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Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
February 12 2015 20:57 GMT
#78
/in
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
February 12 2015 22:00 GMT
#80
On February 13 2015 06:51 IAmRobik wrote:
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On February 13 2015 05:57 Breshke wrote:
/in

Please don't make him SK


I agree with this but why haha?
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
February 14 2015 05:19 GMT
#179
On February 14 2015 14:14 Half the Sky wrote:
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On February 14 2015 14:11 IAmRobik wrote:
I already RNG'd. BH is mafia.. FUCKING LYNCH HIM


Voting thread not up if you are voting him...


votings in this thread i believe

Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
February 14 2015 05:24 GMT
#184
On February 14 2015 14:23 ritoky wrote:
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On February 14 2015 14:19 Breshke wrote:
On February 14 2015 14:14 Half the Sky wrote:
On February 14 2015 14:11 IAmRobik wrote:
I already RNG'd. BH is mafia.. FUCKING LYNCH HIM


Voting thread not up if you are voting him...


votings in this thread i believe



got us a first post rule Nazi up in dis bish.

saucy~~~~


Obviously someone didn't read the rules MODKILL
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
February 14 2015 05:37 GMT
#208
On February 14 2015 14:35 IAmRobik wrote:
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On February 14 2015 14:35 Half the Sky wrote:
On February 14 2015 14:31 IAmRobik wrote:
Ritoky is mafia btw


Because....???

His explanation of BH was too serious


I think that could probably be explained by his disdain for RNG lynches
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
February 14 2015 05:39 GMT
#212
HtS what have you actually gotten from all these questions?
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
February 14 2015 05:47 GMT
#218
On February 14 2015 14:43 Half the Sky wrote:
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On February 14 2015 14:39 Breshke wrote:
HtS what have you actually gotten from all these questions?


We're only 40 mins into the game.

I have some preliminary thoughts right now. I was scumreading LS based on his first few posts on Robik, didn't seem like he wanted to commit one way or another, even though I qualified the read to a single post. He answered though based on his meta. Still noncomittal though. Surely he formed a read when Robik afked in Linux. Seems weird he wouldn't. I'm not liking the answers I get from LS so far, so tentative scumread.

Scum lean on VA based on meta as explained.

Ritoky, can't tell right now.

Robik tends to troll a bit early on, but not enough exp with him to scumread yet. Was scum in the only game I played with him.


I don't understand the robik bit. Are you saying you think he trolls as either alignment? The wording also confuses me like you plan to scum read him you just dont have a reason yet. Can you clarify.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
February 14 2015 06:06 GMT
#235
Okay the robik stuff makes ense

On February 14 2015 14:57 Half the Sky wrote:
Breshke, what do you make of all the activity so far. Do you have any preliminary reads from this first hour of gameplay?


You town pending a cc

I also have a town lean on ritoky for no good reason other than vibes, he seems relaxed

I've given up trying to read LS early so good luck with that haha

On February 14 2015 14:52 Half the Sky wrote:
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On February 14 2015 14:37 LightningStrike wrote:
I didn't form reads on him for meta reasons but for stuff he did in that game like in Linux he hard claimed named VT and just did nothing in that game other than getting mad at us.


Hmmm....

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On January 31 2015 06:12 LightningStrike wrote:
Ya that is bad play by Robik hard claiming a named VT without any pressure at all. It going to allow Scum to PoE on who is the 2nd blue.


Above quote isn't a read per se, but it leads to one.

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On January 31 2015 13:09 LightningStrike wrote:
Robik is uncc'd blue so he's town but I hate his claim though since it's easier for Mafia to PoE the 2nd blue.


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On January 31 2015 22:11 LightningStrike wrote:
I was townreading him before. No because sicklucker always have a weird Day 1 and makes the game awkward almost all of Day 1 either through a trap or trying to coach people...... I also don't like Robik's claim but there is no counterclaim to him so he is a uncc'd blue.


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On February 02 2015 06:53 LightningStrike wrote:
Robik is more likely scum than Damdred and HF so we lynch Robik next Day Phase.


I don't understand this but i feel i should
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
February 14 2015 06:09 GMT
#239
I'll also be off soon got a mates birthday wont be back until tomorrow morning so like 16 hours
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
February 14 2015 06:10 GMT
#241
I feel like Slam is trying to faith heal me
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
February 14 2015 06:25 GMT
#261
On February 14 2015 15:11 Half the Sky wrote:
Also Breshke, regarding the CC, I'm no balance queen (yet) but how do you know there cannot be a second miller?

17-player game might be possible. 13-man based on Horn, unlikely.


