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On February 13 2015 11:10 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Gonna start in about 27 hours, I need to schedule around a hackathon I'll be overnighting at Saturday-Sunday. nice i'm going to listen to your album in the meantime | ||
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I think VA has been pretty scummy so far. He opened up with his joke about getting town every titanic game, then his comment to HTS was kind of forced to me, like an over justification almost. Then he makes a comment that he is active around that time. On February 14 2015 14:42 VayneAuthority wrote: you could also confirm that this is my posting window as it is late night here on the east coast, where I do most of my computer time. just happens to be a good starting time for me lol Yet after the RNG comes up he just turtles up and makes his joke again about always rolling town. This kind of feels like a game I had where mafia got RNG'd day 1 and they just made a joke and then AFK'd hoping to go under the radar. Apart from that I don't have a major mafia read at this time. As for town I think lian court is likely town, He has another kind of d1 early "fuck lynch this guy" which was how he was last game I played with him. Plus he like justified pretty hard his reasons for a VA vote but then later on straight switched to FF with a very short reason. On February 14 2015 16:14 liancourt wrote: FF is playing as if he cares. It's a town tell so...he's mafia. FF might actually be mafia. ##unvote ##vote FF I feel like mafia would be more careful about their appearance and wouldn't be so jumpy so yeh lian is my biggest town so far | ||
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On February 15 2015 01:25 Half the Sky wrote: Sure. I'm leaning town on Kelsier for now. I have played with Kels as both town and scum. When he is town, he generally focuses on a few people at a time and takes sharper, more critical looks at the quotes. The one scum game I played with him was in Carol, and I recall him adding a lot of people to his town circle almost too easily. He appeared to be making a lot of generalisations on both his town and scumreads (as in not as well supported) when he was scum. His post on VA, even if it's not accurate, reads like his town games. Liancourt...I have yet to play with him as scum. He's going to be difficult for me to read, because he has his "chosen metas" in the 3-4 games I've had with him. On this game alone, he appears to have sheeped the reasons for calling FF scum. I also don't like his reasons or him mentioning that he's going to policy lynch either of VA or Palmar when he's seen those two play the way they have respectively (not doing anything and in Palmar's case, trolling) and then he's still willing to vote someone that still very likely could roll town. I specifically find this quote confusing. The "didn't meet expectations" part indicates VA should be getting read as town based on his meta, so I'm wondering why he's willing to lynch VA when he's already implicitly acknowledged where VA's read should be putting him. So I am also leaning scum on Lian. (Continuing to Sup, and VA...) I don't think you should really be leaning town on me honestly, I haven't taken a particularly sharp look at any quotes I just had my early read on VA because I didn't like how he handled the RNG. Also after the carol game it was fairly clear that just randomly calling everyone town is a horrible mafia strategy so I would never do that again as either alignment. Either way I don't like your town read of me at all at this point. Also my post on VA wasn't inaccurate. | ||
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I'm going togive my thoughts on the significant things in the thread. The HTS miller claim and subsequent play - I'm not sure of how the mechanics of a miller work out and whether or not the claim was correct however it is believable that marv mentioned something to her, a quote or something would be useful, and it is in the interest of newer players to take the advice of veterans such as marv. Since that point she has been putting input into all parts of the thread and asking a lot of questions, in my opinion some of the questions felt fluffy but it is possible that after claiming a miller role she felt she had to be a town leader and drive discussion onwards, this would also explain why she gave out lots of early reads as she felt her voice needed to be out there. For that reason I think that the miller claim was from a town perspective. The RNG on VA - I gave my thoughts on this, A lot of people have brought up that VA is lurky d1 , however the game I was in was FFL mafia, ObviousOne got RNG'd, made a joke and then AFK'd. This felt reminiscent of that so he was my early mafia read. He is a lurky player apparently so this isn't a particularly strong read I also like this post he made on BH. On February 15 2015 09:29 VayneAuthority wrote: rayn when you read this tell me how similar you find BH to his persona as Old Partner in golden sun. when I read his posts I feel like he is talking to other people and having a laugh. Reminds me of that game with how forced he is pushing this agenda with these long awful posts This is how I feel about BH at the moment. He had his RNG fun and pushed maths at us. Then again he pushed mechanics with his "lets consolidate wagons." But his solution is just to go back to his RNG lynch. I don't see any game solving or mind blowing posts despite their long length so I think BH could be scum here. Puppy's scum read on me - I really disliked his early game, he gives a lot of soft town reads. For example On February 15 2015 03:17 Town Puppy wrote: ugh Also this guy is town because his filter is already longer than it was after one cycle of play in Imperial. Using imperial d1 as any sort of basis is silly because that was on NYE and activity was very skewed, (like yesterday for me). I think it likely that superbia could be scum However it is possible that Puppy is not intelligent so maybe he is just a town that loves giving soft town reads and weak mafia cases, it is d1 no mafia case can be that strong but it is an interesting discussion point. I look at the people who agreed with the case - Breshke, prphz and liancourt. I still feel like liancourt is town, I think his wild switch onto FF felt town, he has also been pretty bloodthirsty and not really giving