VII Titanic Mini Mafia: I Have a Cunning Plan...

On February 12 2015 04:49 IAmRobik wrote:

ugh. this is probably a good idea. SKs ruin games

On February 13 2015 11:10 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Gonna start in about 27 hours, I need to schedule around a hackathon I'll be overnighting at Saturday-Sunday.

On February 14 2015 07:19 IAmRobik wrote:

angry sex

On February 14 2015 09:37 LightningStrike wrote:

Bad puppy don't think that dirty -.-

On February 15 2015 00:32 Palmar wrote:

Have I ever mentioned how much LightningStrike is my favorite person on TL?

On February 14 2015 17:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like you never claim miller. Never. As town. Period.
You get lynched if you do.

On February 15 2015 03:45 prplhz wrote:
hey puppy!

what do you think about fecalfeast?

On February 15 2015 03:53 prplhz wrote:
it's saturday night where is everybody if not at their computers playing mafia

On February 14 2015 16:08 Half the Sky wrote:


This is generally how I play town. I've played with you before.

And Ritoky might have a point here. You don't seem comfortable here.

But even if you aren't comfortable with me, why not interact with the others?

On February 15 2015 04:22 rsoultin wrote:
Waffling on a player is interesting enough anyway, but when you're not interacting with anyone?

1. HtS is mafia because she claimed miller and they're unaware...maybe?
2. Claiming miller is a town move and you're going to claim miller. (Is this an official claim, or what? And if you're miller and going to claim, then it follows that millers are aware, so what's with the first post?)
3. You don't like this post by HtS because it's "strange."

What's your conclusion, Puppy, or do we have to wait for you to finish discussing it with yourself first?

On February 15 2015 04:54 rsoultin wrote:


I have an issue that you can't seem to make up your mind from post to post...or rather are making post after post without your read going anywhere. ^^ What's the point of that?

And lol xP you seem to be really stretching for that evaluation of her post. I find it strange that she accepts another player's judgment on FF's comfort level with the thread and gets into a "you're not comfortable" "yes I am" argument back and forth with FF, not any silliness you were posting about xP

On February 15 2015 05:39 IAmRobik wrote:
I'm supposed to be getting town vibes from Eden because of a lack of trolling but his "real" posts just seem forced

On February 15 2015 05:44 ritoky wrote:


and how should I be reading you?

On February 15 2015 07:11 ritoky wrote:
how is no one else bothered by rsoultin's excessive use of smiley faces and copious quantities of unnecessary adjectives?

On February 15 2015 08:19 Superbia wrote:
Puppy how comfortable are you calling me town? Were you in the Imperial Game? Or whichever one you referred to.

On February 15 2015 08:20 Superbia wrote:


Then why are you using that game for reference?

On February 15 2015 09:25 liancourt wrote:
Yes. We don't lose naything by lynching VA. Same goes for the 3 ppl that will die n1 hahhaha

On February 15 2015 10:28 rsoultin wrote:


Why are so many of your posts focusing on the percent chance VA is mafia and praising BH, yet you're voting for KSC?

On February 15 2015 10:38 Blazinghand wrote:


I'm the natural choice. I've made a solid case and gathered support for it. Nobody else has a read or a case with my level of conviction.

On February 15 2015 10:55 Blazinghand wrote:

how many votes you got boyo



nope

On February 15 2015 10:59 prplhz wrote:
@Puppy

On February 15 2015 10:59 rsoultin wrote:


Hardly a bogus charge. You've posted several posts now townreading people, saying that BH's RNG is getting better and better...including directly after that large KSC post. It seems really disconnected to me, even for you xP Also, KSC isn't making my town list, but your arguments for scumreading him were pretty weak when compared to his filter.

On February 15 2015 11:04 liancourt wrote:
Nah he can just die

On February 15 2015 11:26 ritoky wrote:


The vast majority of it is "I don't agree with his reads" and predicated on HtS being lock clear town for you. That's great, HtS isn't lock clear town and disagreeing with reads doesn't qualify a case as "great". So yes it is weak.