There could be I just think it would be ballsy for a mafia to claim miller this early because if like 2+ other millers out that sticks you in the limelight because it isnt really standard.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
February 14 2015 06:28 GMT
#262
On February 14 2015 15:11 Alakaslam wrote:
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On February 14 2015 15:09 Breshke wrote:
I'll also be off soon got a mates birthday wont be back until tomorrow morning so like 16 hours

English plus sunshine

And I speak English plus surprise


um i guesss that is ment to be mate's. Mate meaning friend. I hope this is what you were asking

On February 14 2015 15:12 Alakaslam wrote:
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On February 14 2015 15:10 Breshke wrote:
I feel like Slam is trying to faith heal me

How



On February 14 2015 15:05 Alakaslam wrote:
Hijole

But srs folks mah CHUPAZI

Whom u see in urself or others hey?

On February 14 2015 15:09 Alakaslam wrote:
Cmon, fooooolks!!!

If u r pleece identify with someone else duh. But plz folks is it no fun?


Come now the way of CHUPAZI calls

Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
February 14 2015 06:32 GMT
#263
On February 14 2015 15:11 Half the Sky wrote:
Breshke,

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On February 14 2015 15:06 Breshke wrote:
I don't understand this but i feel i should


Regarding my quotes on LS...here's the thing.

I asked him why he didn't have reads on Robik, not even preliminary. He appeared noncomittal at first. Didn't seem he was making any basis for comparison, just called him mad in this thread. But then in Linux, he'd given some reads based on that same behaviour. So my point is, why isn't he doing the same here or at least trying to compare?

That's why I think for the time being he should be scumread.


I don't think LS as a player is one to commit to early reads without seeing what others think about the situation first.

I also think it is unfair to expect him to react to situations in the same way when he has been playing a fair bit and is activly trying to change the way he is playing. Im not sure if my point is coming across but I like your logic but i don't think it makes LS scummy. (so much for not trying to reading him)
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
February 14 2015 06:37 GMT
#267
On February 14 2015 15:34 Half the Sky wrote:
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On February 14 2015 15:25 Breshke wrote:
There could be I just think it would be ballsy for a mafia to claim miller this early because if like 2+ other millers out that sticks you in the limelight because it isnt really standard.


How so? Clarify the bolded please? Sticks me in the light, meaning that it makes me look scum? Or my claiming isn't really standard?

Based on what marvellosity said in Horn (and he was town), you typically want to claim it as soon as you can. Which I did as I was here at game start. Later claims of it by any player are more suspicious (though I realise right now a number haven't entered thread yet). And this is the first time I've RNGed that role, so I am going off that.


Okay so imagine if you are scum and decide to fake claim miller straightaway not knwing if there are any other millers in the game. Then like 2 other millers also claim. I know shit all about setup balance but lets say 3 is considered too many for a 17 person game. People would then look into these people more as it would be more likely one of these was mafia.

So therefore i don't think you claim miller that early because it could easily put you up for suspicion especially D1 when there isn't that much to go on. Obviously this isn't something you would want to do as mafia.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
February 14 2015 21:48 GMT
#646
On February 15 2015 04:54 rsoultin wrote:
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On February 15 2015 04:45 Town Puppy wrote:
On February 15 2015 04:22 rsoultin wrote:
Waffling on a player is interesting enough anyway, but when you're not interacting with anyone?

1. HtS is mafia because she claimed miller and they're unaware...maybe?
2. Claiming miller is a town move and you're going to claim miller. (Is this an official claim, or what? And if you're miller and going to claim, then it follows that millers are aware, so what's with the first post?)
3. You don't like this post by HtS because it's "strange."

What's your conclusion, Puppy, or do we have to wait for you to finish discussing it with yourself first?

It is interesting to be accused of waffling when I haven't given an opinion on whether HtS is mafia yet.

(1) Do you have an issue with this point?
(2) Of course it's not. I would be hard-cc'ing and trying to lynch her otherwise.
(3) I think I explained why it's strange, non? Care to comment on that instead?


I have an issue that you can't seem to make up your mind from post to post...or rather are making post after post without your read going anywhere. ^^ What's the point of that?

And lol xP you seem to be really stretching for that evaluation of her post. I find it strange that she accepts another player's judgment on FF's comfort level with the thread and gets into a "you're not comfortable" "yes I am" argument back and forth with FF, not any silliness you were posting about xP


You do know this is eden right? Granted he normally goes somewhere with his reads even if he changes it every few minutes but i don't see how you think this could be out of the ordinary.


Also i think HtS is town so i think you are wrong rayn. If you look at it from a point of view where she believes miller claiming is the right thing to do (I probably still agree with this) and genuinely didn't understand that no matter his allighnment or who he RNG'd on BH would fake a case to get that person lynched her thought process or play or whatever has been fairly townie.

I can't see either of those two assumptions being wrong if she is mafia. I have already explained why i don't think she would fakeclaim miller as mafia. Also as mafia I think HtS backs down from that BH stuff ealier when she has Robik and rayn telling her she is wrong. The fact she didn't i think is townie
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
February 14 2015 22:15 GMT
#655
On February 15 2015 07:08 Fecalfeast wrote:
oh, ok. I accidentally closed my catchup post with all my quote tabs and restoring my tabs lost all of it. Shoddily putting it back together...