a fuck about his image. Breshke has been defending a lot of people, I think a common mafia tactic is to defend a lot of town but this will come back and bite him later if he is scum and he has no one left to lynch. I think prphz is the person I want to focus on the most here. On February 14 2015 23:15 prplhz wrote: no i rolled mafia so please help me with the blue hunting. for realsies? why these players? Sort of weak early questions, no real direction to them. On February 15 2015 00:26 prplhz wrote: does anybody know what's going on in this thread Going through his filter I get the impression of a lot of 'traffic directing' He makes posts along the lines of "this discussion isn't useful" or "you need to get in here and play" Yet despite all of this he has made no impact into the game. On February 15 2015 00:54 prplhz wrote: @Alakaslam can anybody on this forum actually read you and who would that person be? On February 15 2015 00:57 prplhz wrote: could you please outline why i should think palmar is top town On February 15 2015 03:45 prplhz wrote: hey puppy! what do you think about fecalfeast? more questions that don't have any follow up to them On February 15 2015 03:53 prplhz wrote: it's saturday night where is everybody if not at their computers playing mafia On February 15 2015 09:41 prplhz wrote: i have a question are you not aware the the bullshitting phase of this game is long over? more traffic direction but no substance given. And finally at the end of all that On February 15 2015 10:58 prplhz wrote: I can get aboard a KelsierSC lynch. ##Vote KelsierSC He hasn't followed up on any questions, just tried to appear town by traffic directing and then throws a random vote on me. So at this point I have 4 people I think could be scum BH,prplhz, VA maybe Super maybe. As for people I have as town right now. Liancourt,HTS,palmar,rayn, rsolutin and Breshke for now. TLDR - hts miller was town, va rng his reaction was poor but he lurks as town so not indicative apparently, BH has been hiding behind mechanics and still trying to push his va nonsense eden case on me was weak but he may be stupid. of the people jumping on the case prplhz seems scummy to me. Breshke has defended a lot of people So i'm generally caught up and going to do a bit more digging. Feel free to ask me questions about specific people. I earned a lot of brownie points yesterday so I can be at my computer a lot more. | ||
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Also it depends on what reasons rayn was townreading you for initially | ||
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Now I admit i dont have a veteran perspective on this but if he really likes the prplhz quote, which it is clear he does then i font think there is an issue with him retracting his town read. Does he actually call you scum though? Either way i dont think your case on rayn is good. He seems town to me. | ||
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On February 15 2015 19:26 Fecalfeast wrote: Im drunk and palmar is smart [B]##vote rayn[b] Can you go into more detail on what you like about palmar's case. | ||
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On February 15 2015 19:31 Palmar wrote: Yes but he later confirmed in his list post that he actually thinks I'm town. There is literally no reason for rayn to doubt I'm town at this point, the fact that I didn't try to bury him regarding the hts/robik stuff should basically give him such a strong townread on me that there is no reason to doubt it, especially the fact that I may or may not read OPs yeh don't get me wrong I believe that the case from prphlz against you was poor. But again I don't know why rayn was townreading you specifically and your case on him being scum is relying , in part, on him having strong reasons to townread you. It might be the case that rayn had just a "feel" from you but he really liked prplhz case. If that is the truth then your reason to scumread him looks kind of loose. | ||
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On February 15 2015 19:38 Palmar wrote: And I want to reiterate, while not quite marv level, rayn should at this point at least be heavily leaning town on me. Like you're assuming he has no read on me when that almost cannot be true. Go read the interaction between robik and rayn regarding hts, and then between me and rayn when I call him out about it and he ends up calling me town. tinfoil hat even says that rayn may have wanted to shut me down looking into him by trying to get me to work with him based on a "yolo-read". I think my problem is that to me it seems your case is based on the assumptions rather than me making the assumption. I just read the filter looking for his reasons to town read you and I don't see any strong ones, I saw rayn calling you town for "semi yolo reasons" To me, it seems you are the ones making assumptions by saying rayn had a strong town read on you when I don't see the evidence for that. | ||
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On February 15 2015 19:40 Palmar wrote: when I say assume he has no read, I mean that you think his read on me is way weaker than it should be. But that's also not the main point. The main point is he drops his townread on me which was based on stuff I actually posted and looked really town, based on some random point about whether or not I read OPs. I read OPs just as little when I'm mafia as when I'm town. I'm even inclined to think it's more likely I'd hide behind that as mafia (see how I eventually ended up reading it quite extensively in that pyp game) because it's an easy out. perhaps, I don't know the history between you and rayn so I am just working off the evidence I see in this game. The case regarding the OP's is terrible though. | ||
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I still don't know if I would qualify that from rayn as having you as "strong" town read, it is possible.it is also possible that HE really believes the case from prplhz against you and if I take it from his perspective then it is believable he can retract a town read on you. I don't really agree with your case palmar sorry | ||
