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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
February 16 2015 03:45 GMT
#1354
So look Eden/TP, liancourt clearly knew too much and was positioning himself to look too good. Why don't we kill him?
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
February 16 2015 03:47 GMT
#1359
On February 16 2015 12:46 Superbia wrote:
I'm still reading a little. I'll have my mafia team on paper before EoD.


OK. are you willing to consolidate to avoid lynching me or TP? There are AFK people who aren't gonna move their vote, and scum pretending to be AFK on my wagon.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
February 16 2015 03:48 GMT
#1361
On February 16 2015 12:47 Superbia wrote:
Can anyone point me to the liancourt thing? I feel like I might've read over it.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23768676
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
February 16 2015 03:49 GMT
#1366
On February 16 2015 12:34 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 12:23 Town Puppy wrote:
On February 16 2015 12:17 Breshke wrote:
TP why do you just shutdown BH's post about there being a possible 2 JK's. If you arn't up to date with the game why is it impossible for you to think if you are town BH could also be town.

I could understand this if you had been scum reading him beforehand but you haven't in fact you seemed to be happy to go along with his RNG lynch for a while so you couldn't have thought he was that scummy.

If BH had never claimed or had claimed a different role would you be scum reading him right now?

Because

(1) Two jailers is really weird from a design standpoint IMO. I've never seen or heard of it.
(2) Two jailers with the same name borders on bastard game. Read the flavor in the OP. the PRs are clearly individual characters. Why would there be flavor indicating the PRs are unique persons... In a game with multiple copies of one role?

This being a Blackadder game is significant in relation to that dynamic.

That's all I can say.


Like this is the host literally telling us that both TP/Eden and I are town. Anyone voting EITHER of us at the deadline is claiming scum.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
February 16 2015 03:50 GMT
#1367
On February 16 2015 12:49 Town Puppy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 12:45 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 16 2015 12:44 Town Puppy wrote:
Oh bull shit!

I was SO SURE
FUCK


You were only sure because you're not as good as I am. Damn I'm still like, super impressed with myself for figuring out you're also a JK. Everything in the game, including my OWN survival, was telling me to call you scum, but I'm just TOO TALENTED.

My claim never made sense from mafia. if you HADN'T figured it out that would've been a travesty.

##UNVOTE


My claim didn't make sense either, but you weren't smart enough. You're an infant, mentally, compared to me. Don't worry, I'll lead you out of the darkness, child.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
February 16 2015 03:52 GMT
#1372
So I get that people want to lynch LightningStrike, but I think the points we've about liancourt are pretty dang legit. The fact of the matter is, Eden/TP and I are BOTH JKs. To ANY townie this would basically look like "one is blue, one is red" and the only person who would know we're both town-aligned is scum. Liancourt was angling to look really good after the 2nd one of us flipped JK.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
February 16 2015 03:53 GMT
#1374
On February 16 2015 12:52 Town Puppy wrote:
We're not lynching LightningStrike. I understand why he's being scumread but trust me on this please. He is the inspiration for my smurf name.

I would be ok with liancourt maybe. But I really think rsoultin is mafia. Notice how as soon as I called her mafia and pointed out that she wasn't being as detail-oriented about my claim as she had been earlier, she immediately decides I'm town, gives a really vague handwavey answer as to why, votes BH and then afk's. rso as town is far more intellectually curious than to peace out like that, she's far more uncertain than to just flip on a dime, and like I said, she's more detail-oriented than she was in evaluating my claim.

I think rso is the best pick.

##VOTE: rsoultin

I will consolidate with BH and friends to avoid either of us being lynched though.


I'll take a look at rsoultin's filter and weigh in. This could be suspicious.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
February 16 2015 03:53 GMT
#1375
On February 16 2015 12:53 Town Puppy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 12:50 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 16 2015 12:49 Town Puppy wrote:
On February 16 2015 12:45 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 16 2015 12:44 Town Puppy wrote:
Oh bull shit!

I was SO SURE
FUCK


You were only sure because you're not as good as I am. Damn I'm still like, super impressed with myself for figuring out you're also a JK. Everything in the game, including my OWN survival, was telling me to call you scum, but I'm just TOO TALENTED.