On February 15 2015 11:24 rsoultin wrote:


RNGesus?

I don't see anything particularly alignment-indicative in KSC's filter. It's short. It's Valentine's Day.

What makes KSC scum about thinking that VA may be rolling over to deny town information if he's mafia?

The lian read was kinda weird, imo, as a "too scummy to be scum" sorta deal, cause not sure how that translates to top town, but that wasn't part of your case.

And I don't understand your HtS point at all? Is the argument that she's the only one who has claimed? If KSC isn't reading her as "top town" then why does it matter if he thinks she shouldn't be townreading him yet?

The case is just inconclusive.

On February 15 2015 11:56 rsoultin wrote:


You don't see anything wrong with HTS claiming miller and saying she's doing it because of marv last game, when you explicitly know the circumstances of that claim since you instigated it, and there is absolutely no parallel between that and this game?

Lol, my BS meter, Eden xP

On February 15 2015 12:45 prplhz wrote:
can anybody explain this hts miller business to me because i don't understand it at all

On February 15 2015 13:29 rsoultin wrote:


I find it null, and I don't like most of the rest of her play, Eden.

1. I've seen hosts run more than one miller, and this is a 17p game. Debunked.
2. Debunked because of 1. Also, there being the potential of more than one miller makes the play less risky.
3. Debunked because of 1 and 2.
4. Debunked because of 2 (I'm not sure if she takes risks much as scum, having only seen her scum game once.)
5. Not a point if the first 4 aren't valid.
6. See 5.

You are not seeing the difference between a 17 player game were HtS claimed miller instantly and there could legitimately be more than one miller in the game, vice a 13 player game where marv was townread for CCing a miller claim which genuinely did run a high chance of seeing him lynched if he was scum fake-claiming.

That neither you nor HtS understand this is frankly mind-boggling to me >< and why I think you're full of it.

On February 15 2015 14:02 rsoultin wrote:


I'm reading it "uncharitably" because it is the premise you're using to argue that KSC is scum, and because HtS' excuse for claiming miller (marv did it so it must be the ideal play) is inherently false if you were in the game, and you were xP There were multiple millers in Carol, which was a little bigger than this, but not by much.

Giving someone a hard townread for a miller claim just does not make sense. Even marv's claim, which was objectively way more townie, you questioned, so yeah, of course it seems like BS to me when you're accepting hers on faith -_-

The VA thing with KSC just doesn't read as alignment-indicative to me. I'd be just as happy to vote VA with BH as KSC with you; that's how little impact it makes.

I'd be just as happy to vote VA with BH as KSC with you; that's how little impact it makes.

(1) Blazinghand - rsoultin

On February 15 2015 14:18 Half the Sky wrote:


I need to look more fully into your case, but off the cuff, I am inclined to take his inactivity in of itself as NAI. He announced his engagement to his GF of 4 years in the Void game, so I'm willing to bet that V-Day took a huge chunk of his time away from playing.

On February 16 2015 05:37 LightningStrike wrote:

BlazingHand claimed Jail Keeper.

On February 16 2015 05:39 LightningStrike wrote:

Did you just counter claim him?

On February 16 2015 05:41 LightningStrike wrote:

If BH flips Jail Keeper you're going to the pound

On February 16 2015 05:44 KelsierSC wrote:
Puppy what do you think about VA right now?

On February 16 2015 05:49 KelsierSC wrote:


he sort of did with his, "let's consolidate, there is no one better, lets lynch VA!"

I don't know man I was just wondering what you thought about VA independently of BH claiming but I guess you can't look back without being booty blinded

On February 16 2015 08:03 IAmRobik wrote:

You are scum. You don't like being scum. You see someone claim (basically) medic. You come in, claim medic. Get him lynched, trade yourself 1 for 1 and then mafia can kill whoever the fuck they want moving forward. It's not a grade trade, but it's not terrible. Especially considering the fact that there are way too many mafia/sk already and town basically has no chance of winning

On February 16 2015 08:14 liancourt wrote:
well if tp isn't scum vig can always shoot bh n1.