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On February 15 2015 19:52 Palmar wrote: Well if the case regarding the OPs is terrible, why do you think rayn dropped me on his mafia -> town scale for it? So your conclusion is that rayn is just bad and town? No I think rayn is a good player. My conclusion is that people have their own metrics for town/scum reading people. I don't know you that well, I think you have been pretty towny so far and so someone calling you mafia for reading an OP looks stupid to me. However maybe rayn knows you better / puts more faith in that meta read , so he can believe that case against you. | ||
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On February 15 2015 19:56 Palmar wrote: like the best defense of rayn is that there is a guy in the thread (ksc) who made one giant post with the conclusion that 4 different people might possibly be mafia and then has spent the rest of his efforts randomly defending rayn instead of pushing any of his own ideas. well if you read my post more carefully I give my thought on everything that was significant to me and also give my thoughts on people who I think are town. The next thing that happened after my post, was you making your case on rayn, I don't think it is "random" if I want to discuss your case. I'm sorry that I cared about what you posted I guess. In my post I made a pretty clear case on prplhz and I wanted people to discuss that and we can do so now. Or you can read Superbia more thoroughly and give your case on him. I would also like FF to respond to my question on specifically, why he thinks your case is good. | ||
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On February 16 2015 00:03 Palmar wrote: I don't know, it's still weekend and I'm only semi-caught up with everything. I thought Robik looked good in the exchange regarding HTS with rayn, and he also townread me correctly, although he might of course do that as both alignments. Still, the read feels very much like a "robik-read" (he read me town last game for posting 4 times in a row, because magic). So I think he is town. Ksc could be mafia, I just pointed out how he didn't follow up on his very inconclusive big post by talking about something different entirely, then I left the thread and he just happened to do the same. Like I just don't get the feeling he's particularly interested in pushing prplhz or anyone else from his big post. FF idk, he's just here, but at least he's sheeping me... so there's that? prplhz could be town? I don't know, but I didn't get the feeling he was trying to call me mafia for reading the OP, he just pointed out that it was strange behavior for Palmar to do that. So many people though that I have very little opinion on, mostly because I haven't been here all that much. Btw, the fact that rayn hasn't come back to the thread might be indicative that I'm right, basically clam up marv-style (which is actually a good move if you're mafia. No confirming more townies and no giving up teammates). Also his weird trap thing where he asked me if I knew why he thought Ksc was mafia has gone on for way too long. This is more meta and less strong than my main point, but if I thought someone is mafia (like rayn seems to think with ksc) I could hardly shut up about it. Waiting like 24 hours for some random person in the game to give his opinion on it seems way overkill. I'd be convincing other people by that time. I posted my post, that listed 2 potential mafia, and 2 scum leans along with several town, hardly inconclusive. You then posted about rayn. I engaged with you about rayn, this is hardly random is it. Once we had that discussion I invited you to talk about the things in my post and you didn't respond to me. | ||
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On February 16 2015 00:56 prplhz wrote: @palmar i don't know if i'm remembering this correctly, but rayn is usually all over the place isn't he? i mean he had a list post in this very game like 6 hours into the game where he claims that he found the entire scum team. it's pretty ridiculous but he's just very convinced of one thing and then suddenly of another, very jumpy. i remember that game where he thought i was scum and you and marv had to do your very best to change his mind but at that point he had thought i was scum every single game we had played together (think we had played four games), he just had a thing for me. i don't think that means he never reconsiders his reads, especially his early "flakier" reads. i agree that that "guess why i think ksc is mafia"-thing is weird and that's after he went to the sauna he's uncharacteristically disappeared though that could be for other reasons. also, as much as i hate to say it, slam and bh are right, we're nowhere right now and we should consolidate. ksc had a terrible entrance to this thread and the only substantial thing he's done is this weird hard defense of rayn. bh looking good for pointing it out but very bad for sticking with this VA thing, it's getting way too old by now. can you explain why it is weird to engage with someone when you are the only people two people in the thread? | ||
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On February 16 2015 01:03 prplhz wrote: nothing wrong about that in itself, it's the way you did it just looks like scum thinking "i better do something, people are on my back. hey palmar is here saying something about rayn, i guess i'll say the opposite for a while and hope that's enough for everybody to leave me alone." I don't remember saying all of that | ||
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As for nothing substantial you should read the post I made as it contains a lot of substantial info. Plenty of things to talk about there rather than just sheeping what other people said | ||
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On February 16 2015 01:07 prplhz wrote: really, ksc is scum. why is he even reflecting on how he looks, who does that as town? you called me scum for talking to palmar about rayn, i was explaining why I was doing that. | ||
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On February 16 2015 01:18 prplhz wrote: there's a big difference between saying "i think i looked like this because of this" (scummy, focusing on how you are appearing) and saying "i was doing this to achieve this" (townie, focusing on figuring things out) I put looked in speech marks because I was responding to your accusation. You should probably talk about relevant things now and answer my questions | ||
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Plus anything other points I raised. | ||