My claim never made sense from mafia. if you HADN'T figured it out that would've been a travesty.

##UNVOTE


My claim didn't make sense either, but you weren't smart enough. You're an infant, mentally, compared to me. Don't worry, I'll lead you out of the darkness, child.

You were under pressure and folded way too fast son. It seemed pretty legit.

Although I will admit the breadcrumb was a mindfuck for me while I was working under the assumption you were scum


Your own inadequacies in understanding high-level players are clearly documented. Thanks
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
February 16 2015 03:56 GMT
#1379
On February 16 2015 12:55 LightningStrike wrote:
Also I did double check Superbia's thing about Percy Percy and I can confirm what he said about them being a pair is true. So we got 2 blues claimed Day 1 hopefully they roleblock Mafia.


ALSO THE HOST SAID THIS:

On February 16 2015 12:34 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 12:23 Town Puppy wrote:
On February 16 2015 12:17 Breshke wrote:
TP why do you just shutdown BH's post about there being a possible 2 JK's. If you arn't up to date with the game why is it impossible for you to think if you are town BH could also be town.

I could understand this if you had been scum reading him beforehand but you haven't in fact you seemed to be happy to go along with his RNG lynch for a while so you couldn't have thought he was that scummy.

If BH had never claimed or had claimed a different role would you be scum reading him right now?

Because

(1) Two jailers is really weird from a design standpoint IMO. I've never seen or heard of it.
(2) Two jailers with the same name borders on bastard game. Read the flavor in the OP. the PRs are clearly individual characters. Why would there be flavor indicating the PRs are unique persons... In a game with multiple copies of one role?

This being a Blackadder game is significant in relation to that dynamic.

That's all I can say.

When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
February 16 2015 03:57 GMT
#1382
TP/Eden, you're talking about this series of posts?

On February 16 2015 07:50 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 07:29 Alakaslam wrote:
What I see is BH could be anything; he is not dizzy now, he is the CHUPAZITRON himself and has bombed us with deep wifom

Deeeeeeeeeeeep bunkerbusting wifom

I would say losing an experienced JK in BH is worse than having scum BH one more day.


I agree with this. Also, way too many people just going oh, okay, when TP/Eden's play has been questionable all game, lol.

##unvote
##vote: TownPuppy

On February 16 2015 10:58 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 10:51 Town Puppy wrote:
My play is fine as town. If y'all weren't idiots we would be a lock to lynch scum today.

And I don't throw games as mafia. You saw me give up when I was caught. This isn't the same at all. After how detail-oriented you were about the hts miller thing I know you know this is different than Linux.


I can definitely see a difference, just as I can see a difference between your play this game and your town play from Horn. (Granted, I think you're trying to be less spammy, but it's like night and day.) What I don't understand is why you CCd immediately if you're actually the JK. If you know that you know that you know that BH is lying because you're the JK, then why not reserve that so that you can still use your abilities later? It's not a good play as town and I'm struggling to understand why you would do it now ><

Like, if it were me, I'd target him as JK and see if that effected the night kills, lol.
On February 16 2015 11:08 rsoultin wrote:
Nah, lian's right, if mafia's going to CC (or claim in the first place) it's probably the goon doing it. Bugger -_- I still think it's the wrong play by TP, but I can see him thinking it's right.

##unvote
##vote: Blazinghand


When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
February 16 2015 03:59 GMT
#1384
On February 16 2015 12:57 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 12:55 Town Puppy wrote:
Also pre-noming BH for Best Play if he flips mafia


Honestly this would be on Sent. I'm sure the mafia QT is quite livid right now. I also disagree with the intervention, but will save that for post-game.


Hey man, I'm not complaining! Sentinel made the decision to share that information with the thread and it would be irresponsible of us as townies not to use it as best we can. I'm very grateful. Scum are probably not pleased though since they lost 2 free mislynched lol
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
February 16 2015 04:02 GMT
#1389
Updated Vote Count

BH (5) - Half the Sky, riVayneAuthority, liancourt, rsoultin, KelsierSC, prplhz
liancourt (3) - Blazinghand, iamrobik, lightningstrike
Town Puppy (2) -, Alakaslam, ritoky
raynpelikoneet (2) - Palmar, Fecalfeast
lightningstrike (1): superbia
rsoultin (1) - Town puppy
Half the Sky (1) - raynpelikoneet


roughly speaking.