##unvote
##vote Town puppy

On February 16 2015 08:24 liancourt wrote:
the way i see it both of them are going to die n1, but it'd be nice if vig didn't have to waste his bullet on obvious scum and we can lynch scum as town.

On February 16 2015 08:35 liancourt wrote:
If i were jk I would have waited until d2 to CC. Someone on n1 would know that they have been JKed

"Every night you can visit someone and save them from any and all killing actions for that night. The target will not be able to perform any actions for that night. Target will know they have been roleblocked. "

OFC RB can also do this as well

"Once per night you can silence a player by being so unintelligible that they forget what they were doing. Players will know if they have been roleblocked. You can also borrow the Janitor's Garlic if you so intend (see below)."

2 players will be roleblocked. JK can claim who he rbed. The other person will claim who the RB rbed. The one who was rbed by the RB will most likely be town unless the rb one of their teammates.

Why CC now really....TP is scum guys

On February 16 2015 10:55 IAmRobik wrote:
hey eden.

1) what if you're both town?
2) what are your reads other than BH is lying?

On February 16 2015 10:58 rsoultin wrote:


I can definitely see a difference, just as I can see a difference between your play this game and your town play from Horn. (Granted, I think you're trying to be less spammy, but it's like night and day.) What I don't understand is why you CCd immediately if you're actually the JK. If you know that you know that you know that BH is lying because you're the JK, then why not reserve that so that you can still use your abilities later? It's not a good play as town and I'm struggling to understand why you would do it now ><

Like, if it were me, I'd target him as JK and see if that effected the night kills, lol.

On February 16 2015 11:04 liancourt wrote:
tp's the goon so it'd be pointless jking him. Why would the RB/jan/GF CC, that is absurd

On February 16 2015 11:13 Blazinghand wrote:
I've been paying attention to TP's play.

To an extent, I've been trying ot understand his claim. Why would he do that? It makes almost as little sense as me claiming JK as scum would. For me to claim and get put on the block like this as scum would be an error since I'm a skilled player and probably MVP of any scumteam I'm on. TP isn't as good so it might be more worth it, especially in a trade for me, but... why not just shoot me, as he said? No, the more I think about it, the more I realize that TP would have to be even more not-on-my-level to claim as he did.

But then I realized: TP is so obviously below my level, there's no way he's scum. His scum-team-mates wouldn't let him do this, and he wouldn't even try. A 1-for-1 would only count in a situation that's not where he would get lynched first (and that's where things are going; I'm a much better arguer than him). He and his scummates would KNOW that he's not on my level. They wouldn't try this.

The only explanation that makes sense is that... we must have 2 JKs. It's stupid and our hosts are awful for doing this, but even TP and his scummates must be aware how weak TP is comapred to me in terms of knowledge, skill, and convincing power. As a sacrificial lamb he's not cut out for this strat.

We're both town. We're both JKs. By admitting this, I am basically conceding that I'm going to get lynched, since I won't push him further and will unvote him. I won't succeed in convincing the 2 JK setup, because the only explanaiton for doulble JK is that the HOSTS aren't on my level. They don't know how to balance.

By stopping pushing TP, I am probably letting myself die.

But when I die and flip JK, don't lynch TP. He's also a JK.

When I flip, don't lynch him.

Liancourt knows we're both town. How? Well, he must be scum, and trying to profit after the 2nd one of us flips JK.

Liancourt is the scum. He knows too much. His knowledge doesn't make sense.

After I die, DO NOT lynch TP. lynch Liancourt.

TP is a JK.

Sigh.

##unvote
##vote Liancourt

Palmar, where are you?

On February 16 2015 11:18 liancourt wrote:
I like to play devil's advocate.