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His early game felt quite strong he was aggressive, he went after hts because of his idea that miller claim was bad and wanted to policy lynch her , he was forthcoming with a lot his reads quite early on. I liked the interaction he had with palmar aswell when he said "i'm going to treat you as town and try and solve the game with you" that felt townie. As for him dropping his town read later on, I think that is quite a towny thing to do, if someone presents you with information that you put a lot of faith in then I don't see a problem with him changing his towny read. To me the case looks like palmar assumed rayn had a big list of really strong reasons for a town read and then dropped him for no reason, which isn't really the case. rayn admitted it was a "semi yolo read." Right now I need to look at the people who actually think this case against rayn is good and figure out which are mafia. | ||
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also prp my question still remains unanswered. If my thread entry was so "terrible" why did you let it slide for so long and only come at me when other people started calling me scum. | ||
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On February 16 2015 03:44 Blazinghand wrote: is your "case" on me that I'm pushing RNG? luckily we have a filter system so you can go and look at what I wrote previously | ||
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On February 16 2015 03:46 Blazinghand wrote: I read it. I just want you to definitely say it here for people who are too lazy to read your post (link) which I will note came somewhat after a post attacking VA (link) The case is you have these long forced posts where you hide behind mechanics. You try and traffic cop this game with posts like "hey guys we need to consolidate" but at no point have you put any effort in to figuring out the game. you have also now tried to discredit my case on you from saying "oh you mad a case on meafter a case on VA" the case about VA was my first opening read based on his reaction, then basically a day later I made a case on you that is more developed after I read the game thoroughly. You have now also tried to discredit Robik with his "oh he is salty that I banned him" which seems kind of pathetic from you. | ||
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propl wtf was with the vote unvote? | ||
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On February 16 2015 04:33 VayneAuthority wrote: ##unvote ##vote: Breshke I don't hate this | ||
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On February 16 2015 05:03 prplhz wrote: I don't even know what this means. ##Vote Breshke I can get with this. Reading his filter I don't think anything points at him being town or mafia. I didn't even remember he was in this game. Text book under the radar guy. This is a lot better than raynpelikoneet and VayneAuthority and what else is going around. I'm even willing to let KelsierSC go for now because he's actually around doing stuff. sorry, I was basically asking for your reads in general. | ||
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On February 16 2015 05:03 prplhz wrote: I don't even know what this means. ##Vote Breshke I can get with this. Reading his filter I don't think anything points at him being town or mafia. I didn't even remember he was in this game. Text book under the radar guy. This is a lot better than raynpelikoneet and VayneAuthority and what else is going around. I'm even willing to let KelsierSC go for now because he's actually around doing stuff. but I thought you scum read me for my terrible entry and my weird defence of rayn. Those things haven't changed so why does my activity make you drop a scum read for someone who has no indicators either way? | ||
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On February 16 2015 05:36 Town Puppy wrote: Hey I'm back but super busy with work. Will not be able to catch up before EOD. Did I see that someone claimed a role? If so who. so everything you have done so far is the limit of your contribution today? | ||
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##unvote ##vote Blazinghand | ||
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On February 16 2015 05:38 ritoky wrote: this vote seems awkwardly placed and justified. almost like you didn't wanna be voting on who you were voting on previously and were looking for an excuse to hop off. hmmmmm seems like the vote was pretty well placed to me, are you unhappy she voted BH? | ||
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On February 16 2015 05:47 ritoky wrote: okay ##vote: blazinghand I don't like this post, dunno why the explanation is necessary given the context. because it's ls and you never really know why he does anything he says but he has a heart of gold | ||
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On February 16 2015 05:48 Town Puppy wrote: Idk haven't caught up on shit LOL The important thing that comes to mind is that BH choosing VA says nothing about VA's alignment. The selection process he uses is 100% open and outside of his control. So don't think that BH being mafia and trying to RNG lynch VA means anything. On its own it doesn't. Look to see if he pushed it hard or not and for whether VA is scummy independent of BH. That will give you your answer he sort of did with his, "let's consolidate, there is no one better, lets lynch VA!" I don't know man I was just wondering what you thought about VA independently of BH claiming but I guess you can't look back without being booty blinded | ||
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On February 16 2015 05:50 ritoky wrote: did you read what I posted? it was about her moving her vote off of someone not who she moved it on to. dunno though, will come back to it later. since clearly there is more relevant information present now. where does it state she wanted to move her vote ? I think you got caught out dude. | ||
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yeh what did hts say that made her seem like she was just looking to move her vote off her previous target? How the hell did you extrapolate that? | ||
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On February 16 2015 06:05 ritoky wrote: her vote was on rayn, you smoking the good stuff? never mind | ||
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On February 16 2015 06:14 ritoky wrote: I mean if you're gonna call me mafia, then call me mafia. don't be bitch and straddle the fence. k you're mafia you happy now bitch | ||