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On February 15 2015 00:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You literally used the wording "randomized policy lynch".
There is nothing randomized in your lynch suggestion on BH.

I dislike how rayn gets so bent out of shape over semantics here. Not productive at all.

On February 15 2015 00:17 Half the Sky wrote:
Honestly not having played with BH before, I'm going to ignore his RNG-stuff, it is my understanding he does this as both alignments. (If this is wrong, someone correct me.) I personally think it's unproductive and anti-town. What I DO want to focus on is this though:

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On February 14 2015 15:39 Blazinghand wrote:
Interestingly, it looks like in addition to being objectively correct due to RNG, it is ALSO objectively correct to lynch VA because he has so little content. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477800-vii-titanic-mini-mafia-i-have-a-cunning-plan?user=VayneAuthority

He's clearly here but has not posted enough.


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On February 14 2015 15:49 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 14 2015 15:47 Half the Sky wrote:
I had previously scumread him because compared to what he normally posts all of D1, which is jack all, I think in comparison, he was posting too much within the first few bits of the game here, though he's (reasonably) countering that it's because of the weird start time.


Well, objectively I'm choosing to scumread him because he got RNGed. Do you deny that he got RNGed? It was truly random and gives us a 30% chance to lynch scum, which is way better than any other case so far. The real question here is why aren't you voting VA yet


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On February 14 2015 15:56 Blazinghand wrote:
Fine, let's say that reason is crap, he still has a 30% chance to flip scum, and RNG has never failed me, even once. Vote him.


Right now, I'm interpreting this as him trying to justify a scumread, and then when I call him on it (particularly since I had the opposite read based on meta at that time) he backtracks and calls it crap. So this to me is scumlike.

Thoughts?

HtS has trouble reading BH's post where he explicitly admits to forging the read on VA from nothing. Continues to do so for next couple pages. Not sure this is mafia but to keep saying "I re-read twice and BH's filter twice" and not see what everyone else sees is a little strange. Maybe coming from a different viewpoint it really is confusing...

On February 15 2015 00:26 prplhz wrote:
does anybody know what's going on in this thread

Is this the first post from this player? If so, yuck.

On February 15 2015 00:32 Palmar wrote:
I am down for bluehunting prplhz btw.

On February 15 2015 00:43 Palmar wrote:
prplhz, who do you think are the blues? Also, how do you think we should go about identifying blues?

I am 100% serious here, I am going to try to figure out blue roles with you.

at first I was like "Palmar read the OP and is trying to bait people who haven't"

On February 15 2015 00:45 Palmar wrote:
oh wait, the blues are the mafia?

then I was like ".....really?"
On February 15 2015 00:49 Palmar wrote:
Like I had this entire thing ready where I was going to talk about how blues were more likely to be agreeable with things without actually pushing them, probably not at the forefront of any pushes and probably not going to be hyper active either and then I was gonna point out how exactly those same attributes apply to mafia and look really smart.

But I think prplhz actually outsmarted me. I must now commit sudoku.

now I think he's not lying and that prplhz actually caught him.

On February 15 2015 00:31 IAmRobik wrote:
I want to bury HtS, but I don't want to do so incorrectly. I just read what she writes and I'm flabbergasted that she is saying the shit she's saying.
1) As someone brought up, it was the fact that she wasn't getting anywhere with her 20 questions
2) she brings up shit that doesn't make logical sense...like what does me discussing the values of having "conversations" have to do with her playing the aforementioned 20 questions and then not giving thoughts on opinions on the people she's grilling? And what does MY version of playing the game have to do with HER version of playing the game (and why is that supposed to influence how I read her?)

These baffling questions are something I must find an answer to.

Agreeing with robik is the first sign of insanity, right? I've gotta see a doctor

On February 15 2015 04:07 Town Puppy wrote:
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On February 14 2015 16:08 Half the Sky wrote:
On February 14 2015 16:05 Fecalfeast wrote:
What is there to comment on? He thinks my posting is unnatural. There's nothing to refute or discuss on that point..

Now I'm slightly annoyed by how seriously you take everything...


This is generally how I play town. I've played with you before.

And Ritoky might have a point here. You don't seem comfortable here.

But even if you aren't comfortable with me, why not interact with the others?

OK so this is kind of a bizarre question to me. Two reasons why:

(1) It's so... buzzy. What does that question even mean? It sounds like she's just mentioning something off a mental checklist of things to talk about, almost. I'm calling it the checklist test.
(2) I felt like FF was "interacting with the others" which makes (1) even stranger.