Half the Sky, VA, liancourt, rsoultin, KSC, prplhz, Slam, Ritoky a
re all currently voting for claimed blues who are as close to modconfirmed as we can get
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
February 16 2015 04:06 GMT
#1390
On February 16 2015 13:01 Town Puppy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 12:57 Blazinghand wrote:
TP/Eden, you're talking about this series of posts?

On February 16 2015 07:50 rsoultin wrote:
On February 16 2015 07:29 Alakaslam wrote:
What I see is BH could be anything; he is not dizzy now, he is the CHUPAZITRON himself and has bombed us with deep wifom

Deeeeeeeeeeeep bunkerbusting wifom

I would say losing an experienced JK in BH is worse than having scum BH one more day.


I agree with this. Also, way too many people just going oh, okay, when TP/Eden's play has been questionable all game, lol.

##unvote
##vote: TownPuppy

On February 16 2015 10:58 rsoultin wrote:
On February 16 2015 10:51 Town Puppy wrote:
My play is fine as town. If y'all weren't idiots we would be a lock to lynch scum today.

And I don't throw games as mafia. You saw me give up when I was caught. This isn't the same at all. After how detail-oriented you were about the hts miller thing I know you know this is different than Linux.


I can definitely see a difference, just as I can see a difference between your play this game and your town play from Horn. (Granted, I think you're trying to be less spammy, but it's like night and day.) What I don't understand is why you CCd immediately if you're actually the JK. If you know that you know that you know that BH is lying because you're the JK, then why not reserve that so that you can still use your abilities later? It's not a good play as town and I'm struggling to understand why you would do it now ><

Like, if it were me, I'd target him as JK and see if that effected the night kills, lol.
On February 16 2015 11:08 rsoultin wrote:
Nah, lian's right, if mafia's going to CC (or claim in the first place) it's probably the goon doing it. Bugger -_- I still think it's the wrong play by TP, but I can see him thinking it's right.

##unvote
##vote: Blazinghand



Yeah that's pretty much it, specifically the last two.


This to me looks suspicious in a vaguely similar way that liancourt's would. Again, scum would KNOW we're both JKs, right? So scum would want to seem hesitant and like, "oh, I'm voting BH but I could easily see that it's really TP" as a setup to vote you tomorrow. However, I consider that to be less of a scumtell than liancourt's maneuvering, which is "I think neither of thes epeople make sense as scum but I'll vote one of them anyways" which sets him up to look REALLY good after the double JK flip. like, REALLY good if he hadn't been caught.

I buy, however, rsoultin's confusion about your CC of me, just because s/he may not understand the POV of a blue. Worth looking into and pressuring, but I think the liancourt case is stronger.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
February 16 2015 04:07 GMT
#1391
On February 16 2015 13:01 Fecalfeast wrote:
I just saw ritoky's post about me being uninvested I'm here now and catching up I was really hungover I do plan on playing for reals, I'm not even playing 2 games anymore


FECALFEAST

whatever you do, don't vote me or Town Pupp (aka Eden). We are both basically modconfirmed town due to mod shennigans. However, this is last-minute which means that there's substantial wagons on both of us (not much on TP any more) and we need to not be lynched since we are PRs. liancourt is probably the wagon of choice here.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
February 16 2015 04:07 GMT
#1392
On February 16 2015 12:59 Superbia wrote:
It was sent who saved town. Not me. I simply investigated his out-of-nowhere post. I'm town for being town and providing you with the list of mafia (coming soon, promise!). Not for googling "Lord Percy Percy".

Oh, who am I kidding. I'm a fucking hero.


I appreciate this a lot. I just want to set aside a post to thank you for instigating and looking into this.