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I think Ritoky is mafia aswell, he got caught out by trying to throw scum on hts for voting on BH, his reason was super contrived like "hts just wants to get off rayn" despite there being no evidence of this. Now BH is mafia it is pretty clear hts had a good vote and rit was trying to make the lynch appear scummy. I still think prplhz is mafia. | ||
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There was a lot of pressure on you as far as I'm aware. | ||
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If it isn't a super useful time to claim then I'm confused why you do it? Doesn't matter because you are mafia | ||
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On February 16 2015 07:34 Blazinghand wrote: I always do it as town, that's my meta, that should be good enough for your low level confusion. I see you're STILL avoiding committing to lynching TP if I flip JK. why is that, KSC? Is it because TP is your scumbuddy and you don't want to commit to it yet? Is it because you know I'll flip JK? What are you so afraid of? Obviously tp gets lynched if your town. But you are not town so it is irrelevant. | ||
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I'm here catching up with the thread, will post my thoughts soon. | ||
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Safe to say the 2 JK world is unfortunately real. When BH claimed and TP then counter claimed it was easy for scum to just park a vote on BH and give a reason like, "you seemed the scummiest" or something. So looking at the votes around that time. On February 16 2015 12:10 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Blazinghand leads with 10 votes. Next is Town Puppy with 2 votes, and then raynpelikoneet with 2 votes. Superbia has still not voted yet. BH (10) - Half the Sky, ritoky, VayneAuthority, liancourt, Town Puppy, rsoultin, LightningStrike, KelsierSC, prplhz, Breshke Town Puppy (2) - IAmRobik, Alakaslam raynpelikoneet (2) - Palmar, Fecalfeast liancourt (1) - Blazinghand Half the Sky (1) - raynpelikoneet Then the revelation of the two jailkeeps is announced and the following switch overs occur. On February 16 2015 13:22 Onegu wrote: Votecount Blazinghand (6) - Half the Sky, VayneAuthority, liancourt, rsoultin, KelsierSC, prplhz liancourt (6) - Blazinghand, IAmRobik, LightningStrike, FecalFeast, ritoky, Breshke Town Puppy (1) - Alakaslam raynpelikoneet (1)- Palmar Half the Sky (1) - raynpelikoneet LightningStrike (1) - Superbia Rsoultin (1) - Town Puppy Blazinghand is set to be lynched. Voting ends in On February 16 2015 13:30 Onegu wrote: Votecount liancourt (8) - Blazinghand, IAmRobik, LightningStrike, FecalFeast, ritoky, Breshke, Superbia, rsoultin Blazinghand (5) - Half the Sky, VayneAuthority, liancourt, KelsierSC, prplhz Town Puppy (1) - Alakaslam raynpelikoneet (1)- Palmar Half the Sky (1) - raynpelikoneet Rsoultin (1) - Town Puppy liancourt is set to be lynched. Voting ends in For the people that remained on BH, I had no idea of this two jailkeeper world, I had posted previous case on why I thought BH was scummy and I was fairly certain he was the scum and I felt good leaving my vote there and heading off to bed. I think HTS is town aswell, liancourt is obviously town. That just leaves VA, I don't know where he was EOD but obviously with the votes between TP and BH he felt pretty comfortable just leaving his vote there and was probably hoping to sit quietly and wait for BH to get lynched. When the vote switched to liancourt there was nothing he needed to do. I have no idea what prplhz was doing yesterday, he did a weird vote/unvote on Blazing hand and then left a vote on Breshke I think, then again he is european so he probably went to sleep IRL. I think his d1 was pretty terrible and he could be another scum. When I look at the overall play around the claims, cc, and then new wagon on liancourt. Well he is a good enough player to fool me but I think Robik looks pretty clear town to me. A lot of it regards his tone and his lead onto liancourt which was a towny perspective . But what I really liked was that he had a scum read on BH, then when TP counter claimed Robik said something like "if only it wasn't you cc'ing him because you have been scummy aswell" that was like really fucking town. If robik is mafia he could just be like, fucking yeh CC boys lets get BH. That was pretty town to me. I also think Superbia bringing up the two JK with his google search and getting town in the right direction was pretty towny aswell. So for me I need to look at a few people more closely to determine their play. The remaining mafia are people who had their vote on BH before it was revealed there were two JK. Then not actually trying to lead a lynch somewhere else until the liancourt wagon was firmly established. So the mafia, lie within LS,Riotky,Breshke,Rsoul and FF. I think rsol is town. I am pretty sure ritoky is mafia. I am undecided on the others but I sort of feel that LS is mafia. He gave some really shit tier read on Robik like. Robik is mad he must be town. Which is like really stupid as I'm sure Robik is a good enough player to shout at someone when he is mafia. TLDR Scum is somewhere in VA,prplhz,LS,ritoky,Breshke,FF I think the most likely team at this point is VA,prplhz,LS,ritoky. | ||
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On February 16 2015 21:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Pardon my stupidness but where is it said there are JK's in this game? ...in the OP and when TP and BH both claimed it. | ||
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On February 16 2015 21:46 IAmRobik wrote: Your stuff on me is gold. I hate that you're making big block posts though. It's difficult to read well apparently games were getting ridiculously long and people got demotivated to read it all so I am trying to condense my points. | ||