Aww I like this puppy

On February 15 2015 04:54 rsoultin wrote:
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On February 15 2015 04:45 Town Puppy wrote:
On February 15 2015 04:22 rsoultin wrote:
Waffling on a player is interesting enough anyway, but when you're not interacting with anyone?

1. HtS is mafia because she claimed miller and they're unaware...maybe?
2. Claiming miller is a town move and you're going to claim miller. (Is this an official claim, or what? And if you're miller and going to claim, then it follows that millers are aware, so what's with the first post?)
3. You don't like this post by HtS because it's "strange."

What's your conclusion, Puppy, or do we have to wait for you to finish discussing it with yourself first?

It is interesting to be accused of waffling when I haven't given an opinion on whether HtS is mafia yet.

(1) Do you have an issue with this point?
(2) Of course it's not. I would be hard-cc'ing and trying to lynch her otherwise.
(3) I think I explained why it's strange, non? Care to comment on that instead?


I have an issue that you can't seem to make up your mind from post to post...or rather are making post after post without your read going anywhere. ^^ What's the point of that?

And lol xP you seem to be really stretching for that evaluation of her post. I find it strange that she accepts another player's judgment on FF's comfort level with the thread and gets into a "you're not comfortable" "yes I am" argument back and forth with FF, not any silliness you were posting about xP

please show me this back and forth argument please, I don't remember it.





from my reading I have these reads
rayn - scumlean
palmar - scumlean
LS- town
HtS - scum
puppydog- townlean/null
superbia - scumlean

If I missed any quotes let me know I'm pretty tilted about losing my last post


Where did the scumlean on superbia come from?

You think a scum palmar "gets caught" wanting to hunt for power roles. I think that is a bad read.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
February 14 2015 22:27 GMT
#662
The emoticon thing is normal for her. She got called out on it when she was mafia for not using them enough. I don't know if this is more or less than her town emoticons nor do I think it is really worth trying to discern alignment from.

The unnecessary adjective thing sounds good though. Ritoky could you explain to me why this would be scummy.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
February 14 2015 22:28 GMT
#665
On February 15 2015 07:19 Fecalfeast wrote:
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On February 15 2015 07:15 Breshke wrote:
On February 15 2015 07:08 Fecalfeast wrote:
oh, ok. I accidentally closed my catchup post with all my quote tabs and restoring my tabs lost all of it. Shoddily putting it back together...



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On February 15 2015 00:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You literally used the wording "randomized policy lynch".
There is nothing randomized in your lynch suggestion on BH.

I dislike how rayn gets so bent out of shape over semantics here. Not productive at all.

On February 15 2015 00:17 Half the Sky wrote:
Honestly not having played with BH before, I'm going to ignore his RNG-stuff, it is my understanding he does this as both alignments. (If this is wrong, someone correct me.) I personally think it's unproductive and anti-town. What I DO want to focus on is this though:

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On February 14 2015 15:39 Blazinghand wrote:
Interestingly, it looks like in addition to being objectively correct due to RNG, it is ALSO objectively correct to lynch VA because he has so little content. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477800-vii-titanic-mini-mafia-i-have-a-cunning-plan?user=VayneAuthority

He's clearly here but has not posted enough.


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On February 14 2015 15:49 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 14 2015 15:47 Half the Sky wrote:
I had previously scumread him because compared to what he normally posts all of D1, which is jack all, I think in comparison, he was posting too much within the first few bits of the game here, though he's (reasonably) countering that it's because of the weird start time.


Well, objectively I'm choosing to scumread him because he got RNGed. Do you deny that he got RNGed? It was truly random and gives us a 30% chance to lynch scum, which is way better than any other case so far. The real question here is why aren't you voting VA yet


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On February 14 2015 15:56 Blazinghand wrote:
Fine, let's say that reason is crap, he still has a 30% chance to flip scum, and RNG has never failed me, even once. Vote him.


Right now, I'm interpreting this as him trying to justify a scumread, and then when I call him on it (particularly since I had the opposite read based on meta at that time) he backtracks and calls it crap. So this to me is scumlike.

Thoughts?

HtS has trouble reading BH's post where he explicitly admits to forging the read on VA from nothing. Continues to do so for next couple pages. Not sure this is mafia but to keep saying "I re-read twice and BH's filter twice" and not see what everyone else sees is a little strange. Maybe coming from a different viewpoint it really is confusing...

On February 15 2015 00:26 prplhz wrote:
does anybody know what's going on in this thread

Is this the first post from this player? If so, yuck.

On February 15 2015 00:32 Palmar wrote:
I am down for bluehunting prplhz btw.

On February 15 2015 00:43 Palmar wrote:
prplhz, who do you think are the blues? Also, how do you think we should go about identifying blues?