On February 16 2015 13:00 LightningStrike wrote:
Answering this question before going to bed. Breshke I know you didn't call him Mafia for Meta reason I said you read him as Mafia and I still think he is possible Mafia but looks a tiny bit better. It will most likely be clear after the flip.


thanks for casting a vote on a good wagon (liancourt) before going to bed. I owe you one.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
February 16 2015 04:10 GMT
#1398
Host:

On February 16 2015 12:34 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 12:23 Town Puppy wrote:
On February 16 2015 12:17 Breshke wrote:
TP why do you just shutdown BH's post about there being a possible 2 JK's. If you arn't up to date with the game why is it impossible for you to think if you are town BH could also be town.

I could understand this if you had been scum reading him beforehand but you haven't in fact you seemed to be happy to go along with his RNG lynch for a while so you couldn't have thought he was that scummy.

If BH had never claimed or had claimed a different role would you be scum reading him right now?

Because

(1) Two jailers is really weird from a design standpoint IMO. I've never seen or heard of it.
(2) Two jailers with the same name borders on bastard game. Read the flavor in the OP. the PRs are clearly individual characters. Why would there be flavor indicating the PRs are unique persons... In a game with multiple copies of one role?

This being a Blackadder game is significant in relation to that dynamic.

That's all I can say.


Then:

On February 16 2015 12:37 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 12:36 Town Puppy wrote:
On February 16 2015 12:34 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On February 16 2015 12:23 Town Puppy wrote:
On February 16 2015 12:17 Breshke wrote:
TP why do you just shutdown BH's post about there being a possible 2 JK's. If you arn't up to date with the game why is it impossible for you to think if you are town BH could also be town.

I could understand this if you had been scum reading him beforehand but you haven't in fact you seemed to be happy to go along with his RNG lynch for a while so you couldn't have thought he was that scummy.

If BH had never claimed or had claimed a different role would you be scum reading him right now?

Because

(1) Two jailers is really weird from a design standpoint IMO. I've never seen or heard of it.
(2) Two jailers with the same name borders on bastard game. Read the flavor in the OP. the PRs are clearly individual characters. Why would there be flavor indicating the PRs are unique persons... In a game with multiple copies of one role?

This being a Blackadder game is significant in relation to that dynamic.

That's all I can say.

...um.

Someone help. I'm out if my element with flavor and this sounds big


Lord Percy Percy (Tim McInnerny) is the name given to a pair of related characters. (wiki)

Yup.


Which means that Townpuppy and I are literally both JKs together!
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
February 16 2015 04:13 GMT
#1403
Updated Vote Count

BH (6) - Half the Sky, VayneAuthority, liancourt, rsoultin, KelsierSC, prplhz
liancourt (6) - Blazinghand, iamrobik, lightningstrike, FecalFeast, Ritoky, Breshke
Town Puppy (1) -, Alakasla
raynpelikoneet (1) - Palmar
lightningstrike (1): superbia
rsoultin (1) - Town puppy
Half the Sky (1) - raynpelikoneet

I'm fairly sure this is correct but not 100%. Also I'm pretty sure Im still getting lynche >:{


roughly speaking.

Half the Sky, VA, liancourt, rsoultin, KSC, prplhz, Slam,
are all currently voting for claimed blues who are as close to modconfirmed as we can get[/QUOTE]
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
February 16 2015 04:16 GMT
#1412
On February 16 2015 13:12 Town Puppy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 13:06 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 16 2015 13:01 Town Puppy wrote:
On February 16 2015 12:57 Blazinghand wrote:
TP/Eden, you're talking about this series of posts?

On February 16 2015 07:50 rsoultin wrote:
On February 16 2015 07:29 Alakaslam wrote:
What I see is BH could be anything; he is not dizzy now, he is the CHUPAZITRON himself and has bombed us with deep wifom

Deeeeeeeeeeeep bunkerbusting wifom

I would say losing an experienced JK in BH is worse than having scum BH one more day.


I agree with this. Also, way too many people just going oh, okay, when TP/Eden's play has been questionable all game, lol.

##unvote
##vote: TownPuppy

On February 16 2015 10:58 rsoultin wrote:
On February 16 2015 10:51 Town Puppy wrote:
My play is fine as town. If y'all weren't idiots we would be a lock to lynch scum today.

And I don't throw games as mafia. You saw me give up when I was caught. This isn't the same at all. After how detail-oriented you were about the hts miller thing I know you know this is different than Linux.