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Essentially you are pretty happy to jump onto the BH vote quite early on, as indicated I believe this is what the mafia would do. You make a few comments like this On February 15 2015 07:26 LightningStrike wrote: Oka I'm back and Eden is being a puppy this game hmmmm. He calling Superbia Town by the fact his filter length is larger than his time in Imperial but I still think Superbia is Mafia from my earlier explanations of why I think Superbia is Mafia. So you are disagreeing with Eden on a read here. On February 15 2015 11:34 LightningStrike wrote: rsoultin what you think of Eden? Also I starting to like ritoky this game  Then you ask rsoultin, who I believe you had as town, for their opinion on Eden. I don't know if you followed up on this. My impression is you are unsure of Eden and have a slight scum lean on him. Perhaps I am incorrect. However around the counter claim this is your post On February 16 2015 05:40 LightningStrike wrote: Okay with Eden counterclaiming BH's claim I think BH might be Mafia now. ##Unvote ##Vote: Blazinghand Why are you so sure that Eden is the real JK at this point? Also I don't really see you calling BH mafia at any point before this so you seem rather unconcerned by this eden claim. | ||
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On February 16 2015 12:57 LightningStrike wrote: Okay so I relooked at BH's thing about Lian it does seem suspicious on him knowing if both BH and TP(Eden) is town and I think it's better than what I got on Superbia for now. I also going to bed now and will check the flip in the morning and give my thoughts on the flip! ##Vote: liancourt I also think this is quite a late justification to just sheep onto another townie. You don't really have any push to lynch someone you just kind of go along with the vote that gets a town lynched. | ||
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As for the second point I just felt you sheeped the wagon that got a townie lynched without any real input of your own. Who were you scum reading at that point? | ||
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On February 16 2015 23:27 LightningStrike wrote: Because Eden play was much different than he was Mafia or VT so I thought he would be a role if he was town. I always ask people their opinions on people. I was reading Slam possible Mafia and maybe Superbia on meta but not much after that. ok but what made you think he was town then. Can you give me some quotes on who's opinion you asked for this game. | ||
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On February 16 2015 23:29 LightningStrike wrote: Why would mafia go for a 1 for 1 when it's favors town rolf. Also when Eden is VT he acts like a nut ball  was he not acting like a nutball this game? | ||
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Like you ask people about rsoultin, and then you townread rsoultin so you asked her about eden, but you were townreading him already, then you like palmars case but then you ask rsoultin about palmar. At the end you don't really seem to have developed anything useful and you just like ask your town reads about other town reads. You also don't develop a single strong scum read it seems to me and just kind of sheep along the town vote. I think your mafia. | ||
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VA and prplhz are in my scum team because of their play D1 and because they just left their vote on bats and afk'. The other members of the scum team are the ones who were around EOD and just voted on bats but then just sheeped robik onto liancourt. This is quite clearly outlined in my filter. If there is something you don't understand then you can ask me about it. If you have a problem with something in my filter I can clarify it , but just saying "he is terrible" is kind of mean and unproductive. | ||
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On February 17 2015 08:19 LightningStrike wrote: You can't be both what are you really? A dumpster slut | ||
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On February 17 2015 06:25 prplhz wrote: okay the thread exploded Can we talk about this guy now. I made my earlier case which was he asked a lot of.meaningless questions and traffic copped with no insight into the game. He jumped onto me.only after others called me scum. His reasons for scum reading me where my entry and defending rayn yet he decided to drop me.based on my activity which he never answered. He did his vote/unvote.on.bh which he didn't.explain then left his vote on breshke. Its been two hours since his thread exploded post but still.no insight. He has to.be scum | ||
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On February 17 2015 08:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah well he is right. you're scum and i am not so i can't scumread him sorry.  Ok just to get you back on the right track. You say I'm terrible and nothing I say makes any fucking sense so what do you need me to clarify. | ||
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On February 17 2015 08:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay: - On Saturday why did you ask "who is here, i wanna talk" and when i answered you didn'twanna talk? - Why don't you give any explanation on how do you end up on ANY reads you have? So on saturday morning my time I got to the thread and said a hello before I did like an initial read of the thread and got my first reads. I didn't respond to your "I am" because I was making my post. I then had to go because I was valentines day and I had a busy day planned. If I recall I saw you say "that kelsier post is bad" such a conversation seemed unprofitable. I have given an explanation for almost every strong read I have son I don't know what you're talking about. | ||
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On February 17 2015 09:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: YOU LITERALLY POSTED THIS: I said i am. Then you ignored me for a half an hour and then you posted your read on Vayne and left. That is not "who wants to talk". That is the opposite. So agaian. Why did you say "who wants to talk" when you didn't actually want to talk with anyone? I thought id have some time to talk but i was focused on reading the thread and giving my initial reads instead. then i had to go. Which read do you want me to explain, I'm pretty sure i have done so already | ||
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On February 17 2015 09:04 Palmar wrote: It was a pointless conversation. Without rayn being back there was nothing to defend him on. My case was objectively correct at the time and you just argued about nothing. Objectively is a difficult word. | ||