I am 100% serious here, I am going to try to figure out blue roles with you.

at first I was like "Palmar read the OP and is trying to bait people who haven't"

On February 15 2015 00:45 Palmar wrote:
oh wait, the blues are the mafia?

then I was like ".....really?"
On February 15 2015 00:49 Palmar wrote:
Like I had this entire thing ready where I was going to talk about how blues were more likely to be agreeable with things without actually pushing them, probably not at the forefront of any pushes and probably not going to be hyper active either and then I was gonna point out how exactly those same attributes apply to mafia and look really smart.

But I think prplhz actually outsmarted me. I must now commit sudoku.

now I think he's not lying and that prplhz actually caught him.

On February 15 2015 00:31 IAmRobik wrote:
I want to bury HtS, but I don't want to do so incorrectly. I just read what she writes and I'm flabbergasted that she is saying the shit she's saying.
1) As someone brought up, it was the fact that she wasn't getting anywhere with her 20 questions
2) she brings up shit that doesn't make logical sense...like what does me discussing the values of having "conversations" have to do with her playing the aforementioned 20 questions and then not giving thoughts on opinions on the people she's grilling? And what does MY version of playing the game have to do with HER version of playing the game (and why is that supposed to influence how I read her?)

These baffling questions are something I must find an answer to.

Agreeing with robik is the first sign of insanity, right? I've gotta see a doctor

On February 15 2015 04:07 Town Puppy wrote:
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On February 14 2015 16:08 Half the Sky wrote:
On February 14 2015 16:05 Fecalfeast wrote:
What is there to comment on? He thinks my posting is unnatural. There's nothing to refute or discuss on that point..

Now I'm slightly annoyed by how seriously you take everything...


This is generally how I play town. I've played with you before.

And Ritoky might have a point here. You don't seem comfortable here.

But even if you aren't comfortable with me, why not interact with the others?

OK so this is kind of a bizarre question to me. Two reasons why:

(1) It's so... buzzy. What does that question even mean? It sounds like she's just mentioning something off a mental checklist of things to talk about, almost. I'm calling it the checklist test.
(2) I felt like FF was "interacting with the others" which makes (1) even stranger.

Aww I like this puppy

On February 15 2015 04:54 rsoultin wrote:
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On February 15 2015 04:45 Town Puppy wrote:
On February 15 2015 04:22 rsoultin wrote:
Waffling on a player is interesting enough anyway, but when you're not interacting with anyone?

1. HtS is mafia because she claimed miller and they're unaware...maybe?
2. Claiming miller is a town move and you're going to claim miller. (Is this an official claim, or what? And if you're miller and going to claim, then it follows that millers are aware, so what's with the first post?)
3. You don't like this post by HtS because it's "strange."

What's your conclusion, Puppy, or do we have to wait for you to finish discussing it with yourself first?

It is interesting to be accused of waffling when I haven't given an opinion on whether HtS is mafia yet.

(1) Do you have an issue with this point?
(2) Of course it's not. I would be hard-cc'ing and trying to lynch her otherwise.
(3) I think I explained why it's strange, non? Care to comment on that instead?


I have an issue that you can't seem to make up your mind from post to post...or rather are making post after post without your read going anywhere. ^^ What's the point of that?

And lol xP you seem to be really stretching for that evaluation of her post. I find it strange that she accepts another player's judgment on FF's comfort level with the thread and gets into a "you're not comfortable" "yes I am" argument back and forth with FF, not any silliness you were posting about xP

please show me this back and forth argument please, I don't remember it.





from my reading I have these reads
rayn - scumlean
palmar - scumlean
LS- town
HtS - scum
puppydog- townlean/null
superbia - scumlean

If I missed any quotes let me know I'm pretty tilted about losing my last post


Where did the scumlean on superbia come from?

You think a scum palmar "gets caught" wanting to hunt for power roles. I think that is a bad read.

super has less than a page of filter and spends most of it talking about BH's RNG post when he claimed to have a scumread on rayn. When rayn asks about the scumread, super goes AWOL for 13 hours? scummy.

Ok, maybe palmar's not that bad, it still seems scummy to me. Almost like a cocky "you caught me but who cares?"


So you think superbias scumread of rayn was serious?
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
February 14 2015 22:36 GMT
#673
On February 15 2015 07:29 LightningStrike wrote:
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On February 15 2015 07:28 Breshke wrote:
On February 15 2015 07:19 Fecalfeast wrote:
On February 15 2015 07:15 Breshke wrote:
On February 15 2015 07:08 Fecalfeast wrote:
oh, ok. I accidentally closed my catchup post with all my quote tabs and restoring my tabs lost all of it. Shoddily putting it back together...



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On February 15 2015 00:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You literally used the wording "randomized policy lynch".
There is nothing randomized in your lynch suggestion on BH.

I dislike how rayn gets so bent out of shape over semantics here. Not productive at all.