When everyone says yes, there has to be that 1 person that says no and analyze everything in favor of it being no. It's a coin flip really. Total wifom. I can uderstand tp claiming and yet i don't understand why he would put himself to his death. 1 for 1 is good for town? Why not survive and use your superior analysis and help town in later days and lynch scum. You know BH is scum them you can see who he is defending and see who he is pushing and who he is out right ignoring. When you die later town will automatically know BH is scum so why CC? You could have been more useful being alive and having that JK power and your power of analysis, why would you give all that up and just die n1? i really just don't understand.

On February 16 2015 11:22 Blazinghand wrote:
TP, you'll thank me after I flip for my foresight-- whether gleefully as scum or sadly as town. You're not even close to on my level, either because you're so bad you CCed as scum when it made no sense, or you can't see the truth of this matter.

On February 16 2015 11:31 Blazinghand wrote:


We won't, so it's not a valid question. Anyone who pushes a lynch on Eden is the same as pushing a lynch on me. We're both JKs.

On February 16 2015 11:34 IAmRobik wrote:
Eden sounds so fucking scummy. Every single one of his posts sounds so fucking fake. And his "oh what happened someone claimed? oh, omg bh claimed my role" puke. Also his participation this game has been whack as well. He should be mad that people are doubting him, but he doesn't seem that mad. He's still joking constantly and making sarcastic posts. I really think that he rolled mafia and wants out of the game. I'm sure that IRL circumstances are playing a part in this decision and I really think that he's scum. madofinadsoifnosdinfosidn

On February 16 2015 11:35 Blazinghand wrote:


Not relevant. I'm getting lynched regardless. Ask me questions about reads and cases. For the record though, the name for my role is Lord Percy Percy.

On February 16 2015 11:37 IAmRobik wrote:

I'm very much not in the background. I'm the one driving discussion right now bitch. And the more you call me mafia the more I'm gonna omgus you and get people to swap to you because I'm so fucking painfully town.

On February 16 2015 11:39 Blazinghand wrote:


Tell me about your Liancourt townread. I'll tell you about my scumread. Liancourt has flipflopped on us, see? Now you know YOU are the JK, so you think he's just unsure. But imagine I'm ALSO the JK, see? Now Liancourt looks REALLY good after I die, then with my dying breath ask for YOUR death. He was the one who said "neither of them make sense as fakeclaimers" and he comes out looking town. But how would someone guess that unless they KNEW we were both town? Does that make sense?

On February 16 2015 11:44 IAmRobik wrote:
##vote: town puppy

how's this for fraudulent

On February 16 2015 11:50 IAmRobik wrote:

You do realize I have one of the longest filters in the game? And I haven't fillered at all. So like, feel free to justify your bullshit claim

On February 16 2015 11:53 IAmRobik wrote:

You know how I know you're mafia? I don't remember any of your reads and thus I don't agree with any of them. You know what happens when you're town? You're so fucking obvious to me. You're not obvious town this game. Your tone is off and you're not pushing your reads. You're the one who has coasted and you've done jack shit since you claimed besides call BH obvious mafia for claiming your role and call me mafia. I've been analyzing everything and have made all of my thoughts super fucking clear. It's possible I'm wrong, but I don't think that's the case.

On February 16 2015 12:03 LightningStrike wrote:
Ya Robik is town because how mad he is :O

On February 16 2015 12:10 Superbia wrote:


I skimmed the thread to find out what has happened. I'm still catching up with actual reading.

I had a scum-lean on puppy before, so that will have to suffice as an answer for the moment. Why are you asking this question?

On February 16 2015 12:14 ritoky wrote:
but

##vote: town puppy

my only two town reads think so, and I think he is more likely scum of the 2

On February 16 2015 12:17 Breshke wrote:
TP why do you just shutdown BH's post about there being a possible 2 JK's. If you arn't up to date with the game why is it impossible for you to think if you are town BH could also be town.

I could understand this if you had been scum reading him beforehand but you haven't in fact you seemed to be happy to go along with his RNG lynch for a while so you couldn't have thought he was that scummy.

If BH had never claimed or had claimed a different role would you be scum reading him right now?

On February 16 2015 12:18 IAmRobik wrote:
Eden & BH, before this situation, who were each of you considering jailing n1?