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On February 17 2015 09:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Explain your reads on HtS and FF. Oh and Breshke. Hts I did its in my filter. Ff and breshke aren't strong reads but they fit the mould of people who jumped on the bh wagon and then just followed robik onto another townie. Possibly scum but I cant be confident. Breshke I did give thoughts on earlier in my filter as well. | ||
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On February 17 2015 09:09 Palmar wrote: But yes I do know the difference. I am objectively the best mafia player here (because it's a fact and not influenced by opinion). on the other hand I am subjectively the best looking player in this game (it can be argued that rayn's see-through-pale face matches up to my burly manliness). Ok... Point is I disagreed with your post on rayn. It seems to me that you made a lot of assumptions and I brought that up to you. I don't think its pointless. I gave town a chance to read my posts then I engaged with you. That does not mean I have no interest in my own case. I actually offered you the chance to talk about my case on prplhz and you just ignored me | ||
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On February 17 2015 09:16 Palmar wrote: yes I did the thing people do when they actually believe the shit they're saying. I ignored your case to push mine. Because I don't give a fuck about what you have to say when I think I have something. That's how normal people who are not mafia act. You on the other hand seemed fine with just posting whatever. Well that's not how I do things | ||
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On February 17 2015 09:21 Palmar wrote: I know, you're one of those nasty mafia people. No I'm just one of those town people that hasn't stuck his face in a barrel of autism | ||
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Ritoky , palmar brings up the point that rsoultin isn't on the list you made so that I what interests me. | ||
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I think the point is you made posts about her, but then she doesn't make your list in any regard like you just forget she is real. What do you think kf hts and rayn now? | ||
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On February 17 2015 09:36 Palmar wrote: I don't think you mean the things you say. What the fuck are you talking about. I bought up a case on pro again like 30 minutes ago. | ||
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On February 17 2015 09:45 ritoky wrote: ff is probably still the sk like I thought before, he doesn't seem to care about the outcomes of stuff and is hiding behind his bad @ day1 excuse. maybe he turns it on, who knows. rayn goes from under pressure to wifom bomber. hts hasn't done anything relevant in a while? so nothing has changed? sorry, I didn't post my giant list post with everybody's name and a read for them that I do every game when I am mafia. oh wait, not mafia. What does that make rayns alignment then ? | ||
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On February 17 2015 09:49 ritoky wrote: weren't you mafia with me like 2 games ago? you should be better at this. chupazi wifom bomber is his alignment, I am waiting on a status update on the bunker from slam after the second great wifom carpet bombing of 2015, results pending status update. Dude I dont know what the fuck any of that means | ||
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On February 17 2015 09:47 Half the Sky wrote: Kelsier I took a look at prplhz. I definitely see what you mean by lack of direction in his filter. I've never played with him before, so I'm not sure how he normally plays. His votes on D1 seemed to largely come out of nowhere, and I couldn't tell he was sheeping any of his town reads if he was. Indeed, other people should read and comment as well | ||
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On February 17 2015 10:03 rsoultin wrote: Eh, prplhz's vote on you looked a lot like a pressure vote there, KSC. I didn't like several of his posts early on, but it seemed to get better later. Lol, I'm sure I'm the one TP left out of his scumlist xP How did it get better ? | ||
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On February 17 2015 10:06 LightningStrike wrote: Going out to dinner with my Mom and when I come back I give my thoughts and why I took offense to that post by KSC about a barrel of autism. Seems like a productive conversation | ||
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On February 17 2015 10:07 rsoultin wrote: I liked his exchanges with you and Palmar, actually ^^ They stand out in his filter as a huge cut above the rest of his posting, when it comes to thinking critically and forming reads. His main read I that I'm mafia for reasons other people already gave. Aside from that I see nothing good. | ||
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Id rather have intelligent points than some Lewis Carroll wannabe giving me inoperable brain cancer | ||
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On February 17 2015 10:46 KelsierSC wrote: Hts when Va said his "I dont believe the two jk" thing was that after the day ended. If it was before what was the vote count? This is quite important | ||
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Essentially if it I after the day/lian majority I think Va could be town as he didn't have to speak up If its before then I think va is mafia as he wants to justify keeping his vote on bh which removes a good player and a role. Plus he would not know if the next lynch would be on a town and could have instead swung to himself or a mafia buddy. | ||
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On February 17 2015 11:05 IAmRobik wrote: ABSOLUTELY NOT. I'm never getting targeted for nk Yeh but you are fun to have in the game. | ||
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On February 17 2015 11:11 rsoultin wrote: That comment by VA came after EoD, KSC. Hmm ok, that makes him more towny then | ||
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On February 17 2015 11:12 Alakaslam wrote: Rayn bombed with Clinton's anti-Iraq squad. This is nothing to the CHUPAZITRON 40000 Ok for ritokys benefit does that make him town or scum? | ||
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On February 17 2015 11:14 KelsierSC wrote: Ok for ritokys benefit does that make him town or scum? | ||
