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On February 25 2015 21:04 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 21:01 Superbia wrote:
I wasn't really townreading prplhz when the wagon was on both him and LS. I felt too many townies were divided between the two wagon and I wasn't sure about either of them.
I paid too much respect to the opinions of people who put a lot of time into the game (including rso), and it really fucked up my d2 play (though my d1 play was quite shit as well). Next time I'm going to be adamant about my own opinion. Also, I'm going to pay more attention to rayn's reads if/after he's confirmed town. I'm not sure this is what you should be taking away really. It's good to listen to other people. Your problem would be (if I go by this paragraph alone) that you were putting faith in someone with a lot of posts and not correctly being suspicious of their motives. Listening to others is dandy, just make sure they're town first
The problem was mostly that I was listening to people because I thought they had put a lot of time into the game, even though I was disagreeing with what they were saying. I agree that listening and cooperating with people is key to the game, but that time put into the game is a wrong metric to follow (it was mostly guilt that I had put less time into the game than others, which led me to pursue my own reads less because I felt it would be unfair).
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On February 25 2015 21:05 rsoultin wrote:
super, you played well, no worries
i'm looking forward to playing with you when we're both town again ^^
Thanks, but I could have played better.  Always looking to improve for next game. 
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GGs everyone. WP town.
Get rekt scumteam.....especially you Ras-pew-tin hehe but seriously massive improved scumgame m'lady!
I'm sorry I was total shite this game.
GG WP Ritoky. I'm sorry (but not sorry) I tunnelled you all game.
Congrats again on getting married!
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On February 25 2015 21:07 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 21:01 rsoultin wrote:dude my choice night actions were kill bh rb ritoky ... lol >< /and/ I'd half-jokingly predicted i'd be shot before that sometimes being right just isn't as satisfying as you'd think yeah I looked at the mafia qt, some good moments in there. palmar calling lots of ppl shit, damdred's only contribution being a soul read on me (fk u damd), and ur calling your own death.
eh i'm always shot as town...one game I wasn't was the game I was mislynched in and that was just a turd of a game that I don't really want to get into. it might have been one of my better town games too lol I had 2/3rds of the scum team nailed by beginning of day 2...but hell if I could convince anyone of it ><
(also some super bad play from me, but I've never claimed to be a good town player)
which is just to say, I kinda expect to be shot on a regular basis, so an sk shooting me wasn't that nuts lol
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On February 25 2015 21:14 Half the Sky wrote:
GGs everyone. WP town.
Get rekt scumteam.....especially you Ras-pew-tin hehe but seriously massive improved scumgame m'lady!
I'm sorry I was total shite this game.
GG WP Ritoky. I'm sorry (but not sorry) I tunnelled you all game.
Congrats again on getting married!
lol xP don't be mean. i'm just trying to win, too ^^ and I hate scum so some inner part of me was like >> lololol when I was shot cause game so over then lol. slam though with that check. niiiiice
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I need to get people to sheep me more on my cases >.>
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On February 25 2015 21:07 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 21:04 marvellosity wrote:On February 25 2015 21:01 Superbia wrote:
I wasn't really townreading prplhz when the wagon was on both him and LS. I felt too many townies were divided between the two wagon and I wasn't sure about either of them.
I paid too much respect to the opinions of people who put a lot of time into the game (including rso), and it really fucked up my d2 play (though my d1 play was quite shit as well). Next time I'm going to be adamant about my own opinion. Also, I'm going to pay more attention to rayn's reads if/after he's confirmed town. I'm not sure this is what you should be taking away really. It's good to listen to other people. Your problem would be (if I go by this paragraph alone) that you were putting faith in someone with a lot of posts and not correctly being suspicious of their motives. Listening to others is dandy, just make sure they're town first The problem was mostly that I was listening to people because I thought they had put a lot of time into the game, even though I was disagreeing with what they were saying. I agree that listening and cooperating with people is key to the game, but that time put into the game is a wrong metric to follow (it was mostly guilt that I had put less time into the game than others, which led me to pursue my own reads less because I felt it would be unfair).
Some people try harder as town, some people try harder as mafia. People's investment in the game should not be alignment indicative unless they have a very distinct meta that someone who has played lots with them can elaborate on and give reasonable evidence for. Also as town, err on the side of suspicion.
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I do feel for scumteam on the flavour issue.
Admittedly I'd not have said anything.
Another question, honestly, why is it a bad reason to claim miller D1? I figured as long as I kept contributing and going about my normal town game it should have been fine right? That's actually what I was and I never have been miller.