On February 15 2015 00:17 Half the Sky wrote:
Honestly not having played with BH before, I'm going to ignore his RNG-stuff, it is my understanding he does this as both alignments. (If this is wrong, someone correct me.) I personally think it's unproductive and anti-town. What I DO want to focus on is this though:

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On February 14 2015 15:39 Blazinghand wrote:
Interestingly, it looks like in addition to being objectively correct due to RNG, it is ALSO objectively correct to lynch VA because he has so little content. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477800-vii-titanic-mini-mafia-i-have-a-cunning-plan?user=VayneAuthority

He's clearly here but has not posted enough.


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On February 14 2015 15:49 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 14 2015 15:47 Half the Sky wrote:
I had previously scumread him because compared to what he normally posts all of D1, which is jack all, I think in comparison, he was posting too much within the first few bits of the game here, though he's (reasonably) countering that it's because of the weird start time.


Well, objectively I'm choosing to scumread him because he got RNGed. Do you deny that he got RNGed? It was truly random and gives us a 30% chance to lynch scum, which is way better than any other case so far. The real question here is why aren't you voting VA yet


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On February 14 2015 15:56 Blazinghand wrote:
Fine, let's say that reason is crap, he still has a 30% chance to flip scum, and RNG has never failed me, even once. Vote him.


Right now, I'm interpreting this as him trying to justify a scumread, and then when I call him on it (particularly since I had the opposite read based on meta at that time) he backtracks and calls it crap. So this to me is scumlike.

Thoughts?

HtS has trouble reading BH's post where he explicitly admits to forging the read on VA from nothing. Continues to do so for next couple pages. Not sure this is mafia but to keep saying "I re-read twice and BH's filter twice" and not see what everyone else sees is a little strange. Maybe coming from a different viewpoint it really is confusing...

On February 15 2015 00:26 prplhz wrote:
does anybody know what's going on in this thread

Is this the first post from this player? If so, yuck.

On February 15 2015 00:32 Palmar wrote:
I am down for bluehunting prplhz btw.

On February 15 2015 00:43 Palmar wrote:
prplhz, who do you think are the blues? Also, how do you think we should go about identifying blues?

I am 100% serious here, I am going to try to figure out blue roles with you.

at first I was like "Palmar read the OP and is trying to bait people who haven't"

On February 15 2015 00:45 Palmar wrote:
oh wait, the blues are the mafia?

then I was like ".....really?"
On February 15 2015 00:49 Palmar wrote:
Like I had this entire thing ready where I was going to talk about how blues were more likely to be agreeable with things without actually pushing them, probably not at the forefront of any pushes and probably not going to be hyper active either and then I was gonna point out how exactly those same attributes apply to mafia and look really smart.

But I think prplhz actually outsmarted me. I must now commit sudoku.

now I think he's not lying and that prplhz actually caught him.

On February 15 2015 00:31 IAmRobik wrote:
I want to bury HtS, but I don't want to do so incorrectly. I just read what she writes and I'm flabbergasted that she is saying the shit she's saying.
1) As someone brought up, it was the fact that she wasn't getting anywhere with her 20 questions
2) she brings up shit that doesn't make logical sense...like what does me discussing the values of having "conversations" have to do with her playing the aforementioned 20 questions and then not giving thoughts on opinions on the people she's grilling? And what does MY version of playing the game have to do with HER version of playing the game (and why is that supposed to influence how I read her?)

These baffling questions are something I must find an answer to.

Agreeing with robik is the first sign of insanity, right? I've gotta see a doctor

On February 15 2015 04:07 Town Puppy wrote:
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On February 14 2015 16:08 Half the Sky wrote:
On February 14 2015 16:05 Fecalfeast wrote:
What is there to comment on? He thinks my posting is unnatural. There's nothing to refute or discuss on that point..

Now I'm slightly annoyed by how seriously you take everything...


This is generally how I play town. I've played with you before.

And Ritoky might have a point here. You don't seem comfortable here.

But even if you aren't comfortable with me, why not interact with the others?

OK so this is kind of a bizarre question to me. Two reasons why:

(1) It's so... buzzy. What does that question even mean? It sounds like she's just mentioning something off a mental checklist of things to talk about, almost. I'm calling it the checklist test.
(2) I felt like FF was "interacting with the others" which makes (1) even stranger.

Aww I like this puppy

On February 15 2015 04:54 rsoultin wrote:
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On February 15 2015 04:45 Town Puppy wrote:
On February 15 2015 04:22 rsoultin wrote:
Waffling on a player is interesting enough anyway, but when you're not interacting with anyone?

1. HtS is mafia because she claimed miller and they're unaware...maybe?
2. Claiming miller is a town move and you're going to claim miller. (Is this an official claim, or what? And if you're miller and going to claim, then it follows that millers are aware, so what's with the first post?)
3. You don't like this post by HtS because it's "strange."

What's your conclusion, Puppy, or do we have to wait for you to finish discussing it with yourself first?