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On February 17 2015 11:14 KelsierSC wrote: Ok for ritokys benefit does that make him town or scum? | ||
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On February 17 2015 11:34 prplhz wrote: @KelsierSC on the odd chance that you're actually town you need to take a step back and reconsider your read on me instead of just going "prplhz is scum" every single time I post. Seriously, even if I was scum I wouldn't be scummy in every single post. It's pretty obvious that you're tunneling me. If you're mafia then keep going though. Also this thread went to pieces. I can explain my Blazinghand vote though, it's pretty simple. Blazinghand did a horrible claim under hardly any pressure and I though that was scummy for a second then I realized that scum would rarely do that in face of 2-3 votes 10 hours before deadline. Scum are usually way more hesitant and he'd have the backing of his team to count on as well so no reason to panic like that. Took me a moment to realize thus vote into unvote. I'm having a hard time piecing this game together. I really thought the claim made Blazinghand town but the way he's acting now doesn't look town at all. Look at how he's saying that "nothing is confirmed" and "you can't know about Superbia" when Superbia pretty much just modconfirmed two townies. It's not that he isn't right, it's that he's pushing uncertainty in the thread. Why, when it's like 99% probable that Superbia is town, does Blazinghand want us to remember the 1% chance that he isn't? Also Blazinghand has a high opinion of himself and he wants people to do what he says. Right now he's been up for lynch but everybody stopped wanting to lynch him, he's looking townier than every, what does he use this for? He's not pushing anything other than uncertainty, why isn't he pushing VayneAuthority or whoever else he thinks is scum? It's really hard to make a scum team right now, too little fits well and the liancourt lynch didn't really give me anything. Not a bad lynch but I just hadn't really paid much attention to him and he turned out to be not only a townie but a god damn fake claiming townie. Anyway, defensive roles on townies and offensive roles on scum. We don't need any heroes just play safe. I'm not really tunneling on you. You have done scummy things so I'm calling you scum. Why did you just disappear. Why did you decide to vote breshke. Why have you done nothing today? | ||
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On February 17 2015 11:49 prplhz wrote: You really are. Every time I post you make a post saying "this is scummy". That's tunneling because (and it appears that you agree) not everything I do is scummy. I had real life. Seriously, why do you think I disappeared and what did you think I'd answer to that question? It's stupid shit like that question that makes it's obvious that you're tunneling, just using whatever reason you can to yell at me. Short non-committal filter. Someone mentioned the poking in to talk about rules which I agree is scummy. He seems more at ease talking about setup stuff that reads. Also, no one would vote you and as Alakaslam and Blazinghand had pointed out, we were in a bad condition with no one really gaining traction for a lynch. You're also completely right I went with it partially also to see if it would "stick", if anything would come of it. I'm really not set in stone when I vote for someone, it's a very dynamic process for me. I haven't had much time today until now, trying to catch up on the thread. You haven't posted all day so how can I respond to your posts and call it scummy? Ive made several clear points against you which you can respond to , or you can continue to twist my argument into something it isn't. I dont think you mentioned breshke at all before you voted him. You didn't have any reads of note. Also just throwing votes and accusations around to see what sticks is scum orientated. | ||
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On February 17 2015 11:54 prplhz wrote: Things like these, jesus christ. First of all, I never said I dropped you entirely, I said I'd give you some pause because you were actually playing. Anyway, if I think you're scummy because of your entrance into the thread, does that mean I can never stop thinking that because you can never change your entrance? No, your entrance can be scummy and you can be town which would then show later. Your entrance was scummy, I still think that. I think that your sheer bullheaded activity makes other people better lynches for now. Do you mean to say that because I think something you do is scummy, I can never think something you do is townie? Because that's complete nonsense. I also did complain about your activity anyway. Kelsier is fine. I asked this question because your logic made no sense to me and I wanted you to clarify. You didn't until now. Some players use metrics that dont make sense, I understand that and perhaps you are just one of those players | ||
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On February 17 2015 11:57 prplhz wrote: Like this. I haven't been around for a while so I'm obviously not up to date on the thread. I make a comment on how the thread fucking exploded and gained like 50 pages. Then you complain that I'm not instantly up to date and posting and how it has to make me scum. That's completely ridiculous. That isn't my entire case against you. Fine lets see what you have consider yourself detunneled or whatever and give your reads etc. | ||
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Alright, I think if you did have rl stuff i cant scum read you for that. Plus your reasons for the vote unvote seem towny. I agree my entry wasn't the best but you know busy day, I don't agree talking about rayn with palmar was scummy. But I dint want to rehash that. Its in my filter. I think your early play was very traffic coppy with random questions which I think is a mafia trait but I haven't played with you before so ... I like the you that returned to the thread and maybe we can be friends later. You're not town but no longer my top scum. I'd lynch . Ls,ritoky and slam first I will look at breshke and ff tomorrow but sleep now. | ||
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On February 27 2015 02:38 Blazinghand wrote: good discussion guys all in all another town carried by blazinghand Whoz dis kid I was mvp | ||
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