I mean if I played on til D3 and Slam came out with "blue check hts lynch her now" I'm not sure what I would have done, probably gotten lynched for being terrible this game?
I am assuming Slam would have checked me anyways if I didn't claim but I don't know.
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On February 25 2015 21:14 Half the Sky wrote:
GGs everyone. WP town.
Get rekt scumteam.....especially you Ras-pew-tin hehe but seriously massive improved scumgame m'lady!
I'm sorry I was total shite this game.
GG WP Ritoky. I'm sorry (but not sorry) I tunnelled you all game.
Congrats again on getting married!
I mean, it was the right call...for a very bad reason initially, then a PoE reason. Right call, wrong reason; doesn't matter you still won
Like if that game had any uncertainty at the point where you shifted from "he's scum cuz extra info" to "oh...he can't be scum, guess he sk!" I think I coulda flipped it, but my chances at winning had passed me by at that point.
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it's not a bad thing to claim miller d1. always claim miller at the start of d1. there's no reason whatsoever not to.
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On February 25 2015 21:22 marvellosity wrote:
it's not a bad thing to claim miller d1. always claim miller at the start of d1. there's no reason whatsoever not to.
Only if you are the aware Millers.
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On February 25 2015 21:24 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 21:22 marvellosity wrote:
it's not a bad thing to claim miller d1. always claim miller at the start of d1. there's no reason whatsoever not to. Only if you are the aware Millers.
... yes, obviously LS, otherwise you wouldn't know
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On February 25 2015 21:18 Half the Sky wrote:
I do feel for scumteam on the flavour issue.
Admittedly I'd not have said anything.
Another question, honestly, why is it a bad reason to claim miller D1? I figured as long as I kept contributing and going about my normal town game it should have been fine right? That's actually what I was and I never have been miller.
I mean if I played on til D3 and Slam came out with "blue check hts lynch her now" I'm not sure what I would have done, probably gotten lynched for being terrible this game?
I am assuming Slam would have checked me anyways if I didn't claim but I don't know.
Claiming miller was fine? It's a scum-favored fake-claim, and if scum wants to fake-claim something like that they'll do it early. In a 17-p set-up it's even better for scum since it's reasonable there could be 2-3 millers (and there were 2).
But the main thing I was coming at you for was you saying it was because of marv lol. He CCd Eden in a 13-p set-up where the likelihood of more than one miller was practically nill. Had Eden been serious about the claim (and not bled town) he would have caught us our first scum.
The situations were entirely different, so you justifying the play in this game with Horn of Africa was objectively scummy, and woulda earned my attention if I were town I'm very detail-oriented.
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personally I do not understand the purpose of aware millers in a game. I really do not. It's just a free thing for town to claim lol ><
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like, if I had aware millers, i'd have a conditional scum vig who could only shoot millers, just to encourage them not to claim >> i'm evil like that
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like we had in Carol
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I loved that set-up lol it was hilarious, especially the 1 mason ^^
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Well I was right on prplhz d1.
Think rsoul was the best scum player that game.
Dunno about town. Ff played pretty well i think
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Shout out to FF. The curse is officially broken.
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On February 25 2015 21:18 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 21:07 Superbia wrote:On February 25 2015 21:04 marvellosity wrote:On February 25 2015 21:01 Superbia wrote:
I wasn't really townreading prplhz when the wagon was on both him and LS. I felt too many townies were divided between the two wagon and I wasn't sure about either of them.
I paid too much respect to the opinions of people who put a lot of time into the game (including rso), and it really fucked up my d2 play (though my d1 play was quite shit as well). Next time I'm going to be adamant about my own opinion. Also, I'm going to pay more attention to rayn's reads if/after he's confirmed town. I'm not sure this is what you should be taking away really. It's good to listen to other people. Your problem would be (if I go by this paragraph alone) that you were putting faith in someone with a lot of posts and not correctly being suspicious of their motives. Listening to others is dandy, just make sure they're town first The problem was mostly that I was listening to people because I thought they had put a lot of time into the game, even though I was disagreeing with what they were saying. I agree that listening and cooperating with people is key to the game, but that time put into the game is a wrong metric to follow (it was mostly guilt that I had put less time into the game than others, which led me to pursue my own reads less because I felt it would be unfair). Some people try harder as town, some people try harder as mafia. People's investment in the game should not be alignment indicative unless they have a very distinct meta that someone who has played lots with them can elaborate on and give reasonable evidence for. Also as town, err on the side of suspicion.
Absolutely. I know this as well, but for guilt-reasons I was unwilling to step on toes. Never again.
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