On February 16 2015 12:31 Breshke wrote:



This is all setup stuff. What do you think about BH's alignment outside of his claim?

On February 16 2015 12:34 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:

This being a Blackadder game is significant in relation to that dynamic.

That's all I can say.

On February 16 2015 12:45 Blazinghand wrote:


You were only sure because you're not as good as I am. Damn I'm still like, super impressed with myself for figuring out you're also a JK. Everything in the game, including my OWN survival, was telling me to call you scum, but I'm just TOO TALENTED.

On February 16 2015 12:50 Blazinghand wrote:


My claim didn't make sense either, but you weren't smart enough. You're an infant, mentally, compared to me. Don't worry, I'll lead you out of the darkness, child.

On February 16 2015 12:57 Blazinghand wrote:
TP/Eden, you're talking about this series of posts?

On February 16 2015 13:06 Blazinghand wrote:


This to me looks suspicious in a vaguely similar way that liancourt's would. Again, scum would KNOW we're both JKs, right? So scum would want to seem hesitant and like, "oh, I'm voting BH but I could easily see that it's really TP" as a setup to vote you tomorrow. However, I consider that to be less of a scumtell than liancourt's maneuvering, which is "I think neither of thes epeople make sense as scum but I'll vote one of them anyways" which sets him up to look REALLY good after the double JK flip. like, REALLY good if he hadn't been caught.

I buy, however, rsoultin's confusion about your CC of me, just because s/he may not understand the POV of a blue. Worth looking into and pressuring, but I think the liancourt case is stronger.

On February 16 2015 13:13 Blazinghand wrote:
Updated Vote Count

BH (6) - Half the Sky, VayneAuthority, liancourt, rsoultin, KelsierSC, prplhz
liancourt (6) - Blazinghand, iamrobik, lightningstrike, FecalFeast, Ritoky, Breshke
Town Puppy (1) -, Alakasla
raynpelikoneet (1) - Palmar
lightningstrike (1): superbia
rsoultin (1) - Town puppy
Half the Sky (1) - raynpelikoneet

I'm fairly sure this is correct but not 100%. Also I'm pretty sure Im still getting lynche >:{


roughly speaking.

Half the Sky, VA, liancourt, rsoultin, KSC, prplhz, Slam, are all currently voting for claimed blues who are as close to modconfirmed as we can get

On February 16 2015 13:16 Blazinghand wrote:


I get what you're getting at with rso. I guess mafia could be confused and think one of us is a cop or a really confused/angry VT or something, but here's what mafia knows that we don't know: Mafia knows that out of the 2 of us, BOTH of us are not mafia. Also, SK wouldn't pull shit like this D1 so mafia can be reasonably sure we're both town. Would mafia know we're both JKs? maybe, maybe not. But the important thing here is mafia knows that the most probably thing to happen, and the thing that was definitely gonna happen until I told people not to lynch you after I flip, was that one of us flips, then the other, cause we're both town.

Now, let's say rsoultin is Mafia. She knows that you and I are both town, and we have both claimed JK. She has been voting you, but she COULD swap to me. Now, I'm the one getting lynched, not you. IF she stays on you, and I flip JK, what happens? Well, she looks good! She says, "wow guys, why didn't you listen to me, we should have lynched Eden/TP" and then lynches you tomorrow. As Mafia, rsoultin would have no real reason to swap to me, right?

On February 16 2015 13:26 rsoultin wrote:
Lol, Eden, you're tunneling the shit out of me cause I haven't been in your corner this game xP You didn't figure me out as scum last game at all, so why would I be so scared of you to go out of my way to bury you this one if I rolled mafia again?

##unvote
##vote: lian

Is there anything more to this lian vote than the idea that he knew too much?

##unvote
##vote: lian

Is there anything more to this lian vote than the idea that he knew too much?

##vote: lian

Is there anything more to this lian vote

On February 16 2015 13:30 Blazinghand wrote:


In this situation, what we do is have a little rolecall of people willing to swap.

