question that was asked. On February 06 2013 14:34 Snarfs wrote:On February 06 2013 14:27 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey Snarfs,
Do you have any conclusions about the 'discussion' between me and Mocsta relating to our alignments/ Not really being swayed either way. Looks like standard day 1 banter. The only real stance he had on someone is VE, but the only justification is for his "disappearing act". Snarfs has had plenty of time to justify his vote, but all I see is "lol people were shouting in thread you weren't there must be scum". Apart from that, the only thing he's done is talk about WIFOM crap. Snarfs plz do something instead of trying to be all blendy and stuff, k? ==SNIP== Please read my first point and if this comment still stands feel free to rephrase it or ask again. 3) On Mocsta: It looks like most of the votes on Mocsta are based on meta (correct me if I'm wrong, please: Oats, yamato, JX). Now, from the case that yamato makes, my biggest issue is that the tone between NMM XXXV (the referenced scum game) and this game is quite different. In the referenced game, he is quite unabrasive. He is questioning people but he's not actually showing any emotion, as in this game. Compare:
I appreciate the sense of energy you are giving back to this thread, and I certainly do not want to deter that; town needs this energy.
BUT.. you are almost sounding "paranoid" - I know this, because after my last game, many assumed I was "paranoid".
I think we both want the same thing, a town environment where people can voice their opinion and join together for the scum hunt.
When you say "it seems fair since people like you are jumping in to defend him pretty fast"; that alienates participants from wanting to contribute.
You are actually creating an environment scum can thrive in with that attitude - even though I doubt that is your intention.
I ask that you please think about the above.
vs.
Oats you have an uncanny ability to read a wall of text and focus on one word in that paragraph.
You sound like a whiny chick to me, who hears one word she doesnt like, and zones off to everything else.
I AM NOT SETUP SPECULATING. The fuckn setup is 9 town, 4 mafia.
I am saying we need to make scum work hard to become read as town,
I am saying good play Day1 is to emphasise quality posts, and avoid being a lurker
I am saying, bad play Day1, is going to make nominations for scum in Day2 much fuckn easier.
Quote 1 sounds all nice and blendy in. Quote 2 is.. not. This meta argument is not convincing enough to sway me to change my vote. lolol it's the dude's formula. C'mon man, you don't get to call me bad over and over and then post the quotes and call it a "formula" without walking me through it like I'm five. Which is to say I still don't follow. 
He loves to post these really long posts that look like he's contributing to the game, when in actuality they say very little or give baby-size reads. His strongest read in the quote of mine is a read on VE, WHO IS HIS MAFIA TEAMMATE. Lol.
His post this game is a carbon-copy. Insert bold names here, talk about them in vague ways, conclude very little.
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On February 26 2015 06:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
It is a blatant sheep
You better be town you fucker.
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On February 26 2015 06:51 KelsierSC wrote:
people are not voting SL and I don't know why
Snarfs case is better.
SL is like a plynch tbh
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