I can definitely see a difference, just as I can see a difference between your play this game and your town play from Horn. (Granted, I think you're trying to be less spammy, but it's like night and day.) What I don't understand is why you CCd immediately if you're actually the JK. If you know that you know that you know that BH is lying because you're the JK, then why not reserve that so that you can still use your abilities later? It's not a good play as town and I'm struggling to understand why you would do it now ><

Like, if it were me, I'd target him as JK and see if that effected the night kills, lol.
On February 16 2015 11:08 rsoultin wrote:
Nah, lian's right, if mafia's going to CC (or claim in the first place) it's probably the goon doing it. Bugger -_- I still think it's the wrong play by TP, but I can see him thinking it's right.

##unvote
##vote: Blazinghand



Yeah that's pretty much it, specifically the last two.


This to me looks suspicious in a vaguely similar way that liancourt's would. Again, scum would KNOW we're both JKs, right? So scum would want to seem hesitant and like, "oh, I'm voting BH but I could easily see that it's really TP" as a setup to vote you tomorrow. However, I consider that to be less of a scumtell than liancourt's maneuvering, which is "I think neither of thes epeople make sense as scum but I'll vote one of them anyways" which sets him up to look REALLY good after the double JK flip. like, REALLY good if he hadn't been caught.

I buy, however, rsoultin's confusion about your CC of me, just because s/he may not understand the POV of a blue. Worth looking into and pressuring, but I think the liancourt case is stronger.

I mean, flip side here, scum wouldn't know we're both JKs. They wouldn't know WHAT the fuck to do. NO ONE should know wtf to do. Given that, we have two different reactions:

(1) One person ostensibly tried to see both sides of the argument and ended up siding with both players at some point before settling in on me.
(2) The other person defaulted to the previous suspicion that person had on one of the two players and then abruptly switched to the other player after it became clear the initially-suspected player probably wasn't being lynched.

I think it's more likely that the mafia is (2) here. You don't actually get town credit from being right about both people being JK if you let them both get lynched. In fact, nothing about this situation gets you town credit unless you're the guy to figure out that both people are JK. (SHOUTS TO SUPERFRIEND, ALSO GET DUNKED I KNEW YOU WERE TOWN) What you do end up getting is a huge pile of shit during the day after the first flip, because you waffled on both and ended up on the guy who flipped JK. It's far better for mafia to just ride the wave toward whichever JK is getting lynched, then when they flip town riding the other one - and especially if, as in (2)'s case, the other one who ends up being "confirmed scum" is conveniently the one you already suspected.

No, rso is far more likely to be mafia out of the two in my view. As previously noted I will gladly vote either to save you, but our wagon should be rso.


I get what you're getting at with rso. I guess mafia could be confused and think one of us is a cop or a really confused/angry VT or something, but here's what mafia knows that we don't know: Mafia knows that out of the 2 of us, BOTH of us are not mafia. Also, SK wouldn't pull shit like this D1 so mafia can be reasonably sure we're both town. Would mafia know we're both JKs? maybe, maybe not. But the important thing here is mafia knows that the most probably thing to happen, and the thing that was definitely gonna happen until I told people not to lynch you after I flip, was that one of us flips, then the other, cause we're both town.

Now, let's say rsoultin is Mafia. She knows that you and I are both town, and we have both claimed JK. She has been voting you, but she COULD swap to me. Now, I'm the one getting lynched, not you. IF she stays on you, and I flip JK, what happens? Well, she looks good! She says, "wow guys, why didn't you listen to me, we should have lynched Eden/TP" and then lynches you tomorrow. As Mafia, rsoultin would have no real reason to swap to me, right?
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February 16 2015 04:18 GMT
#1417
Yeah i'm pretty sure there's at least one mafia on my wagon pretending to be afk and hoping that nobody else swaps. Maybe now that it's clear I won't be lynched we'll see them come out of the woodwork and try to salvage some towncred by not being lynching the JK?
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February 16 2015 04:18 GMT
#1418
On February 16 2015 13:18 Superbia wrote:
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On February 16 2015 13:15 Superbia wrote:
Can everyone read LS' filter and tell me how it looks if you consider a mafia knowing both BH/puppy as being town playing on the situation?



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