It is interesting to be accused of waffling when I haven't given an opinion on whether HtS is mafia yet.

(1) Do you have an issue with this point?
(2) Of course it's not. I would be hard-cc'ing and trying to lynch her otherwise.
(3) I think I explained why it's strange, non? Care to comment on that instead?


I have an issue that you can't seem to make up your mind from post to post...or rather are making post after post without your read going anywhere. ^^ What's the point of that?

And lol xP you seem to be really stretching for that evaluation of her post. I find it strange that she accepts another player's judgment on FF's comfort level with the thread and gets into a "you're not comfortable" "yes I am" argument back and forth with FF, not any silliness you were posting about xP

please show me this back and forth argument please, I don't remember it.





from my reading I have these reads
rayn - scumlean
palmar - scumlean
LS- town
HtS - scum
puppydog- townlean/null
superbia - scumlean

If I missed any quotes let me know I'm pretty tilted about losing my last post


Where did the scumlean on superbia come from?

You think a scum palmar "gets caught" wanting to hunt for power roles. I think that is a bad read.

super has less than a page of filter and spends most of it talking about BH's RNG post when he claimed to have a scumread on rayn. When rayn asks about the scumread, super goes AWOL for 13 hours? scummy.

Ok, maybe palmar's not that bad, it still seems scummy to me. Almost like a cocky "you caught me but who cares?"


So you think superbias scumread of rayn was serious?

Why not tell us your thoughts on that?


I don't think it was serious so i don't think it is weird that he went on to question BH. He clearly misunderstood BH's RNG thing and had thought he had caught him in something. Yeah getting people to clarify it was irrelevent for them and shited up the thread but it made sense from his PoV.

I think none of that is alignment indicative because superbia would probably push it as town or mafia so I dont see how ff is scumreading him for it unless he thought the rayn read was serious.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
February 14 2015 22:42 GMT
#676
On February 15 2015 07:34 Fecalfeast wrote:
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On February 15 2015 07:28 Breshke wrote:
On February 15 2015 07:19 Fecalfeast wrote:
On February 15 2015 07:15 Breshke wrote:
On February 15 2015 07:08 Fecalfeast wrote:
oh, ok. I accidentally closed my catchup post with all my quote tabs and restoring my tabs lost all of it. Shoddily putting it back together...



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On February 15 2015 00:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You literally used the wording "randomized policy lynch".
There is nothing randomized in your lynch suggestion on BH.

I dislike how rayn gets so bent out of shape over semantics here. Not productive at all.

On February 15 2015 00:17 Half the Sky wrote:
Honestly not having played with BH before, I'm going to ignore his RNG-stuff, it is my understanding he does this as both alignments. (If this is wrong, someone correct me.) I personally think it's unproductive and anti-town. What I DO want to focus on is this though:

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On February 14 2015 15:39 Blazinghand wrote:
Interestingly, it looks like in addition to being objectively correct due to RNG, it is ALSO objectively correct to lynch VA because he has so little content. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477800-vii-titanic-mini-mafia-i-have-a-cunning-plan?user=VayneAuthority

He's clearly here but has not posted enough.


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On February 14 2015 15:49 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 14 2015 15:47 Half the Sky wrote:
I had previously scumread him because compared to what he normally posts all of D1, which is jack all, I think in comparison, he was posting too much within the first few bits of the game here, though he's (reasonably) countering that it's because of the weird start time.


Well, objectively I'm choosing to scumread him because he got RNGed. Do you deny that he got RNGed? It was truly random and gives us a 30% chance to lynch scum, which is way better than any other case so far. The real question here is why aren't you voting VA yet


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On February 14 2015 15:56 Blazinghand wrote:
Fine, let's say that reason is crap, he still has a 30% chance to flip scum, and RNG has never failed me, even once. Vote him.


Right now, I'm interpreting this as him trying to justify a scumread, and then when I call him on it (particularly since I had the opposite read based on meta at that time) he backtracks and calls it crap. So this to me is scumlike.

Thoughts?

HtS has trouble reading BH's post where he explicitly admits to forging the read on VA from nothing. Continues to do so for next couple pages. Not sure this is mafia but to keep saying "I re-read twice and BH's filter twice" and not see what everyone else sees is a little strange. Maybe coming from a different viewpoint it really is confusing...

On February 15 2015 00:26 prplhz wrote:
does anybody know what's going on in this thread

Is this the first post from this player? If so, yuck.

On February 15 2015 00:32 Palmar wrote:
I am down for bluehunting prplhz btw.

On February 15 2015 00:43 Palmar wrote:
prplhz, who do you think are the blues? Also, how do you think we should go about identifying blues?