Here we go:

Anyone willing to lynch Rsoultin over Liancourt if we have enough to make it stick, please type

@@willing: Rsoultin

This way, we know how many are willing before we take a risk and move over.

On February 16 2015 13:32 Superbia wrote:
30s meta-god-read. RSO is town.

On February 16 2015 13:50 liancourt wrote:


because he is scum his reasons on me are bad and looked desperate as fuck what more do you need.

He managed to switch thread sentiment around and get a wagon on me which wasnt possible on TP

open ur eyes

On February 16 2015 13:56 Superbia wrote:
So if lian is scum, RSO is town. Agreed?

On February 16 2015 13:56 IAmRobik wrote:
STAY THE COURSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On February 16 2015 14:06 liancourt wrote:
I'll see you 3 gentlemen in obs tar tar gl hf

On February 16 2015 14:17 Blazinghand wrote:

He thought he was correct. One thing you realize when you get to my level is that people play poorly all the time. To see through the lies and realise the truth (like that we were both JKs) takes extraordinary insight. I'm pretty amazing, is what I'm saying.

Being wrong is not against the rules. Being mistaken is not against the rules. Being stubborn and lying as town because you think you're right is not against the rules. I'm 100% willing to lie as town if I think the ends justify the means. say what you want about liancourt, he was willing to go to great lengths for his convictions, and I respect that.

On February 16 2015 14:15 Superbia wrote:
Also breshke looks pretty fucking bad now. Look at his filter and timestamps.

Perspective of mafia:
Town claiming PR (cop) and getting lynched.

Also RSO looks exceptionally bad. Literally does nothing when cop outs. LITERALLY NOTHING.

Do we have town KP?

On February 16 2015 14:44 rsoultin wrote:


And the point of this post is...?

On February 17 2015 01:30 KelsierSC wrote:
alright i'm back, LS looking through your list of questions seems kind of disjointed to me. I'm not sure why you would ask someone an opinion about someone you read as town.

Like you ask people about rsoultin, and then you townread rsoultin so you asked her about eden, but you were townreading him already, then you like palmars case but then you ask rsoultin about palmar. At the end you don't really seem to have developed anything useful and you just like ask your town reads about other town reads.

You also don't develop a single strong scum read it seems to me and just kind of sheep along the town vote. I think your mafia.

On February 17 2015 06:10 ritoky wrote:


naw I can tunnel pretty hard as either alignment, I just don't get people's jokes and can't make jokes as mafia cuz I am too angry.

plus I have an enormous town tell

anyone who doesn't have me as town is either mafia or hasn't played with me as both alignments.

On February 17 2015 06:32 ritoky wrote:


It has to do with when people call me mafia.

On February 17 2015 06:55 IAmRobik wrote:
When did you start TRing me Eden?

On February 17 2015 07:07 LightningStrike wrote:

I been townreading you for since I started to see you would do shit on the weekend when normally you CBA to do shit on the weekend :O

On February 17 2015 07:13 IAmRobik wrote:

LYNCH LS TOMORROW. DO NOT FUCKIGN QUESTION IT. JUST DO IT. I MAY NOT BE AROUND, BUT YOU HAVE ONE FUCKING MISSION AND THAT'S TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS PERSON DOES NOT SURVIVE TIL TOMORROW. I MAY OR MAY NOT EXPLAIN WHY IN POSTGAME, BUT YOU JUST HAVE TO TRUST THAT THIS READ IS ACCURATE. PALMAR -- IT'S KINDA LIKE THE READ I GAVE ON YOU IN HEAVYWEIGHT. PLEASE JUST FAITH.

On February 17 2015 08:05 IAmRobik wrote:

Trust.

On February 17 2015 09:41 Palmar wrote:
I really need to sleep now.

I liked the part where rayn said people should protect me. I'm actually enjoying this game for some reason. So pls no shooterino.

On February 17 2015 10:28 IAmRobik wrote:

I can't divulge the real reason, but it has to do with him thinking that someone is an asshole