I am 100% serious here, I am going to try to figure out blue roles with you.

at first I was like "Palmar read the OP and is trying to bait people who haven't"

On February 15 2015 00:45 Palmar wrote:
oh wait, the blues are the mafia?

then I was like ".....really?"
On February 15 2015 00:49 Palmar wrote:
Like I had this entire thing ready where I was going to talk about how blues were more likely to be agreeable with things without actually pushing them, probably not at the forefront of any pushes and probably not going to be hyper active either and then I was gonna point out how exactly those same attributes apply to mafia and look really smart.

But I think prplhz actually outsmarted me. I must now commit sudoku.

now I think he's not lying and that prplhz actually caught him.

On February 15 2015 00:31 IAmRobik wrote:
I want to bury HtS, but I don't want to do so incorrectly. I just read what she writes and I'm flabbergasted that she is saying the shit she's saying.
1) As someone brought up, it was the fact that she wasn't getting anywhere with her 20 questions
2) she brings up shit that doesn't make logical sense...like what does me discussing the values of having "conversations" have to do with her playing the aforementioned 20 questions and then not giving thoughts on opinions on the people she's grilling? And what does MY version of playing the game have to do with HER version of playing the game (and why is that supposed to influence how I read her?)

These baffling questions are something I must find an answer to.

Agreeing with robik is the first sign of insanity, right? I've gotta see a doctor

On February 15 2015 04:07 Town Puppy wrote:
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On February 14 2015 16:08 Half the Sky wrote:
On February 14 2015 16:05 Fecalfeast wrote:
What is there to comment on? He thinks my posting is unnatural. There's nothing to refute or discuss on that point..

Now I'm slightly annoyed by how seriously you take everything...


This is generally how I play town. I've played with you before.

And Ritoky might have a point here. You don't seem comfortable here.

But even if you aren't comfortable with me, why not interact with the others?

OK so this is kind of a bizarre question to me. Two reasons why:

(1) It's so... buzzy. What does that question even mean? It sounds like she's just mentioning something off a mental checklist of things to talk about, almost. I'm calling it the checklist test.
(2) I felt like FF was "interacting with the others" which makes (1) even stranger.

Aww I like this puppy

On February 15 2015 04:54 rsoultin wrote:
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On February 15 2015 04:45 Town Puppy wrote:
On February 15 2015 04:22 rsoultin wrote:
Waffling on a player is interesting enough anyway, but when you're not interacting with anyone?

1. HtS is mafia because she claimed miller and they're unaware...maybe?
2. Claiming miller is a town move and you're going to claim miller. (Is this an official claim, or what? And if you're miller and going to claim, then it follows that millers are aware, so what's with the first post?)
3. You don't like this post by HtS because it's "strange."

What's your conclusion, Puppy, or do we have to wait for you to finish discussing it with yourself first?

It is interesting to be accused of waffling when I haven't given an opinion on whether HtS is mafia yet.

(1) Do you have an issue with this point?
(2) Of course it's not. I would be hard-cc'ing and trying to lynch her otherwise.
(3) I think I explained why it's strange, non? Care to comment on that instead?


I have an issue that you can't seem to make up your mind from post to post...or rather are making post after post without your read going anywhere. ^^ What's the point of that?

And lol xP you seem to be really stretching for that evaluation of her post. I find it strange that she accepts another player's judgment on FF's comfort level with the thread and gets into a "you're not comfortable" "yes I am" argument back and forth with FF, not any silliness you were posting about xP

please show me this back and forth argument please, I don't remember it.





from my reading I have these reads
rayn - scumlean
palmar - scumlean
LS- town
HtS - scum
puppydog- townlean/null
superbia - scumlean

If I missed any quotes let me know I'm pretty tilted about losing my last post


Where did the scumlean on superbia come from?

You think a scum palmar "gets caught" wanting to hunt for power roles. I think that is a bad read.

super has less than a page of filter and spends most of it talking about BH's RNG post when he claimed to have a scumread on rayn. When rayn asks about the scumread, super goes AWOL for 13 hours? scummy.

Ok, maybe palmar's not that bad, it still seems scummy to me. Almost like a cocky "you caught me but who cares?"


So you think superbias scumread of rayn was serious?

I think it was pointless. If he was joking, why would he say:
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On February 14 2015 18:49 Superbia wrote:
On February 14 2015 18:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia explain your scumread and stop talking about irrelevant shit.


You think HtS is scum?

and then
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On February 14 2015 18:55 Superbia wrote:
On February 14 2015 18:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 14 2015 18:49 Superbia wrote:
On February 14 2015 18:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia explain your scumread and stop talking about irrelevant shit.


You think HtS is scum?

No i don't i am obviously just talking shit....


What? It was all a joke or some shit?

if he was joking around ?


I don't think you can really compare ayns HTS thing to superbias rayn thing.

Rayn had given reasons and what not to why he thought HTS was scum so for him to back flip and say it was a joke would be weird.

I think it is totally possible superbias can make a joke read while call bullshit when he thinks someone else made a joke read
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